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(CBS News)   Blackhawk down, six U.S. troops die in Afghanistan after coming under attack by insurgents   (cbsnews.com) divider line 91
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2013-12-17 04:50:19 PM
Thanks, Obama
 
2013-12-17 04:51:19 PM

Man On Pink Corner: Thanks, Obama


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2013-12-17 04:51:29 PM

Man On Pink Corner: Thanks, Obama


But really, a leftist would've gotten us out of there by now.
 
2013-12-17 04:52:00 PM
A statement issued by the NATO international military coalition said the crash was under investigation and that there was no insurgent activity in the area.

Except for the insurgents that set upon them immediately after they landed, we mean.
 
2013-12-17 04:54:13 PM

ikanreed: Man On Pink Corner: Thanks, Obama

But really, a leftist would've gotten us out of there by now.


Unless he's more engaged in his golf game.
 
2013-12-17 04:54:43 PM
Karzai has also lashed out at the United States, accusing it of making threats.

Well, we better hurry up and leave so Mr. Karzai can have a BBQ with the nice, non-threatening Taliban.
 
2013-12-17 04:55:21 PM
Sad news.
 
2013-12-17 04:56:47 PM
Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?

I'm starting to get that "We've always been at war" vibe, because damn it, we've been doing something, somewhere, that would classify as a "war" if Congress wasn't so averse to actually declaring war, for damn near my entire life (born in 80);
 
2013-12-17 04:58:19 PM

SmackLT: A statement issued by the NATO international military coalition said the crash was under investigation and that there was no insurgent activity in the area.

Except for the insurgents that set upon them immediately after they landed, we mean.


Shush! It's always the insurgence fault, even when it's friendly fire.
 
2013-12-17 04:58:42 PM

Mart Laar's beard shaver: ikanreed: Man On Pink Corner: Thanks, Obama

But really, a leftist would've gotten us out of there by now.

Unless he's more engaged in his golf game.


He's on a secret Hodge to Medina. You know, to celebrate the Muslin holiday of Kreplach.
 
2013-12-17 04:59:14 PM
Thanks, Bush!
 
2013-12-17 05:00:21 PM
Thanks for defending my freedoms, in Afghanistan, which I'll never visit. Ever.
 
2013-12-17 05:02:32 PM

meat0918: Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?

I'm starting to get that "We've always been at war" vibe, because damn it, we've been doing something, somewhere, that would classify as a "war" if Congress wasn't so averse to actually declaring war, for damn near my entire life (born in 80);


There is a good reason for that feeling, but it isn't just our generation (also born in 80).  I think there have been about 2 years since the country was founded that it hasn't been involved in armed conflict either with its self or somebody else.
 
2013-12-17 05:02:51 PM

phillydrifter: Thanks for defending my freedoms, in Afghanistan, which I'll never visit. Ever.


It's quite lovely this time of never.
 
2013-12-17 05:03:34 PM
They should get hardcore Republicans to fly these helicopters! They NEVER do anything wrong!
 
2013-12-17 05:04:17 PM

thisisarepeat: I think there have been about 2 years since the country was founded that it hasn't been involved in armed conflict either with its self or somebody else


Blame the hardliners. Every now and then we get a President that keeps them at arm's length, but they would nuke the Middle East, Russia and China if they had their way.
 
2013-12-17 05:04:43 PM
I blame Clinton.
 
2013-12-17 05:06:58 PM
Nobody sais Afghanistan would be safe.
 
2013-12-17 05:07:28 PM
Dammit, the article doesn't say whether Legolas is okay!
 
2013-12-17 05:07:47 PM

Lord_Baull: I blame Clinton.


Thanks, Wilson!
 
2013-12-17 05:08:17 PM

kdawg7736: Nobody sais Afghanistan would be safe.


*said*
 
2013-12-17 05:09:50 PM

meat0918: Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?

I'm starting to get that "We've always been at war" vibe, because damn it, we've been doing something, somewhere, that would classify as a "war" if Congress wasn't so averse to actually declaring war, for damn near my entire life (born in 80);


Welcome to the world, partner. Apart from the big wars, we've been doing some kind of small-scale combat operations virtually every year since the Spanish-American war, mostly to stomp on murderous dictators and revolutionaries (pretty much the raison d'etre for the U.S. Marines). Benign (ish) global hegemon = less war for everybody.

For a little perspective, we lost a lot more than 100 guys a year in training accidents in the '80s. It's a professional military, and our job is to risk combat zones in order to protect the country and further its national priorities, mainly by imposing peace on shiatheads who don't like that answer. And if you don't think things in Afghanistan are far better than under the Taliban, you haven't been paying attention.

Key pull quote:

In 2002, the CIA estimated about 800,000 Afghan students enrolled in primary education, the vast majority of whom were boys. Today, there are over 8.2 million students enrolled in school, of whom almost 40% are girls.
 
2013-12-17 05:10:22 PM

kdawg7736: kdawg7736: Nobody sais Afghanistan would be safe.

*said*



Well, thank you for that, because otherwise nobody would be able to understand what you were saising.
 
2013-12-17 05:10:28 PM
Q: Hey, what do you call a group of dead insurgents?

A: A wedding party.
 
2013-12-17 05:12:07 PM
Thanks Whigs!
 
2013-12-17 05:12:26 PM

cgraves67: phillydrifter: Thanks for defending my freedoms, in Afghanistan, which I'll never visit. Ever.

It's quite lovely this time of never.


I'm semi curious about visiting, and there are areas you can go to that are relatively safe. There's even a couple of small western based companies that will act as guides, if you're into that sort of thing.

On the topic of Afghan culture, I just read "A Fort of Nine Towers" (coming of age memoir by a carpet maker/seller based in Kabul). While the various wars and subsequent struggles are a constant in the book, I highly recommend it if you would like to understand cultural elements of Afghanistan beyond what you see on the news, and generally just enjoy a good read.
 
2013-12-17 05:12:30 PM

mbillips: And if you don't think things in Afghanistan are far better than under the Taliban, you haven't been paying attention.

Key pull quote:

In 2002, the CIA estimated about 800,000 Afghan students enrolled in primary education, the vast majority of whom were boys. Today, there are over 8.2 million students enrolled in school, of whom almost 40% are girls.


Sounds like propaganda. It's one thing to encourage democracy in a country. Bombing the fark out of it to do it is quite another.
 
2013-12-17 05:19:07 PM
These are going to be some of the last soldiers to die in a bullshiat hobby war, what a shame. Keep farking that chicken Obama.
 
2013-12-17 05:19:20 PM

meat0918: Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?

I'm starting to get that "We've always been at war" vibe, because damn it, we've been doing something, somewhere, that would classify as a "war" if Congress wasn't so averse to actually declaring war, for damn near my entire life (born in 80);


Read your Max Boot.  America has ALWAYS been "at war" somewhere.  Whether it's spending a century driving the Indians out of America, the Barbary Coast, the opening of Japan and China (culminating at  Peking), a half century of random interventions in South/Central America, the entire Cold War, Vietnam, the "I'm bored and have a large military" phase of the 1990's, or the War in Terror, there's NEVER been a period where the US wasn't engaged or about to be engaged somewhere overseas.
 
2013-12-17 05:19:55 PM

meat0918: Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?
I'm starting to get that "We've always been at war" vibe, because damn it, we've been doing something, somewhere, that would classify as a "war" if Congress wasn't so averse to actually declaring war, for damn near my entire life (born in 80);


The United States is a martial country, founded through war and built through conquest.

It's not going to stop doing what got it started.
 
2013-12-17 05:20:20 PM

mbillips: meat0918: Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?

I'm starting to get that "We've always been at war" vibe, because damn it, we've been doing something, somewhere, that would classify as a "war" if Congress wasn't so averse to actually declaring war, for damn near my entire life (born in 80);

Welcome to the world, partner. Apart from the big wars, we've been doing some kind of small-scale combat operations virtually every year since the Spanish-American war, mostly to stomp on murderous dictators and revolutionaries (pretty much the raison d'etre for the U.S. Marines). Benign (ish) global hegemon = less war for everybody.

For a little perspective, we lost a lot more than 100 guys a year in training accidents in the '80s. It's a professional military, and our job is to risk combat zones in order to protect the country and further its national priorities, mainly by imposing peace on shiatheads who don't like that answer. And if you don't think things in Afghanistan are far better than under the Taliban, you haven't been paying attention.

Key pull quote:

In 2002, the CIA estimated about 800,000 Afghan students enrolled in primary education, the vast majority of whom were boys. Today, there are over 8.2 million students enrolled in school, of whom almost 40% are girls.


Thats nice.

We still have enough education problems here in the US, how about we fix those before we worry about Afghans.  And then, how about we still not worry about Afghans and fix other problems here.
 
2013-12-17 05:20:59 PM

whidbey: mbillips: And if you don't think things in Afghanistan are far better than under the Taliban, you haven't been paying attention.

Key pull quote:

In 2002, the CIA estimated about 800,000 Afghan students enrolled in primary education, the vast majority of whom were boys. Today, there are over 8.2 million students enrolled in school, of whom almost 40% are girls.

Sounds like propaganda. It's one thing to encourage democracy in a country. Bombing the fark out of it to do it is quite another.


You actually have to have some knowledge before you dismiss someone else's reporting. Hell, just read "The Kite Runner" and you'd know a little more about the situation. We haven't bombed the fark out of Afghanistan. There's a big difference between shooting Hellfires at small groups of bad guys who have been identified from the ground (sometimes mistakenly), and Arc Light. The Afghans are all for us blowing up the Taliban; they just get mad when we miss. One reason that drones firing missiles have become so ubiquitous in Afghanistan is that they're a lot less likely to kill nearby civilians than satellite-guided, 2,000-pound bombs dropped from aircraft, which we basically quit using because of civilian deaths.
 
2013-12-17 05:22:28 PM
Media is back to mentioning Afghanistan? They took almost 2 years off. The disillusion for Obama continues to grow.
 
2013-12-17 05:22:50 PM

mcreadyblue: SmackLT: A statement issued by the NATO international military coalition said the crash was under investigation and that there was no insurgent activity in the area.

Except for the insurgents that set upon them immediately after they landed, we mean.

Shush! It's always the insurgence fault, even when it's friendly fire.


It could totally have been a Taliban Blackhawk.
 
2013-12-17 05:24:26 PM

MyRandomName: Media is back to mentioning Afghanistan? They took almost 2 years off. The disillusion for Obama continues to grow.


Can we please go back to calling Bush and Cheney war criminals? Something reality based.
 
2013-12-17 05:25:21 PM

95629: mbillips: meat0918: Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?


We still have enough education problems here in the US, how about we fix those before we worry about Afghans.  And then, how about we still not worry about Afghans and fix other problems here.


Selfish person says what? Don't worry, we're helping the Afghans out of pure enlightened self-interest. That's where bin Laden was training his anti-American suicide bombers before 2001. Also (although we only recently learned this), Afghanistan has a shiat ton of natural resources, so it's in our interest for them to be a stable country where we can buy stuff.

As for American education problems, do those include girls being murdered for having the audacity to go to school?
 
2013-12-17 05:25:32 PM
I'm always interested in the language used in these press releases.
'Insurgents'- Or, as they'd be called if this was the same war the same people fought against the Russians, 'Patriots'........

Because, let's face it, it's the Americans who are the 'insurgents'.
Not that I support the Afghans, I just can't see any really valid reason why we in the west have troops there. In all the years of fighting, have we rendered the country into safe, uncorrupt, and democratic self rule? Have we defeated the Taliban? Deposed all the local warlords? Stopped or significantly reduced the growing of opium poppies and the export of heroin?
So far, despite all the deaths, the answer to all these questions seems to be no.

Oh. And 'troops'. A troop is multiple. A trooper is a member of a troop.
 
2013-12-17 05:26:04 PM

mbillips: Welcome to the world, partner. Apart from the big wars, we've been doing some kind of small-scale combat operations virtually every year since the Spanish-American war, mostly to stomp on murderous dictators and revolutionaries make profits for US conglomerates


FTFY.

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2013-12-17 05:26:47 PM

mbillips: meat0918: Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?

I'm starting to get that "We've always been at war" vibe, because damn it, we've been doing something, somewhere, that would classify as a "war" if Congress wasn't so averse to actually declaring war, for damn near my entire life (born in 80);

Welcome to the world, partner. Apart from the big wars, we've been doing some kind of small-scale combat operations virtually every year since the Spanish-American war, mostly to stomp on murderous dictators and revolutionaries (pretty much the raison d'etre for the U.S. Marines). Benign (ish) global hegemon = less war for everybody.

For a little perspective, we lost a lot more than 100 guys a year in training accidents in the '80s. It's a professional military, and our job is to risk combat zones in order to protect the country and further its national priorities, mainly by imposing peace on shiatheads who don't like that answer. And if you don't think things in Afghanistan are far better than under the Taliban, you haven't been paying attention.

Key pull quote:

In 2002, the CIA estimated about 800,000 Afghan students enrolled in primary education, the vast majority of whom were boys. Today, there are over 8.2 million students enrolled in school, of whom almost 40% are girls.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Afghanistan

So they'll soon have it as good as under the Soviet Union.
 
2013-12-17 05:28:57 PM

Headso: These are going to be some of the last soldiers to die in a bullshiat hobby war, what a shame. Keep farking that chicken Obama.


We must stay the course until we've won the war. Otherwise the sacrifices of our military over the past 10 years will be for nothing.
 
2013-12-17 05:29:57 PM

Radak: Thanks Whigs!


F*cking Tories.
 
2013-12-17 05:30:35 PM

mbillips: We haven't bombed the fark out of Afghanistan.


Oh please.

You actually have to have some knowledge before you dismiss someone else's reporting.

It's still propaganda. Deal with it. So you're pro-police action? Good I'm not.

The fact is that the US made the region much more unstable, and it continues to be a foreign policy failure despite the billions (trillions?) we've pumped into it.

Take your realpolitik somewhere else.
 
2013-12-17 05:34:57 PM
Just WOW.
This first started as "Helicopter Crash, 6 NATO soldiers confirmed dead"
Later it was "6 US Soldiers Dead in Helicopter Crash due to Engine Failure"
Now, it's "Helicopter shot down, 6 Confirmed US Deaths"
 
2013-12-17 05:36:04 PM

spawn73: mbillips: meat0918: Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?

I'm starting to get that "We've always been at war" vibe, because damn it, we've been doing something, somewhere, that would classify as a "war" if Congress wasn't so averse to actually declaring war, for damn near my entire life (born in 80);

Welcome to the world, partner. Apart from the big wars, we've been doing some kind of small-scale combat operations virtually every year since the Spanish-American war, mostly to stomp on murderous dictators and revolutionaries (pretty much the raison d'etre for the U.S. Marines). Benign (ish) global hegemon = less war for everybody.

For a little perspective, we lost a lot more than 100 guys a year in training accidents in the '80s. It's a professional military, and our job is to risk combat zones in order to protect the country and further its national priorities, mainly by imposing peace on shiatheads who don't like that answer. And if you don't think things in Afghanistan are far better than under the Taliban, you haven't been paying attention.

Key pull quote:

In 2002, the CIA estimated about 800,000 Afghan students enrolled in primary education, the vast majority of whom were boys. Today, there are over 8.2 million students enrolled in school, of whom almost 40% are girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Afghanistan

So they'll soon have it as good as under the Soviet Union.


Hey, don't downgrade your commie when it comes to education and healthcare. You may have a secret police listening for the first hint of sedition, and gulags stuffed to the gills with anyone who dares question the regime, but by God, everybody goes to school and has easy access to a doctor. Fidel Castro was smart enough to make that his top priority, and Cuba is much better off because of it.

If you ask me, living under a strict, puritanical theocracy is worse than living under communism. But there are better alternatives to both.
 
2013-12-17 05:37:23 PM

Molavian: Radak: Thanks Whigs!

F*cking Tories.


If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a loyalist... or an unlocked footlocker. Can't remember right now.
 
2013-12-17 05:38:13 PM

Mart Laar's beard shaver: ikanreed: Man On Pink Corner: Thanks, Obama

But really, a leftist would've gotten us out of there by now.

Unless he's more engaged in his golf game.


While reading a telepromter in all 57 states no doubt.
 
2013-12-17 05:40:27 PM
In my lifetime: The Cold War. Korea. Various " military actions" in the Caribbean. Nicaragua, Bay o' Pigs. Viet Nam (participated in that one). More assorted 'military conflicts" world wide.  Grenada ( yeah the one where we invaded a Caribbean Island). . More actions in places like Panama, Lebanon, a former Soviet State or two, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,  only ceiling cat knows how many "covert military actions", and now we are excited about prospects in Iran, Syria. and maybe "Best Korea".  I am sure a left a couple out, it is hard to keep track. So Yes, we are a tad addicted to killing foreigners and getting our kids killed too. Good times, good times.
 
2013-12-17 05:41:10 PM

ikanreed: Man On Pink Corner: Thanks, Obama

But really, a leftist would've gotten us out of there by now.


Like the Soviets.
 
2013-12-17 05:42:10 PM

whidbey: mbillips: We haven't bombed the fark out of Afghanistan.

Oh please.

You actually have to have some knowledge before you dismiss someone else's reporting.

It's still propaganda. Deal with it. So you're pro-police action? Good I'm not.

The fact is that the US made the region much more unstable, and it continues to be a foreign policy failure despite the billions (trillions?) we've pumped into it.

Take your realpolitik somewhere else.


The Middle East Institute isn't a propaganda organ. So what would have been better? Leave the Taliban alone; let them harbor Al Qaeda and provide a safe haven for terrorist training and planning, while continuing to ruin the lives of millions of people with their insane, twisted version of an Islamist utopia? I'm not defending the way the Bushies fought the war in Afghanistan; that was completely dicked up, and Iraq was a complete waste of blood and money (mostly Iraqi blood and money). But Afghanistan was about as just a just war as you can get. If we'd stayed there and focused on the job, we'd have been back home by @ 2006, and both we and they would be better off.
 
2013-12-17 05:43:10 PM

meat0918: Can we please wrap up operations there, and elsewhere?

I'm starting to get that "We've always been at war" vibe, because damn it, we've been doing something, somewhere, that would classify as a "war" if Congress wasn't so averse to actually declaring war, for damn near my entire life (born in 80);


A perpetual state of war is necessary to feed the military-industrial complex. Don't they have hippies where you live?
 
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