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(Scientific American)   From the department of no shiat Sherlock, three states use 23% of US Electricity (but contain 26% of the US population)   (blogs.scientificamerican.com) divider line 68
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2013-12-18 01:00:54 PM
I think a more fair comparison would be based on each state's percentage of the GDP of the US GDP...
 
2013-12-18 01:04:37 PM
So, actually, instead of going "Look at those states and how much they USE!", it should be "Look, these states are actually doing a good job in throttling in energy usage".
 
2013-12-18 01:18:27 PM

EngineerBoy: I think a more fair comparison would be based on each state's percentage of the GDP of the US GDP...


Our GDP has its own GDP?  I'm not skilled enough in economics to know whether this is something I should blame on Obama or the Republicans...
 
2013-12-18 01:22:24 PM

EngineerBoy: I think a more fair comparison would be based on each state's percentage of the GDP of the US GDP...


Also if I did my math right, it's about 23%
 
2013-12-18 01:23:49 PM

serial_crusher: EngineerBoy: I think a more fair comparison would be based on each state's percentage of the GDP of the US GDP...

Our GDP has its own GDP?  I'm not skilled enough in economics to know whether this is something I should blame on Obama or the Republicans...


crap, and just now I noticed the typo in the headline of the article headline.  Internet, please commence shaming.
 
2013-12-18 01:24:41 PM
I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).
 
2013-12-18 01:31:16 PM

SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).


"more diverse" means you sometimes have to run heat during the winter?  Some percentage of heaters are gas based, but there are no gas powered air conditioners that I'm aware of.

According to the numbers in TFA, Texas consumes 10% of the energy while having 8% of the population, so which is not as high as I would have expected given the amount of AC we use.  I bet if you broke it down by month we'd be a lot lower on the list for January.
 
2013-12-18 01:41:24 PM

serial_crusher: SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).

"more diverse" means you sometimes have to run heat during the winter?  Some percentage of heaters are gas based, but there are no gas powered air conditioners that I'm aware of.

According to the numbers in TFA, Texas consumes 10% of the energy while having 8% of the population, so which is not as high as I would have expected given the amount of AC we use.  I bet if you broke it down by month we'd be a lot lower on the list for January.


Yeah, I thought of the AC situation after I posted. Still, CA has a lot of people living in a hot climate too.
 
2013-12-18 01:51:12 PM
Texas is number one because they attract electricity using industry via lax regulations.
 
2013-12-18 01:54:50 PM

dletter: So, actually, instead of going "Look at those states and how much they USE!", it should be "Look, these states are actually doing a good job in throttling in energy usage".


Exactly show a map of Heating Oil Usage, and it will be disproportionate to the Northeast.  This just in different climates require different energy needs.
 
2013-12-18 01:59:07 PM
I'm thinking air conditioners and server farms. Amirite?
 
2013-12-18 02:07:48 PM

SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).


You've clearly never spent a summer in Texas. (Especially Houston)
 
2013-12-18 02:08:06 PM
Relevant XKCD:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-12-18 02:23:45 PM

serial_crusher: SphericalTime:
"more diverse" means you sometimes have to run heat during the winter?  Some percentage of heaters are gas based, but there are no gas powered air conditioners that I'm aware of.


http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/gas-powered-air-conditioner.html

Guess they could be popular in off-the-grid areas?  Never knew they existed either.
 
2013-12-18 02:26:16 PM

SphericalTime: Yeah, I thought of the AC situation after I posted. Still, CA has a lot of people living in a hot climate too.


Compare the climates of Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco with those of Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio.

People don't live in the hot parts of California in huge numbers.
 
2013-12-18 02:26:19 PM
It seems that it shows CA users average 7000 kwh/yearly and TX users average 14000kwh/yearly. So... boo texas?
 
2013-12-18 02:27:25 PM

LoneDoggie: serial_crusher: SphericalTime:
"more diverse" means you sometimes have to run heat during the winter?  Some percentage of heaters are gas based, but there are no gas powered air conditioners that I'm aware of.

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/gas-powered-air-conditioner.html

Guess they could be popular in off-the-grid areas?  Never knew they existed either.


Yup, there's also gas/propane powered freezers and refrigerators too. Absorption refrigeration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator
 
2013-12-18 02:27:49 PM
So, according to subby, we're supposed to be outraged that twenty-SIX percent of the population is using twenty-THREE percent of the electricity?

Good for them. Now, let's get to electricity vs. population, you'll be sure to find out that Vegas uses more per capita than any other state.
 
2013-12-18 02:29:12 PM

SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).


California has aggressively pursued conservation. Texas doesn't give a shiat.
 
2013-12-18 02:32:23 PM

MrSteve007: LoneDoggie: serial_crusher: SphericalTime:
"more diverse" means you sometimes have to run heat during the winter?  Some percentage of heaters are gas based, but there are no gas powered air conditioners that I'm aware of.

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/gas-powered-air-conditioner.html

Guess they could be popular in off-the-grid areas?  Never knew they existed either.

Yup, there's also gas/propane powered freezers and refrigerators too. Absorption refrigeration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator



Pretty much every RV with a fridge has one that runs on 12v/110v/propane
 
2013-12-18 02:46:05 PM

SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).


You have obviously never experienced a Texas summer.
 
2013-12-18 02:55:24 PM

SphericalTime: Yeah, I thought of the AC situation after I posted. Still, CA has a lot of people living in a hot climate too.


But the percentage of people who live where it is very hot is lower than that percent in Texas. The Pacific Ocean also moderates the temperature more for CA than the gulf does for Texas.

MrSteve007: LoneDoggie: serial_crusher: SphericalTime:
"more diverse" means you sometimes have to run heat during the winter?  Some percentage of heaters are gas based, but there are no gas powered air conditioners that I'm aware of.

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/gas-powered-air-conditioner.html

Guess they could be popular in off-the-grid areas?  Never knew they existed either.

Yup, there's also gas/propane powered freezers and refrigerators too. Absorption refrigeration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator

But what is the cost efficiency of those versus using electricity? Mostly consumer type absorption chillers are used in RVs where they don't have access to electricity.

/I wrote Texass the first time and am still not sure if I should have fixed. :)
 
2013-12-18 03:00:12 PM
Florida: Air Conditioning
Texas: Air Conditioning
California: I don't know.....Hydroponics and boob jobs
 
2013-12-18 03:00:31 PM

deadsanta: It seems that it shows CA users average 7000 kwh/yearly and TX users average 14000kwh/yearly. So... boo texas?


Air Conditioning.

And the fact that CA's economy is more based around Computers (Running an entire company on 2 15A fuses), and office work whereas Texas has lots of messy dirty inefficient factories and oil extraction.

/Though seriously, A/C.  Even when it's 105 out and you really wish you had it, no one has it built into their homes.
 
2013-12-18 03:04:17 PM
Mikey1969: So, according to subby, we're supposed to be outraged that twenty-SIX percent of the population is using twenty-THREE percent of the electricity?

The linked article is trying to point out that 3 states use 23% of the electricity and doesn't mention population at all.

Turns out, those three states have 26% of the population, so there's no reason for outrage and the article is stupid.

// submitter
 
2013-12-18 03:05:12 PM

Hollie Maea: SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).

California has aggressively pursued conservation. Texas doesn't give a shiat.


That is something that I was speculating about.  I'm just not willing to spend enough time to actually find and crunch the numbers to see if there's actually something there.

/second level speculation: loss via transmission over power lines?
 
2013-12-18 03:05:32 PM
On the plus side for Texas they probably don't need to use a lot of electric lighting at night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So23SFwBVvI
 
2013-12-18 03:08:09 PM

serial_crusher: EngineerBoy: I think a more fair comparison would be based on each state's percentage of the GDP of the US GDP...

Our GDP has its own GDP?  I'm not skilled enough in economics to know whether this is something I should blame on Obama or the Republicans...


Blame it on Xzibit.
 
2013-12-18 03:10:14 PM

Gonz: SphericalTime: Yeah, I thought of the AC situation after I posted. Still, CA has a lot of people living in a hot climate too.

Compare the climates of Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco with those of Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio.

People don't live in the hot parts of California in huge numbers.


Well, they do, but temperatures in Texas can be hotter. Many other people in California live in climates colder than Texas, but I did say that California's climate was more diverse.
 
2013-12-18 03:15:35 PM

Hollie Maea: SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).

California has aggressively pursued conservation. Texas doesn't give a shiat.


A growing number of Texans are going solar.  Not because they're environmentally conscious, but because they want to be self-sufficient.  End result is about the same (until they have to start replacing batteries).
 
2013-12-18 03:19:01 PM

SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).


Well Texas does regularly go over 100 in the summer...
 
2013-12-18 03:25:29 PM
"...almost 10% was sold in Texas. An additional 7% and 6% were solar in California and Florida..."

Sold, solar; it's all the same.
 
2013-12-18 03:29:29 PM

dryknife: "...almost 10% was sold in Texas. An additional 7% and 6% were solar in California and Florida..."

Sold, solar; it's all the same.


yep

~~Algae to crude oil: Million-year natural process takes minutes in the lab
http://www.pnnl.gov/news/release.aspx?id=1029
~~Engineers have created a continuous chemical process that produces useful crude oil minutes after they pour in harvested algae - a verdant green paste with the consistency of pea soup.
 
2013-12-18 03:32:24 PM
To look at this another way:

California GDP ~= Canada
California usage = 259,538,038
Canada usage = 549,500,000

Texas GDP ~= South Korea
Texas usage = 365,104,131
South Korea = 455,100,000

Florida GDP ~= Saudi Arabia
Florida usage = 220,674,333
Saudi Arabia usage = 174,500,000
 
2013-12-18 03:37:05 PM

SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).


It's more diverse in that you're not basting in a steamer during the summer.
 
2013-12-18 03:44:25 PM

Jekylman: To look at this another way:

California GDP ~= Canada
California usage = 259,538,038
Canada usage = 549,500,000

Texas GDP ~= South Korea
Texas usage = 365,104,131
South Korea = 455,100,000

Florida GDP ~= Saudi Arabia
Florida usage = 220,674,333
Saudi Arabia usage = 174,500,000


What does GDP have to do with it?  Does California and Canada have the same mix of industry to compare the two?  Different industries use differing amounts of power to generate $1
 
2013-12-18 03:45:17 PM
It's a strange scale they used to isolate Texas as its own color too.  Why is 275,207 million kWH the magic number that opens up that particular range?  Is it because California uses 275,206 million kWH?

/ Why measure in "million kWH" instead of just gWH?
 
2013-12-18 03:47:57 PM

serial_crusher: It's a strange scale they used to isolate Texas as its own color too.  Why is 275,207 million kWH the magic number that opens up that particular range?  Is it because California uses 275,206 million kWH?

/ Why measure in "million kWH" instead of just gWH?


I think the author just really really wanted to point out that the most populous state that is brutally hot in the Summer uses a lot of energy.
 
2013-12-18 03:56:47 PM

SphericalTime: Well, they do, but temperatures in Texas can be hotter. Many other people in California live in climates colder than Texas, but I did say that California's climate was more diverse.


California has many more people in "stable" temperature areas that don't see the wild seasonal swings (the coast, the bay area) than Texas.

San Francisco's lowest monthly average low is 46 to highest monthly average high of 71.
Dallas' goes from 37 to 96.
 
2013-12-18 04:03:28 PM

Mikey1969: So, according to subby, we're supposed to be outraged that twenty-SIX percent of the population is using twenty-THREE percent of the electricity?

Good for them. Now, let's get to electricity vs. population, you'll be sure to find out that Vegas uses more per capita than any other state.


1. Keep working on your basic reasoning skills
2. Las Vegas is not a state. It is actually a city in the state of Nevada
 
2013-12-18 04:08:16 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: Mikey1969: So, according to subby, we're supposed to be outraged that twenty-SIX percent of the population is using twenty-THREE percent of the electricity?

Good for them. Now, let's get to electricity vs. population, you'll be sure to find out that Vegas uses more per capita than any other state.

1. Keep working on your basic reasoning skills
2. Las Vegas is not a state. It is actually a city in the state of Nevada


Yeah, but isn't Nevada basically Reno in the North, Vegas in the South and bupkis lots of Air Force bases in between?
 
2013-12-18 04:09:24 PM

SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).


Your big cost is usually AC, which Texas has more need of I would imagine.
 
2013-12-18 04:09:49 PM

SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).


You'll have to look up the actual climate statistics do to the comparison, as they're in different weather patterns. Cold air often flows down the east side of the Rockies in winter, even affecting Texas. Especially in the last ten years.
 
2013-12-18 04:13:22 PM

EWreckedSean: SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).

Your big cost is usually AC, which Texas has more need of I would imagine.


Not to mention larger floorplans (requiring more air conditioning) due to cheaper square footage in Texas.
 
2013-12-18 04:16:34 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: Mikey1969: So, according to subby, we're supposed to be outraged that twenty-SIX percent of the population is using twenty-THREE percent of the electricity?

Good for them. Now, let's get to electricity vs. population, you'll be sure to find out that Vegas uses more per capita than any other state.

1. Keep working on your basic reasoning skills
2. Las Vegas is not a state. It is actually a city in the state of Nevada


Las Vegas IS Nevada. Everything else in the state is blasted desert or shiatpoke towns. Reno has 220,000 people, and it's the only real city outside of the Vegas area. Most of the rest of the 2.5 million people are in the Vegas metropolitan area. Besides, I think you will find that las Vegas alone uses more electricity per capita than ANY state in the union. Nevada as well, for that matter.
 
2013-12-18 04:36:50 PM

meyerkev: deadsanta: It seems that it shows CA users average 7000 kwh/yearly and TX users average 14000kwh/yearly. So... boo texas?

Air Conditioning.

And the fact that CA's economy is more based around Computers (Running an entire company on 2 15A fuses), and office work whereas Texas has lots of messy dirty inefficient factories and oil extraction.

/Though seriously, A/C.  Even when it's 105 out and you really wish you had it, no one has it built into their homes.


Oil extraction equipment frequently runs off of natural gas or diesel, because running electrical lines to every oil/gas well would be moronic.

Texas does a lot of refining, however, which one imagines is an energy-intensive process.
 
2013-12-18 04:40:11 PM

Mikey1969: aintnuttintofarkwith: Mikey1969: So, according to subby, we're supposed to be outraged that twenty-SIX percent of the population is using twenty-THREE percent of the electricity?

Good for them. Now, let's get to electricity vs. population, you'll be sure to find out that Vegas uses more per capita than any other state.

1. Keep working on your basic reasoning skills
2. Las Vegas is not a state. It is actually a city in the state of Nevada

Las Vegas IS Nevada. Everything else in the state is blasted desert or shiatpoke towns. Reno has 220,000 people, and it's the only real city outside of the Vegas area. Most of the rest of the 2.5 million people are in the Vegas metropolitan area. Besides, I think you will find that las Vegas alone uses more electricity per capita than ANY state in the union. Nevada as well, for that matter.


Nope. Highest energy consumption per person = Wyoming, then Alaska, then Louisiana. Nevada per capita energy consumption is #40 on the list of States - making it one of the more efficient.

California is #47. New York is #51.

http://energy.gov/maps/2009-energy-consumption-person
 
2013-12-18 04:47:47 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Relevant XKCD:

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x542]


Beat me to the punch....
 
2013-12-18 05:01:57 PM

MugzyBrown: Jekylman: To look at this another way:

California GDP ~= Canada
California usage = 259,538,038
Canada usage = 549,500,000

Texas GDP ~= South Korea
Texas usage = 365,104,131
South Korea = 455,100,000

Florida GDP ~= Saudi Arabia
Florida usage = 220,674,333
Saudi Arabia usage = 174,500,000

What does GDP have to do with it?  Does California and Canada have the same mix of industry to compare the two?  Different industries use differing amounts of power to generate $1


That comes dangerously close to the definition of efficiency. Look at all those flabby Canadian electrons.
 
2013-12-18 05:56:23 PM

SphericalTime: I find it weird that Texas is at the top rather than California, seeing as how more people in CA and how the weather is more diverse ( which I would normally associate with higher rates of usage).


Texas's largest cities are pretty much universally hotter and colder than California's largest cities.

Average low (Dec-Feb):

San Francisco - 47
Los Angeles - 48
San Diego - 50
Houston - 45
San Antonio - 41
Dallas - 39

Average high (June-Aug):

San Francisco - 69
Los Angeles - 82
San Diego - 74
Houston - 93.2
San Antonio - 94
Dallas - 95

You might get colder temps in the California mountains and higher temps in the desert, but most people don't live there.  65% of Californians live in one of those three cities' metropolitan areas.
 
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