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2013-12-18 11:48:13 AM  
I for one think they deserve each other but I think the US deserves to have the right-wing vote split.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-18 11:49:06 AM  
Yes. Yes it is.
 
2013-12-18 11:53:41 AM  
Good. Now maybe the Democrats can move back towards the center.
 
2013-12-18 11:55:09 AM  

mrshowrules: I for one think they deserve each other but I think the US deserves to have the right-wing vote split.


We can split the right wing vote into the Libertarians and the Democrats and then get an actual left wing party. Today's Republicans should be hanging out in the political hinterlands with the 9/11 troofers and eco terrorists.
 
2013-12-18 12:07:23 PM  

mrshowrules: US deserves to have the right-wing vote split.


this.  The right needs to save the marriage or it will be a long time before they see the White House again.
 
2013-12-18 12:11:12 PM  
I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to prevent a civil war in the ranks.
 
2013-12-18 12:22:38 PM  
Sorry,GOP, but you are the baggers and they are you. You encouraged them,recruited them,funded them and gleefully cheered them as they derped from sea to shining sea to the detriment of the nation. You are one. You'll never be rid of them and you made it that way. They are your tramp stamp.
 
2013-12-18 12:27:35 PM  

Weaver95: I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to prevent a civil war in the ranks.


The assumption is the the traditional GOP are somehow the "smart ones" might pose a problem.

You have the insane/ignorant tea party versus the misguided mostly ignorant main-streamers.  When this is your brain trust, you are in trouble.

pixel.nymag.com
 
2013-12-18 12:39:31 PM  

mrshowrules: Weaver95: I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to prevent a civil war in the ranks.

The assumption is the the traditional GOP are somehow the "smart ones" might pose a problem.

You have the insane/ignorant tea party versus the misguided mostly ignorant main-streamers.  When this is your brain trust, you are in trouble.


I hear what you're saying but I think the GOP will choose to survive rather than tear themselves apart. They might be crazy but they worship money and power. A split now would cost them dearly AND give a hefty advantage to the democrats. Oddly enough Obama might be the one to keep the GOP from imploding...they rally around their hatred of the man and use that as a focus point.
 
2013-12-18 12:44:50 PM  
If you think the Tea Party's going to just quietly go away...no. I can see nutballs within their ranks deciding more and more that they actually  need to institute a "Second Amendment solution". I hope not though.
 
2013-12-18 12:45:17 PM  

Weaver95: mrshowrules: Weaver95: I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to prevent a civil war in the ranks.

The assumption is the the traditional GOP are somehow the "smart ones" might pose a problem.

You have the insane/ignorant tea party versus the misguided mostly ignorant main-streamers.  When this is your brain trust, you are in trouble.

I hear what you're saying but I think the GOP will choose to survive rather than tear themselves apart. They might be crazy but they worship money and power. A split now would cost them dearly AND give a hefty advantage to the democrats. Oddly enough Obama might be the one to keep the GOP from imploding...they rally around their hatred of the man and use that as a focus point.


Pretty brilliant DNC strategy (if it wasn't an accident).  Make the nucleus binding the GOP, Obama.  Then, remove Obama.
 
2013-12-18 12:51:44 PM  
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But really, when Paul Ryan is considered a RINO now, there's just no hope for the Tea Party.
 
2013-12-18 12:56:12 PM  

mrshowrules: Weaver95: mrshowrules: Weaver95: I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to prevent a civil war in the ranks.

The assumption is the the traditional GOP are somehow the "smart ones" might pose a problem.

You have the insane/ignorant tea party versus the misguided mostly ignorant main-streamers.  When this is your brain trust, you are in trouble.

I hear what you're saying but I think the GOP will choose to survive rather than tear themselves apart. They might be crazy but they worship money and power. A split now would cost them dearly AND give a hefty advantage to the democrats. Oddly enough Obama might be the one to keep the GOP from imploding...they rally around their hatred of the man and use that as a focus point.

Pretty brilliant DNC strategy (if it wasn't an accident).  Make the nucleus binding the GOP, Obama.  Then, remove Obama.


Hatred does seem to be what holds the republicans together. They hate Obama, fear women, despise gays and minorities. They have some farked up religious priorities as well. They can't seem to come up with any coherent plan for the future...but whatever it is they believe in you can bet they're dedicated to it, just as soon as they figure out what their core values are anyways.
 
2013-12-18 12:59:18 PM  

Weaver95: mrshowrules: Weaver95: mrshowrules: Weaver95: I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to prevent a civil war in the ranks.

The assumption is the the traditional GOP are somehow the "smart ones" might pose a problem.

You have the insane/ignorant tea party versus the misguided mostly ignorant main-streamers.  When this is your brain trust, you are in trouble.

I hear what you're saying but I think the GOP will choose to survive rather than tear themselves apart. They might be crazy but they worship money and power. A split now would cost them dearly AND give a hefty advantage to the democrats. Oddly enough Obama might be the one to keep the GOP from imploding...they rally around their hatred of the man and use that as a focus point.

Pretty brilliant DNC strategy (if it wasn't an accident).  Make the nucleus binding the GOP, Obama.  Then, remove Obama.

Hatred does seem to be what holds the republicans together. They hate Obama, fear women, despise gays and minorities. They have some farked up religious priorities as well. They can't seem to come up with any coherent plan for the future...but whatever it is they believe in you can bet they're dedicated to it, just as soon as they figure out what their core values are anyways.

"Ignorance leads to fear.  Fear to hate and hate leads to the dark side."

~Rand Paul

The GOP platform is ignorance and fear which is incompatible with the information age.
 
2013-12-18 01:11:52 PM  
Marraige?
 
2013-12-18 01:14:28 PM  
Say goodbye to the base.
 
2013-12-18 01:15:26 PM  

BMulligan: Marraige?


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-18 01:15:42 PM  

BMulligan: Marraige?


Yes. It is what bwings us togetha, today.
 
2013-12-18 01:16:23 PM  

Weaver95: I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to prevent a civil war in the ranks.


The civil war has already begun.  Boehner's recent smackdown was just the most recent desperate attempt to maintain party unity.  Democrats can function quite well with differing opinions.  The GOP requires absolute abject obedience to function.  They can't tolerate divisiveness in the ranks at all.
 
2013-12-18 01:16:26 PM  
Isn't the Democrats version of the Tea Party the American Dream Movement?
 
2013-12-18 01:17:06 PM  
GOP to Tea Party (while speed dialing hot blonde): No please stop, don't go. We can save this marraige

www.polichicksonline.com

I KNEW IT!!!
 
2013-12-18 01:17:13 PM  
Liberal - Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Conservative - Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

You have 3 addition obvious groups:
Further Left - Radical Liberals, which include socialists, communists, anarchists. They might be 10-15% of the country.
Further Right - Radical Conservatives, which include, tea party nuts and randists
The Middle - Centrists

If you split the groups into 5 equal parts of 20% each, you will always get 60% in the middle, center-left, center and center-right. Whoever wins The Middle will pretty much always win the general election. They have the numbers. Even in primaries, the candidate which is closer to the center tends to win. (look at gore, kerry, mccain and romney, all of them were centrists to some degree or another compared to their competition.

A third party? LOL
The far right would be too small, the far left would be too small, and these are the people who WANT a 3rd party, which would really be a 3rd and 4th party.

The only 3rd party that could work at all would be a centrist party (which is what the democrats have become - clinton and obama are both centrists or even slightly right of center.)
A centrist party could be from 40-60% of the voters, with 20 to 30% being on each side.
The centrist party would almost always win.

IF the GOP splits in two parts, they will always lose to the democrats. If the DEMS split, they will always lose to the GOP. Therefore, neither party will every split.

It would be interesting if center-right members left to become centrist-independents and caucused with the democrats. Shifting the majority further toward the center to center-left. The likelihood of the reverse happening is lower, that shift has already happened over the last 50 years with conservative dems switching to the GOP.

TL;DR
far right or far left 3rd parties will always lose in a general election
 
2013-12-18 01:18:31 PM  

Weaver95: I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to find enough money to prevent a civil war in the ranks.


FTFY.

The GOP will go however the money goes.
 
2013-12-18 01:18:45 PM  

Weaver95: Hatred does seem to be what holds the republicans together. They hate Obama, fear women, despise gays and minorities. They have some farked up religious priorities as well. They can't seem to come up with any coherent plan for the future...but whatever it is they believe in you can bet they're dedicated to it, just as soon as they figure out what their core values are anyways.


it is the definition of conservative, opposing change. anything other than white, male, hetero, religious is a threat to their norm.
 
2013-12-18 01:18:53 PM  
Wait a minute, I was told the tea-party is a bi-partisan collection of liberals AND conservatives, brought together to fight the injustice of record-low taxes.
 
2013-12-18 01:19:30 PM  
Dear Tea Party,

Please stop primarying us.

Thank you,

The Good Old Boys.
 
2013-12-18 01:21:08 PM  

pizen: BMulligan: Marraige?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x272]


SordidEuphemism: BMulligan: Marraige?

Yes. It is what bwings us togetha, today.


Did you ever know that you're my heroes?
 
2013-12-18 01:21:21 PM  
mailingitinpodcast.com
 
2013-12-18 01:21:22 PM  

Diogenes: GOP to Tea Party (while speed dialing hot blonde): No please stop, don't go. We can save this marraige

[www.polichicksonline.com image 379x302]

I KNEW IT!!!


subby said HOT blonde!
 
2013-12-18 01:22:11 PM  

Giltric: Dear Tea Party,

Please stop primarying us.

Thank you,

The Good Old Boys.


Funny thing is that the "good ol' boys" have forgotten more about good governance than the entirety of the tea-tards know....COLLECTIVELY!  They've got the collective governing skills of a railroad tie.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-12-18 01:22:40 PM  
The hot blonde... congressional page?
 
2013-12-18 01:23:28 PM  

ManateeGag: Diogenes: GOP to Tea Party (while speed dialing hot blonde): No please stop, don't go. We can save this marraige

[www.polichicksonline.com image 379x302]

I KNEW IT!!!

subby said HOT blonde!


Well, she's probably got hot flashes at the moment.
 
2013-12-18 01:23:40 PM  
Good.  I'd like to see the GOP and nutbaggers get into an all out frenzied kickboxing match.  Tear apart the last vestiges of the party, and leave nothing but a smoking crater to rebuild from.  Perhaps then the GOP will finally get it bashed through their skulls that the 'baggers never were a good idea, They coddled them, fed them, nurtured them, and they still ended up being the schizophrenic bi polar sociopaths they are, trying to knife the GOP in the 'nads all the while singing God Bless America.

Maybe someday I'll be able to call myself a Republican again.  I haven't for years now.  But I'm more afraid that the Overton window is going to keep sliding further right until I'll be mistaken for a socialist (using the actual definition please, not the 'bagger version) even though my ideals have not changed.*

*truthfully they have changed.  As in I grew older, and reformulated my views of how things should be.  In my teens I was pretty much a Democrat, then I became a Centrist.  I'm still really a right leaning centrist but they don't have a party called that.
 
m00
2013-12-18 01:24:00 PM  
Well, the problem is billionaires hijacked a legitimate movement and turned it into a brand-name of crazy. Now the actual "lets balance the budget, not waste money on foreign wars, don't spy on citizens, don't give corporate welfare" brigade -- the ones who started the tea party -- are fed up. Yes, they should leave and turn into a sensible party and leave the billionaires and their useful idiots and religious zealots to figure out how to win elections on their own.

What we really need to do is have a system that supports multiple parties (so a run-off mechanic similar to France). Then you can have:

Progressive Party
Moderate Party
Don't Spy on Me
Billionaire's Club
Jesus Time
 
2013-12-18 01:24:21 PM  

karnal: Isn't the Democrats version of the Tea Party the American Dream Movement?


what is that?
 
2013-12-18 01:24:53 PM  
Oh, please.  Authoritarians always fall in line.  Both sides will continue to be bad... so they'll vote Republican.
 
2013-12-18 01:25:45 PM  

m00: Well, the problem is billionaires hijacked a legitimate movement and turned it into a brand-name of crazy. Now the actual "lets balance the budget, not waste money on foreign wars, don't spy on citizens, don't give corporate welfare" brigade -- the ones who started the tea party -- are fed up. Yes, they should leave and turn into a sensible party and leave the billionaires and their useful idiots and religious zealots to figure out how to win elections on their own.

What we really need to do is have a system that supports multiple parties (so a run-off mechanic similar to France). Then you can have:

Progressive Party
Moderate Party
Don't Spy on Me
Billionaire's Club
Jesus Time


The Tea Party was always astroturfed.
 
2013-12-18 01:25:51 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: karnal: Isn't the Democrats version of the Tea Party the American Dream Movement?

what is that?


I was going to ask the same thing.
 
2013-12-18 01:25:59 PM  

Giltric: Dear Tea Party,

Please stop primarying us.

Thank you,

The Good Old Boys.

www.bluesbrotherscentral.com

 
2013-12-18 01:26:18 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: karnal: Isn't the Democrats version of the Tea Party the American Dream Movement?

what is that?


Probably something to do with Soros.
 
2013-12-18 01:26:58 PM  

what_now: mrshowrules: I for one think they deserve each other but I think the US deserves to have the right-wing vote split.

We can split the right wing vote into the Libertarians and the Democrats and then get an actual left wing party. Today's Republicans should be hanging out in the political hinterlands with the 9/11 troofers and eco terrorists.


There are plenty of libertarian Democrats - tons on Fark alone. If an actual LP wasn't crazypants objectivists, you may find that they siphon votes away from Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden-style Democrats.

I think we're safe in assuming they would be, but it's not a given.
 
2013-12-18 01:27:53 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: I'm still really a right leaning centrist but they don't have a party called that.


madisonncdemocraticparty.com
 
2013-12-18 01:28:48 PM  
FTFA: "Bad news for those who thought the Republican establishment and the tea party were going to live happily ever after."

So... bad news for straw men? Because I don't think anyone in the real world ever expected that to happen.
 
2013-12-18 01:29:09 PM  

Weaver95: mrshowrules: Weaver95: I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to prevent a civil war in the ranks.

The assumption is the the traditional GOP are somehow the "smart ones" might pose a problem.

You have the insane/ignorant tea party versus the misguided mostly ignorant main-streamers.  When this is your brain trust, you are in trouble.

I hear what you're saying but I think the GOP will choose to survive rather than tear themselves apart. They might be crazy but they worship money and power. A split now would cost them dearly AND give a hefty advantage to the democrats. Oddly enough Obama might be the one to keep the GOP from imploding...they rally around their hatred of the man and use that as a focus point.


Honestly, I think this particular thing is totally out of their control and I don't know what they could do to stabilize the party right now. They have people calling John Boehner a RINO because he agreeed to keep the government running at all. They've catered to extremism for so long that it's crippling the party's ability to function.

The inmates are running the asylum. The propaganda worked a lot better than they even realized it would.
 
2013-12-18 01:31:17 PM  

mrshowrules: Weaver95: mrshowrules: Weaver95: I would like nothing more than to watch the tea party destroy the republican party...but I think that the GOP leadership is going to smarten up and find some way to prevent a civil war in the ranks.

The assumption is the the traditional GOP are somehow the "smart ones" might pose a problem.

You have the insane/ignorant tea party versus the misguided mostly ignorant main-streamers.  When this is your brain trust, you are in trouble.

I hear what you're saying but I think the GOP will choose to survive rather than tear themselves apart. They might be crazy but they worship money and power. A split now would cost them dearly AND give a hefty advantage to the democrats. Oddly enough Obama might be the one to keep the GOP from imploding...they rally around their hatred of the man and use that as a focus point.

Pretty brilliant DNC strategy (if it wasn't an accident).  Make the nucleus binding the GOP, Obama.  Then, remove Obama.


It wasn't a strategy at all. Just plain old dumb luck.
 
m00
2013-12-18 01:31:21 PM  

meat0918: The Tea Party was always astroturfed.


No, it was legitimate from about 2005-2007. Got taken over and hijacked for the 2008 elections. Just money in politics.
 
2013-12-18 01:31:22 PM  
But I see there only two options:

A) Status Quo - The Tea Party keeps losing elections for the GOP by primaring GOP candidates that could win and refusing to vote for "RINO" candidates.
B) Revolt - The main GOP tells the Te Party to F off - this would make things worse in the short run but might actually make things better for the GOP in the long run by making a party that is more appealing to people across the US.

I think B is starting and B has to happen sooner or later. I think many old school GOPers realize it's not going to get better by itself.
 
2013-12-18 01:32:01 PM  

BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: I'm still really a right leaning centrist but they don't have a party called that.

[madisonncdemocraticparty.com image 400x356]


well NOW, sure.

in 1980 I was a Republican......
 
2013-12-18 01:32:04 PM  

Diogenes: Satan's Bunny Slippers: karnal: Isn't the Democrats version of the Tea Party the American Dream Movement?

what is that?

Probably something to do with Soros.


I'm sure you'll never hear about them in the Palace Guard LameSCREAM Media.  Seeing as how they're in the tank for Barry and all.
 
m00
2013-12-18 01:32:09 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: I'm still really a right leaning centrist but they don't have a party called that.


That's called Democrat.
 
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