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(MSNBC)   It's 2013, and at least two neoconfederate, pro-secession Republican candidates are running credible campaigns for U.S. Senate   (msnbc.com) divider line 154
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2013-12-16 03:24:09 PM  
Unfortunately none in Florida.
 
2013-12-16 03:30:00 PM  
Not only that, one of them is already polling ahead of the GOP incumbent Kay Hagan.

US politics is getting crazier by the day.
 
2013-12-16 03:31:08 PM  
You don't want to stay in this country, stay the f*ck out of our Senate you treasonous bastards
 
2013-12-16 03:34:00 PM  
Brannon won't even win the primary, let alone beat Sen. Hagan.
 
2013-12-16 03:34:06 PM  
"Neoconfederates".  I like that.

When I read that I think of racist steam punk enthusiasts, or Southern soldiers wearing day-glow spandex.
 
2013-12-16 03:37:42 PM  

sprgrss: Brannon won't even win the primary, let alone beat Sen. Hagan.


I know, the polls are too early to be meaningful.  But he is polling ahead right now, which in itself is scary.
 
2013-12-16 04:21:40 PM  
And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff
 
2013-12-16 04:22:50 PM  
You're mostly pretty cool, North Carolina, but Mississippi, you can feel free to secede.  We need someone new to finish first in being fat, lazy, stupid, poor, and racist.  Feel free to take some of your other politically masochistic red state neighbors too while you're at it.
 
2013-12-16 04:23:54 PM  
It's 2013?!

Oh Jesus, I've been using the 2012 wall calendar the whole time. This clears up so much.
 
2013-12-16 04:23:59 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff


People love horror stories.
 
2013-12-16 04:28:37 PM  
Everybody who would miss the state of Mississippi, raise your hand.
/Not you Louisiana. You only like Mississippi so you're not last in everything.
 
2013-12-16 04:32:23 PM  
He hails the late Sen. Jesse Helms - who died in 2008 without ever renouncing his support for racial segregation - as a "modern hero."
In October, Brannon cosponsored and spoke at a rally supporting nullification - the notion that states can invalidate federal laws at will - that was cosponsored by the League of the South, a secessionist group seeking "a free and independent Southern republic."


 ...


What's more, Brannon has already been endorsed by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.)


Shocking.
 
2013-12-16 04:32:31 PM  
Scary?

I thought many of you would be happy to see them go.
 
2013-12-16 04:40:54 PM  
Today I learned a new meaning for the word "credible".
 
2013-12-16 04:41:28 PM  
New thing:  If these guys win, anyone voting for them get put in an alottment of land and walled off from the rest of us.
 
2013-12-16 04:43:08 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff


I keep going onto conservative websites and encouraging them to primary out their saner members.

/rubs hands together
//Seems my diabolical plan is working.
 
2013-12-16 04:43:39 PM  
Thse guys would win in oklahoma.  This whole state seems to wish it could have participated on the side of the south.
 
2013-12-16 04:44:02 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You don't want to stay in this country, stay the f*ck out of our Senate you treasonous bastards


Yep... They hate the federal gubmint so much that they want to get elected to it...
 
2013-12-16 04:46:36 PM  

cman: Scary?

I thought many of you would be happy to see them go.


It's scary that there are still people like these men, and that they have enough of a following to be considered even remotely viable as candidates.

It's scary that a sitting U.S. Senator has endorsed someone with these views.

See? That wasn't so hard to understand...
 
2013-12-16 04:46:38 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff


You do realize that they are running against Democrats, right? This is a party that lost the election to replace Ted Kennedy's seat, losing their Senate supermajority. I refuse to underestimate the ability of the Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. That, combined with likely low voter turnout, means that the Republicans have a pretty good chance next year.
 
2013-12-16 04:47:04 PM  
Neo confederate, if you take the red pill then you will wake up in the REAL world, where the South won!
 
2013-12-16 04:47:46 PM  
And the scary thing is that they will win because gerymandering.
 
2013-12-16 04:48:20 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Thse guys would win in oklahoma.  This whole state seems to wish it could have participated on the side of the south.


They would have, if they had been a state.  They were so hardcore, they even had an American Indian become a Confederate general.
 
2013-12-16 04:48:36 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff


Let's not get complacent; the Democrats have a very tough battle ahead. The GOP needs six seats to take the Senate, and seven Democratic seats are up for grabs in states Romney won:

Alaska
Arkansas
Louisiana
Montana*
North Carolina
South Dakota*
West Virginia*

Three of those seven are retiring (marked with a *) and won't have the "incumbent edge" in fundraising, name recognition, and record, and so are more up-for-grabs than usual. Assuming both parties hold everything else (which seems probable; the only potential R-to-D flip I could see is Susan Collins losing in Maine) the Democrats need to win two on this list in order to keep the Senate, and that is far from a sure thing.
 
2013-12-16 04:48:48 PM  
Let the south go and good riddance.
 
2013-12-16 04:48:55 PM  

Saiga410: And the scary thing is that they will win because gerymandering.


I hate gerrymandering as much as the next guy, but last time I checked, at-large Senate seats weren't affected by it.
 
2013-12-16 04:50:34 PM  

soporific: Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff

You do realize that they are running against Democrats, right? This is a party that lost the election to replace Ted Kennedy's seat, losing their Senate supermajority. I refuse to underestimate the ability of the Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. That, combined with likely low voter turnout, means that the Republicans have a pretty good chance next year.


The only hope I give for Republicans is low voter turn out. However they are likely to keep saying incredibly stupid things that could help boost turn out. Either that or they'll pull something stupid. Shut down level stupid
 
2013-12-16 04:51:13 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: JolobinSmokin: Thse guys would win in oklahoma.  This whole state seems to wish it could have participated on the side of the south.

They would have, if they had been a state.  They were so hardcore, they even had an American Indian become a Confederate general.


Stan Waite was that generals name.

I had a buddy who lived near his memorial highway.
 
2013-12-16 04:53:47 PM  

qorkfiend: Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff

Let's not get complacent; the Democrats have a very tough battle ahead. The GOP needs six seats to take the Senate, and seven Democratic seats are up for grabs in states Romney won:

Alaska
Arkansas
Louisiana
Montana*
North Carolina
South Dakota*
West Virginia*

Three of those seven are retiring (marked with a *) and won't have the "incumbent edge" in fundraising, name recognition, and record, and so are more up-for-grabs than usual. Assuming both parties hold everything else (which seems probable; the only potential R-to-D flip I could see is Susan Collins losing in Maine) the Democrats need to win two on this list in order to keep the Senate, and that is far from a sure thing.


They have a tough road ahead but Republicans are doing their best to make it easier on them
 
2013-12-16 04:54:00 PM  
How is that minority outreach working out for you Republicans?
 
2013-12-16 04:54:14 PM  
I'm okay with letting a few of the more backwards rightwing states go their own way as that would make a different balance of power in the US Congress. It's funny that the rightwing states don't seem to realize that if one or two rightwing states leave the Union, that's handing control to the Democrats.
 
2013-12-16 04:54:34 PM  
Great, let's elect more people that want nothing more than the collapse of the government.  We'll get tons of "GOP compromise"TMthat way.
 
2013-12-16 04:55:07 PM  
It's 2013, and a party of proud racists is still full of proud racists.
 
2013-12-16 04:56:20 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: qorkfiend: Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff

Let's not get complacent; the Democrats have a very tough battle ahead. The GOP needs six seats to take the Senate, and seven Democratic seats are up for grabs in states Romney won:

Alaska
Arkansas
Louisiana
Montana*
North Carolina
South Dakota*
West Virginia*

Three of those seven are retiring (marked with a *) and won't have the "incumbent edge" in fundraising, name recognition, and record, and so are more up-for-grabs than usual. Assuming both parties hold everything else (which seems probable; the only potential R-to-D flip I could see is Susan Collins losing in Maine) the Democrats need to win two on this list in order to keep the Senate, and that is far from a sure thing.

They have a tough road ahead but Republicans are doing their best to make it easier on them


They are, for sure, but I'm having a tough time picking two states out of that list where I think the Democrats will win. If I had to, I'd pick Louisiana and Alaska as holds, but I wouldn't give better than 50/50 odds on either of those.
 
2013-12-16 04:57:15 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: qorkfiend: Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff

Let's not get complacent; the Democrats have a very tough battle ahead. The GOP needs six seats to take the Senate, and seven Democratic seats are up for grabs in states Romney won:

Alaska
Arkansas
Louisiana
Montana*
North Carolina
South Dakota*
West Virginia*

Three of those seven are retiring (marked with a *) and won't have the "incumbent edge" in fundraising, name recognition, and record, and so are more up-for-grabs than usual. Assuming both parties hold everything else (which seems probable; the only potential R-to-D flip I could see is Susan Collins losing in Maine) the Democrats need to win two on this list in order to keep the Senate, and that is far from a sure thing.

They have a tough road ahead but Republicans are doing their best to make it easier on them


What's the flip side? How many red seats are up for grabs in Obama-won states?
 
2013-12-16 04:59:13 PM  

Saiga410: And the scary thing is that they will win because gerymandering.


No, they'd win because of stupid people voting for them. Gerrymandering only allows those stupid people to pool their power to win elections.
 
2013-12-16 04:59:24 PM  

shroom: Saiga410: And the scary thing is that they will win because gerymandering.

I hate gerrymandering as much as the next guy, but last time I checked, at-large Senate seats weren't affected by it.


ALEC, the lobbying organization that's done so many wonderful things for America's citizens, is working very diligently to correct that oversight. If they're successful, the process of buying senate seats and avoiding all the uncertainty of getting voters involved will be so much more predictable.
 
2013-12-16 04:59:31 PM  
He claims that "all ten of [Karl] Marx's planks of Communism" - including the abolition of private property - "are law in our land today."

So he doesn't think he owns anything then...?
 
2013-12-16 05:03:07 PM  

cman: Scary?

I thought many of you would be happy to see them go.


Exactly. I see this as a good thing.

/Go! Take the other morons with you!
 
2013-12-16 05:04:51 PM  
Please. Please secede. That way we can just kill all the traitors and be done with this.
 
2013-12-16 05:06:16 PM  
They love the country so much they're willing to secede to prove it.
 
2013-12-16 05:08:07 PM  

qorkfiend: Peter von Nostrand: qorkfiend: Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff

Let's not get complacent; the Democrats have a very tough battle ahead. The GOP needs six seats to take the Senate, and seven Democratic seats are up for grabs in states Romney won:

Alaska
Arkansas
Louisiana
Montana*
North Carolina
South Dakota*
West Virginia*

Three of those seven are retiring (marked with a *) and won't have the "incumbent edge" in fundraising, name recognition, and record, and so are more up-for-grabs than usual. Assuming both parties hold everything else (which seems probable; the only potential R-to-D flip I could see is Susan Collins losing in Maine) the Democrats need to win two on this list in order to keep the Senate, and that is far from a sure thing.

They have a tough road ahead but Republicans are doing their best to make it easier on them

They are, for sure, but I'm having a tough time picking two states out of that list where I think the Democrats will win. If I had to, I'd pick Louisiana and Alaska as holds, but I wouldn't give better than 50/50 odds on either of those.


I'm actually holding out hope that the state I grew up in, NC, is going to be held by the democrats. From my understanding, people (even republicans) are *PISSED* at what the tea-party government has been doing in NC. If a tea partier wins the republican primary, they may very well be farked. I *am* fairly certain there will be pretty high voter turnout-one can but hope.
 
2013-12-16 05:08:44 PM  
It would be fun to see how high we could make the import export  tariffs.  Look what we did to Cuba. Mississippi could all be driving 55 Chevys - which would probably be a step up.  We would probably have to fight the great Mississippi military for rights to the river, but that fight shouldn't last long.  We could sell them an aircraft carrier and watch the home schoolers design the airplanes, that would be fun.
 
2013-12-16 05:08:56 PM  

Triple Oak: Peter von Nostrand: qorkfiend: Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff

Let's not get complacent; the Democrats have a very tough battle ahead. The GOP needs six seats to take the Senate, and seven Democratic seats are up for grabs in states Romney won:

Alaska
Arkansas
Louisiana
Montana*
North Carolina
South Dakota*
West Virginia*

Three of those seven are retiring (marked with a *) and won't have the "incumbent edge" in fundraising, name recognition, and record, and so are more up-for-grabs than usual. Assuming both parties hold everything else (which seems probable; the only potential R-to-D flip I could see is Susan Collins losing in Maine) the Democrats need to win two on this list in order to keep the Senate, and that is far from a sure thing.

They have a tough road ahead but Republicans are doing their best to make it easier on them

What's the flip side? How many red seats are up for grabs in Obama-won states?


Only one: Susan Collins in Maine, and she's probably popular enough to hold it unless she gets Teabagged in the primary. I'm not sure if Maine has open primaries, a "sore loser" law that might prevent Collins from running as an independent, or who she would caucus with if she did run as an independent and win; cman is fairly knowledgeable about Maine politics and could probably offer a better assessment than I can. For simplicity's sake I'm operating under the assumption that she'll hold the seat, mostly because she's not crazy.
 
2013-12-16 05:10:09 PM  

shroom: Saiga410: And the scary thing is that they will win because gerymandering.

I hate gerrymandering as much as the next guy, but last time I checked, at-large Senate seats weren't affected by it.


Gerrymandering doesn't affect Senate races which is why the Democrats have a majority in the Senate.
 
2013-12-16 05:10:45 PM  

Triple Oak: Peter von Nostrand: qorkfiend: Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff

Let's not get complacent; the Democrats have a very tough battle ahead. The GOP needs six seats to take the Senate, and seven Democratic seats are up for grabs in states Romney won:

Alaska
Arkansas
Louisiana
Montana*
North Carolina
South Dakota*
West Virginia*

Three of those seven are retiring (marked with a *) and won't have the "incumbent edge" in fundraising, name recognition, and record, and so are more up-for-grabs than usual. Assuming both parties hold everything else (which seems probable; the only potential R-to-D flip I could see is Susan Collins losing in Maine) the Democrats need to win two on this list in order to keep the Senate, and that is far from a sure thing.

They have a tough road ahead but Republicans are doing their best to make it easier on them

What's the flip side? How many red seats are up for grabs in Obama-won states?


I believe the only seat on that list is Susan Collins in Maine.  She'll probably win another general election if she makes it through the primary alive, but I think that's a big if at this point.  She'll no doubt get a tea party challenge.  My money is on her retiring a la Olympia Snowe if she faces a serious primary, and if that happens or if she's defeated, I would give a slight edge toward it going Dem.

Also, I don't think all of these seats are quite as dire situations as people are necessarily making them out to be.  I would write off Dayton (AR) and probably Begich (AK) at this point, but Hagan (NC) is still polling better than many would expect, and Landrieu has survived some deep shiat before.  WV is conservative, but still very much "southern Democrat".  Remember Joe Manchin won there rather easily.  Democrats have a shot there as long as they stay away from any environmental issues.
 
2013-12-16 05:18:42 PM  

shroom: Triple Oak: Peter von Nostrand: qorkfiend: Peter von Nostrand: And some people think that Republicans will retake the Senate. Good stuff

Let's not get complacent; the Democrats have a very tough battle ahead. The GOP needs six seats to take the Senate, and seven Democratic seats are up for grabs in states Romney won:

Alaska
Arkansas
Louisiana
Montana*
North Carolina
South Dakota*
West Virginia*

Three of those seven are retiring (marked with a *) and won't have the "incumbent edge" in fundraising, name recognition, and record, and so are more up-for-grabs than usual. Assuming both parties hold everything else (which seems probable; the only potential R-to-D flip I could see is Susan Collins losing in Maine) the Democrats need to win two on this list in order to keep the Senate, and that is far from a sure thing.

They have a tough road ahead but Republicans are doing their best to make it easier on them

What's the flip side? How many red seats are up for grabs in Obama-won states?

I believe the only seat on that list is Susan Collins in Maine.  She'll probably win another general election if she makes it through the primary alive, but I think that's a big if at this point.  She'll no doubt get a tea party challenge.  My money is on her retiring a la Olympia Snowe if she faces a serious primary, and if that happens or if she's defeated, I would give a slight edge toward it going Dem.

Also, I don't think all of these seats are quite as dire situations as people are necessarily making them out to be.  I would write off Dayton (AR) and probably Begich (AK) at this point, but Hagan (NC) is still polling better than many would expect, and Landrieu has survived some deep shiat before.  WV is conservative, but still very much "southern Democrat".  Remember Joe Manchin won there rather easily.  Democrats have a shot there as long as they stay away from any environmental issues.


I'm also curious about how many red states are going to be fights that could swing blue. I looked at some numbers and it looks like the retirees from this list won pretty handily last election so their support of a candidate could be very beneficial.
 
2013-12-16 05:19:40 PM  
I don't think 2014 is that big of a deal even if the GOP somehow takes back the Senate.  Obama's in the hot seat until 2016 so he'll veto all the stupid bills anyway, and since in all likelyhood the Democrats won't retake the house, even if we retain the Senate nothing's gonna get done.

2016 is the big year since all the 2010 TP Senators will be up for re-election, and since it's a Presidential election Democratic voter turnout will be much higher.
 
2013-12-16 05:23:47 PM  
Even if they take the Senate, it'll just be two years of VetoMania, and then another rout in 2016.
 
2013-12-16 05:24:17 PM  
The country has been needing to jettison several states ever since the Civil War ended.
 
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