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(USA Today)   Shawn Thornton appeals 15 game suspension, says the punishment was a cheap shot to the face   (usatoday.com) divider line 92
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2013-12-17 08:36:31 AM
Been waiting for a greenlight on this story forever. I was beginning to wonder if Fark likes hockey anymore.
 
2013-12-17 09:49:37 AM
15 games seems a bit excessive to me.

Do the games he's already missed count?
 
2013-12-17 10:05:13 AM
Not saying Orpik took a dive, but he barely got tapped and went lights-out. Something else was going on there. he may have already had a conditon.
 
2013-12-17 10:07:49 AM
B-b-b-but the code.
 
2013-12-17 10:09:18 AM

Primitive Screwhead: 15 games seems a bit excessive to me.

Do the games he's already missed count?


Yes.

The next step is (fark you)Gary Bergman's written ruling.  He may knock it down to 12ish (8 more I think, I lost count).  But Bettman *spit* won't knock off any a lot more than that for the whole united front aspect of the league against this particular type of attack.  (Reminding that it's a mandatory 10 games for leaving the bench during a scrum, before you touch anybody) Thornton can appeal that too, and an independent arbitrator will have a go at it.  He's not likely to get less than 12 there either and may even end up with the 15 he started with.
 
2013-12-17 10:13:47 AM
When did Shawn get back from Ireland?  And is he still married to that Maureen O'Hara chick?
 
2013-12-17 10:16:43 AM
I never knew he could skate.


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-17 10:17:05 AM
Did the fight look like this?:
www.screeninsults.com

I know, that's Sean Thornton.
Maureen O'Hara was HOT in that movie.
 
2013-12-17 10:18:48 AM

duke3522: When did Shawn get back from Ireland?  And is he still married to that Maureen O'Hara chick?


R.A.Danny: I never knew he could skate.


[img.fark.net image 850x1071]


ZMugg: Did the fight look like this?:
[www.screeninsults.com image 460x276]

I know, that's Sean Thornton.
Maureen O'Hara was HOT in that movie.


Fark Hive Mindat work.
 
2013-12-17 10:19:34 AM
He's not appealing the act, but the length. And he has a case. A justice system that bases suspensions of the same acts on individual result as opposed to the act itself is flawed and not a deterrent.

I read somewhere also that in most cases of 15 plus games, there was a clear intent to injure with a piece of equipment, i.e. a stick, or in some cases, a skate blade (where have you gone, Chris Simon?)
 
2013-12-17 10:22:03 AM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: He's not appealing the act, but the length. And he has a case. A justice system that bases suspensions of the same acts on individual result as opposed to the act itself is flawed and not a deterrent.

I read somewhere also that in most cases of 15 plus games, there was a clear intent to injure with a piece of equipment, i.e. a stick, or in some cases, a skate blade (where have you gone, Chris Simon?)


Case in point: on that same Saturday, Zac Rinaldo did the same thing to Antoine Roussel, and didn't get so much as a phone call about it. 0 games vs. 15. Whats to deter Rinaldo from jumping an unsuspecting player in the future? We'll have to wait until he brain damages someone 1st.
 
2013-12-17 10:22:39 AM

ZMugg: duke3522: When did Shawn get back from Ireland?  And is he still married to that Maureen O'Hara chick?

R.A.Danny: I never knew he could skate.


[img.fark.net image 850x1071]

ZMugg: Did the fight look like this?:
[www.screeninsults.com image 460x276]

I know, that's Sean Thornton.
Maureen O'Hara was HOT in that movie.

Fark Hive Mindat work


Probably the best actual acting job The Duke ever did.  And Maureen was so HOT!!!
 
2013-12-17 10:25:12 AM
www.theskinnystiletto.com
 
2013-12-17 10:27:00 AM

LemSkroob: Not saying Orpik took a dive, but he barely got tapped and went lights-out. Something else was going on there. he may have already had a conditon.


Like, say, the back of Orpik's head slamming against the ice before Thornton took his punches? That may have factored into it.

/was a pretty scrappy game leading up to it.
 
2013-12-17 10:31:36 AM
I'm OK with 15 games for Thornton. There's no place in the game for what he did.

What pisses me off is that repeat-offender-shiat-bag-extraordinaire James Neal only got 5.
 
2013-12-17 10:31:45 AM
I figured 10-12 games. 15 doesn't seem excessive.
 
2013-12-17 10:32:27 AM
So proud my Bergman typo lives on as a fark NHL meme.
 
2013-12-17 10:34:35 AM
I hope they lengthen the suspension.  A player should not attempt to deliberately injure another player in that fashion.  If this had occurred in the parking lot after the game without people around to pull Thornton off, Orpik would be dead and Thornton in jail.  He wasn't going to stop on his own.
 
2013-12-17 10:35:06 AM
Just curious, how many games did the shiatbag backup goalie for the Flyers get for his actions a couple weeks back?
 
2013-12-17 10:35:12 AM
Yeah, good luck with that. I don't think Bergman knocks it down any and honestly, he shouldn't. You skate halfway across the ice to just do those acts? Sit down and shut up.

/If anyone's interested, I've updated the NHL Alternate Standings spreadsheet
 
2013-12-17 10:35:51 AM

LucklessWonder: So proud my Bergman typo lives on as a fark NHL meme.


May it live forever, sir.
 
2013-12-17 10:42:04 AM
How is slewfooting a guy and then punching him in the head repeatedly when he can't fight back not a clear intent to injure? He was lucky to get the 15.
 
2013-12-17 10:43:07 AM

soopey: I'm OK with 15 games for Thornton. There's no place in the game for what he did.

What pisses me off is that repeat-offender-shiat-bag-extraordinaire James Neal only got 5.


Exactly.
 
2013-12-17 10:43:39 AM
Meanwhile, Roger Goodell was asked about possible fines and penalties against Terence Garvin for his cheap shot on Kevin Huber Sunday night, and he replied, "Huber? Who's he play quarterback for?"
 
2013-12-17 11:09:01 AM

ElwoodCuse: How is slewfooting a guy and then punching him in the head repeatedly when he can't fight back not a clear intent to injure? He was lucky to get the 15.


Hes Irish in Boston.Its his cultural heritage to do shiat like that.
 
2013-12-17 11:21:30 AM

ElwoodCuse: How is slewfooting a guy and then punching him in the head repeatedly when he can't fight back not a clear intent to injure? He was lucky to get the 15.


Yeah, but you see Orpik didn't follow the code, so he deserved it.

Neal should have gotten 15 too, he's disgusting and a repeat offender.
 
2013-12-17 11:27:16 AM
As a Pens fan, I would have been happy with 10.

As for the question of the difference between what James Neal did and what Thornton did, if you can't see the difference, turn in your hockey fan man card and go watch a different sport.  Neal's play occurred during play and happened in the spur of the moment.  Yes, what he did was stupid and absolutely deserves a suspension.  Then you have what Thornton did - an intentional act WELL after the whistle and completely thought out as he skated across the ice to get to Orpik.  There's a HUGE difference between the two.

And honestly, I also blame the refs for the escalation.  That game got out of hand quickly.  Orpik's initial hit was clean and any after-the-whistle stuff by either team should have been penalized as a way to gain control of the game.
 
2013-12-17 11:29:29 AM
It has a lot to do with the fact that it was premeditated and, especially, that it was after the whistle.
 
2013-12-17 11:54:42 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Yeah, but you see Orpik didn't follow the code, so he deserved it.


What? Orpik'shiat was clean, he had nothing to answer for. And it is his choice whether to fight. Thornton couldn't comprehend it.

Should have been 25+ games. It didn't happen in the heat of the moment, he had plenty of time to think about what he was doing as he skated over to Orpik. If it had happened contemporaneous with Orpik'shiat I think 10-15 would be right, but so long after Orpik'shiat and after the whistle along with skating across the ice to get to him. Clear and obvious intent to injure.
 
2013-12-17 12:01:04 PM
Thornton should get 20+

Neal should get 10+

/pens fan.
 
2013-12-17 12:03:48 PM

slykens1: Yanks_RSJ: Yeah, but you see Orpik didn't follow the code, so he deserved it.

What? Orpik'shiat was clean, he had nothing to answer for. And it is his choice whether to fight. Thornton couldn't comprehend it.

Should have been 25+ games. It didn't happen in the heat of the moment, he had plenty of time to think about what he was doing as he skated over to Orpik. If it had happened contemporaneous with Orpik'shiat I think 10-15 would be right, but so long after Orpik'shiat and after the whistle along with skating across the ice to get to him. Clear and obvious intent to injure.


www.theindiepedant.com
 
2013-12-17 12:08:59 PM

bass555: Just curious, how many games did the shiatbag backup goalie for the Flyers get for his actions a couple weeks back?


0.

I've watched the NHL for decades, and I have no idea what the rules are.

Fight a guy who obviously does not want to fight? OK.

Continue to fight a guy after he goes down to the ice? No penalty, no suspension.

My only guess is the call is entirely outcome-based. Weak enough/pull your punches = no problem. Guy leaves the ice on a stretcher =15 games.
 
2013-12-17 12:26:00 PM

soopey: I'm OK with 15 games for Thornton. There's no place in the game for what he did.

What pisses me off is that repeat-offender-shiat-bag-extraordinaire James Neal only got 5.


Part of me says 10, but you're right, what he did was over the top.

As for Neal, I would have been ok with that upped a few more games due his past.

And as for Torres, give him 5 just because it's been a while.
 
2013-12-17 12:26:49 PM
Hopefully Bettman gets it right, and adds more games to Thornton's suspension.

But he won't, because he and the rest of the league have a hard-on for the Bruins, their owner, and their players.

// Sucks really
 
2013-12-17 12:37:17 PM

edgesrealm: Hopefully Bettman gets it right, and adds more games to Thornton's suspension.

But he won't, because he and the rest of the league have a hard-on for the Bruins, their owner, and their players.

// Sucks really


Well he is a bit of a big cheese (being the Chairman of the NHL Board of Governors, and all).  Let's just hope he'll be dead soon although at 73 he's probably got a few years left...
 
2013-12-17 12:37:48 PM

vento: As for the question of the difference between what James Neal did and what Thornton did, if you can't see the difference, turn in your hockey fan man card and go watch a different sport.


I don't think anyone over the age of 13 is seriously trying to argue that Neal's actions, in a vacuum, are even level with, let alone somehow worse than Thornton's. Neal's past actions are what plenty feel is worth upping Neal's suspension length.

As a Bruins fan, I definitely think Thornton should get plenty. That kind of blatant thuggery is disgusting in any context.
 
2013-12-17 01:05:43 PM

Dafatone: Thornton should get 20+

Neal should get 10+

/pens fan.


Not a pens fan, but agree.  Thornton should be lucky he even gets to play at all this season IMO.

Take your punishment and STFU dude.  Hockey doesn't need you or your shiat.
 
2013-12-17 01:29:33 PM
Todd Bertuzzi just sits back and laughs.
 
2013-12-17 01:36:18 PM
This doesn't actually bother me much.  It's pretty much mandatory that, no matter what you, you have to appeal it just to be sure.  I'd be shocked if it isn't in the CBA that they have to.
 
2013-12-17 01:49:20 PM

vento: As a Pens fan, I would have been happy with 10.

As for the question of the difference between what James Neal did and what Thornton did, if you can't see the difference, turn in your hockey fan man card and go watch a different sport.  Neal's play occurred during play and happened in the spur of the moment.  Yes, what he did was stupid and absolutely deserves a suspension.  Then you have what Thornton did - an intentional act WELL after the whistle and completely thought out as he skated across the ice to get to Orpik.  There's a HUGE difference between the two.

And honestly, I also blame the refs for the escalation.  That game got out of hand quickly.  Orpik's initial hit was clean and any after-the-whistle stuff by either team should have been penalized as a way to gain control of the game.


I'm a Pens fan, too.  While I agree that Thornton's actions were worse (for the reasons you describe), I still think Neal should've gotten 10 games.  Hockey doesn't, nor should it, care about intent.  An accidental high stick is just as dangerous as an intentional one.  Laziness or clumsiness is just as dangerous as intent.  He kneed Marchand in the head, he deserves the punishment, (For the record: he did it on purpose.  I'm not implying it was accidental).

Fair or not, I think Neal may have been given some leniency because of who he kneed.  Marchand is an embarrassment to hockey.  Even his own coach and teammates are sick of his clown antics.  He is this decade's Sean Avery.  He's more interested in the spotlight than actually playing hockey.

Thornton is a player I love to hate, but would love him if he were on my team.  He may go overboard at times, but he does it for his teammates.  Marchand is a joke and needs to be run out of hockey.  If he hadn't flopped to try and draw a penalty on the play, he never would've been in the position to have some sense knocked into him.

/I love Lucic.  More NHLers need to follow his example of how to be physical, intimidating, and skillful without being dangerous or dirty.
//Speaking of, since Lucic was attacked in the Vancouver nightclub, doesn't Chara have to go stab the guy according to "the code"?
 
2013-12-17 01:57:36 PM

ZMugg: Did the fight look like this?:
[www.screeninsults.com image 460x276]

I know, that's Sean Thornton.
Maureen O'Hara was HOT in that movie.


The fight had less patty fingers.
 
2013-12-17 02:02:39 PM
The Bruins and the homers defending him are dogshiat people.
 
2013-12-17 02:09:54 PM
Eh... 15 sounds about right, to me. Don't think the number of games will get reduced, but they might reduce the fine a bit. That's got to sting for a player like Thornton, who's on the low end of the pay scale, relatively speaking.

It is what it is... Personally, I'm glad he rung Orpik's bell, and the punishment fits the offense.
 
2013-12-17 02:16:55 PM
Wow...a lot of bitter non-Bruin fans in this thread. Grow up and stop whining.
 
2013-12-17 02:19:46 PM

sno man: edgesrealm: Hopefully Bettman gets it right, and adds more games to Thornton's suspension.

But he won't, because he and the rest of the league have a hard-on for the Bruins, their owner, and their players.

// Sucks really

Well he is a bit of a big cheese (being the Chairman of the NHL Board of Governors, and all).  Let's just hope he'll be dead soon although at 73 he's probably got a few years left...


Trust me, Bruins fans have wanted Jacobs dead for a long time.
 
2013-12-17 02:31:50 PM
I'm okay with 15 games for Thornton. First suspension or not, it was long after the whistle.

Not okay with only 5 for Neal. He's a repeat offender.

/Bruins fan
 
2013-12-17 02:34:10 PM

Weigard: The Bruins and the homers defending him are dogshiat people.


tsn is that way --->

seriously....there was a decent delay from the time he grabbed the *front* of the jersey to his first punch.  he could have defended himself.  he did not bounce the guys head off the ice like some are claiming.  it's frustrating from the bruins players' perspective...they are getting cheap shotted all game, to the effect of injury, and nothing is be doing.  so when they try to fight the opponent, in this case the penguins, they all cower.
 
2013-12-17 02:34:22 PM

fatalvenom: sno man: edgesrealm: Hopefully Bettman gets it right, and adds more games to Thornton's suspension.

But he won't, because he and the rest of the league have a hard-on for the Bruins, their owner, and their players.

// Sucks really

Well he is a bit of a big cheese (being the Chairman of the NHL Board of Governors, and all).  Let's just hope he'll be dead soon although at 73 he's probably got a few years left...

Trust me, Bruins fans have wanted Jacobs dead for a long time.


Slow and painfully, preferably. : )

farking bastard owns the concessions in Providence and raised the beer prices. Bastard.


Hey, Thornton sent Orpik a fruit basket, so it's all good. : )
 
2013-12-17 02:41:17 PM

keylock71: farking bastard owns the concessions in Providence and raised the beer prices. Bastard.


Oh, He's the reason!
That Fuking Asshole!
I hate him twice as much now!
 
2013-12-17 02:45:13 PM

Primitive Screwhead: keylock71: farking bastard owns the concessions in Providence and raised the beer prices. Bastard.

Oh, He's the reason!
That Fuking Asshole!
I hate him twice as much now!


I was ready to slew foot someone and knock them silly after paying $8 for a Narragansett!
 
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