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(RealClear)   Indian diplomat arrested for paying her housekeeper less than minimum wage. India responds calmly. By removing security barriers around the US embassy and threatening to arrest homosexual Americans   (realclear.com ) divider line
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2013-12-17 02:56:34 PM  
Security barricades around the US embassy in Delhi have been removed

And what message is that supposed to convey exactly?
 
2013-12-17 03:05:33 PM  
than
 
2013-12-17 03:05:38 PM  
They're not really serious until they threaten to cut off tech support
 
2013-12-17 03:09:14 PM  

August11: than


this
 
2013-12-17 03:09:21 PM  
I love how they are all pissed because she got stripped searched, but do nothing to actually prevent gang rapes.

/cognitive dissonance much?
 
2013-12-17 03:18:11 PM  
The feds cavity searched her repeatedly.  That's what the Indians have a problem with (and rightfully so).
 
2013-12-17 03:19:50 PM  

Peki: I love how they are all pissed because she got stripped searched, but do nothing to actually prevent gang rapes.

/cognitive dissonance much?


The rapes are happening to low caste women.  This cavity search happened to a high ranking diplomat.

I know you probably don't know much about India's caste system, but trust me, this is a big deal.
 
2013-12-17 03:24:00 PM  
US officials say standard procedures were followed

So if you're arrested for underpaying your hired help, the Feds get to go fishing up your ass several times?

That makes perfect sense.

Carry on.
 
2013-12-17 03:27:56 PM  
Frankly they need to either get rid of the caste system, or abandon all this pretense about being a democracy.  If they allow a bombing to hit our embassy we should deport all of the Current Indians over here on work visas, and put a trade embargo in place to prevent US companies from using Indian labor.

They are already losing jobs to the farther east as china provides cheaper labor.  So we can always make them bleed money in retaliation.
 
2013-12-17 03:30:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: US officials say standard procedures were followed

So if you're arrested for underpaying your hired help, the Feds get to go fishing up your ass several times?

That makes perfect sense.

Carry on.


If you are arrested for anything and placed in jail, then, yes, you are going to be strip searched.
 
2013-12-17 03:31:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The feds cavity searched her repeatedly.  That's what the Indians have a problem with (and rightfully so).


While I'd like to hear about whether cavity searches were employed in this case, it should be noted that there is nothing precisely beyond the allegation from the arrested consular officer (she isn't a diplomat and does not have the same level of immunity that diplomats have) thus far that there actually were cavity searches.
 
2013-12-17 03:32:05 PM  

Noctusxx: Frankly they need to either get rid of the caste system, or abandon all this pretense about being a democracy.  If they allow a bombing to hit our embassy we should deport all of the Current Indians over here on work visas, and put a trade embargo in place to prevent US companies from using Indian labor.

They are already losing jobs to the farther east as china provides cheaper labor.  So we can always make them bleed money in retaliation.


First of all, this is a reaction to their diplomat, who was carrying a diplomatic passport, getting strip searched.  Repeatedly.

Second of all, the corporations running America will not stand idly by while all that cheap labor impacts their bonuses.

So try again.
 
2013-12-17 03:33:27 PM  

El_Perro: Marcus Aurelius: US officials say standard procedures were followed

So if you're arrested for underpaying your hired help, the Feds get to go fishing up your ass several times?

That makes perfect sense.

Carry on.

If you are arrested for anything and placed in jail, then, yes, you are going to be strip searched.


Repeatedly?

Land of the Free.  Home of the World's Highest Incarceration Rate.
 
2013-12-17 03:36:42 PM  
Marcus Aurelius:

Land of the Free.  Home of the World's Highest Incarceration Rate.

Per capita.
 
2013-12-17 03:37:57 PM  
If found guilty, Ms Khobragade faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements

The old "five years for making false statements while not even in a courtroom under oath" charge.  That's what Martha Stewart for jailed for.

Remember, do not talk to the Feds without your lawyer present.

That's free advice
 
2013-12-17 03:40:29 PM  

2wolves: Marcus Aurelius:

Land of the Free.  Home of the World's Highest Incarceration Rate.

Per capita.


Do you suppose China has more in total numbers?  Not sure anyone else could beat us in rate or totals.
 
2013-12-17 03:41:26 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If found guilty, Ms Khobragade faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements

The old "five years for making false statements while not even in a courtroom under oath" charge.  That's what Martha Stewart for jailed for.

Remember, do not talk to the Feds without your lawyer present.

That's free advice


5 years for making false statements on a VISA application.

Also, where are the stories she was strip searched coming from?
 
2013-12-17 03:48:09 PM  

James!: Marcus Aurelius: If found guilty, Ms Khobragade faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements

The old "five years for making false statements while not even in a courtroom under oath" charge.  That's what Martha Stewart for jailed for.

Remember, do not talk to the Feds without your lawyer present.

That's free advice

5 years for making false statements on a VISA application.

Also, where are the stories she was strip searched coming from?


US press is calling it "an alleged strip search".  The foreign press must be familiar with American prison procedures, because they left out the "alleged" part.
 
2013-12-17 03:50:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: James!: Marcus Aurelius: If found guilty, Ms Khobragade faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements

The old "five years for making false statements while not even in a courtroom under oath" charge.  That's what Martha Stewart for jailed for.

Remember, do not talk to the Feds without your lawyer present.

That's free advice

5 years for making false statements on a VISA application.

Also, where are the stories she was strip searched coming from?

US press is calling it "an alleged strip search".  The foreign press must be familiar with American prison procedures, because they left out the "alleged" part.


Where is the allegation coming from?
 
2013-12-17 03:51:05 PM  

James!: 5 years for making false statements on a VISA application.


She's facing 10 years for the Visa issue.  The false statement charges are just the Feds enjoying the dismantling of the Fifth Amendment.
 
2013-12-17 03:51:51 PM  

James!: Where is the allegation coming from?


Anyone that's ever been to Federal prison, apparently.  The Feds say it's SOP.
 
2013-12-17 03:52:20 PM  
Based on the article, she's not the wife of an Indian diplomat, but the actual diplomat herself. Not sure why TFA has a pic of some dude, but here's the deputy consular general in question:

static.ibnlive.in.com
 
2013-12-17 03:52:56 PM  
Well, at least her diplomatic immunity wasn't revoked.

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2013-12-17 03:53:57 PM  

timujin: Based on the article, she's not the wife of an Indian diplomat, but the actual diplomat herself. Not sure why TFA has a pic of some dude, but here's the deputy consular general in question:

[static.ibnlive.in.com image 630x420]


Based on that pic, I for one can see the good sense in strip searching her several times.
 
2013-12-17 03:54:22 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: James!: 5 years for making false statements on a VISA application.

She's facing 10 years for the Visa issue.  The false statement charges are just the Feds enjoying the dismantling of the Fifth Amendment.


No, it's 10 for the slave wages and 5 for the false VISA.
 
2013-12-17 03:55:45 PM  
If they start arresting gay men, Bollywood musicals are going to be a lot less fabulous.
 
2013-12-17 03:55:46 PM  

James!: Marcus Aurelius: James!: 5 years for making false statements on a VISA application.

She's facing 10 years for the Visa issue.  The false statement charges are just the Feds enjoying the dismantling of the Fifth Amendment.

No, it's 10 for the slave wages and 5 for the false VISA.


If we jailed everyone in America paying slave wages, every restaurant would close overnight.
 
2013-12-17 03:56:15 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: James!: Marcus Aurelius: If found guilty, Ms Khobragade faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements

The old "five years for making false statements while not even in a courtroom under oath" charge.  That's what Martha Stewart for jailed for.

Remember, do not talk to the Feds without your lawyer present.

That's free advice

5 years for making false statements on a VISA application.

Also, where are the stories she was strip searched coming from?

US press is calling it "an alleged strip search".  The foreign press must be familiar with American prison procedures, because they left out the "alleged" part.


You seem very interested in this. Why?
 
2013-12-17 03:56:24 PM  

timujin: Based on the article, she's not the wife of an Indian diplomat, but the actual diplomat herself. Not sure why TFA has a pic of some dude, but here's the deputy consular general in question:

[static.ibnlive.in.com image 630x420]


I'd strip search the hell out of her.
 
2013-12-17 03:57:03 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: James!: Where is the allegation coming from?

Anyone that's ever been to Federal prison, apparently.  The Feds say it's SOP.


There must be something better than "LOL Americans" to say she was strip searched.  Especially since that is the central beef.
 
2013-12-17 03:57:24 PM  

Sybarite: Security barricades around the US embassy in Delhi have been removed

And what message is that supposed to convey exactly?


That the Marine guards should be issued live ammo?

/Maybe they already are. I've never checked.
 
2013-12-17 03:58:08 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If found guilty, Ms Khobragade faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements

The old "five years for making false statements while not even in a courtroom under oath" charge.  That's what Martha Stewart for jailed for.

Remember, do not talk to the Feds without your lawyer present.

That's free advice


Shouldn't fox news get a life sentance then?
 
2013-12-17 03:59:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: James!: Marcus Aurelius: James!: 5 years for making false statements on a VISA application.

She's facing 10 years for the Visa issue.  The false statement charges are just the Feds enjoying the dismantling of the Fifth Amendment.

No, it's 10 for the slave wages and 5 for the false VISA.

If we jailed everyone in America paying slave wages, every restaurant would close overnight.


She paid the woman $3.13 and hour.  Minimum in NYC is $9.  On her VISA she stated she was paying the woman $4,500 a month.
 
2013-12-17 03:59:53 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The feds cavity searched her repeatedly.  That's what the Indians have a problem with (and rightfully so).


Maybe if she used Crest instead of that weird Hindu toothpaste, that wouldn't happen.
 
2013-12-17 04:00:12 PM  

timujin: Based on the article, she's not the wife of an Indian diplomat, but the actual diplomat herself. Not sure why TFA has a pic of some dude, but here's the deputy consular general in question:

[static.ibnlive.in.com image 630x420]


I'd hindu her.
 
2013-12-17 04:01:05 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Peki: I love how they are all pissed because she got stripped searched, but do nothing to actually prevent gang rapes.

/cognitive dissonance much?

The rapes are happening to low caste women.  This cavity search happened to a high ranking diplomat.

I know you probably don't know much about India's caste system, but trust me, this is a big deal.


Her housekeeper is an Indian national, and I'd put money on her being a low caste woman, and that such a scandal wouldn't be responded to with such extremes if she was stiffing a Latino housekeeper or anyone who doesn't fit in the social layers of Indian culture.
 
2013-12-17 04:01:25 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If we jailed everyone in America paying slave wages, every restaurant would close overnight.


Restaurants don't pay their employees <$600 a month in wages, and at least wait staff get tips.
 
2013-12-17 04:01:32 PM  
static1.wikia.nocookie.net
Oh no they ditn't
 
2013-12-17 04:01:41 PM  
We could start cancelling the work and/or educational visas for Indian nationals.
 
2013-12-17 04:02:29 PM  

change1211: Marcus Aurelius: James!: Marcus Aurelius: If found guilty, Ms Khobragade faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements

The old "five years for making false statements while not even in a courtroom under oath" charge.  That's what Martha Stewart for jailed for.

Remember, do not talk to the Feds without your lawyer present.

That's free advice

5 years for making false statements on a VISA application.

Also, where are the stories she was strip searched coming from?

US press is calling it "an alleged strip search".  The foreign press must be familiar with American prison procedures, because they left out the "alleged" part.

You seem very interested in this. Why?


Federal law enforcement's power has been growing steadily for decades, and typically goes unchecked.  No American dares complain without the weight of the whole government coming down on them.  This situation can still be calmed down, but something tells me it's going to get worse before it gets better.  Because the Feds don't feel they have to apologize to anyone for anything.  I love seeing these farkers get at least a little bit of comeuppance.
 
2013-12-17 04:02:31 PM  

RexTalionis: While I'd like to hear about whether cavity searches were employed in this case, it should be noted that there is nothing precisely beyond the allegation from the arrested consular officer (she isn't a diplomat and does not have the same level of immunity that diplomats have) thus far that there actually were cavity searches.


There are so many culturally biased claims in there! They certainly obscure any attempt to understand what the actual issues are.
 
2013-12-17 04:03:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: 2wolves: Marcus Aurelius:

Land of the Free.  Home of the World's Highest Incarceration Rate.

Per capita.

Do you suppose China has more in total numbers?  Not sure anyone else could beat us in rate or totals.



25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-17 04:03:50 PM  

Stan Lee's Ghost: We could start cancelling the work and/or educational visas for Indian nationals.


Let's kick all the Indians with an H1-B out of the country.  That would be awesome.
 
2013-12-17 04:04:14 PM  

2wolves: Marcus Aurelius:

Land of the Free.  Home of the World's Highest Incarceration Rate.

Per capita.


And total.  And virtually every other measure.
 
2013-12-17 04:04:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Federal law enforcement's power has been growing steadily for decades, and typically goes unchecked.  No American dares complain without the weight of the whole government coming down on them.  This situation can still be calmed down, but something tells me it's going to get worse before it gets better.  Because the Feds don't feel they have to apologize to anyone for anything.  I love seeing these farkers get at least a little bit of comeuppance.


Will you be terribly upset when it's revealed that they actually just helped a woman who was being paid slave wages and didn't strip search anybody?
 
2013-12-17 04:04:35 PM  

phaseolus: Marcus Aurelius: 2wolves: Marcus Aurelius:

Land of the Free.  Home of the World's Highest Incarceration Rate.

Per capita.

Do you suppose China has more in total numbers?  Not sure anyone else could beat us in rate or totals.


[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]


God damn it so much.
 
2013-12-17 04:04:39 PM  

Stan Lee's Ghost: We could start cancelling the work and/or educational visas for Indian nationals.


Imokaywiththis.jpg

At least for the work visas. The H1B system is seriously farking with wages for US workers.
 
2013-12-17 04:05:17 PM  
The moves come after India's deputy consul general in the US, Devyani Khobragade, was arrested in New York last week while dropping her children off at school.

i usually say dropping the kids off at the pool but that's a polite way to put it.
 
2013-12-17 04:07:10 PM  

buzzcut73: Stan Lee's Ghost: We could start cancelling the work and/or educational visas for Indian nationals.

Imokaywiththis.jpg

At least for the work visas. The H1B system is seriously farking with wages for US workers.


You know what else would fark with wages for US workers? If they cancelled the H1B system. Suddenly corporations that base their entire engineering/IT/R&D budgets on cheap renewable indian labor would begin to fail. No I think we need to protect the job creators in this instance - not enough STEM capable Americans to backfill.
 
2013-12-17 04:07:44 PM  
Ooops forgot to say;

go fark yourself India, & fark you lady, I know you can afford it, pay your help and obey the laws.
 
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