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(The New Republic)   You know, we're tired of going on and on about how the GOP are eating their young and are on the verge of a thousand year darkness within the party...let's talk about the Democrats having their own "terrible schism" within their party for once   (newrepublic.com) divider line 103
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2013-12-17 08:14:45 AM
You know, we're tired of going on and on about how the GOP are eating their young and are on the verge of a thousand year darkness within the party...let's talk about

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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-17 08:20:18 AM
Yeah, this is totally the same thing as the Tea Party.
 
2013-12-17 08:21:06 AM
At least the Democratic party's little civil war isnt resulting in a government shutdowns, and costing the nation 24+ Billion dollars.
 
2013-12-17 08:24:41 AM

Heliovdrake: At least the Democratic party's little civil war isnt resulting in a government shutdowns, and costing the nation 24+ Billion dollars.


True, but this is still a radical change in thought within the party, just without the dire consequences of the Tea Derpers trying to take over.

To argue that the Democrats actually having a push to move away from the Corporatists and Clintonian democratic ideals for an actual progressive economic policy is a massive change in it's own right.
 
2013-12-17 08:33:25 AM
Why the right wing doesn't have trackers following the crazypants wing of the Democratic party the way Kos and ThinkProgress watch the likes of Bachmann and Gohmert and that farktard Tennessee state legislator whose name escapes me at the moment, I have no idea. Sometimes they'll note when Alan Grayson brings the stupid, but there are dozens of leftist congressmembers who haven't had bullshiat called on them in ages.

Is it that hard to keep track of when somebody like Maxine Waters is running her fool mouth?

Campfield. That's the dipshiat from Tennessee I was thinking of.
 
2013-12-17 08:34:02 AM
I believe this "terrible schism" is what's called "dialogue" Subby, it's how adults do things.
 
2013-12-17 08:45:15 AM

somedude210: True, but this is still a radical change in thought within the party, just without the dire consequences of the Tea Derpers trying to take over.


Yeah, it's called introspection, and it would only be labelled radical by an unchecked, unwavering, uneducated, dubiously propped-up and overfunded psychotic fringe wing of the Democratic party--which doesn't exist.
 
2013-12-17 08:46:02 AM
Also note that the Democrats don't have powerful shadowy figures controlling the factions from behind the scenes, with tons of money and huge dishonest propaganda machines, for their own nefarious purposes.

Otherwise, it's still nothing like the GOP's problems.
 
2013-12-17 08:49:21 AM

thamike: Yeah, it's called introspection, and it would only be labelled radical by an unchecked, unwavering, uneducated, dubiously propped-up and overfunded psychotic fringe wing of the Democratic party--which doesn't exist.


no, it's radical not in the "burn the bridges! KILL THE UNCLEAN" way, it's radical as in a completely different thought process than what is currently bandied about as policy. Christ are some of you getting your panties in a wad about this.

Barfmaker: I believe this "terrible schism" is what's called "dialogue" Subby, it's how adults do things.


first off, the headline is tongue-in-cheek at the whole idea that this is on par with the Tea Tards trying to run the GOP. Secondly, the schism is what the article calls it. So fark you.
 
2013-12-17 08:54:10 AM

MrBallou: Also note that the Democrats don't have powerful shadowy figures controlling the factions from behind the scenes, with tons of money and huge dishonest propaganda machines, for their own nefarious purposes.


Goldman Sachs (D/R-NY) thinks you're adorable for thinking that.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-17 08:57:23 AM
Gulper Eel:

Is it that hard to keep track of when somebody like Maxine Waters is running her fool mouth?

Campfield. That's the dipshiat from Tennessee I was thinking of.


I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.  Or maybe it's because the crazy pants wing of the GOP is 80% of the party and Maxine Waters sounds pretty intelligent compares to just about any GOPer.
 
2013-12-17 09:00:15 AM
I suppose if you're going to believe in a knockout game pandemic, sekrit muslins, Republican Free Market Jesus, a vast marxist conspiracy, false flag school shootings, a liberal plot to utterly disarm you, the UN overtaking the streets, FEMA reeducation camps, encouraged racism against whites, a hostile takeover of the White House by a non-citizen, a perfect version of American society that never existed, a homosexual agenda to thrust gay marriage upon you, lizard people, death panels, a 6,000 year old earth, a conspiracy to ferment terror about the climate, and a President that is both effective and utterly incompetent at the same time, then believing that there is a schism in the democratic party that will lead to its downfall wouldn't be that much of a jump for you.
 
2013-12-17 09:07:33 AM
^ a-a-n-d thread.
 
2013-12-17 09:10:07 AM

somedude210: no, it's radical not in the "burn the bridges! KILL THE UNCLEAN" way, it's radical as in a completely different thought process than what is currently bandied about as policy. Christ are some of you getting your panties in a wad about this.


Ah America, where a bunch of politicians trying to find a firm, focused resting spot for the common ground be labeled "radical."

Unless you're calm.  Are you calm?  Because I don't want to turn this into a "calmer than you" pissing match.
 
2013-12-17 09:14:29 AM

vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.


Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe. To hear them go on, the small faults that exist everywhere on earth are no different from the subduction zone off the coast of Japan. But hey, at least they're just isolated crazies and gibbering idiots like that would never wind up on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, would they?

There is enough scientific ignorance among northeastern leftists to fill every Pentecostal church south of the Mason-Dixon line.
 
2013-12-17 09:15:29 AM

thamike: Ah America, where a bunch of politicians trying to find a firm, focused resting spot for the common ground be labeled "radical."


It's radical in that it's a divergent change from the status quo regarding economic policy of Democrats (and Republicans) from the last 40 years. This is in fact a definition of radical and the definition of radical being used. Stop trying to make this "OMG THEY'RE CALLING THEM ECONOMIC TERRORISTS" crap
 
2013-12-17 09:19:02 AM

somedude210: thamike: Ah America, where a bunch of politicians trying to find a firm, focused resting spot for the common ground be labeled "radical."

It's radical in that it's a divergent change from the status quo regarding economic policy of Democrats (and Republicans) from the last 40 years. This is in fact a definition of radical and the definition of radical being used. Stop trying to make this "OMG THEY'RE CALLING THEM ECONOMIC TERRORISTS" crap


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2013-12-17 09:20:02 AM

thamike: somedude210: thamike: Ah America, where a bunch of politicians trying to find a firm, focused resting spot for the common ground be labeled "radical."

It's radical in that it's a divergent change from the status quo regarding economic policy of Democrats (and Republicans) from the last 40 years. This is in fact a definition of radical and the definition of radical being used. Stop trying to make this "OMG THEY'RE CALLING THEM ECONOMIC TERRORISTS" crap

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oh for fark's sake....
 
2013-12-17 09:31:50 AM

Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe.


The linked article says nothing like that. You're lying again.
 
2013-12-17 09:33:09 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe.

The linked article says nothing like that. You're lying again.


And I hope it's not lost on anyone that you just made some crap up while disputing that people on the right make crap up.
 
2013-12-17 09:33:44 AM

Gulper Eel: Why the right wing doesn't have trackers following the crazypants wing of the Democratic party the way Kos and ThinkProgress watch the likes of Bachmann and Gohmert and that farktard Tennessee state legislator whose name escapes me at the moment, I have no idea. Sometimes they'll note when Alan Grayson brings the stupid, but there are dozens of leftist congressmembers who haven't had bullshiat called on them in ages.

Is it that hard to keep track of when somebody like Maxine Waters is running her fool mouth?

Campfield. That's the dipshiat from Tennessee I was thinking of.


Maxine Waters and Alan Grayson are not presidential candidates acting as the face of the party.

Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are absolute nutjobs that will be front and center in 2016.
 
2013-12-17 09:37:19 AM

Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe. To hear them go on, the small faults that exist everywhere on earth are no different from the subduction zone off the coast of Japan. But hey, at least they're just isolated crazies and gibbering idiots like that would never wind up on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, would they?

There is enough scientific ignorance among northeastern leftists to fill every Pentecostal church south of the Mason-Dixon line.


Sure, sure. How many candidates from this "neoluddite environmentalist left" actually get elected? Zero? Funny how that works out.
 
2013-12-17 09:41:14 AM

vpb: Yeah, this is totally the same thing as the Tea Party.


^This

The Democrats Democrats and RINOs are arguing over how fast to spend us into bankruptcy. No real conflict there.
 
2013-12-17 09:41:29 AM

Gulper Eel: northeastern leftists


Some anti-vaxxers are leftists. Some aren't. Which has f*ck-all to do with which party is more anti-science.

And the battle over the safety of Indian Point also has f*ck-all to do with "leftists". That is, unless someone is actually enough of a moron to think Andrew Cuomo is a leftist.
 
2013-12-17 09:44:25 AM

MrBallou: Also note that the Democrats don't have powerful shadowy figures controlling the factions from behind the scenes, with tons of money and huge dishonest propaganda machines, for their own nefarious purposes.

Otherwise, it's still nothing like the GOP's problems.


But...but...but...SOROS!!!111oneevelentyone!
 
2013-12-17 09:45:52 AM

somedude210: Heliovdrake: At least the Democratic party's little civil war isnt resulting in a government shutdowns, and costing the nation 24+ Billion dollars.

True, but this is still a radical change in thought within the party, just without the dire consequences of the Tea Derpers trying to take over.

To argue that the Democrats actually having a push to move away from the Corporatists and Clintonian democratic ideals for an actual progressive economic policy is a massive change in it's own right.


The deflection attempts are getting rather blatant...aren't they?
 
2013-12-17 09:47:21 AM

qorkfiend: There is enough scientific ignorance among northeastern leftists to fill every Pentecostal church south of the Mason-Dixon line.


You explain the tea party's complete lack of basic understanding of the world around them, and we can discuss....
 
2013-12-17 09:48:00 AM

Gulper Eel: Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left ...


You mean a bunch of people who have not been elected? This has always been the difference between the right and left. The left tolerates the whackos, the right runs them for President.
 
2013-12-17 09:49:38 AM
So Chuck Norris was just talking about the Republican party?   In that case he nailed it.
i.huffpost.com
 
2013-12-17 09:51:37 AM
Yes yes the anti-clintonian upsurge within the Democratic party embodied by the election of Clinton dog Bill de Blasio. The business Democrats are running with their tails between their legs to chain some CPI.

Wake me when this schism is at least 40% less pathetic.
 
2013-12-17 09:53:06 AM

GameSprocket: The left tolerates the whackos


Tolerates?  More like tries to ignore them and hopes they'll go away.
 
2013-12-17 09:53:50 AM

Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe. To hear them go on, the small faults that exist everywhere on earth are no different from the subduction zone off the coast of Japan. But hey, at least they're just isolated crazies and gibbering idiots like that would never wind up on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, would they?

There is enough scientific ignorance among northeastern leftists to fill every Pentecostal church south of the Mason-Dixon line.


A) They don't sound completely insane.  They sound a little NIMBY, but that's to be expected if you live near a nuclear power plant.
B) The guy who wrote the second piece was a member of the NRC from 1975 to 1984.  You are being really misleading by implying that "crazy gibbering idiots" are elected for being crazy gibbering idiots.
C) Victor Gilinsky was appointed by Richard Farking Nixon

What the fark is your point?  Linking a Nixon appointee to "northeastern leftist" "scientific ignorance" seems really silly to me.
 
2013-12-17 09:54:15 AM

HotWingConspiracy: HotWingConspiracy: Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe.

The linked article says nothing like that. You're lying again.

And I hope it's not lost on anyone that you just made some crap up while disputing that people on the right make crap up.


Hmm...that's a nasty case of obtuseness you've got there. Gonna have to up the dosage.

The splashiest of NYSDEC's complaints are that cancer-causing radionuclides from spent-fuel pools, pipes and tanks have leaked into the groundwater under Indian Point and are oozing into the Hudson. The numbers do sound dire: up to 600,000 pico-curies of tritium per liter in some monitoring wells. That's 30 times the EPA drinking water limit, on top of 13 times the limit for strontium-90, an isotope that accumulates in bone; up to 100 times the limit for cesium-137. But because EPA water standards are extraordinarily strict-and because radiation is a much weaker carcinogen than most people realize-the contamination is actually pretty innocuous.

If you were to drink a half gallon of water containing those contaminants at those concentrations every day for 25 years, you would have a one percent chance of getting a fatal cancer from them, on top of the 20 percent lifetime risk you already face. That would make Indian Point groundwater roughly as carcinogenic as beer. Diluted into the immense volume of the Hudson, those radionuclide concentrations fall to harmless levels far below drinking water limits.


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Read every bit of it to get the rest of the bases covered and fearmongerings debunked. Then return to more dipshiat blithering if you really need it, and you can explain how a leading environmental group issuing a dire warning entitled "Fukushima on the Hudson" isn't saying anything about a potential Fukushima on the Hudson.
 
2013-12-17 09:56:37 AM

A Cave Geek: The deflection attempts are getting rather blatant...aren't they?


Oh for fark's sake. WHAT DEFLECTION? Christ almighty, I'm agreeing with you retards that this isn't a goddamn schism in the same vein as the TeaTards trying to take control of the GOP. It's not even within the same dimension. I was saying that there is a clear rivalry emerging within the Democratic party between the Clintonian democrats and the actual progressives. To deny that there isn't something brewing as to where to take the party is just being blind to reality. BUT I AM NOT SAYING IT'S THE SAME GODDAMN FARKING THING AS THE TEATARD REBELLION
 
2013-12-17 09:56:46 AM
The democrats have always been a divided party.  The closest they've ever come to being unified was getting together and saying "how about we don't let the republicans destroy the country?"
 
2013-12-17 09:59:36 AM
BOTH SIDES R  BAD!

/so vote humunculous
 
2013-12-17 10:01:12 AM

Gulper Eel: HotWingConspiracy: HotWingConspiracy: Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe.

The linked article says nothing like that. You're lying again.

And I hope it's not lost on anyone that you just made some crap up while disputing that people on the right make crap up.

Hmm...that's a nasty case of obtuseness you've got there. Gonna have to up the dosage.

The splashiest of NYSDEC's complaints are that cancer-causing radionuclides from spent-fuel pools, pipes and tanks have leaked into the groundwater under Indian Point and are oozing into the Hudson. The numbers do sound dire: up to 600,000 pico-curies of tritium per liter in some monitoring wells. That's 30 times the EPA drinking water limit, on top of 13 times the limit for strontium-90, an isotope that accumulates in bone; up to 100 times the limit for cesium-137. But because EPA water standards are extraordinarily strict-and because radiation is a much weaker carcinogen than most people realize-the contamination is actually pretty innocuous.

If you were to drink a half gallon of water containing those contaminants at those concentrations every day for 25 years, you would have a one percent chance of getting a fatal cancer from them, on top of the 20 percent lifetime risk you already face. That would make Indian Point groundwater roughly as carcinogenic as beer. Diluted into the immense volume of the Hudson, those radionuclide concentrations fall to harmless levels far below drinking water limits.


Still not what you claimed. You're a liar.

BTW, I currently dwell a mile away from the thing, you're not schooling me on anything.

Read every bit of it to get the rest of the bases covered and fearmongerings debunked. Then return to   if you really need it, and you can explain how a leading environmental group issuing a dire warning entitled "Fukushima on the Hudson" isn't saying anything about a potential Fukushima on the Hudson.

Where is the part about " a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. "?

Are you really going to harp on the title of the graphic? Try to think big here - maybe, just maybe, they're pointing out what a disaster - any disaster - that affects the plant might mean for the surrounding areas and arguably the nation's most important city.
 
2013-12-17 10:02:45 AM
For once? The GOP has been pushing that narrative since Romney lost over a year ago.
 
2013-12-17 10:02:54 AM

Gulper Eel: HotWingConspiracy: HotWingConspiracy: Gulper Eel: vpb: I think it's because the right would rather make crap up.

Come on by New York and listen to anti-vaxxer nutcase RFK Jr. and the rest of the neoluddite environmentalist left yammer about hydrofracking and insist that we have to close Indian Point because of the tsunami danger. Apparently a monster wave is going to materialize from out of nowhere, completely miss New York City (residents of the Rockaways beg to differ), and go 20+ miles inland, but this huge wave won't damage anything except the nuclear power plant that's one of the only structures in the area that actually was built with seismic precautions. This is what they actually believe.

The linked article says nothing like that. You're lying again.

And I hope it's not lost on anyone that you just made some crap up while disputing that people on the right make crap up.

Hmm...that's a nasty case of obtuseness you've got there. Gonna have to up the dosage.

The splashiest of NYSDEC's complaints are that cancer-causing radionuclides from spent-fuel pools, pipes and tanks have leaked into the groundwater under Indian Point and are oozing into the Hudson. The numbers do sound dire: up to 600,000 pico-curies of tritium per liter in some monitoring wells. That's 30 times the EPA drinking water limit, on top of 13 times the limit for strontium-90, an isotope that accumulates in bone; up to 100 times the limit for cesium-137. But because EPA water standards are extraordinarily strict-and because radiation is a much weaker carcinogen than most people realize-the contamination is actually pretty innocuous.

If you were to drink a half gallon of water containing those contaminants at those concentrations every day for 25 years, you would have a one percent chance of getting a fatal cancer from them, on top of the 20 percent lifetime risk you already face. That would make Indian Point groundwater roughly as carcinogenic as beer. Diluted into the immense volume of th ...


Their point, if you were to read it, is that the Indian Point Plant is the same design as Fukushima, and that we shouldn't renew the charter until any previously unforeseen problems are addressed.  The design was considered "meltdown proof" and while it was a serious disaster, the Fukushima incident demonstrates that they aren't actually meltdown proof.  How dare a local environmental group ask what would happen if a similar failure happened to an identical plant.  The nerve of wanting some reassurances.

And you still haven't addressed the fact that you're lying about these people getting appointed to positions of power among Democrats...
 
2013-12-17 10:04:19 AM
I thought the greatest schism between us libruls was whether or not we should call ourselves the United Atheist League or the Unified Atheist League?
 
2013-12-17 10:05:17 AM

somedude210: A Cave Geek: The deflection attempts are getting rather blatant...aren't they?

Oh for fark's sake. WHAT DEFLECTION? Christ almighty, I'm agreeing with you retards that this isn't a goddamn schism in the same vein as the TeaTards trying to take control of the GOP. It's not even within the same dimension. I was saying that there is a clear rivalry emerging within the Democratic party between the Clintonian democrats and the actual progressives. To deny that there isn't something brewing as to where to take the party is just being blind to reality. BUT I AM NOT SAYING IT'S THE SAME GODDAMN FARKING THING AS THE TEATARD REBELLION


Touchy, aren't we this morning?  Look, The D's are indeed losing moderates for the same reason that the GOP is...The D's are simply (And only currently) better at keeping enough of the base around to maintain some coherence.  The D's have never been very good at uniformity.  That's the GOP's strength.  But the D's can function without absolute uniformity.  The GOP cannot.

I don't think there's really any 'schism' going on here.  The D's have always been less uniform than the GOP.  They make it work for them, where the GOP sees it as some kind of weakness...it's not.

FFS...go get some coffee.
 
2013-12-17 10:05:27 AM

GameSprocket: You mean a bunch of people who have not been elected? This has always been the difference between the right and left. The left tolerates the whackos, the right runs them for President.


The left is cagier about such things, I will grant. Elected positions are a bummer. You have to keep running for re-election. You have to make contact with those filthy voters. Far better to be a nicely-compensated and little-scrutinized patronage appointee.
 
2013-12-17 10:06:10 AM
Republican schism:
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Democratic schism:
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Looks just as bad to me....
 
2013-12-17 10:09:31 AM
Schism?  What schism?  You have the centrists (80%), Blue Dogs (18%) and liberals (2%).  They vote their conscience (60%) or the lobbying interests' consicence (40%) pretty consistently.  They band together whenever the GOP does something monumentally retarded (70%) or do whatever (30%).

-Rand Paul, "How to Statistically Prove Nothing with Statistics"
 
2013-12-17 10:10:26 AM
I suppose that in the event of an utter defeat of the repubs (Democratic control of the House and Senate after the 2014 elections followed by retention of the White House in 2016 would qualify) and the complete repudiation of the radical right wing program by the American electorate, triumphant Democratic factions might start to fight over the spoils in the manner suggested by this article. First things first, however. Plus, the Democrats would have the salutary example of the repubs circa 2000-2006 to remind them why going overboard on a radical agenda is a bad thing.
 
2013-12-17 10:10:46 AM
Is someone trying to argue that being an "Anti-vaxxer" is a leftist position?

Is Michelle Bachman a leftist now?
 
2013-12-17 10:11:05 AM

BeesNuts: Their point, if you were to read it, is that the Indian Point Plant is the same design as Fukushima, and that we shouldn't renew the charter until any previously unforeseen problems are addressed. The design was considered "meltdown proof" and while it was a serious disaster, the Fukushima incident demonstrates that they aren't actually meltdown proof. How dare a local environmental group ask what would happen if a similar failure happened to an identical plant. The nerve of wanting some reassurances.


The only way there's going to be a similar failure at Indian Point is if a similar disaster happens to Indian Point and that just isn't in the cards - and even if it was, there would be a shiatload more to worry about than the nuclear power plant. New York City didn't even have a seismic section in its building code until 1995.

Personally, I'd rather a new nuclear plant replace it but nobody's proposing that.
 
2013-12-17 10:13:39 AM

Felgraf: Is someone trying to argue that being an "Anti-vaxxer" is a leftist position?

Is Michelle Bachman a leftist now?


When she says it she's rightly derided as crazy. When Jenny McCarthy says it she's blasted as an idiot.

When RFK Jr. says it...(sigh, swoon) let us all ponder once again the tragic majesty and noble legacy of Camelot.
 
2013-12-17 10:19:03 AM

Gulper Eel: BeesNuts: Their point, if you were to read it, is that the Indian Point Plant is the same design as Fukushima, and that we shouldn't renew the charter until any previously unforeseen problems are addressed. The design was considered "meltdown proof" and while it was a serious disaster, the Fukushima incident demonstrates that they aren't actually meltdown proof. How dare a local environmental group ask what would happen if a similar failure happened to an identical plant. The nerve of wanting some reassurances.

The only way there's going to be a similar failure at Indian Point is if a similar disaster happens to Indian Point and that just isn't in the cards - and even if it was, there would be a shiatload more to worry about than the nuclear power plant. New York City didn't even have a seismic section in its building code until 1995.

Personally, I'd rather a new nuclear plant replace it but nobody's proposing that.


We should be pursuing these:

http://www.gizmag.com/thorium-nuclear-power/18204/
 
2013-12-17 10:22:43 AM
MrBallou:   Also note that the Democrats don't have powerful shadowy figures controlling the factions from behind the scenes, with tons of money and huge dishonest propaganda machines, for their own nefarious purposes.

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