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(Talking Points Memo)   INSANITY. The Senate is going to pass a budget? Somebody get my fainting couch...and some fainting goats. It'll be the most logical thing to come from this thread   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 45
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2013-12-17 08:15:40 AM  
Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?
 
2013-12-17 08:29:24 AM  
I love how congress is trying to pretend that this is them taking a step away from partisanship and them doing something good for the country.  It's a two-year budget that ends right around the next election season.  This is them stopping the manufactured crises just long enough to fool stupid people into thinking something has changed.

I'll be impressed once they pass a 5-10 year budget.  That's the kind of thing we need for stability.  A new government program doesn't even get off the ground for two years.  Two years is not a "budget".  Two years is a long-term continuing resolution.
 
2013-12-17 08:32:43 AM  

acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?


It is the House budget. Which was linked to by the article, which was about how the Senate was likely going to pass the House bill, which was already reported on. Which, incidentally, is all available in that article that reported ZILCH on what was IN the budget.
 
2013-12-17 08:42:51 AM  
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is seen as wanting the bill to pass, if largely to avoid another government shutdown.

That's good!

But he isn't likely to cast his vote for it because he is up for re-election in 2014 and fending off a conservative primary challenger, Matt Bevin.

Oooh, that's bad.

But, notably, there is no indication that he is pushing GOP members to block it.

That's good!

But the bill contains potassium benzoate
 
2013-12-17 08:44:05 AM  

dr_blasto: acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?

It is the House budget. Which was linked to by the article, which was about how the Senate was likely going to pass the House bill, which was already reported on. Which, incidentally, is all available in that article that reported ZILCH on what was IN the budget.


BUT BUT BUT THE PRESS AND SUCH AS
 
2013-12-17 09:19:17 AM  

dr_blasto: It is the House budget. Which was linked to by the article, which was about how the Senate was likely going to pass the House bill, which was already reported on. Which, incidentally, is all available in that article that reported ZILCH on what was IN the budget.


How else will we stir up outrage and controversy if we don't do our basic job of reporting and omit key critical facts and details?
 
2013-12-17 09:21:32 AM  

acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?


The Ryan-Murray deal basically takes the continuing resolution we were operating under and formalizes it as a budget. There's also some minor changes to the sequester cuts. That's it. There's barely anything to report on because this budget doesn't really do anything.

It would hardly count as news except that Congress is so farked up that passing an actual budget bill is like watching a guy get out of bed after having been in a terrible car crash. Under normal circumstances it isn't interesting at all but since he's been in such bad shape it is seems like, relatively speaking, a miracle.
 
2013-12-17 09:23:08 AM  
So they're performing the bare minimum requirements for the job.
 
2013-12-17 09:25:05 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is seen as wanting the bill to pass, if largely to avoid another government shutdown.

That's good!

But he isn't likely to cast his vote for it because he is up for re-election in 2014 and fending off a conservative primary challenger, Matt Bevin.

Oooh, that's bad.

But, notably, there is no indication that he is pushing GOP members to block it.

That's good!

But the bill contains potassium benzoate


cdn0.sbnation.com

That's bad.
 
2013-12-17 09:28:57 AM  

acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?


Actually, what is IN the budget has already been reported on ad-nauseam.  The actual news story here, the thing that people didn't know until just now, is whether the budget would actually be accepted by the house or not.  So that's what they report on.

For reference, this took me all of 10 seconds to track down:

http://budget.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=364270
 
2013-12-17 09:29:35 AM  

odinsposse: acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?

The Ryan-Murray deal basically takes the continuing resolution we were operating under and formalizes it as a budget. There's also some minor changes to the sequester cuts. That's it. There's barely anything to report on because this budget doesn't really do anything.

It would hardly count as news except that Congress is so farked up that passing an actual budget bill is like watching a guy get out of bed after having been in a terrible car crash. Under normal circumstances it isn't interesting at all but since he's been in such bad shape it is seems like, relatively speaking, a miracle.


So nice of Patty Murray to give Paul Ryan the bipartisan cover he needed. One wonders what she thinks she got out of the deal.
 
2013-12-17 09:38:58 AM  
We need a Men Who Stare at Goats pic for this thread.
 
2013-12-17 09:43:04 AM  
I was promised goats.  WHERE ARE GOATS?
 
2013-12-17 09:43:38 AM  

qorkfiend: odinsposse: acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?

The Ryan-Murray deal basically takes the continuing resolution we were operating under and formalizes it as a budget. There's also some minor changes to the sequester cuts. That's it. There's barely anything to report on because this budget doesn't really do anything.

It would hardly count as news except that Congress is so farked up that passing an actual budget bill is like watching a guy get out of bed after having been in a terrible car crash. Under normal circumstances it isn't interesting at all but since he's been in such bad shape it is seems like, relatively speaking, a miracle.

So nice of Patty Murray to give Paul Ryan the bipartisan cover he needed. One wonders what she thinks she got out of the deal.


I'm going to guess it rhymes with gig hat daycheck
 
2013-12-17 09:48:12 AM  

qorkfiend: odinsposse: acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?

The Ryan-Murray deal basically takes the continuing resolution we were operating under and formalizes it as a budget. There's also some minor changes to the sequester cuts. That's it. There's barely anything to report on because this budget doesn't really do anything.

It would hardly count as news except that Congress is so farked up that passing an actual budget bill is like watching a guy get out of bed after having been in a terrible car crash. Under normal circumstances it isn't interesting at all but since he's been in such bad shape it is seems like, relatively speaking, a miracle.

So nice of Patty Murray to give Paul Ryan the bipartisan cover he needed. One wonders what she thinks she got out of the deal.


Wait, what do you think Ryan gets out of this deal? It's not like Republicans really liked the CR or sequester either.
 
2013-12-17 09:49:41 AM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

One order of fainting goats, coming right up!
 
2013-12-17 09:55:46 AM  

qorkfiend: So nice of Patty Murray to give Paul Ryan the bipartisan cover he needed. One wonders what she thinks she got out of the deal.


A budget increase of about 5% over what would have been budgeted.
 
2013-12-17 10:01:36 AM  

acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?


But I've read a lot of stories about the redemption of Paul Ryan, and how Boehner is demonstrating that the Republicans are the Serious Party again.

So that's nice.
 
2013-12-17 10:04:35 AM  

acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?


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2013-12-17 10:08:19 AM  
The Cool tag will be for when they decided to actually pay this bill they are incurring, rather than having another debt limit clusterfark leading up to Feb 7th.
 
2013-12-17 10:11:15 AM  

BMFPitt: The Cool tag will be for when they decided to actually pay this bill they are incurring, rather than having another debt limit clusterfark leading up to Feb 7th.


To be fair, this bill won't actually fund the government past January 15th, so we're 30 days away from the next government funding clusterfark as well.
 
2013-12-17 10:19:33 AM  
These shiatheads are practically spraining their elbows patting themselves on the back for this. IT'S YOUR FARKING JOB, ASSHOLES! Never mind the fact the the budget "deal" is a whole lot of nothing between two slices of white bread. Ten years ago this would have been SOP, today it's a major achievement heralded by angels. Fark you, Washington.
 
2013-12-17 10:28:17 AM  

odinsposse: qorkfiend: odinsposse: acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?

The Ryan-Murray deal basically takes the continuing resolution we were operating under and formalizes it as a budget. There's also some minor changes to the sequester cuts. That's it. There's barely anything to report on because this budget doesn't really do anything.

It would hardly count as news except that Congress is so farked up that passing an actual budget bill is like watching a guy get out of bed after having been in a terrible car crash. Under normal circumstances it isn't interesting at all but since he's been in such bad shape it is seems like, relatively speaking, a miracle.

So nice of Patty Murray to give Paul Ryan the bipartisan cover he needed. One wonders what she thinks she got out of the deal.

Wait, what do you think Ryan gets out of this deal? It's not like Republicans really liked the CR or sequester either.


This budget undoes much of the sequester in the areas where Republicans aren't in favor of it (to wit, the military). Ryan, personally, gets to burnish his credentials as the GOP's "Budget Wizard", the House GOP leadership gets to actually pass a "bipartisan budget" that is significantly to the right of any other recent budget proposal except the sequester itself and is a direct assault on Democratic budget priorities: "raising revenue" from corporate subsidies (mostly serving to gut green energy programs), increased federal employee pension contributions, and completely skips the unemployment benefits question, which means it won't be brought up again until after the midterms at the earliest. That's what the GOP gets - the Democrats enthusiastically (only 32 House Democrats voted against it) sign on to a budget that is comprised entirely of GOP budget priorities.

Additionally, the House gets to put the onus of decision and the blame for any failure on Senate Democrats. If the budget passes, the House gets the credit; if the budget doesn't pass, the Senate gets the blame.
 
2013-12-17 10:28:41 AM  

Serious Black: BMFPitt: The Cool tag will be for when they decided to actually pay this bill they are incurring, rather than having another debt limit clusterfark leading up to Feb 7th.

To be fair, this bill won't actually fund the government past January 15th, so we're 30 days away from the next government funding clusterfark as well.


I'm not overly concerned about the the Omnibus bills if we get this passed.

I'm just disappoint they aren't upping the debt limit to get us to the end of the FY, and will probably throw another hissy fit when the current one comes up.
 
2013-12-17 10:37:19 AM  
And in the process, making the Sequester permanent.  Either Obama knew this would happen, making him responsible, or he didn't, making him incompetent.
 
2013-12-17 10:38:58 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: And in the process, making the Sequester permanent.  Either Obama knew this would happen, making him responsible, or he didn't, making him incompetent.


At least for absurdly loose definitions of "the Sequester".
 
2013-12-17 10:39:20 AM  

BMFPitt: Serious Black: BMFPitt: The Cool tag will be for when they decided to actually pay this bill they are incurring, rather than having another debt limit clusterfark leading up to Feb 7th.

To be fair, this bill won't actually fund the government past January 15th, so we're 30 days away from the next government funding clusterfark as well.

I'm not overly concerned about the the Omnibus bills if we get this passed.

I'm just disappoint they aren't upping the debt limit to get us to the end of the FY, and will probably definitely throw another hissy fit when the current one comes up.


FTFY. I fully expect the GOP to try and take hostages with the debt ceiling again. I half-expect the first hostage taken to be a complete repeal of ObamaCare, even though at least a million people will be getting insurance through it and will instantly lose their coverage because of repeal.
 
2013-12-17 10:40:23 AM  

BMFPitt: LouDobbsAwaaaay: And in the process, making the Sequester permanent.  Either Obama knew this would happen, making him responsible, or he didn't, making him incompetent.

At least for absurdly loose definitions of "the Sequester".


The "temporary" cuts that are now institutionalized?  Yeah.
 
2013-12-17 10:47:58 AM  

Serious Black: FTFY. I fully expect the GOP to try and take hostages with the debt ceiling again. I half-expect the first hostage taken to be a complete repeal of ObamaCare, even though at least a million people will be getting insurance through it and will instantly lose their coverage because of repeal.


I think that getting their asses handed to them in October and knowing that doing it again will be like gift wrapping a Blue Team majority will make them think twice.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: The "temporary" cuts that are now institutionalized?  Yeah.


The funding levels are similar to that of the sequester.  The things that are actually cut are vastly different.
 
2013-12-17 11:10:58 AM  

BMFPitt: Serious Black: FTFY. I fully expect the GOP to try and take hostages with the debt ceiling again. I half-expect the first hostage taken to be a complete repeal of ObamaCare, even though at least a million people will be getting insurance through it and will instantly lose their coverage because of repeal.

I think that getting their asses handed to them in October and knowing that doing it again will be like gift wrapping a Blue Team majority will make them think twice.


I think you underestimate just how deep the GOP's hatred for Obama and ObamaCare runs.
 
2013-12-17 11:12:41 AM  

qorkfiend: This budget undoes much of the sequester in the areas where Republicans aren't in favor of it (to wit, the military).


It's about half defense spending increases and half non-defense spending increases.

Ryan, personally, gets to burnish his credentials as the GOP's "Budget Wizard", the House GOP leadership gets to actually pass a "bipartisan budget" that is significantly to the right of any other recent budget proposal except the sequester itself

I don't see how this can be considered a move to the right since it essentially is what we have now but with slightly higher spending.

"raising revenue" from corporate subsidies (mostly serving to gut green energy programs),

I can't find anything to corroborate this. The only thing related to energy in the bill is the Underwater Drilling cuts and I don't think those count as green.

increased federal employee pension contributions,

That is bad but it at least preserves current benefits rather than the benefit cuts Republicans have been pushing for.

and completely skips the unemployment benefits question, which means it won't be brought up again until after the midterms at the earliest.

True, but it doesn't address lots of things that need addressing. Like, say, the debt ceiling orinfrastructure spending. Because it just doesn't do much of anything.

That's what the GOP gets - the Democrats enthusiastically (only 32 House Democrats voted against it) sign on to a budget that is comprised entirely of GOP budget priorities.

Again I just don't see this. The GOP gets very little out of it and are being attacked from the right for letting any spending increase go through. The only thing that has changed significantly is that an actual budget bill would get passed instead of another continuing resolution.
 
2013-12-17 11:18:27 AM  
I was promised fainting goats. WHERE THE HELL ARE MY FAINTING GOATS!!!!
 
2013-12-17 11:45:47 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-17 11:49:34 AM  

Serious Black: I think you underestimate just how deep the GOP's hatred for Obama and ObamaCare runs.


I don't at all.  I just think they have enough desire for self preservation and they know that October was their last stand on the issue.  They knew that once the exchanges were open there was no turning back.
 
2013-12-17 12:02:13 PM  

BMFPitt: The funding levels are similar to that of the sequester. The things that are actually cut are vastly different.


So the cuts remain, but get shifted around.  Yay.  We still institutionalized "temporary" cuts.  Either Obama knew this would happen, making him responsible, or he didn't, making him incompetent.
 
2013-12-17 12:11:31 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: BMFPitt: The funding levels are similar to that of the sequester. The things that are actually cut are vastly different.

So the cuts remain, but get shifted around.  Yay.  We still institutionalized "temporary" cuts.  Either Obama knew this would happen, making him responsible, or he didn't, making him incompetent.


When the sequester was sold as a legislative tool, the idea was that the cuts would be so onerous that they would force a sane budget deal and never actually be implemented. To be fair, Obama should know by now never to take any Republican bargaining position in good faith.
 
2013-12-17 12:14:51 PM  
Senate? Meh. It's the House that would be the miracle.
 
2013-12-17 12:17:56 PM  
Subster, they passed one earlier, a giveaway to the Republicans I might add, and the GOP in the House told them to go fark themselves, we're riding this thing to Shutdown land.
 
2013-12-17 12:45:11 PM  

qorkfiend: odinsposse: qorkfiend: odinsposse: acanuck: Blah blah blah...absolutely ZILCH reported on what is IN the budget.

How farking useless is this so-called "Free Press" we have?

The Ryan-Murray deal basically takes the continuing resolution we were operating under and formalizes it as a budget. There's also some minor changes to the sequester cuts. That's it. There's barely anything to report on because this budget doesn't really do anything.

It would hardly count as news except that Congress is so farked up that passing an actual budget bill is like watching a guy get out of bed after having been in a terrible car crash. Under normal circumstances it isn't interesting at all but since he's been in such bad shape it is seems like, relatively speaking, a miracle.

So nice of Patty Murray to give Paul Ryan the bipartisan cover he needed. One wonders what she thinks she got out of the deal.

Wait, what do you think Ryan gets out of this deal? It's not like Republicans really liked the CR or sequester either.

This budget undoes much of the sequester in the areas where Republicans aren't in favor of it (to wit, the military). Ryan, personally, gets to burnish his credentials as the GOP's "Budget Wizard", the House GOP leadership gets to actually pass a "bipartisan budget" that is significantly to the right of any other recent budget proposal except the sequester itself and is a direct assault on Democratic budget priorities: "raising revenue" from corporate subsidies (mostly serving to gut green energy programs), increased federal employee pension contributions, and completely skips the unemployment benefits question, which means it won't be brought up again until after the midterms at the earliest. That's what the GOP gets - the Democrats enthusiastically (only 32 House Democrats voted against it) sign on to a budget that is comprised entirely of GOP budget priorities.

Additionally, the House gets to put the onus of decision and the blame for any failure on Senate Democ ...


Democrats voted for it because they don't want another governmental shut down, which is the only alternative.  The House is controlled by the Republicans, so, if you actually want a budget, you need one they will vote for.  Welcome to the real world, enjoy your stay.
 
2013-12-17 01:07:12 PM  
~~Concessions disguised as compromise

http://socialistworker.org/2013/12/17/concessions-disguised-as-compr om ise

~~In other words, the cuts are coming overwhelmingly in areas Republicans have long clamored for "deficit reduction"--as opposed to, for example, the Pentagon's bloated budget. And with every new "crisis" in Washington, the Democrats retreat some more, allowing Republicans to move the goal posts even further to the right.
 
2013-12-17 02:16:39 PM  
Seriously, let's just give the GOP the Senate and get it over with, since the Democrats are too spineless to do anything other than be GOP lite.
 
2013-12-17 02:21:29 PM  

odinsposse: The GOP gets very little out of it and are being attacked from the right for letting any spending increase go through. The only thing that has changed significantly is that an actual budget bill would get passed instead of another continuing resolution.


I tend to agree.  I think the big thing the GOP got out of it was increases in defense spending.
 
2013-12-17 03:23:39 PM  

edmo: Senate? Meh. It's the House that would be the miracle.


The House already passed it.
 
2013-12-17 05:20:48 PM  
Goats you say?
 
2013-12-18 05:33:55 PM  

neversubmit: ~~Concessions disguised as compromise

http://socialistworker.org/2013/12/17/concessions-disguised-as-compr om ise

~~In other words, the cuts are coming overwhelmingly in areas Republicans have long clamored for "deficit reduction"--as opposed to, for example, the Pentagon's bloated budget. And with every new "crisis" in Washington, the Democrats retreat some more, allowing Republicans to move the goal posts even further to the right.


Oh yeah, it's a complete cave-in by the Democrats in the House, simply because the Republicans pretended to compromise on issues that they'd already moved the goalposts on. Essentially, what we have is the Republicans clamoring for a human centipede budget, and a compromise where the House agreed to pass a single turd on white bread. Democrats are happy to get a single turd on white bread, because at least their mouths won't be sewn to anuses, but by all objective measures, it's still a shiat-sandwich.
 
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