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(Yahoo)   The difference here is massive - the clash of cultures and confidence from two franchises that reside in different stratospheres of the league. Almost all NFL games are close. Yet some teams tend to win more than their share. And some lose them   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 51
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2013-12-17 09:47:44 AM
Which is why once Tennessee scored after that pick-six, I was all but convinced the inevitable Cardinals collapse had begun.
 
2013-12-17 09:49:13 AM
When you have a guy who can give you 3 points from 60 yards out, it's not really fair.
 
2013-12-17 09:50:00 AM
As long as you don't play-call like a Raven. Someone needs to tell their coaches that their offensive line is garbage and that running it up the middle doesn't work when there is always penetration behind the line on every play down the middle. Someone also needs to tell them what a screen pass is and remind them that the running back is eligible to be a receiver. Lastly someone needs to remind the media that Ray Rice only pulled a muscle and missed half a game and is perfectly healthy now but that it takes blockers to have a run offense.

/Ambivalent Ravens fan
 
2013-12-17 09:54:26 AM
Make that, one and a half games missed for Rice, but my point still stands. He rolls his eyes every time he's asked about that when interviewed.
 
2013-12-17 09:55:26 AM
I guess "Play Like A Raven" means "Work your field goal kicker to death, because the rest of the team is taking the night off.".
 
2013-12-17 10:19:25 AM
Lol, yeah that snowy night was tough on fans...inside that dome.

I understand wanting to fire Schwartz, but I still don't agree with it.

/rehire Mullen
//or just lane kiffin
 
2013-12-17 10:23:05 AM
The bull's-eye is now squarely on coach Jim Schwartz, who should probably be replaced even if Detroit somehow reaches the playoffs but losses its first game.

Anyone who believes Jim Schwartz's job is in jeopardy over this loss doesn't understand why the Ford family owns the Lions. It's not to field a winning football team, I can assure you of that.
 
2013-12-17 10:29:13 AM
Matt Stafford did an excellent job.....as a Tony Romo impersonator.
 
2013-12-17 10:43:57 AM

sigdiamond2000: The bull's-eye is now squarely on coach Jim Schwartz, who should probably be replaced even if Detroit somehow reaches the playoffs but losses its first game.

Anyone who believes Jim Schwartz's job is in jeopardy over this loss doesn't understand why the Ford family owns the Lions. It's not to field a winning football team, I can assure you of that.


I don't think his job is necessarily in jeapordy (though I hate watching him on the field, that headset chucking bit is obnoxious) - but knowing nothing about the Ford family, care to clue me in?
 
2013-12-17 10:50:46 AM
The phrase "different stratospheres" sounds like a garbled metaphor.

Anyway, to the extent Megatron was a darkhorse MVP candidate I'd say he's out of the running now.
 
2013-12-17 10:52:52 AM
Didn't they just pay some elite, top-tier QB a lot of money so they wouldn't have to rely on last-minute FG kicks to eke out wins over perennially poor teams?
 
2013-12-17 10:54:45 AM

Jster422: sigdiamond2000: The bull's-eye is now squarely on coach Jim Schwartz, who should probably be replaced even if Detroit somehow reaches the playoffs but losses its first game.

Anyone who believes Jim Schwartz's job is in jeopardy over this loss doesn't understand why the Ford family owns the Lions. It's not to field a winning football team, I can assure you of that.

I don't think his job is necessarily in jeapordy (though I hate watching him on the field, that headset chucking bit is obnoxious) - but knowing nothing about the Ford family, care to clue me in?


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2013-12-17 10:55:37 AM

Mikey1969: I guess "Play Like A Raven" means "Work your field goal kicker to death, because the rest of the teamoffenseis taking the night off.".


On the other hand, that's sorta fair, because last week the defense didn't show up in the last two minutes, so the offense had to put on a show to win.

But damn, the Ravens aren't good for their fans' blood pressure.
 
2013-12-17 10:58:13 AM
"Play Like A Raven"  "Forget we used to be the Browns"
 
2013-12-17 11:02:13 AM

Super Chronic: Anyway, to the extent Megatron was a darkhorse MVP candidate I'd say he's out of the running now.


Since he isn't a QB or RB, he was never in the running to begin with
 
2013-12-17 11:04:35 AM

Ninja Otter: Mikey1969: I guess "Play Like A Raven" means "Work your field goal kicker to death, because the rest of the teamoffenseis taking the night off.".

On the other hand, that's sorta fair, because last week the defense didn't show up in the last two minutes, so the offense had to put on a show to win.

But damn, the Ravens aren't good for their fans' blood pressure.


They did the same thing on Thanksgiving playing the Steelers... They got that TD on the opening possession, and the rest of the game was FG, FG, FG, FG....
 
2013-12-17 11:10:06 AM

Grandiloquent Grapefruit: Someone needs to tell their coaches that their offensive line is garbage and that running it up the middle doesn't work when there is always penetration behind the line on every play down the middle.


I think BAL's coaching staff has a bit of a blind side toward portions of the O-line...

// most penalized (false starts) T in the league since he was drafted, n'est-ce pas?
 
2013-12-17 11:12:21 AM

Jster422: sigdiamond2000: The bull's-eye is now squarely on coach Jim Schwartz, who should probably be replaced even if Detroit somehow reaches the playoffs but losses its first game.

Anyone who believes Jim Schwartz's job is in jeopardy over this loss doesn't understand why the Ford family owns the Lions. It's not to field a winning football team, I can assure you of that.

I don't think his job is necessarily in jeapordy (though I hate watching him on the field, that headset chucking bit is obnoxious) - but knowing nothing about the Ford family, care to clue me in?


They don't give a sh*t about winning. They never have. The Lions are a money-making venture for them and nothing else.
 
2013-12-17 11:17:05 AM

GardenWeasel: "Play Like A Raven"  "Forget we used to be the Browns"


To be fair, the Ravens have been a smidge more successful than the post-merger Browns were.
 
2013-12-17 11:30:45 AM

sigdiamond2000: Jster422: sigdiamond2000: The bull's-eye is now squarely on coach Jim Schwartz, who should probably be replaced even if Detroit somehow reaches the playoffs but losses its first game.

Anyone who believes Jim Schwartz's job is in jeopardy over this loss doesn't understand why the Ford family owns the Lions. It's not to field a winning football team, I can assure you of that.

I don't think his job is necessarily in jeapordy (though I hate watching him on the field, that headset chucking bit is obnoxious) - but knowing nothing about the Ford family, care to clue me in?

They don't give a sh*t about winning. They never have. The Lions are a money-making venture for them and nothing else.


Ah, so the Cubs of the NFL then.  That sounds fun.  Is there really enough of a fanbase in Detroit to keep buying tickets to support that?  At least the Cubs have north side yuppies happy to go to the games ironically, I wouldn't have guessed Detroit fans to be as tolerant.
 
2013-12-17 11:36:25 AM

Lost Thought 00: Since he isn't a QB or RB, he was never in the running to begin with


Fun fact: a kicker has won the MVP more recently than a WR.
 
2013-12-17 11:42:00 AM

Jster422: sigdiamond2000: Jster422: sigdiamond2000: The bull's-eye is now squarely on coach Jim Schwartz, who should probably be replaced even if Detroit somehow reaches the playoffs but losses its first game.

Anyone who believes Jim Schwartz's job is in jeopardy over this loss doesn't understand why the Ford family owns the Lions. It's not to field a winning football team, I can assure you of that.

I don't think his job is necessarily in jeapordy (though I hate watching him on the field, that headset chucking bit is obnoxious) - but knowing nothing about the Ford family, care to clue me in?

They don't give a sh*t about winning. They never have. The Lions are a money-making venture for them and nothing else.

Ah, so the Cubs of the NFL then.  That sounds fun.  Is there really enough of a fanbase in Detroit to keep buying tickets to support that?  At least the Cubs have north side yuppies happy to go to the games ironically, I wouldn't have guessed Detroit fans to be as tolerant.


We aren't tolerant, just numb to the pain.
 
2013-12-17 11:52:24 AM

ladodger34: GardenWeasel: "Play Like A Raven"  "Forget we used to be the Browns"

To be fair, the Ravens have been a smidge more successful than the post-merger Browns were.


That was my point. The Browns->Ravens were like the Lions at one time.
 
2013-12-17 12:04:35 PM

Dr Dreidel: Grandiloquent Grapefruit: Someone needs to tell their coaches that their offensive line is garbage and that running it up the middle doesn't work when there is always penetration behind the line on every play down the middle.

I think BAL's coaching staff has a bit of a blind side toward portions of the O-line...

// most penalized (false starts) T in the league since he was drafted, n'est-ce pas?


It's mostly due to a lack of options. Oher isn't good. But he's the third worst player on the O-line.

Given his production and potential vs cost so far in his career he's been a decent keep.

What the team needs is a new center. Gino Gradkowski is the worst starter in the league. He's worse than backups.

Even Pittsburgh's backup has played better.

Seriously, the Oline is crap. The left guard is the Colts backup (3rd string) center.
 
2013-12-17 12:04:44 PM
I laughed my ass off through this whole article.
 
2013-12-17 12:08:46 PM

kronicfeld: Didn't they just pay some elite, top-tier QB a lot of money so they wouldn't have to rely on last-minute FG kicks to eke out wins over perennially poor teams?


QBs tend to have down years when playing behind sub-par lines. And that's a polite way to describe Baltimore's O-line.
 
2013-12-17 12:17:04 PM

wiseolddude: Matt Stafford did an excellent job.....as a Tony Romo impersonator.


I said a few weeks ago that Stafford is the Romo nobody cares to talk about
 
2013-12-17 12:36:18 PM

Jster422: sigdiamond2000: Jster422: sigdiamond2000: The bull's-eye is now squarely on coach Jim Schwartz, who should probably be replaced even if Detroit somehow reaches the playoffs but losses its first game.

Anyone who believes Jim Schwartz's job is in jeopardy over this loss doesn't understand why the Ford family owns the Lions. It's not to field a winning football team, I can assure you of that.

I don't think his job is necessarily in jeapordy (though I hate watching him on the field, that headset chucking bit is obnoxious) - but knowing nothing about the Ford family, care to clue me in?

They don't give a sh*t about winning. They never have. The Lions are a money-making venture for them and nothing else.

Ah, so the Cubs of the NFL then.  That sounds fun.  Is there really enough of a fanbase in Detroit to keep buying tickets to support that?  At least the Cubs have north side yuppies happy to go to the games ironically, I wouldn't have guessed Detroit fans to be as tolerant.


Lions fans are a bunch of Downriver dirtballs who blow their entire paycheck on season tickets, get all drunk and go to the game to hurl profanity at their own players.  They are very loyal and passionate.
 
2013-12-17 12:38:25 PM
Green Bay and Chicago have to split their last to games sand Detroit has to win both.

Either team wins both games and we are out.
 
2013-12-17 12:46:10 PM
Couldn't load the article, but by the thread, I assume it is about how after several pathetic showings by the entire division, the Packers are somehow poised to make a run at 14...point loss to one of the several good teams in the NFC. Packers fan who will not get his hopes up until the clock shows zeroes on the last game of the season.
 
2013-12-17 01:04:41 PM

roc6783: Couldn't load the article, but by the thread, I assume it is about how after several pathetic showings by the entire division, the Packers are somehow poised to make a run at 14...point loss to one of the several good teams in the NFC. Packers fan who will not get his hopes up until the clock shows zeroes on the last game of the season.


This Bears fan is fully prepared to either a) laugh as we beat Philly then lose to GB at home to let them into the playoffs ala 2010, or b) laugh as we win both and lose to Seattle or whoever 38-0.

But in the meantime, laughing at the Lions is bringing NFC North families together.
 
2013-12-17 01:12:17 PM

Electromax: This Bears fan is fully prepared to either a) laugh as we beat Philly then lose to GB at home to let them into the playoffs ala 2010, or b) laugh as we win both and lose to Seattle or whoever 38-0.


I don't think losing to Seattle is something either division winner from the North or East is going to need to worry about.
 
2013-12-17 01:33:17 PM

JayCab: Electromax: This Bears fan is fully prepared to either a) laugh as we beat Philly then lose to GB at home to let them into the playoffs ala 2010, or b) laugh as we win both and lose to Seattle or whoever 38-0.

I don't think losing to Seattle is something either division winner from the North or East is going to need to worry about.


As a Packer fan, I see what you did there., And I can't really disagree with you unless Rodgers is back and ready to light shiat up.
 
2013-12-17 01:35:57 PM
I would think a 61 one yard field goal would have a low trajectory and be easier to block at the line of scrimmage than a routine 30 yarder - that said, why wouldn't you put your highest jumping offensive player (say Calvin Johnson) down at the goal line and try and block it there?
 
2013-12-17 01:38:03 PM

Agent Nick Fury: I would think a 61 one yard field goal would have a low trajectory and be easier to block at the line of scrimmage than a routine 30 yarder - that said, why wouldn't you put your highest jumping offensive player (say Calvin Johnson) down at the goal line and try and block it there?


IIRC, you can only block a kick at the LOS, not at the crossbar.
 
2013-12-17 01:39:11 PM

Dr Dreidel: Grandiloquent Grapefruit: Someone needs to tell their coaches that their offensive line is garbage and that running it up the middle doesn't work when there is always penetration behind the line on every play down the middle.

I think BAL's coaching staff has a bit of a blind side toward portions of the O-line...

// most penalized (false starts) T in the league since he was drafted, n'est-ce pas?


Conversation with mrs. robertus when they showed that graphic last night:

Me: I'm not even a little surprised the Ravens have the most false starts in the league.
Her: They have the most Michael Oher in the league.
 
2013-12-17 01:44:10 PM

Agent Nick Fury: I would think a 61 one yard field goal would have a low trajectory and be easier to block at the line of scrimmage than a routine 30 yarder - that said, why wouldn't you put your highest jumping offensive player (say Calvin Johnson) down at the goal line and try and block it there?



From  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Stroud:
On many opponents' field goal attempts, Stroud lined up under the goalposts and tried to deflect the ball as it came down. Later rule changes led to the adoption of Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1 (informally known as the "Stroud Rule"): "Goal tending by any player leaping up to deflect a kick as it passes above the crossbar of a goal post is prohibited. The referee could award 3 points for a palpably unfair act".
 
2013-12-17 01:44:41 PM

Dr Dreidel: Agent Nick Fury: I would think a 61 one yard field goal would have a low trajectory and be easier to block at the line of scrimmage than a routine 30 yarder - that said, why wouldn't you put your highest jumping offensive player (say Calvin Johnson) down at the goal line and try and block it there?

IIRC, you can only block a kick at the LOS, not at the crossbar.


I did not know that.

So you can't return a short field goal ala Auburn against Alabama in the NFL?
 
2013-12-17 01:46:58 PM

Agent Nick Fury: Dr Dreidel: Agent Nick Fury: I would think a 61 one yard field goal would have a low trajectory and be easier to block at the line of scrimmage than a routine 30 yarder - that said, why wouldn't you put your highest jumping offensive player (say Calvin Johnson) down at the goal line and try and block it there?

IIRC, you can only block a kick at the LOS, not at the crossbar.

I did not know that.

So you can't return a short field goal ala Auburn against Alabama in the NFL?


You can do that, you just can't block it from going over the crossbar.
 
2013-12-17 01:51:12 PM

prickly pete v2: Agent Nick Fury: Dr Dreidel: Agent Nick Fury: I would think a 61 one yard field goal would have a low trajectory and be easier to block at the line of scrimmage than a routine 30 yarder - that said, why wouldn't you put your highest jumping offensive player (say Calvin Johnson) down at the goal line and try and block it there?

IIRC, you can only block a kick at the LOS, not at the crossbar.

I did not know that.

So you can't return a short field goal ala Auburn against Alabama in the NFL?

You can do that, you just can't block it from going over the crossbar.


Okay, that kind of makes sense because I remember Hester returning one for the Bears - so the player can't "jump" to get the ball.

Still don't understand why, according to The Loaf's citation, that blocking the field goal at the crossbar is "unfair" while at the line of scrimmage it's fine.

But that's the NFL for you.
 
2013-12-17 01:59:02 PM
Matt Stafford is the best QB in the league who also multiple times a game will needlessly sidearm or corkscrew a short pass onto someone's feet. Employing dodgy mechanics when the play breaks down is one thing. Doing it because he's bored, which is the only plausible excuse I can think of for half the time he does that, is another.
 
2013-12-17 02:17:41 PM

prickly pete v2: JayCab: Electromax: This Bears fan is fully prepared to either a) laugh as we beat Philly then lose to GB at home to let them into the playoffs ala 2010, or b) laugh as we win both and lose to Seattle or whoever 38-0.

I don't think losing to Seattle is something either division winner from the North or East is going to need to worry about.

As a Packer fan, I see what you did there., And I can't really disagree with you unless Rodgers is back and ready to light shiat up.


The Packers are kind of the exception. Their crappy record is as a result of losing Rogers, so they'll be better than it indicates, plus the whole Mystical Frozen Tundra thing. CHI, DET, PHI, and DAL, though? Forget about it, they'll all get torn up by the Niners, Panthers, or Saints, snow or otherwise.
 
2013-12-17 02:26:15 PM

JayCab: Saints, snow or otherwise.


Not too sure about New Orleans doing anything in the snow. Of course, they might not be there. And the Packers would get torn up by those other teams, too - they have zero defense.
 
2013-12-17 02:29:03 PM
If the Packers win the Super Bowl with Rodgers on the sidelines in a cast, now the halftime air was sweet perfume, while the sergeants played a marching tune, we all got up to dance, but we're all fat so it was funny.
 
2013-12-17 02:39:08 PM
Now that that is out of my system...i cannot see any conceivable way in which the Packers can win every game for the rest of the season, barring some freak accident involving all of the teams they would potentially face. I have not been on the "fire everyone" bandwagon at any point, but if they one the Super Bowl this year, I would move for the entire staff to be put in the Packers Hall of Fame immediately. Except the training staff, they need to be put in Minnesota, because seriously, fark those guys. On the radio after Rodgers went down, they said the Pack has had the most injured team since 2009. No clue what the qualifiers on that figure were, but the training staff has been the same for 10+ years.
 
2013-12-17 02:43:15 PM

IAmRight: JayCab: Saints, snow or otherwise.

Not too sure about New Orleans doing anything in the snow. Of course, they might not be there. And the Packers would get torn up by those other teams, too - they have zero defense.


Zero first half defense. I don't farking know what happens at the half but they given up 10 second half points over the last two weeks
 
2013-12-17 02:52:30 PM

roc6783: Now that that is out of my system...i cannot see any conceivable way in which the Packers can win every game for the rest of the season, barring some freak accident involving all of the teams they would potentially face. I have not been on the "fire everyone" bandwagon at any point, but if they one the Super Bowl this year, I would move for the entire staff to be put in the Packers Hall of Fame immediately. Except the training staff, they need to be put in Minnesota, because seriously, fark those guys. On the radio after Rodgers went down, they said the Pack has had the most injured team since 2009. No clue what the qualifiers on that figure were, but the training staff has been the same for 10+ years.


I think it goes by the number of people on IR. I know a couple weeks ago they had like 15 people on IR. Far and away the worst in the league.
 
2013-12-17 03:03:52 PM

thecpt: Zero first half defense. I don't farking know what happens at the half but they given up 10 second half points over the last two weeks


Oh, I'm talking about against competent teams. Maybe this year they'll figure out Kaepernick can run or that Boldin's open.
 
2013-12-17 03:42:45 PM

IAmRight: thecpt: Zero first half defense. I don't farking know what happens at the half but they given up 10 second half points over the last two weeks

Oh, I'm talking about against competent teams. Maybe this year they'll figure out Kaepernick can run or that Boldin's open.


Hey! That's really tough! Cover the only legitimate receiver and keep one lb as a spy? How is Dom supposed to do that while wasting his nickle corner on a lopsided blitz?
 
2013-12-17 05:40:13 PM

thecpt: IAmRight: thecpt: Zero first half defense. I don't farking know what happens at the half but they given up 10 second half points over the last two weeks

Oh, I'm talking about against competent teams. Maybe this year they'll figure out Kaepernick can run or that Boldin's open.

Hey! That's really tough! Cover the only legitimate receiver and keep one lb as a spy? How is Dom supposed to do that while wasting his nickle corner on a lopsided blitz?


Actually I'd totally expect them to put constant double coverage on Boldin... now that Crabtree and Manningham are back..
 
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