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2013-12-17 08:32:20 AM  
That six second video did wonders for my understanding of the core issues at stake here.
 
2013-12-17 08:39:18 AM  
WTF was that? The video didn't even include the three part screencap that shows before you push play. Your blog sucks.
 
2013-12-17 09:02:41 AM  
Two sentences (three if you count "WTF" as sentence)  and a video of a cop walking down a drive way.  I'm going to need more if you want to heat my blood on this chilly morn.
 
2013-12-17 09:05:31 AM  
Shrug, it's illegal to wash your car on your own driveway in Austin too.  Boston doesn't strike me as the sort of place to have drought problems though.
 
2013-12-17 09:20:28 AM  
shiattiest video I have ever seen.
 
2013-12-17 09:29:41 AM  
Why was this green-lighted?  No, seriously - the video's content is negligible - why was this green-lighted?
 
2013-12-17 09:35:14 AM  

chrisco123: shiattiest video I have ever seen.


And vertical too, it's like the guy is just plain old trolling.
 
2013-12-17 09:37:19 AM  
Sorry, had the wrong version of the video posted. Full video should be at the link now.
 
2013-12-17 09:44:11 AM  
The cop was being reasonable a'la "Hey, I got a call and this is what I've got to do" and even showed the guy the ordinance. The guy taking the video was acting like a jerk---why he asked for a ticket is insane especially after the cop wasn't planning to write one. The guy should have just done what he was asked and later did some research about it.
 
2013-12-17 09:51:33 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: The cop was being reasonable a'la "Hey, I got a call and this is what I've got to do" and even showed the guy the ordinance. The guy taking the video was acting like a jerk---why he asked for a ticket is insane especially after the cop wasn't planning to write one. The guy should have just done what he was asked and later did some research about it.


They were both jerks.  The cop was wrong, but not willing to admit it.  The other guy wasn't going to let the cop go away with getting him to admit he was wrong, which is stupid.  Let the cop save face and you'll all be happier.
 
2013-12-17 09:51:54 AM  
Umm, judging from their accents ... there is No Way that's Boston.  New York/NJ area is a better bet.

fuggedaboutit
 
2013-12-17 10:11:00 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: The cop was being reasonable a'la "Hey, I got a call and this is what I've got to do" and even showed the guy the ordinance. The guy taking the video was acting like a jerk---why he asked for a ticket is insane especially after the cop wasn't planning to write one. The guy should have just done what he was asked and later did some research about it.


Was there an ordinance?  I got the impression the cop said "you can't wash your car in public view," leaving it open to interpretation as to whether that controls what you do on your own private property/driveway.  I think that's why the guy wanted a ticket, because he knew a judge would probably go WTF.  It seemed more like a case of selective harassment because someone from one of the nice houses on the street complained.
 
Bf+
2013-12-17 10:21:57 AM  
He shouldn't be given a ticket for washing a car.
He should be given a ticket for washing that car.
 
2013-12-17 10:46:25 AM  

desertmouse: MelGoesOnTour: The cop was being reasonable a'la "Hey, I got a call and this is what I've got to do" and even showed the guy the ordinance. The guy taking the video was acting like a jerk---why he asked for a ticket is insane especially after the cop wasn't planning to write one. The guy should have just done what he was asked and later did some research about it.

Was there an ordinance?  I got the impression the cop said "you can't wash your car in public view," leaving it open to interpretation as to whether that controls what you do on your own private property/driveway.  I think that's why the guy wanted a ticket, because he knew a judge would probably go WTF.  It seemed more like a case of selective harassment because someone from one of the nice houses on the street complained.


If the cop was accurately quoting the ordinance, he is incorrect. Simply being in public view does not make something a public place. That refers to things that may be public property but are open to the public, such as restaurants and grocery stores.
 
2013-12-17 11:04:09 AM  
Was that car really worth washing? It looked like the pressure washer would have demolished that POS in about 6 seconds...
 
2013-12-17 11:59:17 AM  
Why the fark do cops gotta respond to the most idiotic farking calls in the world, you have the police in places like Detroit telling people they won't come out for anything short of a murder but in other places every farking idiotic call HAS to be responded to? Tell the asshole neighbor to fark off and stop wasting taxpayer money or they will be arrested, you know this human trashbag is the type of shiatfarker who constantly calls the cops, if you are down to calling about some bros washing their douchemobile.
 
2013-12-17 12:01:58 PM  
I'm not 100% sure that was Boston, actually. MA certainly based on the accents, but the police vehicle didn't have BPD coloring, and the patches on that officer, while it was hard to see due to the shiatty video, didn't look like BPD patches. They were circular, BPD's aren't.

There are a number of cities and towns around MA which prohibit washing your car in the driveway. They make claims about runoff into the street, etc. I've been googling and can't find anything about not being able to wash your car in your own driveway in Boston.

/just sayin'
//could be wrong
 
2013-12-17 12:19:58 PM  

Headso: Why the fark do cops gotta respond to the most idiotic farking calls in the world, you have the police in places like Detroit telling people they won't come out for anything short of a murder but in other places every farking idiotic call HAS to be responded to? Tell the asshole neighbor to fark off and stop wasting taxpayer money or they will be arrested, you know this human trashbag is the type of shiatfarker who constantly calls the cops, if you are down to calling about some bros washing their douchemobile.


1) They have to go.

2) Because, what if?

3) Lawyers.
 
2013-12-17 12:25:11 PM  
Enforcing laws like this has to be why cops are always wanting to shoot people.  Makes total sense now.
 
2013-12-17 12:34:10 PM  

unchellmatt: I'm not 100% sure that was Boston, actually. MA certainly based on the accents, but the police vehicle didn't have BPD coloring, and the patches on that officer, while it was hard to see due to the shiatty video, didn't look like BPD patches. They were circular, BPD's aren't.


Boston itself is actually pretty small, it only has 600k people, I don't think a suburban street like that even exists in the city limits and if it does those would be some seriously expensive houses and the kid would be washing a better car.
 
2013-12-17 12:35:49 PM  
Saw this yesterday where the original video was saying he was being harassed by cops and it was in NY.  From what it turns out the cop was right as the full ordinance that was posted from someone living in the city it says publicly accessible.

Courts have ruled several times that driveways are deemed publicly accessible.  One side effect is that cops can place GPS trackers on your car in your driveway without a warrant as anyone can walk up to your car in your driveway, just like the Target parking lot.  Since the ordinance says publicly accessible and there is precedence they would likely lose fighting it.

As a side note, many cities have such rules due to the runoff of washing your car goes into storm sewers and thus untreated.  As the guy in the video says someone down the block does it all the time as most people don't care enough to report it.  However this guy and his neighbor obviously have issues and it's being reported.
 
2013-12-17 12:43:44 PM  

powtard: Enforcing laws like this has to be why cops are always wanting to shoot people.  Makes total sense now.


Selective blindness can be an ironically useful trait when employed in such incidences.
 
2013-12-17 12:53:55 PM  
Might want to replace the bumper cover before spending any time at all cleaning that POS. Thats the real crime here. Wasted time.
 
2013-12-17 02:19:41 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: Might want to replace the bumper cover


Why bother. Even with a new bumper cover the car is only worth about tree-fiddy.
 
2013-12-17 02:30:08 PM  

hutchkc: Saw this yesterday where the original video was saying he was being harassed by cops and it was in NY.  From what it turns out the cop was right as the full ordinance that was posted from someone living in the city it says publicly accessible.

Courts have ruled several times that driveways are deemed publicly accessible.  One side effect is that cops can place GPS trackers on your car in your driveway without a warrant as anyone can walk up to your car in your driveway, just like the Target parking lot.  Since the ordinance says publicly accessible and there is precedence they would likely lose fighting it.

As a side note, many cities have such rules due to the runoff of washing your car goes into storm sewers and thus untreated.  As the guy in the video says someone down the block does it all the time as most people don't care enough to report it.  However this guy and his neighbor obviously have issues and it's being reported.


So they don't allow car washes there, either? That's the part that I don't understand, how does anyone wash a car where you can't wash a car in a public place?
 
2013-12-17 02:49:44 PM  

ArkAngel: That refers to things that may be public property but are open to the public, such as restaurants and grocery stores.


Or a car wash... what a dumbass ordinance...

Mikey1969: So they don't allow car washes there, either?


Guess not...
 
2013-12-17 02:51:31 PM  
Oh! and in addition, GOD FORBID we a have people cleaning things in a public place!!!!!!

I am having a really hard time trying to understand the logic.
 
2013-12-17 03:02:11 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: The cop was being reasonable a'la "Hey, I got a call and this is what I've got to do" and even showed the guy the ordinance. The guy taking the video was acting like a jerk---why he asked for a ticket is insane especially after the cop wasn't planning to write one. The guy should have just done what he was asked and later did some research about it.


Pointing out that the specific law the cop quoted does not apply makes you a jerk?  Private property is not a public place.
 
2013-12-17 03:17:31 PM  
CSB time...

I once had a cop come out because the asshole across the street was a total busy body. It was around one in the afternoon on a Sat. and I was recording with my band in the basement.

I answered the cop at the door and he explained to me that they had received a report of loud noise. I, very nicely explained to him that the sounds we were making were much quieter than a lawnmower. He said that, in the past, they had got calls about lawnmowers too. He was super nice and completely knew the whole situation was bullshiat.

He then proceeded to hang out and shoot the shiat with us for about a half hour while we were all drinking (In full view of the neighbor). Good times. He had some great stories.

So, after that, I stood still in my front yard and ran the weed eater loudly for an hour while the rest of the band laid down tracks. That neighbor was such a bastard.
 
2013-12-17 03:47:32 PM  

hutchkc: Saw this yesterday where the original video was saying he was being harassed by cops and it was in NY.  From what it turns out the cop was right as the full ordinance that was posted from someone living in the city it says publicly accessible.

Courts have ruled several times that driveways are deemed publicly accessible.  One side effect is that cops can place GPS trackers on your car in your driveway without a warrant as anyone can walk up to your car in your driveway, just like the Target parking lot.  Since the ordinance says publicly accessible and there is precedence they would likely lose fighting it.

As a side note, many cities have such rules due to the runoff of washing your car goes into storm sewers and thus untreated.  As the guy in the video says someone down the block does it all the time as most people don't care enough to report it.  However this guy and his neighbor obviously have issues and it's being reported.


The ordinance in question:
§ 178-3Cleaning or washing of rugs, furniture or vehicles.
No person shall wash or cause to be washed, clean or cause to be cleaned, beat or cause to be beaten any rugs, curtains, furniture, tapestry, clothing or other like articles upon any sidewalk, public street, highway or public place within the village, and no person shall wash or cause to be washed any motor vehicle or like conveyance upon any public street, highway or public place.


Now, that is in a section of the code of ordinances pertaining streets and sidewalks.  Now one could make an argument that cleaning your vehicle in your driveway produces runoff into the street carrying all the dirt and contaminants which would then require additional cleaning by the city.

Its a weak argument, but seems that is the basis for the ordinance in the first place.  If judges are upholding that as publicly accessible, well that's what you get for living in that part of NY where the Nanny State is in full effect.

I'm guessing this also cuts down on all those mobile carwash and charity fund raisers to. Commercial ones probably get an exemption due to being licensed business.  (possibly ones paying the judges, just sayin)
 
2013-12-17 03:57:06 PM  

serial_crusher: Shrug, it's illegal to wash your car on your own driveway in Austin too.  Boston doesn't strike me as the sort of place to have drought problems though.


Ho Hum... plus, oil/anti-freeze/grease run off into storm sewers and then into the water shed... So, what else is this backward hick amazed about when he comes to the Big City??? Real live womins without their bloomers on?
 
2013-12-17 04:22:08 PM  

BubbaWilkins: this also cuts down on all those mobile carwash and charity fund raisers to


that's the real issue here.  What kind of world is it where I can't pay $5 to watch a high school cheerleading team wash my car?  It's just Unamerican.
 
2013-12-17 04:44:23 PM  

BubbaWilkins: hutchkc: The ordinance in question:
Its a weak argument, but seems that is the basis for the ordinance in the first place.  If judges are upholding that as publicly accessible, well that's what you get for living in that part of NY where the Nanny State is in full effect.

I'm guessing this also cuts down on all th ...



Don't get me wrong, I think it's BS as did the cop but there have been multiple rulings that driveways are public access and where they would get stuck.  The question comes down to would the judge go this is BS and toss it, or go along with recent decisions and deem them in violation of a stupid law.

Car washes are exempt because there are already rules where they have to clean the water before it is dumped into the storm system or filtered before going into the sewer.  I would assume charity car washes would be violation in that city as well, but we go back to where it's only enforced when someone forces the issue.

The city I live in it's illegal to have your garage door open for more than an hour, yet people do it all the time.  Nobody I know had ever heard of it until one of my coworkers got hit with a fine as his neighbor called the cops.  Everyplace has some silly laws that nobody pays attention to until someone wants to be an asshole.
 
2013-12-17 06:05:36 PM  
Here's the real issue, I will hazard to guess:

It is not illegal to wash your car in your own driveway. It IS illegal to run a car washing/detailing business on your property that isn't zoned for such a business.

"So I can't wash my car in my driveway?" That's not it, you can't wash his car and his car and his car and her car and their car and my car and this car and that car in your driveway. Ain't no way the cops were called just because they washed their one car in their driveway.
 
2013-12-17 07:14:45 PM  
That's not Boston. No one pronounces water as "warter" up here.
 
2013-12-17 08:14:58 PM  

LumberJack: Ain't no way the cops were called just because they washed their one car in their driveway.


Obviously you haven't ever dealt with a busy-body neighbor with too much free time.
 
2013-12-17 09:41:55 PM  

Headso: Boston itself is actually pretty small, it only has 600k people, I don't think a suburban street like that even exists in the city limits and if it does those would be some seriously expensive houses and the kid would be washing a better car.


Sure it does, even in city limits. Parts of West Roxbury look like that, ditto even JP.
 
2013-12-17 10:22:36 PM  
unchellmatt: I'm not 100% sure that was Boston, actually. MA certainly based on the accents, but the police vehicle didn't have BPD coloring, and the patches on that officer, while it was hard to see due to the shiatty video, didn't look like BPD patches. They were circular, BPD's aren't.

There are a number of cities and towns around MA which prohibit washing your car in the driveway. They make claims about runoff into the street, etc. I've been googling and can't find anything about not being able to wash your car in your own driveway in Boston.

/just sayin'
//could be wrong

Boston is fed by Wachusett and the Quabbin, but a lot of towns outside of the city are on well, brook, or smaller river watersheds.  They do have ordinances prohibiting washing cars and watering laws during the summer frequently.

That said, doesn't sound like the issue here.
 
2013-12-17 10:44:47 PM  

unchellmatt: I'm not 100% sure that was Boston, actually. MA certainly based on the accents, but the police vehicle didn't have BPD coloring, and the patches on that officer, while it was hard to see due to the shiatty video, didn't look like BPD patches. They were circular, BPD's aren't.

There are a number of cities and towns around MA which prohibit washing your car in the driveway. They make claims about runoff into the street, etc. I've been googling and can't find anything about not being able to wash your car in your own driveway in Boston.

/just sayin'
//could be wrong


Brookline I think.
 
2013-12-18 12:54:29 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Headso: Why the fark do cops gotta respond to the most idiotic farking calls in the world, you have the police in places like Detroit telling people they won't come out for anything short of a murder but in other places every farking idiotic call HAS to be responded to? Tell the asshole neighbor to fark off and stop wasting taxpayer money or they will be arrested, you know this human trashbag is the type of shiatfarker who constantly calls the cops, if you are down to calling about some bros washing their douchemobile.

1) They have to go.

2) Because, what if?

3) Lawyers.


There is no lawyer situation here. The supreme court has already ruled that the police are under no obligation to actually prevent crime. You can sue from one end of the Earth to the other about the cops not showing up when there is reason to believe a crime is about to be committed, and be kicked out of court every time .

Anything under a felony that aren't even required to show up AFTER the crime has been committed or while its in progress. These cops were either looking to shut up an annoying/well connected neighbor or the home owner had teed them off about something before and they were looking to shake his tree a little in retaliation.
 
2013-12-18 11:34:41 AM  
From the cop's comment that his Lieutenant specifically sent him, it sounds like a neighbor with a connection.

There are so many possible answers to this whole thing.

"We were having a water fight.  The car lost."

"Hell no, we weren't washing it, the dirt is the only thing keeping the car together."

"Washing the car?  No.  We were spraying down the driveway."
 
2013-12-18 12:12:04 PM  
This took place in Garden City New York, Geniuses.
 
2013-12-18 12:39:53 PM  
Courts have ruled several times that driveways are deemed publicly accessible.  One side effect is that cops can place GPS trackers on your car in your driveway without a warrant as anyone can walk up to your car in your driveway, just like the Target parking lot.

No. The driveway is usually considered curtilage, which means that officers need a warrant, permission or exigent circumstances to enter. This is especially true when the driveway is so close to the home. If the officer was there on non-investigative business, he's allowed to enter same as any other citizen, but if asked to leave, he must.

Also, police are definitely not allowed to place a GPS tracker on your car without a warrant. See  US v. Jones, 2012. In that case, the police planted a GPS tracker on a car in a public parking lot, one day after a warrant had expired. The Supreme Court ruled that to be a trespass to property, and unconstitutional. Again, that was in a public lot, not on private property, and certainly not in someone's personal driveway.
 
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