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(Reuters)   After over 50 years, the Nathan Bedford Forrest High School will change its name to something that doesn't honor the Klu Klux Klan's first Grand Wizard   (reuters.com) divider line 102
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2013-12-17 06:18:16 AM
"African American Jacksonville students shouldn't have to attend a high school named for someone who slaughtered and terrorized their ancestors..."

It's kind of sad that a statement like that even needs to be made.
 
2013-12-17 07:18:30 AM
So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?
 
2013-12-17 07:34:32 AM

grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?


Or black kids either for that matter. I don't think George
Washington's slaves worked for him because he was such a nice guy.
 
2013-12-17 08:01:59 AM
I went to the University of Southern Mississippi. At one point, in an effort to compete with Ole Miss, they chose General Forrest as the mascot. General Nate, they called him.

The school is also located in Forrest County, which is named for the general.

I had thought that the mascot thing was urban legend until I was in Rome of all places and ran into a dude who used to be the mascot.

Weird.

/csb
 
2013-12-17 08:28:27 AM
Fark:  They are changing it to David Duke High.
 
2013-12-17 08:29:37 AM
Just shorten it to the Forrest High School.

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2013-12-17 08:35:22 AM

grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?


Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.
 
2013-12-17 08:39:21 AM

jaylectricity: grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.


Sure it was.  The hoods were just a fashion statement.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-17 08:45:39 AM
jaylectricity:

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.

It certainly was in the South.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-17 08:46:55 AM
Lucky LaRue:
Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.

Sure it was.  The hoods were just a fashion statement.


Washington wore a KKK hood?
 
2013-12-17 09:42:42 AM

jaylectricity: grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.


Acceptable enough for Harry Truman to be a member.
 
2013-12-17 09:53:14 AM
I've actually heard people defend Nathan Bedford Forrest by claiming that he organized the KKK originally as a fraternity for confederate veterans, without the intent of it being used as an organization for bullying blacks.  Most of these defenders point to his having ordered the organization disbanded when he felt that it was getting out of hand.  Now how much of that is true, and how much is Southerner apologist trying to redeem a fallen hero with BS, I don't know.
 
2013-12-17 09:54:01 AM

vpb: jaylectricity:

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.

It certainly was in the South.


Once you went Klan, the fezzes and little cars in the Shriners just didn't hit that sweet spot anymore.
 
2013-12-17 09:54:17 AM
They were just interviewing the superintendent for this district on NPR this AM.  It seems that this school was named as such in a counter-statement to integration.  Of course, the Daughters of the Confederacy lobbied the school board for this name, instead of what the students voted for.  Oddly enough, every time the board has voted to change the name of the school, every black board  member voted to change and every white member voted to keep it named after the clansman.  As recently as 2008.
 
2013-12-17 09:54:56 AM
Have they tried out RON PAUL as a name yet?
 
2013-12-17 09:56:38 AM

Lucky LaRue: jaylectricity: grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.

Sure it was.  The hoods were just a fashion statement.


Just like those red hats you see all the ladies wearing these days.
 
2013-12-17 09:56:41 AM
Nathaniel Bedford Forrest may have been a complete racist prick, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he was one hell of a calvary officer who enlisted as a private and was promoted all the way to general before the war ended.
 
2013-12-17 09:57:01 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I've actually heard people defend Nathan Bedford Forrest by claiming that he organized the KKK originally as a fraternity for confederate veterans, without the intent of it being used as an organization for bullying blacks.  Most of these defenders point to his having ordered the organization disbanded when he felt that it was getting out of hand.  Now how much of that is true, and how much is Southerner apologist trying to redeem a fallen hero with BS, I don't know.


Yes yes, I'm sure the poor General was a victim in all of this.
 
2013-12-17 09:57:26 AM

jaylectricity: grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.


They were the Heros in D.W.Griffiths " Birth of a Nation".Its unfortunate, but sometimes political correctness takes a coons age...
 
2013-12-17 09:57:52 AM
Political Correctness run amok!

/you can tell this is a troll by the correct spelling of "amok"
 
2013-12-17 09:58:28 AM
Either way, dude was a badass.

At Shiloh, he suddenly found himself behind enemy lines. From the saddle, he picked up a Union soldier and used him as a shield until he was safe then threw him away.

He hated him some blacks, but he was a hell of a General.
 
2013-12-17 09:58:36 AM
Lucky LaRue

"African American Jacksonville students shouldn't have to attend a high school named for someone who slaughtered and terrorized their ancestors..."

It's kind of sad that a statement like that even needs to be made.

It's good to have the name of this democrat removed from any place of honor.

It's a shame democrats were still honoring such men in this century.

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African American families shouldn't have a congressman and party leader who advocated (and participated in) slaughtering and terrorizing them.
 
2013-12-17 10:00:53 AM

jaylectricity: Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.


The Klan was definitely a socially acceptable organization during the early 1920's.  Membership was counted at 4-6 million members during this period.
 
2013-12-17 10:01:40 AM

jaylectricity: grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.


Look up the Klan march on Washington d.c., 1927 or so.

The answer is yes. In some places (not just the south) you had to be a Klansman to get a political appointment.

It was along the lines of the Elks or Rotarians - more a social order than anything else.

Were there murdering, lynching, dispicable, horrible klan orders? Of course. Just not most.
 
2013-12-17 10:01:46 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I've actually heard people defend Nathan Bedford Forrest by claiming that he organized the KKK originally as a fraternity for confederate veterans, without the intent of it being used as an organization for bullying blacks.  Most of these defenders point to his having ordered the organization disbanded when he felt that it was getting out of hand.  Now how much of that is true, and how much is Southerner apologist trying to redeem a fallen hero with BS, I don't know.


Also, the war of northern aggression was an ugly one. The south only lost because the yankees cheated. (yes I have heard these arguments. no I won't defend them)
 
2013-12-17 10:05:17 AM

jaylectricity: grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.


It was an influential political organization that could bring 100,000 members to march on Washington around 1900. I don't know their history well enough but they weren't always violent.  Probably racist the whole time but they didn't turn violent until after WW1. THey were popular enough to have Democrat William Byrd as a member and the Clintons and other self-professed anti-racist political people to attend his funeral. Not sure if the Obamas were there though. I don't think they were


Also George Washington COULD NOT get rid of his slaves. The ratification of the Constitution was hotly contested. It won in VA by TWO votes. If he had let his slaves go there is no way VA or NC would have passed it. Everyone who helped write and ratify the Constitution trusted George Washington almost completely and if he did that we'd either be under the Articles of Confederation still or small countries instead of the US. He did the best he could: arranged for every slave's freedom and good employment after the passing of him and his wife. Otherwise very realistically he would have lost VA and NY and the Constitution would have been sunk faster than the Oilers hitting the ice
 
2013-12-17 10:07:04 AM

lockers: Some Coke Drinking Guy: I've actually heard people defend Nathan Bedford Forrest by claiming that he organized the KKK originally as a fraternity for confederate veterans, without the intent of it being used as an organization for bullying blacks.  Most of these defenders point to his having ordered the organization disbanded when he felt that it was getting out of hand.  Now how much of that is true, and how much is Southerner apologist trying to redeem a fallen hero with BS, I don't know.

Also, the war of northern aggression was an ugly one. The south only lost because the yankees cheated. (yes I have heard these arguments. no I won't defend them)


Cheated?!
How?...Wha?...
 
2013-12-17 10:08:37 AM
Luckily - there is still the State Park...basically the Nathan Bedford Forrest Forest


Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park began as a local park constructed by the Works Progress Administration, a Depression Era work recovery program. Now, as a Tennessee State Park, it is home to the Tennessee River Folklife Interpretive Center and Museum situated on the highest point in West Tennessee, Pilot Knob. The center features the life ways and customs of folks on the Tennessee River including musseling, crafts, commercial fishing and more. Several videos on park history, Civil War history and river life are shown upon request. The gift shop offers a large variety of items related to the park story as well as Tennessee State Park souvenirs. The park contains more than 25 miles of hiking trails.

Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park was named after a Confederate cavalry leader, General Nathan Bedford Forrest. Although a controversial figure, Forrest is remembered by some as a noted military tactician of the Civil War. On November 4, 1864, he attacked and destroyed the Johnsonville Federal supply and munitions depot across the river at the mouth of Trace Creek. His operations were concentrated along the river in the vicinity of the park and the town of Eva. The area was designated a state park in 1963.
The park is located on Kentucky Lake where fishing is very prominent. Commercial marinas and public boat docks are located nearby and three boating accesses are available in the park at no cost. Fishermen may catch smallmouth, largemouth and striped bass, sauger, crappie, bream and catfish.
Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park features eight cabins overlooking the Kentucky Lake. Six cabins offer two bedrooms with two full-size beds in each room and full baths. One cabin is accessible to persons with a disability and is equipped with three beds and two accessible bathrooms. There is also one rustic log cabin located on a secluded ridge overlooking Kentucky Lake. The historic log cabin includes a full-sized bed, pullout couch, a wood burning fireplace, a full bathroom, full kitchen and a covered back porch complete with a glider and rocking chairs to overlook Kentucky Lake.
The park also offers three campgrounds, two of those being primitive. The Happy Hollow camping area has 37 sites, each equipped with tables, grills, water and electrical hookups. The second campground is primitive camping with 13 available sites. Water is available, but not at each site. The third campground is reserved for supervised youth groups such as scouts. It is located on Kentucky Lake near the park office.

For more information, please contact the park directly at 731-584-6356.



tnstateparks.com
 
2013-12-17 10:09:05 AM
So, what's next?  Change the history textbooks so they don't mention that NBF was the only Confederate general who consistently beat the shiat out of the Yankees at every encounter?
 
2013-12-17 10:10:25 AM

JohnCarter: Luckily - there is still the State Park...basically the Nathan Bedford Forrest Forest


Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park began as a local park constructed by the Works Progress Administration, a Depression Era work recovery program. Now, as a Tennessee State Park, it is home to the Tennessee River Folklife Interpretive Center and Museum situated on the highest point in West Tennessee, Pilot Knob. The center features the life ways and customs of folks on the Tennessee River including musseling, crafts, commercial fishing and more. Several videos on park history, Civil War history and river life are shown upon request. The gift shop offers a large variety of items related to the park story as well as Tennessee State Park souvenirs. The park contains more than 25 miles of hiking trails.

Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park was named after a Confederate cavalry leader, General Nathan Bedford Forrest. Although a controversial figure, Forrest is remembered by some as a noted military tactician of the Civil War. On November 4, 1864, he attacked and destroyed the Johnsonville Federal supply and munitions depot across the river at the mouth of Trace Creek. His operations were concentrated along the river in the vicinity of the park and the town of Eva. The area was designated a state park in 1963.
The park is located on Kentucky Lake where fishing is very prominent. Commercial marinas and public boat docks are located nearby and three boating accesses are available in the park at no cost. Fishermen may catch smallmouth, largemouth and striped bass, sauger, crappie, bream and catfish.
Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park features eight cabins overlooking the Kentucky Lake. Six cabins offer two bedrooms with two full-size beds in each room and full baths. One cabin is accessible to persons with a disability and is equipped with three beds and two accessible bathrooms. There is also one rustic log cabin located on a secluded ridge overlooking Kentucky Lake. The historic log cabin i ...


I half expected something like this:

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2013-12-17 10:12:05 AM

lockers: The south only lost because the yankees cheated.


watchesinmovies.info

They improvised, they adapted, they overcame.
 
2013-12-17 10:13:02 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I've actually heard people defend Nathan Bedford Forrest by claiming that he organized the KKK originally as a fraternity for confederate veterans, without the intent of it being used as an organization for bullying blacks.  Most of these defenders point to his having ordered the organization disbanded when he felt that it was getting out of hand.  Now how much of that is true, and how much is Southerner apologist trying to redeem a fallen hero with BS, I don't know.


Actually, that's true. Forrest left the organization when it began the actual terrorizing of the African Americans. He did found it, I'm not sure if it was just for confederate vets, but he did not intend for it to be like the KKK as we know it now.
 
2013-12-17 10:15:22 AM

MBooda: So, what's next?  Change the history textbooks so they don't mention that NBF was the only Confederate general who consistently beat the shiat out of the Yankees at every encounter?


Oh, no. We keep the names of losers and traitors in our textbooks. We just don't honor them with commemorative buildings.
 
2013-12-17 10:15:33 AM
Let's not forget that there's a cartoonishly-bad statue of Gen. Forrest off the side of a freeway in Nashville, right there for all to see. It's surrounded by rebel flags, too. What a treat to show off for passers-through from outside the area.
 
2013-12-17 10:15:46 AM

jaylectricity: Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization?


Among conservatives, yes.
 
2013-12-17 10:16:39 AM
The KKK started out with a noble purpose, to protect the women of the south. Not many of them had husbands left to do it, and there were a lot of desperate and opportunistic people - including suddenly free slaves who were completely unprepared for it. The KKK turned bad, and Nathan Bedford Forest disassociated himself from it when it did.
 
2013-12-17 10:16:42 AM
30+ comments in and nobody's pointed out that subby is klueless?

/it's not the  Klu Klux Klan...
//all y'all are slippin'
 
2013-12-17 10:18:19 AM

MBooda: So, what's next?  Change the history textbooks so they don't mention that NBF was the only Confederate general who consistently beat the shiat out of the Yankees at every encounter?


They still have Stonewall Jackson. But he's OK in history books because he was shot and killed by his own soldiers (due partly to his negligence when his soldiers followed his orders to shoot any man on horseback on sight) before the first Battle of the Wilderness

The man helped win the Second Battle of Bull Run when his soldiers ran out of ammunition and started throwing rocks on Union soldiers advancing uphill on his position heh. Of course commanding released prisoners of New Orleans and already cold blood killers made this job easier
 
2013-12-17 10:18:33 AM

MBooda: So, what's next?  Change the history textbooks so they don't mention that NBF was the only Confederate general who consistently beat the shiat out of the Yankees at every encounter?


And a general who refused to take black POWs? He was responsible for the Fort Pillow Massacre, amongst other atrocities. He should have been sent to the gallows for war crimes after the war.
 
2013-12-17 10:20:32 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I've actually heard people defend Nathan Bedford Forrest by claiming that he organized the KKK originally as a fraternity for confederate veterans, without the intent of it being used as an organization for bullying blacks.  Most of these defenders point to his having ordered the organization disbanded when he felt that it was getting out of hand.  Now how much of that is true, and how much is Southerner apologist trying to redeem a fallen hero with BS, I don't know.


That is partially true (from what I've read - he's a relative of mine).  It wasn't ever a "social club", it was always a "Political Action Committee", for lack of a better term.  It just wasn't all about running "The Blacks" out of the south after the war - they were trying to reverse a bunch of stuff that happened because they lost, and not wanting free slaves running about was one part of that.  When the anti-black thing became the all-encompassing goal (probably because that was easier than trying to get Congress to reverse itself on post-Civil War laws), that's when he wanted to shut the whole thing down, and "retired" from the organization.
 
2013-12-17 10:23:35 AM

dittybopper: lockers: The south only lost because the yankees cheated.

[watchesinmovies.info image 800x480]

They improvised, they adapted, they overcame.


No Lincoln finally found a general that would engage at any opportunity regardless of the losses because there were more Union warm bodies and guns than Southern ones. If he had one from the start the war wouldn't have lasted much longer than a year. All that they needed to do was fight Lee at every opportunity because come Spring they would have raised another army and the South did not have that equipment and recruiting power
 
2013-12-17 10:24:27 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: MBooda: So, what's next?  Change the history textbooks so they don't mention that NBF was the only Confederate general who consistently beat the shiat out of the Yankees at every encounter?

Oh, no. We keep the names of losers and traitors in our textbooks. We just don't honor them with commemorative buildings.


And of course, history written by the winners never lies.
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2013-12-17 10:25:53 AM
"Stupid is as stupid does,"
Chocolate?
 
2013-12-17 10:34:54 AM

jaylectricity: grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.


So treason and killing your fellow countrymen are normal activities, good to know.
 
2013-12-17 10:36:25 AM

lockers: Also, the war of northern aggression was an ugly one. The south only lost because the yankees cheated. (yes I have heard these arguments. no I won't defend them)


"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
-John Steinbeck

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2013-12-17 10:38:33 AM

grokca: jaylectricity: grokca: So English kids don't have to go to George Washington High?

Was the Ku Klux Klan ever a socially acceptable organization? Because what George Washington did was accepted as normal activity for the time.

So treason and killing your fellow countrymen are normal activities, good to know.


What do you think the War for American Independence was? Disgruntled British subjects killing other British subjects. Secession and abandoning political apparatus that is harmful to us is at the very core of the American tradition. I personally think that the back side of the Declaration of Independence is the most important where Jefferson outlines the long list of grievances against the Crown and Parliment
 
2013-12-17 10:47:15 AM

DeathCipris: lockers: Some Coke Drinking Guy: I've actually heard people defend Nathan Bedford Forrest by claiming that he organized the KKK originally as a fraternity for confederate veterans, without the intent of it being used as an organization for bullying blacks.  Most of these defenders point to his having ordered the organization disbanded when he felt that it was getting out of hand.  Now how much of that is true, and how much is Southerner apologist trying to redeem a fallen hero with BS, I don't know.

Also, the war of northern aggression was an ugly one. The south only lost because the yankees cheated. (yes I have heard these arguments. no I won't defend them)

Cheated?!
How?...Wha?...


They used real bullets.
 
2013-12-17 10:48:12 AM

Elroydb: What do you think the War for American Independence was?


A bunch of pikers who didn't want to pay for their own protection.
It was still treason no matter how you want to dress it up.
 
Ant
2013-12-17 10:57:52 AM

Sybarite: Just shorten it to the Forrest High School.


Forrest Whitaker Jr High
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"Charles, how you doin', buddy? Jr High looks great. I mean really terrific. You're really keeping it up wonderfully."
 
2013-12-17 11:05:20 AM

Elroydb: dittybopper: lockers: The south only lost because the yankees cheated.

[watchesinmovies.info image 800x480]

They improvised, they adapted, they overcame.

No Lincoln finally found a general that would engage at any opportunity regardless of the losses because there were more Union warm bodies and guns than Southern ones. If he had one from the start the war wouldn't have lasted much longer than a year. All that they needed to do was fight Lee at every opportunity because come Spring they would have raised another army and the South did not have that equipment and recruiting power


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- General Ulysses S. Grant, 1862.
 
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