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(Globe and Mail)   A guide to buying video game consoles for Christmas that aren't PS4s or Xbox Ones. In other words, you're going to give a gift that makes Christmas suck for anyone who doesn't do software emulation in their spare time   (theglobeandmail.com) divider line 128
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2013-12-17 11:41:37 AM
I don't know of a lot of gamers that would be crying about a $2,000 gaming laptop.
 
2013-12-17 11:49:49 AM
Wait a year and buy an Oculus Rift and a good graphics card?
 
2013-12-17 12:41:34 PM
My youngest daughter just bought herself a GTX 690 just because.  She got a great price, but she's still nuts.
 
2013-12-17 01:21:59 PM
There's a marketing person who got paid to come up with "Game Stick"!?
 
2013-12-17 01:23:26 PM
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Thanks, Grandma!
 
2013-12-17 01:24:22 PM
Still better gaming experiences than the PS4 or XBone.
 
2013-12-17 01:33:53 PM

Lando Lincoln: I don't know of a lot of gamers that would be crying about a $2,000 gaming laptop.


No you don't.
 
2013-12-17 01:35:18 PM
Reminds me of the time when I saw a grandma being all excited about getting an original NES with the Power Pad included for his kids. The SNES had been available for a while now.
 
2013-12-17 01:35:30 PM
Picked up a used 3DS for about a $100 last week, absolutely awesome.
 
2013-12-17 01:35:36 PM
Eh, I'm replacing my broken PS3 this Christmas instead of upgrading.  It's just not worth it yet, to me anyway.
 
2013-12-17 01:36:11 PM
Unless you HAVE to have one of the half-dozen titles that are limited to PS4/XBone RIGHT NOW, there's no reason to get them this early.

They will be cheaper, have more games, have more software patches and possibly even have hardware revisions in a few months. Then it'll be worthwhile.

A number of my friends and I are going back this Christmas and getting a console from "last gen" that we didn't own plus a bunch of games for less than the cost of a new console alone.

Although I suppose if you're a kid and now is the only chance you'll get until next Christmas to get your parents to buy you a console, you could take the plunge.
 
2013-12-17 01:42:08 PM
You can use Nintendo Wii controllers to play games on Android devices, and that includes arcade n older console emulators.  If you have an HDMI out, you can plug everything into the big screen TV.  That includes newer phones.

A few months ago, I found a really nice practically-new usb laptop game controller for $1 at a thrift store.  I looked on Amazon, and it was $80 new.  I know buying used is cheap, but utility and getting the desired result is enough for me.

/Tecmo Bowl n Mame Games on the HDTV FTW!
 
2013-12-17 01:42:24 PM
Speaking as an ungrateful nerd, I wouldn't be interested in anything on that list.
 
2013-12-17 01:43:19 PM
"Gaming Laptops", Nintendo 2DS, and the Nvidia Shield.  I'm pretty sure this is satire.
 
2013-12-17 01:44:01 PM
Funny that you say that,  Subby. I've been trying to get emulators to work on my various machines for Wii and GameCube for the last two days, because my eyes couldn't endure the blood loss that resulted from playing a game on a Wii hooked up to an HD screen.

/"Anti-aliasing? Yeah, we've read about that in books and magazines and stuff. What about it?"- Nintendo Wii Design Team, 2005
 
2013-12-17 01:46:55 PM
I died a little at the Ouya recommendation.
 
2013-12-17 01:52:10 PM

MooseMuffin: Speaking as an ungrateful nerd, I wouldn't be interested in anything on that list.


I know of some consoles that I want for Christmas that are not the PS4 and Xbox One. Granted, they're retro consoles

/SNES
//SEGA Master System, SEGA CD, Saturn
///Atari 2600, etc
 
2013-12-17 01:52:45 PM

Marcus Aurelius: My youngest daughter just bought herself a GTX 690 just because.  She got a great price, but she's still nuts.


So this... daughter of yours... single? Over 18?
 
2013-12-17 01:55:04 PM

Marine1: Funny that you say that,  Subby. I've been trying to get emulators to work on my various machines for Wii and GameCube for the last two days, because my eyes couldn't endure the blood loss that resulted from playing a game on a Wii hooked up to an HD screen.

/"Anti-aliasing? Yeah, we've read about that in books and magazines and stuff. What about it?"- Nintendo Wii Design Team, 2005


Are you referring to Dolphin, the GameCube/Wii emulator, or are you referring to classic console emulators running on a GameCube or Wii?
 
2013-12-17 01:56:41 PM

Dimensio: Marine1: Funny that you say that,  Subby. I've been trying to get emulators to work on my various machines for Wii and GameCube for the last two days, because my eyes couldn't endure the blood loss that resulted from playing a game on a Wii hooked up to an HD screen.

/"Anti-aliasing? Yeah, we've read about that in books and magazines and stuff. What about it?"- Nintendo Wii Design Team, 2005

Are you referring to Dolphin, the GameCube/Wii emulator, or are you referring to classic console emulators running on a GameCube or Wii?


Dolphin. It's reliable, but it's been a while since I've used it and I'm doing things the roundabout way.
 
2013-12-17 01:59:41 PM
I'm going to put this out there.  Who really gives a crap that they're not backwards compatible?  Only this gen of consoles had the ability, and then it was limited at best.

On the Xbox there was only a certain list of games that would work and some of those weren't perfect,  With the PS3 only certain hardware models even gave you the ability.

I for one never bothered playing any of my original Xbox games when I got my 360, and I'd be hard pressed to find any of my friends who have ever done it either (yeah I know, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal).
 
2013-12-17 02:01:29 PM

Dimensio: Marine1: Funny that you say that,  Subby. I've been trying to get emulators to work on my various machines for Wii and GameCube for the last two days, because my eyes couldn't endure the blood loss that resulted from playing a game on a Wii hooked up to an HD screen.

/"Anti-aliasing? Yeah, we've read about that in books and magazines and stuff. What about it?"- Nintendo Wii Design Team, 2005

Are you referring to Dolphin, the GameCube/Wii emulator, or are you referring to classic console emulators running on a GameCube or Wii?


Yes, inquiring minds and such like.

/would like to use a real GC to emulate
 
2013-12-17 02:02:18 PM

Pinko_Commie: I'm going to put this out there.  Who really gives a crap that they're not backwards compatible?  Only this gen of consoles had the ability, and then it was limited at best.

On the Xbox there was only a certain list of games that would work and some of those weren't perfect,  With the PS3 only certain hardware models even gave you the ability.

I for one never bothered playing any of my original Xbox games when I got my 360, and I'd be hard pressed to find any of my friends who have ever done it either (yeah I know, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal).


It's not like finding consoles that are only a few generations old (back to the SNES days, probably) is brutally difficult or expensive, either. If you have an Xbox 360, and want to play Xbox games... go buy an Xbox. They're $30  max at a garage sale. The same will be happening with the last-gen soon, too, even though Microsoft will keep making and selling new 360s.
 
2013-12-17 02:02:39 PM
Whoops. Hey, sorry, mods; I missed Marine1's reply up there.
 
2013-12-17 02:02:42 PM

MooseMuffin: Speaking as an ungrateful nerd, I wouldn't be interested in anything on that list.


Me neither. Gaming laptop? If someone is going to spend 2k so I can game then they'd better ask me first. I'll give them a list of hardware to buy.

If I were to get anything from that list, I'd be interested in de DS and maybe the Ouya (for use as a media player).
 
2013-12-17 02:08:40 PM

walktoanarcade: Dimensio: Marine1: Funny that you say that,  Subby. I've been trying to get emulators to work on my various machines for Wii and GameCube for the last two days, because my eyes couldn't endure the blood loss that resulted from playing a game on a Wii hooked up to an HD screen.

/"Anti-aliasing? Yeah, we've read about that in books and magazines and stuff. What about it?"- Nintendo Wii Design Team, 2005

Are you referring to Dolphin, the GameCube/Wii emulator, or are you referring to classic console emulators running on a GameCube or Wii?

Yes, inquiring minds and such like.

/would like to use a real GC to emulate


The Wii is more powerful than the GameCube, has a more friendly user-interface for homebrew applications and will run all of the same things that the GameCube runs.

/A Wii U running in Wii mode also works.
 
2013-12-17 02:09:03 PM

Girl Pants: Unless you HAVE to have one of the half-dozen titles that are limited to PS4/XBone RIGHT NOW, there's no reason to get them this early.

They will be cheaper, have more games, have more software patches and possibly even have hardware revisions in a few months. Then it'll be worthwhile.

A number of my friends and I are going back this Christmas and getting a console from "last gen" that we didn't own plus a bunch of games for less than the cost of a new console alone.

Although I suppose if you're a kid and now is the only chance you'll get until next Christmas to get your parents to buy you a console, you could take the plunge.


I see this often; you're looking at a year or more for the first real price cut. I googled it out of curiosity.

Mind you, I agree, but let's not under sale how long it will take to reduce price.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Price_cuts
 
2013-12-17 02:10:12 PM
The 3DS/2DS is the best piece of gaming hardware to buy at the moment.

The price has dropped, and the library is really hitting its stride with very good titles.

Fire Emblem: Awakening
Super Mario 3D Land
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
Pokemon X & Y
Monster Hunter 3
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
Mario Kart 7
Kid Icarus: Uprising
Mario & Luigi Dream Team

Upcoming:
Super Smash Bros.
New Kirby
 
2013-12-17 02:13:11 PM

Doc Daneeka: The 3DS/2DS is the best piece of gaming hardware to buy at the moment.

The price has dropped, and the library is really hitting its stride with very good titles.

Fire Emblem: Awakening
Super Mario 3D Land
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
Pokemon X & Y
Monster Hunter 3
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
Mario Kart 7
Kid Icarus: Uprising
Mario & Luigi Dream Team

Upcoming:
Super Smash Bros.
New Kirby


The problem with the 3DS isn't the unit's price (though I can't justify it personally), it's the price of games. Holy shiat. Super Mario 64 DS has been out since 2004... nearly a decade... and still costs $25-$35 retail. Don't get me wrong, they're quality games, but for that much, I could have a nice PC game on Steam or a AAA title used on one of the home consoles. They don't have to be $.99 like the mobile devices pitch them at, but they need to be lower.
 
2013-12-17 02:13:14 PM
Emulation? I've been playing "Ultima Underworld" on Dosbox lately, so I'm getting a kick.
 
2013-12-17 02:15:41 PM
Im getting a PS3 after xmas. Im giving my parents our current blu-ray player to go with the new TV i bought them. But mostly im getting it because our current blu-ray player only does netflix and not amazon streaming since i just got amazon prime to do my xmas shopping with... and to play a handful of PS2 exclusive games i feel i missed out on not being a console guy.
 
2013-12-17 02:17:46 PM

Dimensio: walktoanarcade: Dimensio: Marine1: Funny that you say that,  Subby. I've been trying to get emulators to work on my various machines for Wii and GameCube for the last two days, because my eyes couldn't endure the blood loss that resulted from playing a game on a Wii hooked up to an HD screen.

/"Anti-aliasing? Yeah, we've read about that in books and magazines and stuff. What about it?"- Nintendo Wii Design Team, 2005

Are you referring to Dolphin, the GameCube/Wii emulator, or are you referring to classic console emulators running on a GameCube or Wii?

Yes, inquiring minds and such like.

/would like to use a real GC to emulate

The Wii is more powerful than the GameCube, has a more friendly user-interface for homebrew applications and will run all of the same things that the GameCube runs.

/A Wii U running in Wii mode also works.


True, true, I am still curious about GC emulation, I like to know the technical limits of each system and video games are a big part of my life, but I hear you.

Now that you mention it, one could use a Wii U to emulate a Wii emulating a GC emulating N64.  o_0

Nintendo's marketing dept sucks now, btw.  I was so busy in life during its debut that for way too long I thought the Wii U was a Wii accessory.
 
2013-12-17 02:19:31 PM

Marine1: Super Mario 64 DS has been out since 2004... nearly a decade... and still costs $25-$35 retail.


Did you just ding a current gen console for the used price of one of the previous gen's classic games?

/not that the new Mario for the 3DS is a bargain at $40, but come on!
 
2013-12-17 02:25:47 PM

Cyno01: Im getting a PS3 after xmas. Im giving my parents our current blu-ray player to go with the new TV i bought them. But mostly im getting it because our current blu-ray player only does netflix and not amazon streaming since i just got amazon prime to do my xmas shopping with... and to play a handful of PS2 exclusive games i feel i missed out on not being a console guy.


are they part of psn downloads, or is the console going to be an original run refurb? otherwise no ps2 games
 
2013-12-17 02:27:56 PM

Marine1: Doc Daneeka: The 3DS/2DS is the best piece of gaming hardware to buy at the moment.

The price has dropped, and the library is really hitting its stride with very good titles.

Fire Emblem: Awakening
Super Mario 3D Land
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
Pokemon X & Y
Monster Hunter 3
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
Mario Kart 7
Kid Icarus: Uprising
Mario & Luigi Dream Team

Upcoming:
Super Smash Bros.
New Kirby

The problem with the 3DS isn't the unit's price (though I can't justify it personally), it's the price of games. Holy shiat. Super Mario 64 DS has been out since 2004... nearly a decade... and still costs $25-$35 retail. Don't get me wrong, they're quality games, but for that much, I could have a nice PC game on Steam or a AAA title used on one of the home consoles. They don't have to be $.99 like the mobile devices pitch them at, but they need to be lower.


It's not really fair to compare games like Fire Emblem and Link Between Worlds and Mario 3D Land to the likes of Candy Crush and Cut the Rope.

The former are superb games comparable in quality (if not graphics) to full console games, with dozens of hours of gameplay each.  At $40, it's not a bad value proposition for what you get.  Mobile games on the other hand tend to be time-wasters with little depth, and are priced at 99¢ because that's all they're worth.

Though if you want that type of cheap mobile game, the 3DS has you covered as well.  There are cheap indie downloadable games in the eShop running maybe a couple bucks each.
 
2013-12-17 02:31:16 PM
Anyone in the market for two Nintendo DSes? Metallic red and blue. With about 25 games? Including one of those fake disk things so you can put whatever pirated games you want on there. Makes a great xmas gift for your favorite niece and nephew!
 
2013-12-17 02:32:58 PM

walktoanarcade: Now that you mention it, one could use a Wii U to emulate a Wii emulating a GC emulating N64.  o_0


Nintendo released a promotional GameCube disc of Ocarina of Time that essentially ran in a Nintendo 64 emulator on the GameCube.

Using Devolution, a Wii U in Wii mode can run that GameCube emulation of a Nintendo 64 game.
 
2013-12-17 02:33:18 PM
www.c64-wiki.com

w00t!
 
2013-12-17 02:35:34 PM

walktoanarcade: Dimensio: Marine1: Funny that you say that,  Subby. I've been trying to get emulators to work on my various machines for Wii and GameCube for the last two days, because my eyes couldn't endure the blood loss that resulted from playing a game on a Wii hooked up to an HD screen.

/"Anti-aliasing? Yeah, we've read about that in books and magazines and stuff. What about it?"- Nintendo Wii Design Team, 2005

Are you referring to Dolphin, the GameCube/Wii emulator, or are you referring to classic console emulators running on a GameCube or Wii?

Yes, inquiring minds and such like.

/would like to use a real GC to emulate


Upgrade to the Wii. Here are the homebrew emulators you can get - http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/List_of_homebrew_emulators
Here is how to get the homebrew channel - http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_setup

There are other bonuses that you can install . Like being able to rip games and play them from an external hdd. Hmm a game comes out that looks somewhat interesting? Goto Redbox, rent it for a $1.XX (or whatever), go home and put the game on hdd. ~15mins later you just got yourself a new release. (or you could just snatch up the wbfs/iso files off torrent and then use wbfs manager to load them to your wii's external hdd)
 
2013-12-17 02:38:23 PM

Tenatra: walktoanarcade: Dimensio: Marine1: Funny that you say that,  Subby. I've been trying to get emulators to work on my various machines for Wii and GameCube for the last two days, because my eyes couldn't endure the blood loss that resulted from playing a game on a Wii hooked up to an HD screen.

/"Anti-aliasing? Yeah, we've read about that in books and magazines and stuff. What about it?"- Nintendo Wii Design Team, 2005

Are you referring to Dolphin, the GameCube/Wii emulator, or are you referring to classic console emulators running on a GameCube or Wii?

Yes, inquiring minds and such like.

/would like to use a real GC to emulate

Upgrade to the Wii. Here are the homebrew emulators you can get - http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/List_of_homebrew_emulators
Here is how to get the homebrew channel - http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_setup

There are other bonuses that you can install . Like being able to rip games and play them from an external hdd. Hmm a game comes out that looks somewhat interesting? Goto Redbox, rent it for a $1.XX (or whatever), go home and put the game on hdd. ~15mins later you just got yourself a new release. (or you could just snatch up the wbfs/iso files off torrent and then use wbfs manager to load them to your wii's external hdd)


I have lapsed from my "piracy" phase of life, and I tend to support developers of quality titles.

Unfortunately, I cannot recommend that others do the same to support Monolith Software; Xenoblade Chronicles suffered a very low production run in North America, and piracy is now the only method of obtaining the software without paying an exorbitant price.

/Also look into Newer Super Mario Bros Wii.
 
2013-12-17 02:40:22 PM

olapbill: Cyno01: Im getting a PS3 after xmas. Im giving my parents our current blu-ray player to go with the new TV i bought them. But mostly im getting it because our current blu-ray player only does netflix and not amazon streaming since i just got amazon prime to do my xmas shopping with... and to play a handful of PS2 exclusive games i feel i missed out on not being a console guy.

are they part of psn downloads, or is the console going to be an original run refurb? otherwise no ps2 games


Yup, HD rereleases, Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari, MGS, God of War, couple others... Most of the 1st gen PS3s with hardware backwards compatibility on ebay are listed with yellow light of death, repair doesnt seem that difficult, but im just going to get a 12gb super slim and then a hard drive eventually. The games are low low priority since ive got a steam backlog of a couple hundred games... Ill be happy to have Amazon in addition to Netflix though, but im still undecided if ill spend the $45 on an IR adapter so it works with my Harmony remote.
 
2013-12-17 02:42:47 PM

impaler: Emulation? I've been playing "Ultima Underworld" on Dosbox lately, so I'm getting a kick.


You bastard, now I'm going to have to go reinstall.  I kinda miss the river/water monsters.  And making that jump to get into the refuge on the first level.

/Sling stone outta nowhere!
 
2013-12-17 02:48:07 PM
Really thinking of just doing the PlayStation Plus deal as an Xmas gift to myself. $50 for a year of free/cheaper games. Good deal, right?

Right?

....um...?
 
2013-12-17 02:48:10 PM

DerAppie: If I were to get anything from that list, I'd be interested in de DS and maybe the Ouya (for use as a media player).


Masso: I died a little at the Ouya recommendation.


Why?  The one here gets lots of use.  It doesn't suck as much as you've been lead to believe.  Gamestick is way crappier.  The college kids next door have one also.  Lots of laughs.  And old farts like me can play their C64 games again.  Seriously, the naysayers are loud and obnoxious but they've over-inflated any negatives about the console.   Some people had issues back when it was first released but they've cleared up all of those now.  A new OUYA is 100% better than what it was.
Ack, whatever.  Enjoy your $400 systems with the $50 games that you can play through in a day.
 
2013-12-17 02:49:34 PM

Dimensio: I tend to support developers of quality titles.


As do I, that's kinda why I said somewhat interesting. I have a few titles that were actually worth purchasing but most of the ones on that drive are just horrible. Sometimes the kids will screw around with em for a couple mins but that's about it.
 
2013-12-17 02:50:19 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: [www.c64-wiki.com image 850x425]

w00t!


Commodores are my VICE
 
2013-12-17 02:52:48 PM

Cyno01: olapbill: Cyno01: Im getting a PS3 after xmas. Im giving my parents our current blu-ray player to go with the new TV i bought them. But mostly im getting it because our current blu-ray player only does netflix and not amazon streaming since i just got amazon prime to do my xmas shopping with... and to play a handful of PS2 exclusive games i feel i missed out on not being a console guy.

are they part of psn downloads, or is the console going to be an original run refurb? otherwise no ps2 games

Yup, HD rereleases, Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari, MGS, God of War, couple others... Most of the 1st gen PS3s with hardware backwards compatibility on ebay are listed with yellow light of death, repair doesnt seem that difficult, but im just going to get a 12gb super slim and then a hard drive eventually. The games are low low priority since ive got a steam backlog of a couple hundred games... Ill be happy to have Amazon in addition to Netflix though, but im still undecided if ill spend the $45 on an IR adapter so it works with my Harmony remote.


This is almost exactly what my wife and I just did. We cut the cable, as neither of us watch enough tv to warrant paying $100 per month. I get Prime for half price since I'm going to night school, and we also have Netflix. PS3 runs both well, but beware that Amazon Prime doesn't run true surround sound through the PS3; it comes out stereo. Still sounds good on a decent system, though.

I don't game anywhere near as much as I used to, maybe once a month at the most, so I went for the smaller size and figured I'd install a hard drive myself if I need one.
 
2013-12-17 02:54:02 PM
Ouya has FF3? Does anyone have one of these and does it play smoothly?
 
2013-12-17 02:54:08 PM

Dinobot: Reminds me of the time when I saw a grandma being all excited about getting an original NES with the Power Pad included for his kids. The SNES had been available for a while now.


Go on...
 
2013-12-17 02:56:11 PM

Lando Lincoln: I don't know of a lot of gamers that would be crying about a $2,000 gaming laptop.


If you don't pay for that Alienware logo you can get a similar spec MSI for about $1500.

/18 months old and still high spec.
 
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