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(The New Republic)   You know, we're tired of going on and on about how the GOP are eating their young and are on the verge of a thousand year darkness within the party...let's talk about the Democrats having their own "terrible schism" within their party for once   (newrepublic.com) divider line 24
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2013-12-17 09:00:15 AM
7 votes:
I suppose if you're going to believe in a knockout game pandemic, sekrit muslins, Republican Free Market Jesus, a vast marxist conspiracy, false flag school shootings, a liberal plot to utterly disarm you, the UN overtaking the streets, FEMA reeducation camps, encouraged racism against whites, a hostile takeover of the White House by a non-citizen, a perfect version of American society that never existed, a homosexual agenda to thrust gay marriage upon you, lizard people, death panels, a 6,000 year old earth, a conspiracy to ferment terror about the climate, and a President that is both effective and utterly incompetent at the same time, then believing that there is a schism in the democratic party that will lead to its downfall wouldn't be that much of a jump for you.
2013-12-17 08:21:06 AM
3 votes:
At least the Democratic party's little civil war isnt resulting in a government shutdowns, and costing the nation 24+ Billion dollars.
2013-12-17 09:48:00 AM
2 votes:

Gulper Eel: Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left ...


You mean a bunch of people who have not been elected? This has always been the difference between the right and left. The left tolerates the whackos, the right runs them for President.
2013-12-17 12:36:16 PM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: Fart_Machine: Yes the right doesn't have any blogs that monitor Democrats.

/face palm

If they do, they're doing a shiatty job at getting their message out.


No they try their best, bless their hearts.  It's just that it's unfair to compare the goldmine of derp that is the current GOP vs the nuggets that Democrats drop on occasion.
2013-12-17 11:07:57 AM
1 votes:
The democratic party has always argued amongst themselves... it's called "debate". This is why they don't lockstep when they vote, especially in congress, like the republicans do. They think for themselves, and sometimes that causes dissent within the ranks. This is one of their strengths, the ability to have differences of opinion and to vote accordingly.

Their arguments have never causes any of the bullsh*t the republicans and their tea party puppemasters have pulled over the last decade.
2013-12-17 10:51:05 AM
1 votes:
When was the last time your heard the term "DINO"? That's what's different.
2013-12-17 10:42:36 AM
1 votes:
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

-- Will Rogers
2013-12-17 10:36:45 AM
1 votes:

thamike: Survey says he got put through the ringer for that one, same as everybody else.


Put through the wringer by Fark and by Slate, but plenty of others - looking at YOU, Huffington, Rolling Stone, Katie Couric and Salon - have given him free rein to bring the crazy, although six years later Salon at least decided to get a little bit embarrassed about having done so.

He's a crackpot, and the only reason the press gives him space to talk about nuclear power is because Kennedy.
2013-12-17 10:10:46 AM
1 votes:
Is someone trying to argue that being an "Anti-vaxxer" is a leftist position?

Is Michelle Bachman a leftist now?
2013-12-17 10:06:10 AM
1 votes:
Republican schism:
upload.wikimedia.org

Democratic schism:
4.bp.blogspot.com

Looks just as bad to me....
2013-12-17 10:05:17 AM
1 votes:

somedude210: A Cave Geek: The deflection attempts are getting rather blatant...aren't they?

Oh for fark's sake. WHAT DEFLECTION? Christ almighty, I'm agreeing with you retards that this isn't a goddamn schism in the same vein as the TeaTards trying to take control of the GOP. It's not even within the same dimension. I was saying that there is a clear rivalry emerging within the Democratic party between the Clintonian democrats and the actual progressives. To deny that there isn't something brewing as to where to take the party is just being blind to reality. BUT I AM NOT SAYING IT'S THE SAME GODDAMN FARKING THING AS THE TEATARD REBELLION


Touchy, aren't we this morning?  Look, The D's are indeed losing moderates for the same reason that the GOP is...The D's are simply (And only currently) better at keeping enough of the base around to maintain some coherence.  The D's have never been very good at uniformity.  That's the GOP's strength.  But the D's can function without absolute uniformity.  The GOP cannot.

I don't think there's really any 'schism' going on here.  The D's have always been less uniform than the GOP.  They make it work for them, where the GOP sees it as some kind of weakness...it's not.

FFS...go get some coffee.
2013-12-17 10:02:54 AM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: HotWingConspiracy: HotWingConspiracy: Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe.

The linked article says nothing like that. You're lying again.

And I hope it's not lost on anyone that you just made some crap up while disputing that people on the right make crap up.

Hmm...that's a nasty case of obtuseness you've got there. Gonna have to up the dosage.

The splashiest of NYSDEC's complaints are that cancer-causing radionuclides from spent-fuel pools, pipes and tanks have leaked into the groundwater under Indian Point and are oozing into the Hudson. The numbers do sound dire: up to 600,000 pico-curies of tritium per liter in some monitoring wells. That's 30 times the EPA drinking water limit, on top of 13 times the limit for strontium-90, an isotope that accumulates in bone; up to 100 times the limit for cesium-137. But because EPA water standards are extraordinarily strict-and because radiation is a much weaker carcinogen than most people realize-the contamination is actually pretty innocuous.

If you were to drink a half gallon of water containing those contaminants at those concentrations every day for 25 years, you would have a one percent chance of getting a fatal cancer from them, on top of the 20 percent lifetime risk you already face. That would make Indian Point groundwater roughly as carcinogenic as beer. Diluted into the immense volume of th ...


Their point, if you were to read it, is that the Indian Point Plant is the same design as Fukushima, and that we shouldn't renew the charter until any previously unforeseen problems are addressed.  The design was considered "meltdown proof" and while it was a serious disaster, the Fukushima incident demonstrates that they aren't actually meltdown proof.  How dare a local environmental group ask what would happen if a similar failure happened to an identical plant.  The nerve of wanting some reassurances.

And you still haven't addressed the fact that you're lying about these people getting appointed to positions of power among Democrats...
2013-12-17 10:01:12 AM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: HotWingConspiracy: HotWingConspiracy: Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe.

The linked article says nothing like that. You're lying again.

And I hope it's not lost on anyone that you just made some crap up while disputing that people on the right make crap up.

Hmm...that's a nasty case of obtuseness you've got there. Gonna have to up the dosage.

The splashiest of NYSDEC's complaints are that cancer-causing radionuclides from spent-fuel pools, pipes and tanks have leaked into the groundwater under Indian Point and are oozing into the Hudson. The numbers do sound dire: up to 600,000 pico-curies of tritium per liter in some monitoring wells. That's 30 times the EPA drinking water limit, on top of 13 times the limit for strontium-90, an isotope that accumulates in bone; up to 100 times the limit for cesium-137. But because EPA water standards are extraordinarily strict-and because radiation is a much weaker carcinogen than most people realize-the contamination is actually pretty innocuous.

If you were to drink a half gallon of water containing those contaminants at those concentrations every day for 25 years, you would have a one percent chance of getting a fatal cancer from them, on top of the 20 percent lifetime risk you already face. That would make Indian Point groundwater roughly as carcinogenic as beer. Diluted into the immense volume of the Hudson, those radionuclide concentrations fall to harmless levels far below drinking water limits.


Still not what you claimed. You're a liar.

BTW, I currently dwell a mile away from the thing, you're not schooling me on anything.

Read every bit of it to get the rest of the bases covered and fearmongerings debunked. Then return to   if you really need it, and you can explain how a leading environmental group issuing a dire warning entitled "Fukushima on the Hudson" isn't saying anything about a potential Fukushima on the Hudson.

Where is the part about " a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. "?

Are you really going to harp on the title of the graphic? Try to think big here - maybe, just maybe, they're pointing out what a disaster - any disaster - that affects the plant might mean for the surrounding areas and arguably the nation's most important city.
2013-12-17 09:56:46 AM
1 votes:
The democrats have always been a divided party.  The closest they've ever come to being unified was getting together and saying "how about we don't let the republicans destroy the country?"
2013-12-17 09:41:29 AM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: northeastern leftists


Some anti-vaxxers are leftists. Some aren't. Which has f*ck-all to do with which party is more anti-science.

And the battle over the safety of Indian Point also has f*ck-all to do with "leftists". That is, unless someone is actually enough of a moron to think Andrew Cuomo is a leftist.
2013-12-17 09:37:19 AM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe. To hear them go on, the small faults that exist everywhere on earth are no different from the subduction zone off the coast of Japan. But hey, at least they're just isolated crazies and gibbering idiots like that would never wind up on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, would they?

There is enough scientific ignorance among northeastern leftists to fill every Pentecostal church south of the Mason-Dixon line.


Sure, sure. How many candidates from this "neoluddite environmentalist left" actually get elected? Zero? Funny how that works out.
2013-12-17 09:33:09 AM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe.

The linked article says nothing like that. You're lying again.


And I hope it's not lost on anyone that you just made some crap up while disputing that people on the right make crap up.
2013-12-17 09:31:50 AM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe.


The linked article says nothing like that. You're lying again.
2013-12-17 09:07:33 AM
1 votes:
^ a-a-n-d thread.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-17 08:57:23 AM
1 votes:
Gulper Eel:

Is it that hard to keep track of when somebody like Maxine Waters is running her fool mouth?

Campfield. That's the dipshiat from Tennessee I was thinking of.


I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.  Or maybe it's because the crazy pants wing of the GOP is 80% of the party and Maxine Waters sounds pretty intelligent compares to just about any GOPer.
2013-12-17 08:54:10 AM
1 votes:

MrBallou: Also note that the Democrats don't have powerful shadowy figures controlling the factions from behind the scenes, with tons of money and huge dishonest propaganda machines, for their own nefarious purposes.


Goldman Sachs (D/R-NY) thinks you're adorable for thinking that.
2013-12-17 08:34:02 AM
1 votes:
I believe this "terrible schism" is what's called "dialogue" Subby, it's how adults do things.
2013-12-17 08:24:41 AM
1 votes:

Heliovdrake: At least the Democratic party's little civil war isnt resulting in a government shutdowns, and costing the nation 24+ Billion dollars.


True, but this is still a radical change in thought within the party, just without the dire consequences of the Tea Derpers trying to take over.

To argue that the Democrats actually having a push to move away from the Corporatists and Clintonian democratic ideals for an actual progressive economic policy is a massive change in it's own right.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-17 08:20:18 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, this is totally the same thing as the Tea Party.
 
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