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2013-12-17 04:16:17 PM
This really pisses me off
 
2013-12-17 04:44:17 PM
One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.
 
2013-12-17 04:55:52 PM

sigdiamond2000: One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.


It's also fantastic that his defenders continue to cite that he was found, "Not guilty," without any idea of what he was found not guilty of or reading about the myriad rape cases that were never tried.
 
2013-12-17 05:13:27 PM
Point of Order!

I thought R Kelly was a character made up by South Park.
 
2013-12-17 05:13:48 PM
Great headline though.

/just sayin'
 
2013-12-17 05:17:18 PM

WebVoodoo: Great headline though.

/just sayin'


I have to agree.

+1
 
2013-12-17 05:42:22 PM
i remember jim when he was the drummer for the slugs.

/man i'm old
//r. kelly should be in prison
 
2013-12-17 05:46:53 PM
/whoops, i meant speed the plough. jesus, i am old.
//r. kelly should still be in prison.
 
2013-12-17 05:56:57 PM
TLDR. But I assume it did include some Doo Doo Butter?
content.ytmnd.com
 
2013-12-17 06:13:38 PM
Almost as stomach churning as reading a conversation between Jim DeRogatis and Jessica Hopper.
 
2013-12-17 06:49:39 PM

doyner: WebVoodoo: Great headline though.

/just sayin'

I have to agree.

+1


Late Contender for HOTY contest?
 
2013-12-17 06:52:38 PM

sigdiamond2000: Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is


www.theblaze.com
 
2013-12-17 06:52:58 PM
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2013-12-17 07:09:43 PM
Nice headline,  subby.  Very nice indeed.
 
2013-12-17 07:10:22 PM
I was listening to the radio this morning and they were talking about how Lady Gaga will be on The Voice tonight. I guess her new song is a duet with R. Kelly but Christina is singing with her instead. It's taken a loooong time, but I'm okay with his career imploding now. Hopefully his ass will finally land in jail where the sick fark belongs. That article is just disgusting.
 
2013-12-17 07:12:58 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: sigdiamond2000: One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.

It's also fantastic that his defenders continue to cite that he was found, "Not guilty," without any idea of what he was found not guilty of or reading about the myriad rape cases that were never tried settled.


Most of the girls didn't want to go through the humiliation of a public trial so they took out of court financial settlements to go away.  And the only reason he got off on the videotape charges was because the prosecutors couldn't get the girl in the video to testify, even though 14 other people testified it was her in the tape.

I think people tend to just forget about stuff like this after a while, unless people bring it up.  I mean, most people probably would have forgotten about Chris Brown's history by now if Rihanna hadn't kept going back to him.
 
2013-12-17 07:25:00 PM

rugman11: Bareefer Obonghit: sigdiamond2000: One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.

It's also fantastic that his defenders continue to cite that he was found, "Not guilty," without any idea of what he was found not guilty of or reading about the myriad rape cases that were never tried settled.

Most of the girls didn't want to go through the humiliation of a public trial so they took out of court financial settlements to go away.  And the only reason he got off on the videotape charges was because the prosecutors couldn't get the girl in the video to testify, even though 14 other people testified it was her in the tape.

I think people tend to just forget about stuff like this after a while, unless people bring it up.  I mean, most people probably would have forgotten about Chris Brown's history by now if Rihanna hadn't kept going back to him.


The girl did testify, she just testified that it wasn't her in the video and they couldn't prove it was her. It was just a coincidence that his label signed her to a recording contract right after the news of the tape broke.
 
2013-12-17 07:32:17 PM

sigdiamond2000: One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.


I've listened to that song way too much over the course of this year, and frankly, I'm just not hearing it.  A case could be made for it, I suppose, but like I said the last time a serious discussion came up over this song, you'd have to stretch the definition of some words almost to the point of parody.

On the scale of inflammatory pop songs, Blurred Lines is a hopeless lightweight - a jobber, to borrow a wrestling term.  It's certainly no F**k The Police or, perhaps more recently, Pumped Up Kicks ("Hey, you know what would be an excellent idea?  Let's take a WAY too cheerful song about a kid shooting at other kids and make it our first single!").
 
2013-12-17 07:32:22 PM

ongbok: rugman11: Bareefer Obonghit: sigdiamond2000: One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.

It's also fantastic that his defenders continue to cite that he was found, "Not guilty," without any idea of what he was found not guilty of or reading about the myriad rape cases that were never tried settled.

Most of the girls didn't want to go through the humiliation of a public trial so they took out of court financial settlements to go away.  And the only reason he got off on the videotape charges was because the prosecutors couldn't get the girl in the video to testify, even though 14 other people testified it was her in the tape.

I think people tend to just forget about stuff like this after a while, unless people bring it up.  I mean, most people probably would have forgotten about Chris Brown's history by now if Rihanna hadn't kept going back to him.

The girl did testify, she just testified that it wasn't her in the video and they couldn't prove it was her. It was just a coincidence that his label signed her to a recording contract right after the news of the tape broke.


She testified to the grand jury, but never during the actual trial.  According to the guy in TFA, she and her parents coincidentally spent six months vacationing the south of France during the trial.
 
2013-12-17 07:34:19 PM
Clever headline, subby, but no thanks.
 
2013-12-17 07:34:51 PM
sad

i hope the aryan nation decides to take him under their wing
 
2013-12-17 07:42:46 PM

FlashHarry: /whoops, i meant speed the plough. jesus, i am old.


Did you know that band is still around? I think they're trying to break the record for band with the most former members. It's got like 20.
 
2013-12-17 07:46:41 PM
Good country key.

/well played, smitty
 
2013-12-17 07:53:11 PM

Clutch2013: sigdiamond2000: One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.

I've listened to that song way too much over the course of this year, and frankly, I'm just not hearing it.  A case could be made for it, I suppose, but like I said the last time a serious discussion came up over this song, you'd have to stretch the definition of some words almost to the point of parody.

On the scale of inflammatory pop songs, Blurred Lines is a hopeless lightweight - a jobber, to borrow a wrestling term.  It's certainly no F**k The Police or, perhaps more recently, Pumped Up Kicks ("Hey, you know what would be an excellent idea?  Let's take a WAY too cheerful song about a kid shooting at other kids and make it our first single!").


jesus crisps, the song Blurred lines is not about date rape, is about farking beyond your means
 
2013-12-17 07:54:41 PM
by the way subs, awesome  headline
 
2013-12-17 07:55:14 PM
In this interview (which has been condensed significantly), DeRogatis speaks frankly and explicitly about the many disturbing charges against Kelly and says, ultimately, "The saddest fact I've learned is nobody matters less to our society than young black women.Nobody."

It's sad as hell, but it's hard to dispute this statement.
 
2013-12-17 07:57:13 PM

rugman11: ongbok: rugman11: Bareefer Obonghit: sigdiamond2000: One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.

It's also fantastic that his defenders continue to cite that he was found, "Not guilty," without any idea of what he was found not guilty of or reading about the myriad rape cases that were never tried settled.

Most of the girls didn't want to go through the humiliation of a public trial so they took out of court financial settlements to go away.  And the only reason he got off on the videotape charges was because the prosecutors couldn't get the girl in the video to testify, even though 14 other people testified it was her in the tape.

I think people tend to just forget about stuff like this after a while, unless people bring it up.  I mean, most people probably would have forgotten about Chris Brown's history by now if Rihanna hadn't kept going back to him.

The girl did testify, she just testified that it wasn't her in the video and they couldn't prove it was her. It was just a coincidence that his label signed her to a recording contract right after the news of the tape broke.

She testified to the grand jury, but never during the actual trial.  According to the guy in TFA, she and her parents coincidentally spent six months vacationing the south of France during the trial.


Isn't that where all lower middle class families vacation for 6 months at a time?
 
2013-12-17 08:01:07 PM
So when's the collaboration between R. Kelly and Ian Watkins dropping?
 
2013-12-17 08:12:04 PM
Dude was found not guilty. Get over it and move the fark on.
 
2013-12-17 08:16:41 PM

Bslim: Dude was found not guilty. Get over it and move the fark on.


Dude paid off his victims.

You sound like a guy who ogles middle school girls.
 
2013-12-17 08:18:44 PM

rugman11: I mean, most people probably would have forgotten about Chris Brown's history by now if Rihanna hadn't kept going back to him.


I think the fact that he continues to be a violent douche, and is constantly in trouble with the law because he can't control his temper, is not helping him any either.
 
2013-12-17 08:25:28 PM

freetomato: Bslim: Dude was found not guilty. Get over it and move the fark on.

Dude paid off his victims.

You sound like a guy who ogles middle school girls.


And you sound like a self righteous asshole.
 
2013-12-17 08:26:57 PM

freetomato: Bslim: Dude was found not guilty. Get over it and move the fark on.

Dude paid off his victims.

You sound like a guy who ogles middle school girls.


So did Kobe and every other rich person ever busted for sex crimes. You too probably, even if you didn't do anything. pay 'em off. it's always better than the alternative.
 
2013-12-17 08:27:53 PM

mialynneb: I was listening to the radio this morning and they were talking about how Lady Gaga will be on The Voice tonight. I guess her new song is a duet with R. Kelly but Christina is singing with her instead. It's taken a loooong time, but I'm okay with his career imploding now. Hopefully his ass will finally land in jail where the sick fark belongs. That article is just disgusting.


I would enjoy it is Lady Gaga got some shiat over this too. It's so trashy and nasty that she collaborated with a pedophile rapist.
 
2013-12-17 08:30:09 PM
sigdiamond2000:

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.


And don't even get me started on Louie Louie... probably the most inflamatory song known to man.   I'm pretty sure there's a line in there about feeding infants to Satan.
 
2013-12-17 08:32:32 PM

Bslim: freetomato: Bslim: Dude was found not guilty. Get over it and move the fark on.

Dude paid off his victims.

You sound like a guy who ogles middle school girls.

And you sound like a self righteous asshole.


Maybe so. I am sure if you have young daughters you'd let them hang out with him, right?
 
2013-12-17 08:36:08 PM

Bslim: Dude was found not guilty. Get over it and move the fark on.


Look everyone, the guy that didn't read the article or know anything about that case or the 23 others showed up! How've you been?
 
2013-12-17 08:38:26 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: This really pisses me off


Because jealousy?

Just wanted to stick it in and also say, "Good Job" to subby.
 
2013-12-17 08:42:12 PM
Anyone else and we would have the Molestation Matrix out.

And (I really hate to say this) Roman Polanski still lives in exile.
 
2013-12-17 08:44:42 PM

Bslim: Dude was found not guilty

of child pornography. Get over it and move the fark on  on with trying him for the many dozens of court documented allegations of rape.

FTFY
 
2013-12-17 08:47:04 PM
His career rehab is going swimmingly.. in piss.
 
2013-12-17 08:59:54 PM
I hate to be this way, but  most of the defenders of R. Kelly have been black folks who aren't willing to call him out. The excuses I've heard are "the white man's out to get him", "things are different on our side" and such. In other words, they're willing to ignore it and grasp at the most convenient excuse nearby.

DeRogatis gets it exactly right. Why isn't the music business willing to talk about him? He's made a lot of people a lot of money and that's hard to fight against. But there are so many performers over the years who've lost their careers to behavior like this - why does Kelly get a pass?
 
2013-12-17 09:04:09 PM

sigdiamond2000: One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.


I suppose you could look at it that way.  But, so is the Christmas carol "Baby It's Cold Outside" if you take into account when it was released.  Also, when the girl cuddleing teddy bears and faux masterbating with a foam finger whilst grinding a guy twice her age, is common place they are trying to get famous by shock value.

/I hate this world
 
2013-12-17 09:13:55 PM

sigdiamond2000: One of the saddest things about this story is that this has basically been common, public knowledge for years, and it took the story trending on Twitter for people to finally be outraged about it for some reason, as if they needed to be in on some cultural event in order for it to register with them.

It seems so weirdly arbitrary. I mean, people - fans of this guy - basically know that he raped a 14-year-old girl and pissed in her mouth, but it's become a funny joke somehow.

Then again, one of the most popular R&B songs of this year was about how awesome date rape is, so I guess the bar is pretty low.


So I posted this to Facebook today, because a friend sent it over to me, and I honestly didn't know 80% of that, despite being from Chicago. I don't know if it's because I was willingly blind to it, and just focused on the pissing thing, because it's honestly a weird tidbit about a celebrity's sex preferences. I think Dave Chapelle played a big part in conditioning that response, at least to people my age (30). The absurdity kind of masks the vileness of it.

I think one of the best points in that article is that a lot of people don't take R Kelly seriously, they just think, "oh man, this crazy man is just making silly songs about sex in the most ridiculous ways", so it's easier to not have to really examine him.

Regardless, after reading this, I'm pretty ashamed that I was so ambivalent about this for so long. The fact that this man makes his life almost entirely from singing about sex makes it extra creepy.

There's a decent response to it that adds another level to the story:

Implicit here is that you would never be one of Kelly's victims. You who are reading this are probably too smart to fall prey to some creepy guy hanging around a high school parking lot. Just like you didn't have a fame-hungry mother who allowed you to go to a notoriously womanizing middle-aged director's house for a topless photo shoot. These things wouldn't happen to you, so you stop paying attention. Until you can't help but pay attention, like Lena Dunham did yesterday as she read the interview and tweeted about it, addressing how complicit those of us are who have not been victims in perpetuating the idea that some people's lives are more valuable than others, and that some people are taken advantage of because they ask to be.
 
2013-12-17 09:15:08 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: This really pisses me off


Then you probably won't enjoy the streaming video.
 
2013-12-17 09:16:35 PM

Bslim: Dude was found not guilty. Get over it and move the fark on.


OJ Simpson too.
 
2013-12-17 09:30:51 PM

Girl Sailor: I hate to be this way, but  most of the defenders of R. Kelly have been black folks who aren't willing to call him out. The excuses I've heard are "the white man's out to get him", "things are different on our side" and such. In other words, they're willing to ignore it and grasp at the most convenient excuse nearby.

DeRogatis gets it exactly right. Why isn't the music business willing to talk about him? He's made a lot of people a lot of money and that's hard to fight against. But there are so many performers over the years who've lost their careers to behavior like this - why does Kelly get a pass?


Sean Penn cracked his wife's skull with a baseball bat, and it didn't affect his career much at all.  Violence against women isn't really a career-killer.
 
2013-12-17 09:33:13 PM
No, it's okay.
He made Thriller.
Thriller.
 
2013-12-17 09:34:15 PM
Just like Chris Brown, he gets a pass.
 
2013-12-17 09:37:46 PM

Car_Ramrod: how complicit those of us are who have not been victims in perpetuating the idea that some people's lives are more valuable than others, and that some people are taken advantage of because they ask to be.


Many people are complicit because they want to be complicit. The truth is that not everybody finds adult males having sex with teenage girls shocking nor do they think it should be illegal. But of course in the current climate they can't say that because they know that there is no realistic chance of having a fair-minded conversation. So they act out their disagreement with public policy in other ways--they pretend that they don't care or they make excuses for the behavior or they look the other way.

Implicit here is that you would never be one of Kelly's victims

Precisely. Because they do not see them as victims. And simply repeating "victim" multiple times in a sentence is not going to persuade such people that the girls are in fact victims.

I say this not because I agree with R. Kelly's behavior but it never ceases to astound me that people are so willing to invent wild explanations for people's behavior when there are simpler--if perhaps more troublesome--explanations. In this case you are not seeing much traction not because people do not know about the behavior but because a sizable percentage of people agree with it.
 
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