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(Salon)   The New York Times needs to get over itself   (salon.com) divider line 32
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2013-12-18 11:53:01 AM
Yeah, that might happen.
 
2013-12-18 11:55:05 AM
That word storm probably means something, but I have no idea what.
 
2013-12-18 11:56:13 AM
www.harveymackay.com

They both suck.
 
2013-12-18 11:56:16 AM
"They say fiction has had its day, given over to Brooklyn-dwellers with nothing to say. True and not. Our newspapers provide splendid fiction. It is a golden age."

Speaking of getting over yourselves, this is an atrocious lead paragraph.
 
2013-12-18 11:58:56 AM
I did not realize the NYT had a redesign.
 
2013-12-18 11:59:16 AM
The author seems to have a hair up his ass about something to do with the NYT coverage of China, but after several paragraphs I found myself not giving a shirt what he had to say.
 
2013-12-18 11:59:52 AM
Says Salon.com without a hint of self reflection.
 
2013-12-18 12:00:35 PM
Pot, meet kettle.
 
2013-12-18 12:00:35 PM
Dear Salon,
You're boring. Stop being boring.
Sincerely,
CG67
 
2013-12-18 12:00:59 PM
At least they're not Salon
 
2013-12-18 12:02:03 PM
Salon is garbage
 
2013-12-18 12:02:34 PM

odinsposse: Says Salon.com without a hint of self reflection.


They can use the Jon Stewart defense.  "You're the New York Times.  We report on puppets making crank phone calls."
 
2013-12-18 12:07:22 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.harveymackay.com image 264x320]

They both suck.


Agree 100%.
 
2013-12-18 12:08:33 PM
Incoherent blogger has harsh words for corporation owned by the world's richest Mexican. Hey, I've got my own gripes. The crossword editors have literally been hocking lugies into my scrambled eggs recently. Schwartz is drooling at the tiller and that punk Steinberg needs to stick a cannon over his head and prance down the effing plank.
 
2013-12-18 12:09:23 PM
Isn't he heroic for writing that fluff piece?
 
2013-12-18 12:09:30 PM

Ambitwistor: odinsposse: Says Salon.com without a hint of self reflection.

They can use the Jon Stewart defense.  "You're the New York Times.  We report on puppets making crank phone calls."


I really hate this defense from Jon. Yeah, I understand that TDS is a comedy/satire show. However Jon Stewart clearly positions himself as a sort of authority on politics and many times uses that  to state very clear messages in regards to contemporary politics. But any criticism of this, and he brushes it of as "lol just joking". He wants it both ways, and no one calls him out on that.
 
2013-12-18 12:16:08 PM

Frank N Stein: Jon Stewart clearly positions himself as a sort of authority on politics


LOL, WUT?
 
2013-12-18 12:21:39 PM
The whole farking state needs to get over itself.
 
2013-12-18 12:23:43 PM

lockers: Frank N Stein: Jon Stewart clearly positions himself as a sort of authority on politics

LOL, WUT?


Are you seriously suggesting that he doesn't?
 
2013-12-18 12:36:55 PM
This guy is complaining that capitalist corporations, whose goal is to make money, play very nice with official news sources (government and industry especially) so that they can easily generate copy and gather information that comes with a high degree of trust from consumers, instead of spending lots of money being "antagonistic" and getting news the hard way from primary sources that they then have to convince their readers of.

In other words, he fundamentally misunderstands the system he is writing about.

"Are correspondents prisoners of the orthodoxies where their media live? Are you an American first and a professional only afterward?"

Wrong question.  It has nothing to do with American or nationality.  It really doesn't even have to do anything with economic systems either: the powerful always have influence over money, and can always shut people out of the loop if they want to.  This whole China thing?  That's how it works.  If they don't like what you have to print, why give you a press pass/visa/ticket to the event?

Increasingly, I find "professionalism" being an empty phrase.  There is no professionalism and no pride: it's taken over by pragmatics and balance sheets.
 
2013-12-18 12:39:45 PM

Frank N Stein: I really hate this defense from Jon. Yeah, I understand that TDS is a comedy/satire show. However Jon Stewart clearly positions himself as a sort of authority on politics and many times uses that to state very clear messages in regards to contemporary politics. But any criticism of this, and he brushes it of as "lol just joking". He wants it both ways, and no one calls him out on that.


It's not unique to him; that's been true of political satirists going all the way back to ancient Athens. The only way satire works is if you can speak truth to power and not worry about having your head cut off.
 
2013-12-18 12:41:47 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Frank N Stein: I really hate this defense from Jon. Yeah, I understand that TDS is a comedy/satire show. However Jon Stewart clearly positions himself as a sort of authority on politics and many times uses that to state very clear messages in regards to contemporary politics. But any criticism of this, and he brushes it of as "lol just joking". He wants it both ways, and no one calls him out on that.

It's not unique to him; that's been true of political satirists going all the way back to ancient Athens. The only way satire works is if you can speak truth to power and not worry about having your head cut off.


I suppose I can see it from that angle. I just think it's kind of weasely in my opinion.
 
2013-12-18 12:50:01 PM
How many foreign correspondents does Salon have in China? Because if none ever is the answer then shut up.
 
2013-12-18 12:56:10 PM

Frank N Stein: Ambitwistor: odinsposse: Says Salon.com without a hint of self reflection.

They can use the Jon Stewart defense.  "You're the New York Times.  We report on puppets making crank phone calls."

I really hate this defense from Jon. Yeah, I understand that TDS is a comedy/satire show. However Jon Stewart clearly positions himself as a sort of authority on politics and many times uses that  to state very clear messages in regards to contemporary politics. But any criticism of this, and he brushes it of as "lol just joking". He wants it both ways, and no one calls him out on that.


If Jon, tried to use that defense now I'd have a problem with it.  But he said that back in 2004, I think.

TDS has become a lot more overtly political and taking shots at actual policy rather than the political theater and media.  I do not enjoy the shift.
 
2013-12-18 01:05:13 PM
Pfft, TDS and TNYT can DIAF. Just sayin'.
 
2013-12-18 01:16:39 PM
If you're going to rag on the bloody New York Times, get a better writer to do it. Jesus that was poorly written. Rarely do my eyes just glaze over involuntarily while trying to read a point.
 
2013-12-18 01:36:46 PM

DrowningLessons: If you're going to rag on the bloody New York Times, get a better writer to do it. Jesus that was poorly written. Rarely do my eyes just glaze over involuntarily while trying to read a point.


I get the guy's point, and beyond that, I, too, agonize over the fact that the "fourth estate" is no more, but the writing was horrible.
 
2013-12-18 02:14:23 PM
Well, as the paper of record, it is nice of them to check that their records will agree with the records of those they're reporting about. Wouldn't want to be reporting something different than the government.
 
2013-12-18 02:42:30 PM
This article is whiny and up its own ass with needlessly verbose paragraphs.
 
2013-12-18 04:12:29 PM

archbishop: Frank N Stein: Ambitwistor: odinsposse: Says Salon.com without a hint of self reflection.

They can use the Jon Stewart defense.  "You're the New York Times.  We report on puppets making crank phone calls."

I really hate this defense from Jon. Yeah, I understand that TDS is a comedy/satire show. However Jon Stewart clearly positions himself as a sort of authority on politics and many times uses that  to state very clear messages in regards to contemporary politics. But any criticism of this, and he brushes it of as "lol just joking". He wants it both ways, and no one calls him out on that.

If Jon, tried to use that defense now I'd have a problem with it.  But he said that back in 2004, I think.

TDS has become a lot more overtly political and taking shots at actual policy rather than the political theater and media.  I do not enjoy the shift.


I rarely watch his show anymore since it became so preachy, but have seen clips much more recently than that where he invoked the defense against Jim Cramer (2009ish I think) and Bill O'Reilly (neither of whom I've watched since about the same time I had enough of TDS).
 
2013-12-18 05:18:33 PM
That article sounds like it could have been written by this guy...
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2013-12-18 08:14:54 PM
Well I'm sure glad they didn't reference the events of 80 years ago when Stalin was murdering Ukrainian peasants by the millions by confiscating all the food and locking it in silos with armed guards and the New York Times reporter opined, "You can't make an omelet without breaking some egg."  They'll always have some left wing dick balls deep in their mouth.  The only teeny bit of news is that someone is taking note of the fact.  Of course they also supported Obama who said everyone could keep their insurance so at least they're consistent in their asshattery.

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