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2013-12-18 02:33:34 AM
good
fat smokers should have to pay more
 
2013-12-18 05:32:28 AM
" Borsos says even the extremely fit, such as Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III, would be considered overweight by wellness programs."

The extremely fit are overweight.

Do they weigh more than normal people? Then they're overweight.

Try exercising less, beefy.
 
2013-12-18 05:34:50 AM

sendtodave: " Borsos says even the extremely fit, such as Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III, would be considered overweight by wellness programs."


Funny thing is most people aren't NFL quarterbacks.

Typical person complaining about BMI:
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2013-12-18 05:36:44 AM

namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more


As long as fat asses are paying more, I don't think most smokers would mind paying more.

Where smokers get pissed is when Fatty McFatass gets charged ZERO extra even though they have diabetes, CHF, chronic knee/back/hip/whatever pain, and spends thousands of insurance dollars on medication/Dr's visits, and yet the company charges the smokers more.
 
GBB
2013-12-18 05:40:52 AM
A lot of emotion and not a lot of actual data.
Oh, this is FoxNews?
nevermind
 
2013-12-18 05:42:17 AM

GBB: A lot of emotion and not a lot of actual data.
Oh, this is FoxNews?
nevermind


Foxnews is not news. It's a fox, that pretends to be news, and rapes your children.

Not that any of the other networks are any better.
 
2013-12-18 05:45:00 AM
Tag must be for subby. Not only is the quote not from a government official, but the math is correct too.
 
2013-12-18 06:01:40 AM

YouSirAreAMaroon: Tag must be for subby. Not only is the quote not from a government official, but the math is correct too.


Seriously.  Couldn't submitter even read the next sentence?  Or are the mods trolling?
 
2013-12-18 06:05:49 AM
Doesn't matter, smoke em if you got em.
 
2013-12-18 06:17:09 AM

namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more


Fat smokers are cheaper on the long run. They require less of the expensive end of life care that will cost thousands of dollars a year in various pills and treatments.
 
2013-12-18 06:28:52 AM

Matthew McSlutbeast: namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more

As long as fat asses are paying more, I don't think most smokers would mind paying more.

Where smokers get pissed is when Fatty McFatass gets charged ZERO extra even though they have diabetes, CHF, chronic knee/back/hip/whatever pain, and spends thousands of insurance dollars on medication/Dr's visits, and yet the company charges the smokers more.


Don't forget all the second-hand-ugly they spread around like butter over too much bread.
 
2013-12-18 07:04:44 AM
Fox News
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2013-12-18 07:11:02 AM

namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more


Agreed. But the whole sebelius of ObamACAre spreads the costs over the entire paying public. So enjoy paying your portion of their higher health care costs, citizen.
 
2013-12-18 07:12:38 AM

namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more


Thats probably racist or soon will be
 
2013-12-18 07:29:19 AM
We have a wellness program where I work.  The trick is to lie like a dog, because they can't (yet) actually hold you liable if you don't happen to know your exact weight, cholesterol, body fat, or the genetic dispositions of extended relatives.
 
2013-12-18 07:31:23 AM

Ambitwistor: YouSirAreAMaroon: Tag must be for subby. Not only is the quote not from a government official, but the math is correct too.

Seriously.  Couldn't submitter even read the next sentence?  Or are the mods trolling?


Reading comprehension is hard, if all you ever go to is Fox News.
 
2013-12-18 07:34:21 AM
Roomate works for UPS. Her med insurance renewed, and she somehow got marked down as a smoker, even though she's never smoked. They upped her insurance by 200 bucks a month
 
2013-12-18 07:35:53 AM

sendtodave: " Borsos says even the extremely fit, such as Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III, would be considered overweight by wellness programs."

The extremely fit are overweight.

Do they weigh more than normal people? Then they're overweight.

Try exercising less, beefy.


Does anybody think Redskins Quarterback Robert Griffin III, whoever that is, will see the north side of 70 years old?  NFL guys are a pretty bad risk, health-insurance wise.

I ain't a medical talkin' person, but I remember when my brother got diagnosed with the 'beetus, the doctor told him to lose weight and he said, "What if I weighed 200 pounds at like 10 percent bodyfat?  The doctor told him that his pancreas doesn't care whether it's fat or muscle.  I suspect there are several organs that don't really care whether they're being taxed and crushed by a few hundred pounds of muscle or fat.

And, of course, the extremely fit are so rare they might as well be a rounding error in the actuarial tables.
 
2013-12-18 07:40:01 AM

DerAppie: namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more

Fat smokers are cheaper on the long run. They require less of the expensive end of life care that will cost thousands of dollars a year in various pills and treatments.


That expensive end of life care is paid by Medicare, us:(
 
2013-12-18 07:41:34 AM

MythDragon: Roomate works for UPS. Her med insurance renewed, and she somehow got marked down as a smoker, even though she's never smoked. They upped her insurance by 200 bucks a month


But if she walks past the smokers' break room, she could get all the illnesses that could accrue to smokers just from the second hand smoke.  If she didn't work for UPS and didn't walk past that break room, she wouldn't run that risk.  Thus, UPS is justified in penalizing her for her voluntary actions.

/Why yes, I have been studying the logic of blame-placing from Jay Carney.  How did you know?
 
2013-12-18 07:56:19 AM

DerAppie: namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more

Fat smokers are cheaper on the long run. They require less of the expensive end of life care that will cost thousands of dollars a year in various pills and treatments.


There have been studies done on this. Smokers have covered their added costs, and then some, for some time now. When you factor in the added taxes they pay, and reduced life spans (so they take less from stuff like SS, medicare, etc), coupled with the fact that in most cases they do not suffer from chronic expensive conditions, and while cancer is expensive, tends to take someone out relatively fast.

Obese people however tend to stick around much longer, with chronic expensive conditions such as diabetes which last decades.
 
2013-12-18 08:00:37 AM

YouSirAreAMaroon: Tag must be for subby. Not only is the quote not from a government official, but the math is correct too.


This.

Subby sounds tubby
 
2013-12-18 08:00:55 AM
As I sit here, at work, a guy who smokes a cig about every 15 minutes has gone through two bags of McDonald's god only knows what, has just eaten two oranges, and a couple of sandwiches. Can't wait to see what he pulls out next. Ok, now he is on orange #3.

/just a cup of coffee for me, so far this morning...
 
2013-12-18 08:02:13 AM
Same difference. Insurance for smokers cost more before Obamacare. Where I work the same penalties are in placed. Because it's the same Blue Cross insurance. Thanks Obama.

Glad I don't smoke.
Glad that birth control, health screenings forgo the co-pay now too.
 
6M
2013-12-18 08:02:23 AM
We have moved the conversation on ACA the wrong direction.  The goal should still be healthcare for everyone, not who gets gouged extra.  Single payer FTW.
 
2013-12-18 08:13:37 AM

reubendaley: namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more

Agreed. But the whole sebelius of ObamACAre spreads the costs over the entire paying public. So enjoy paying your portion of their higher health care costs, citizen.


Thanks for letting everyone know how you have no idea how insurance policies work.
 
2013-12-18 08:17:36 AM

MythDragon: Roomate works for UPS. Her med insurance renewed, and she somehow got marked down as a smoker, even though she's never smoked. They upped her insurance by 200 bucks a month


THANKS OBAMA
 
2013-12-18 08:19:52 AM

Matthew McSlutbeast: GBB: A lot of emotion and not a lot of actual data.
Oh, this is FoxNews?
nevermind

Foxnews is not news. It's a fox, that pretends to be news, and rapes your children.

Not that any of the other US networks are any better.


FTFY. BBC doesn't do too bad, and I've been impressed with Al Jazeera lately. It's nice to know that journalism does thrive somewhere, just not in the USA.
 
2013-12-18 08:20:59 AM

6M: We have moved the conversation on ACA the wrong direction.  The goal should still be healthcare for everyone, not who gets gouged extra.  Single payer FTW.


A few years ago I pushed for HR676 to expand Medicare for everyone. I couldn't believe the opposition I got. I had one woman telling me that people need to take responsibility and pay for their own care. I asked her if it was fair that some people couldn't get insurance through their employer like she does, and  she responded that she did not have health insurance. Now she can really live up to her promise by being responsible. Serves her right.
 
2013-12-18 08:22:22 AM

MythDragon: Roomate works for UPS. Her med insurance renewed, and she somehow got marked down as a smoker, even though she's never smoked. They upped her insurance by 200 bucks a month


My old health insurance split into three separate plans to choose from. When I received my new cards i noticed a typo: they had recorded that my birthmonth was 04 instead of 03. You'd think it would be an easy fix. Nope. No one in the insurance office will admit to the mistake. They could easily open my file folder and look at the photocopies they made of my passport and driver's license.

One idiot even asked if I was certain that my birthday was in March. She followed that up by stating that the office doesn't make mistakes.

Meanwhile, I can't pick up prescriptions without undergoing an arduous process of explaining the typo to the pharmacist, who is skeptical of my story, and having him or her call the insurance company with my photo I'd and insurance card in front of them. The pharmacist has to change my birthday in their computer because only one person at the insurance company can modify my record and she's never in the office and never returns my phone messages.

Insurance companies are dumb and think they're infallible. I'm dreading this afternoon - refilling my pain pills (original prescription was filled before Typogate) because I'm recovering poorly from abdominal surgery.
 
2013-12-18 08:23:45 AM

reubendaley: namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more

Agreed. But the whole sebelius of ObamACAre spreads the costs over the entire paying public. So enjoy paying your portion of their higher health care costs, citizen.


That's what insurance is, you moron. It spreads the cost of healthcare over a large number of people, called a risk pool. That's what it has always been. Nothing changes with the ACA aside from the risk pool getting larger.

Also, what did this article have to do with the ACA? As far as I could tell from the limited info given in the article, this was all insurance companies decisions and didn't have jack shiat to do with Obamacare.
 
2013-12-18 08:28:24 AM

TNel: reubendaley: namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more

Agreed. But the whole sebelius of ObamACAre spreads the costs over the entire paying public. So enjoy paying your portion of their higher health care costs, citizen.

Thanks for letting everyone know how you have no idea how insurance policies work.


Thanks for letting everyone know that you think the ACA is an insurance policy.
 
2013-12-18 08:34:00 AM

aevorea: MythDragon: Roomate works for UPS. Her med insurance renewed, and she somehow got marked down as a smoker, even though she's never smoked. They upped her insurance by 200 bucks a month

My old health insurance split into three separate plans to choose from. When I received my new cards i noticed a typo: they had recorded that my birthmonth was 04 instead of 03. You'd think it would be an easy fix. Nope. No one in the insurance office will admit to the mistake. They could easily open my file folder and look at the photocopies they made of my passport and driver's license.

One idiot even asked if I was certain that my birthday was in March. She followed that up by stating that the office doesn't make mistakes.

Meanwhile, I can't pick up prescriptions without undergoing an arduous process of explaining the typo to the pharmacist, who is skeptical of my story, and having him or her call the insurance company with my photo I'd and insurance card in front of them. The pharmacist has to change my birthday in their computer because only one person at the insurance company can modify my record and she's never in the office and never returns my phone messages.

Insurance companies are dumb and think they're infallible. I'm dreading this afternoon - refilling my pain pills (original prescription was filled before Typogate) because I'm recovering poorly from abdominal surgery.


And yet they would all be surprised if you walked through the front door and just started shooting.

How can someone say "We *don't* make mistakes" with a straight face? All those entry level, 9 dollar an hour data entry people are Borg or something?
 
2013-12-18 08:40:29 AM

clovercat: A few years ago I pushed for HR676 to expand Medicare for everyone. I couldn't believe the opposition I got. I had one woman telling me that people need to take responsibility and pay for their own care. I asked her if it was fair that some people couldn't get insurance through their employer like she does, and  she responded that she did not have health insurance. Now she can really live up to her promise by being responsible. Serves her right.


I started seriously looking at the health insurance stuff the other day, decided that dental would be great just for an example. I'd really like to have some dental insurance. So I went through a few steps, and got to this:

Because your income is equal to 97% of the poverty level, you will not be eligible for tax credits in the exchanges. Tax credits are only available to people who make between 100% and 400% of the poverty level.

At this time, your state has not decided to expand Medicaid.
Depending on your state's eligibility criteria, you or some members of your family may still be eligible for Medicaid. Contact your state's Medicaid office or exchange for more information.


Bitter? No, I'm not bitter or anything.

imageshack.com
 
2013-12-18 08:43:47 AM

Matthew McSlutbeast: namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more

As long as fat asses are paying more, I don't think most smokers would mind paying more.

Where smokers get pissed is when Fatty McFatass gets charged ZERO extra even though they have diabetes, CHF, chronic knee/back/hip/whatever pain, and spends thousands of insurance dollars on medication/Dr's visits, and yet the company charges the smokers more.


Smokers always have a choice not to smoke. That's the difference.
 
2013-12-18 08:44:23 AM

reubendaley: Thanks for letting everyone know that you think the ACA is an insurance policy.


When did I say it was? You think that since more people have to buy insurance that means everyone now has to pay for the unhealthy people..... which is exactly what insurance policies have always worked.
 
2013-12-18 08:46:34 AM

Ambitwistor: YouSirAreAMaroon: Tag must be for subby. Not only is the quote not from a government official, but the math is correct too.

Seriously.  Couldn't submitter even read the next sentence?  Or are the mods trolling?


They both know that many people would normally never read the article, and many more wont because it would mean clicking on Fox, so they can get away with their stupid lie and get a bunch of people in here to fight over what they perceive to be as a correct representation of the article.
 
2013-12-18 08:46:51 AM

jjwars1: Smokers always have a choice not to smoke. That's the difference.


Watch your step there, not all fat people are fat due to medical issues.
 
2013-12-18 08:47:34 AM

Ambitwistor: Or are the mods trolling?


There are no trolls on Fark.
 
2013-12-18 08:48:41 AM

cryinoutloud: clovercat: A few years ago I pushed for HR676 to expand Medicare for everyone. I couldn't believe the opposition I got. I had one woman telling me that people need to take responsibility and pay for their own care. I asked her if it was fair that some people couldn't get insurance through their employer like she does, and  she responded that she did not have health insurance. Now she can really live up to her promise by being responsible. Serves her right.

I started seriously looking at the health insurance stuff the other day, decided that dental would be great just for an example. I'd really like to have some dental insurance. So I went through a few steps, and got to this:

Because your income is equal to 97% of the poverty level, you will not be eligible for tax credits in the exchanges. Tax credits are only available to people who make between 100% and 400% of the poverty level.

At this time, your state has not decided to expand Medicaid.
Depending on your state's eligibility criteria, you or some members of your family may still be eligible for Medicaid. Contact your state's Medicaid office or exchange for more information.


Bitter? No, I'm not bitter or anything.

[imageshack.com image 780x419]


Thank your governor, or state legislature. The federal government was begging them to take federal money to cover you, but your state refused.

// Vote local
 
2013-12-18 08:49:27 AM
@cryingoutload

Go ahead and lie about your income. Claim you make 101% of the income of the poverty level and get some coverage for nearly free. We promise not to tell.

/I'm serious
 
2013-12-18 08:50:13 AM
BTW, did that "article" somehow slip past with no editing? It was an entire page of disjointed sentences. Have they ever heard of transitions? WTF?!?
 
2013-12-18 08:53:55 AM

LineNoise: DerAppie: namatad: good
fat smokers should have to pay more

Fat smokers are cheaper on the long run. They require less of the expensive end of life care that will cost thousands of dollars a year in various pills and treatments.

There have been studies done on this. Smokers have covered their added costs, and then some, for some time now. When you factor in the added taxes they pay, and reduced life spans (so they take less from stuff like SS, medicare, etc), coupled with the fact that in most cases they do not suffer from chronic expensive conditions, and while cancer is expensive, tends to take someone out relatively fast.

Obese people however tend to stick around much longer, with chronic expensive conditions such as diabetes which last decades.


Ah yes, but fat smokers have double helping of lethal circumstances. They get the Beetus and all the smoking illnesses. They'll live even shorter lives.
 
2013-12-18 08:57:14 AM

cryinoutloud: clovercat: A few years ago I pushed for HR676 to expand Medicare for everyone. I couldn't believe the opposition I got. I had one woman telling me that people need to take responsibility and pay for their own care. I asked her if it was fair that some people couldn't get insurance through their employer like she does, and  she responded that she did not have health insurance. Now she can really live up to her promise by being responsible. Serves her right.

I started seriously looking at the health insurance stuff the other day, decided that dental would be great just for an example. I'd really like to have some dental insurance. So I went through a few steps, and got to this:

Because your income is equal to 97% of the poverty level, you will not be eligible for tax credits in the exchanges. Tax credits are only available to people who make between 100% and 400% of the poverty level.

<b>At this time, your state has not decided to expand Medicaid.</b>
Depending on your state's eligibility criteria, you or some members of your family may still be eligible for Medicaid. Contact your state's Medicaid office or exchange for more information.


Bitter? No, I'm not bitter or anything.

[imageshack.com image 780x419]


What crappy state do you live in?  You don't have a problem with the ACA (Obamacare), you have a problem with a State Government.  The Federal Government offered states additional money under the ACA to cover you under Medicaid, but your state refused to do so.
 
2013-12-18 09:05:40 AM

KyngNothing: Thank your governor, or state legislature. The federal government was begging them to take federal money to cover you, but your state refused.
// Vote local


Oh yeah, I know. You notice I didn't say "thanks, Obama." My state actually passed a referendum where Obamacare would be not enforceable in this state. What they hoped to accomplish by bullshiat like that, I have no idea.
 
2013-12-18 09:06:47 AM
"be not" = not be. I'm not Yoda.
 
2013-12-18 09:20:30 AM

TNel: reubendaley: Thanks for letting everyone know that you think the ACA is an insurance policy.

When did I say it was? You think that since more people have to buy insurance that means everyone now has to pay for the unhealthy people..... which is exactly what insurance policies have always worked.


I'll go slow but you'll have to pay attention. SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII - you listen up too 'cause this will help clear things up for you. (Keep leading with the insults if that helps you feel better about yourself and your beliefs.)

The article was pretty much about how Obamacare is going to affect those people who didn't need to be forced to buy health care.

I made a reference to the ACA. The subtle point was that forcing everyone into the insurance pool is going to increase the cost of insurance across those people who currently have insurance. One reason, among many, is that some people who don't have insurance can't get it due to preexisting conditions. Some of those PECs are the result of behavioral choices of the individuals. If you think that the additional insureds will be as healthy as the existing pool, then go on thinking everything's hunky-dory. Everyone who will be paying will be paying more than before and it would not be so had our government not taken away our liberty to choose to be insured or not. If that fact disturbs your liberal sensibilities that's your problem.
 
2013-12-18 09:29:18 AM

cryinoutloud: Oh yeah, I know. You notice I didn't say "thanks, Obama." My state actually passed a referendum where Obamacare would be not enforceable in this state. What they hoped to accomplish by bullshiat like that, I have no idea.


The Federal Government is not constitutionally allowed to provide Medicare/Medicaid.  Healthcare isn't in the Constitution, so they cannot do it.  What they can do is provide funding for states to provide Medicare/Medicaid.

So, the Federal Government did the best it could, by offering money to assist people.  If states refuse, then the Federal Government has its hands tied.
 
2013-12-18 09:29:42 AM

shtychkn: cryinoutloud: clovercat: A few years ago I pushed for HR676 to expand Medicare for everyone. I couldn't believe the opposition I got. I had one woman telling me that people need to take responsibility and pay for their own care. I asked her if it was fair that some people couldn't get insurance through their employer like she does, and  she responded that she did not have health insurance. Now she can really live up to her promise by being responsible. Serves her right.

I started seriously looking at the health insurance stuff the other day, decided that dental would be great just for an example. I'd really like to have some dental insurance. So I went through a few steps, and got to this:

Because your income is equal to 97% of the poverty level, you will not be eligible for tax credits in the exchanges. Tax credits are only available to people who make between 100% and 400% of the poverty level.

<b>At this time, your state has not decided to expand Medicaid.</b>
Depending on your state's eligibility criteria, you or some members of your family may still be eligible for Medicaid. Contact your state's Medicaid office or exchange for more information.


Bitter? No, I'm not bitter or anything.

[imageshack.com image 780x419]

What crappy state do you live in?  You don't have a problem with the ACA (Obamacare), you have a problem with a State Government.  The Federal Government offered states additional money under the ACA to cover you under Medicaid, but your state refused to do so.


Worth repeating.  If ever there was proof that the GOP places partisanship above all else, this is it. "We can't take the free money to provide health care to the poors because that would be admitting that Obamacare has some redeeming qualities!"
 
2013-12-18 09:31:23 AM

cryinoutloud: I started seriously looking at the health insurance stuff the other day, decided that dental would be great just for an example. I'd really like to have some dental insurance. So I went through a few steps, and got to this:

Because your income is equal to 97% of the poverty level, you will not be eligible for tax credits in the exchanges. Tax credits are only available to people who make between 100% and 400% of the poverty level.

At this time, your state has not decided to expand Medicaid.
Depending on your state's eligibility criteria, you or some members of your family may still be eligible for Medicaid. Contact your state's Medicaid office or exchange for more information.

Bitter? No, I'm not bitter or anything.


You should give your teabagger governor or state legislator a call and thank him.
 
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