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(NPR)   Will humans hit the snooze button over and over again until it's rat pie for breakfast, lunch, and dinner?   (npr.org) divider line 63
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2013-12-17 05:07:04 PM
Rat Spam!
 
2013-12-17 05:21:02 PM
Jesus Christ WTF am I reading?
 
2013-12-17 05:46:26 PM

whidbey: Jesus Christ WTF am I reading?


what, you don't want any rat pie? i'll have yours then...mmmmm, rat pie
 
2013-12-17 05:58:17 PM

some_beer_drinker: whidbey: Jesus Christ WTF am I reading?

what, you don't want any rat pie? i'll have yours then...mmmmm, rat pie


Baked beans are off.
 
2013-12-17 05:59:55 PM
Rat pie is a delicacy. Wait until you have to eat mud pie.
 
2013-12-17 06:01:08 PM
Crap Rat meat is one of my favorite things ever.
 
2013-12-17 06:01:44 PM

make me some tea: Rat pie is a delicacy. Wait until you have to eat mud pie.


Still better than humble pie.
 
2013-12-17 06:14:45 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: make me some tea: Rat pie is a delicacy. Wait until you have to eat mud pie.

Still better than humble pie.


They had a few good songs. Though admittedly not as good as Small Faces.
 
2013-12-17 06:23:41 PM
Can't be worse than haggis.
 
2013-12-17 06:25:55 PM
I'll have a slice without so much rat in it.
 
2013-12-17 06:49:31 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: make me some tea: Rat pie is a delicacy. Wait until you have to eat mud pie.

Still better than humble pie.


Cream pies are the best.
 
2013-12-17 06:54:06 PM
www.quickmeme.com
 
2013-12-17 07:08:35 PM
emilycontois.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-17 07:08:37 PM

hardinparamedic: Mitch Taylor's Bro: make me some tea: Rat pie is a delicacy. Wait until you have to eat mud pie.

Still better than humble pie.

Cream pies are the best.


Do I get a point for the assist?

www.totalprosports.com
 
2013-12-17 07:10:55 PM
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-12-17 07:15:42 PM
It could have been Moose Turd pie
 
2013-12-17 07:18:07 PM
I hear it tastes like pumpkin pie.
 
2013-12-17 07:25:48 PM
And the moral of the story is humans can survive anything....as long as there's pie.
 
2013-12-17 07:30:23 PM
If rat tastes anything like squirrel, and squirrel is delicious if properly prepared, it should be OK. Not three meals a day OK, but 2-3 times a week.
 
2013-12-17 07:31:20 PM
John Spartan *and* CMOT Dibbler covered already?  don't mind me, i'll let myself out.
 
2013-12-17 07:32:46 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: [emilycontois.files.wordpress.com image 495x205]


DAMMIT!  *shakes tiny, impotent fist*

\good on ya
 
2013-12-17 07:36:40 PM
I'm stocking up on bottle caps now.
 
2013-12-17 07:37:08 PM
FTA: "If our future is to continuously degrade our planet, lose plant after plant, animal after animal, forgetting what we once enjoyed, adjusting to lesser circumstances, never shouting, "That's It!" - always making do, I wouldn't call that "success." "

I like Krulwich, but "success" in this circumstance is that human life was sustained.  Life doesn't care what he or any one else thinks is success.

All life seems to be "concerned" (I hate even using the word, since it implies a conscious choice) with is making sure the genes are passed on to a new generation, and that it is adapting to an ever changing environment.

And humans seem to be damn good at adapting.

//I'd still like to leave the planet less polluted and in better shape than this generation found it...
 
2013-12-17 07:40:39 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: [i41.tinypic.com image 500x500]


I see your implication and raise you some Hole Food

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We're okay as long as the ketchup supply holds out.
 
2013-12-17 07:41:14 PM

Mentalpatient87: I'm stocking up on bottle caps now.


I need to play that game again. It was awesome!
 
2013-12-17 07:42:16 PM
It's so hard to understand why these guys are tough to take seriously.

Mail?
thepatronsaintofsuperheroes.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-17 07:45:22 PM
So, it turns out the real history doesn't fit the liberal template originally laid out, so let's take the real story and twist it until it fits the liberal template again.
 
2013-12-17 07:46:57 PM
Rat meat and vegetables, recreational sex, and carving giant heads. Sounds like a balanced life. What's the problem?

/Off to microwave my frozen burrito. Mm-mm $0.69 dinner!
 
2013-12-17 07:48:50 PM
Skimmed the whole thing, didn't see any mention of them using trees to transport their massive stone idols. Seems like a significant omission.
 
2013-12-17 07:52:56 PM
I saw a show about this recently.  It was either Nova or something on The Smithsonian channel, I can't remember which.
 
2013-12-17 07:53:25 PM

aelat: Skimmed the whole thing, didn't see any mention of them using trees to transport their massive stone idols. Seems like a significant omission.


It's not an omission. The article is about an alternative hypothesis. Namely, that the rats that came with the Polynesians when they arrived ended up destroying the forests because they ate so many seeds and tree sprouts. The humans may have cut down some trees, but the rats prevented them from growing back.
 
2013-12-17 07:57:17 PM
Mmmmmm. Rat burgers.
Hey, has anyone actually eaten rat? What would it taste like?
I mean, if you needed a source of protein, rats breed fast and aren't picky eaters...
 
2013-12-17 07:58:23 PM

Richard C Stanford: Mmmmmm. Rat burgers.
Hey, has anyone actually eaten rat? What would it taste like?
I mean, if you needed a source of protein, rats breed fast and aren't picky eaters...


Well...we've all hotdogs.
 
2013-12-17 08:02:44 PM
As Jared Diamond tells it

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2013-12-17 08:03:44 PM
What about strawberry tart?
 
2013-12-17 08:07:23 PM

jonny_q: So, it turns out the real history doesn't fit the liberal template originally laid out, so let's take the real story and twist it until it fits the liberal template again.


Science isn't liberal or conservative.

The Politics tab is over there ---------------------------------------->
 
2013-12-17 08:12:58 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: [emilycontois.files.wordpress.com image 495x205]


Came for Demolition Man, leaving happy.
 
2013-12-17 08:19:45 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Richard C Stanford: Mmmmmm. Rat burgers.
Hey, has anyone actually eaten rat? What would it taste like?
I mean, if you needed a source of protein, rats breed fast and aren't picky eaters...

Well...we've all hotdogs.


speak for yourself I haven't hotdogs.
 
2013-12-17 08:25:46 PM

aelat: Skimmed the whole thing, didn't see any mention of them using trees to transport their massive stone idols. Seems like a significant omission.


New evidence suggests they didn't use trees at all to move the statues, but "walked" them with ropes.
 
2013-12-17 08:35:53 PM

no clever name here just move along: God Is My Co-Pirate: Richard C Stanford: Mmmmmm. Rat burgers.
Hey, has anyone actually eaten rat? What would it taste like?
I mean, if you needed a source of protein, rats breed fast and aren't picky eaters...

Well...we've all hotdogs.

speak for yourself I haven't hotdogs.


Oh you should. It's really the only way to experience them.

i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-12-17 08:39:29 PM

aelat: Skimmed the whole thing, didn't see any mention of them using trees to transport their massive stone idols. Seems like a significant omission.


That's because they didn't according to their theory.

They used ropes to stand the unfinished statues up and "walk" them into place where they then finished carving them.

Here's the Nova I saw.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2299677471/
 
2013-12-17 09:06:47 PM

2wolves: Rat Spam!


Sprat™
 
2013-12-17 09:14:44 PM

JonBuck: aelat: Skimmed the whole thing, didn't see any mention of them using trees to transport their massive stone idols. Seems like a significant omission.

It's not an omission. The article is about an alternative hypothesis. Namely, that the rats that came with the Polynesians when they arrived ended up destroying the forests because they ate so many seeds and tree sprouts. The humans may have cut down some trees, but the rats prevented them from growing back.


The Rapa Nui claim they walked the Moai, and not rolled them with trees.

Kinda like giant stone refrigerators.
 
2013-12-17 09:33:02 PM

JonBuck: aelat: Skimmed the whole thing, didn't see any mention of them using trees to transport their massive stone idols. Seems like a significant omission.

It's not an omission. The article is about an alternative hypothesis. Namely, that the rats that came with the Polynesians when they arrived ended up destroying the forests because they ate so many seeds and tree sprouts. The humans may have cut down some trees, but the rats prevented them from growing back.


That's fine, but to not even mention the use of logs in the movement of the moai strikes me as odd. The one docu (history channel, I think?) mentioned using wooden logs in one manner or another as the most likely explanation, especially given that environmental records indicate tree life died off around the same time the moai stopped being built.
 
2013-12-17 09:46:50 PM
The only problem I have with this is:

Let's say they DID realize the rats were causing the problem.

WTF were they supposed to do about it? They didn't have any cats, and I imagine trying to stomp them out by hand would be about as effective as the Cane Toad patrols in Australia are.
 
2013-12-17 09:49:17 PM

aelat: JonBuck: aelat: Skimmed the whole thing, didn't see any mention of them using trees to transport their massive stone idols. Seems like a significant omission.

It's not an omission. The article is about an alternative hypothesis. Namely, that the rats that came with the Polynesians when they arrived ended up destroying the forests because they ate so many seeds and tree sprouts. The humans may have cut down some trees, but the rats prevented them from growing back.

That's fine, but to not even mention the use of logs in the movement of the moai strikes me as odd. The one docu (history channel, I think?) mentioned using wooden logs in one manner or another as the most likely explanation, especially given that environmental records indicate tree life died off around the same time the moai stopped being built.


I think even if they "walked them" most of the way, a few logs would be very useful for standing them up.

For a delightfully dated read on the whole subject, take a look at Thor Hyerdahl's "Aku-Aku".  I read it a few months back, and a group of locals at Mr. Hyerdahl's request managed to make a Moai and hump another onto a platform using nothing but stone tools to start with back in the 1950's.  If I recall, they did use a few logs to help drag it about with ~100 people pulling on the ropes.  To get the Moai to stand up, they levered it up with ropes ever-so-slowly and wedged rocks under it to help balance it until it dropped into place.  It took more than a few days.

The rest of the book is just chock-a-block with interesting theories (like the Easter Islands might have had South American visitors who later got overrun by Polynesians coming from the other direction), to things that are totally colonialist/racist (Like the idea that those Pre-Incan South Americans were genuine red-headed Nordic types who were defeated by the uncultured brown hordes from Polynesia--literally wandering Europeans, and when they lost to the Polynesians, they became savages with no sophisticated culture).  Crazy shiat, but definitely some odd observations.  Even down to the fact that the traditional boats on Easter Island were reed rafts, because they didn't have any trees left.
 
2013-12-17 09:51:47 PM

Felgraf: The only problem I have with this is:

Let's say they DID realize the rats were causing the problem.

WTF were they supposed to do about it? They didn't have any cats, and I imagine trying to stomp them out by hand would be about as effective as the Cane Toad patrols in Australia are.


I'd think if rat meat was it for dinner, the humans would do a pretty good job keeping the numbers in check, unless the numbers of rats were so overwhelming by the time they started eating them they couldn't get them all.
 
2013-12-17 10:00:38 PM
But after the collapse you'll be able to get a hooker for just 3 rats.

/obscure?
 
2013-12-17 10:10:23 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It could have been Moose Turd pie


'S good, though!
 
2013-12-17 10:52:13 PM

gfid: I saw a show about this recently.  It was either Nova or something on The Smithsonian channel, I can't remember which.


I see that some people continue in the grand tradition of not giving a shiat if their posts are worth reading.

Most of mine, aren't either. Like this one. Anyone who read this has spent this time getting closer to death without getting closer to any worthwhile goal.
 
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