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(Calgary Herald)   Canadian city debates whether public should have say in public art projects or whether artists should be paid to construct sculptures that look like a 20-year-old helicopter crashes without having to listen to any crap from taxpayers   (calgaryherald.com ) divider line
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2013-12-16 02:08:07 PM  
Nobody cares about politics in Canadia,
 
2013-12-16 02:08:41 PM  
I'm all for it. Giant, over-sized office products like push pins and paperclips are not art. They're just inflated rip-offs.

//likes something more realistic, like clocks sliding off canvas.
 
2013-12-16 02:09:35 PM  
It's not like they ever listen to tax payers anyways. Onwards with the shiat art.
 
2013-12-16 02:12:29 PM  
Seems like a terrible waste of already limited taxpayer funds
 
2013-12-16 02:14:29 PM  
The second one.
 
2013-12-16 02:16:08 PM  
If you leave an artist to work on his own, you may or may not get a piece a crap.

But if you bring public opinion into the creative process, you're absolutely guaranteed to get a piece crap.
 
2013-12-16 02:16:28 PM  
LOL i would love to see what the fine people of calgary come up with themselves.
 
2013-12-16 02:17:34 PM  

optimus_grime: LOL i would love to see what the fine people of calgary come up with themselves.


Sad, crying clown in an iron lung, on black velvet.
 
2013-12-16 02:17:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Seems like a terrible waste of already limited taxpayer funds


I've done the whole "public process" for art & architecture before. Some members of the public try to run roughshod over the artist and architect, while the rest of them never show up at meetings and complain when they hate the final product.

I've had to take an artist out for drinks after a particularly poor meeting in which a member of the public insisted that "no ugly people" be allowed in his art as there are "no ugly people in our neighborhood."
 
2013-12-16 02:19:22 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: optimus_grime: LOL i would love to see what the fine people of calgary come up with themselves.

Sad, crying clown in an iron lung, on black velvet.


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-16 02:21:00 PM  
I'm sorry subby, TFA mentions a "Blue Ring", this doesn't look like a helicopter crash to me. Not sure what it really looks like, but it would be an AMAZING helicopter crash, that's for sure.
www.advancedlistings.ca
 
2013-12-16 02:21:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-16 02:24:28 PM  
What public art installations that look like 20-year-old helicopter crashes may look like (Council Bluffs IA, heading into Omaha).

www.publicartandpractice.com
 
2013-12-16 02:24:51 PM  
Old man, in a park, feeding birds...
 
2013-12-16 02:26:02 PM  
I hope they go with the "pooling art money" idea Nenshi mentions in the video. I'm all for having art in public places, but installing it by the side of a freeway where it's really hard to get a good look at it is just stupid. IMO art is meant to be looked at, studied, pondered, not fleetingly glimpsed through the passenger window at 50mph.

Looking at you, Talus Dome.
 
2013-12-16 02:26:38 PM  
But seriously, ask the public to vote on art and you're gonna get a fat Jersey b*tch screaming at her friends and flashing her tits. On a loop. At least if you leave an artist alone and give them 10 grand you might get something not terrible.
 
2013-12-16 02:33:35 PM  
It is a little ridiculous. For example, me and the crew like to 'float the Bow' every Summer. We get rafts and kayaks, coolers full of beer and off we go. When they twinned the bridge over the Bow at Glenmore, they had to make new pillars to set the bridge on (durr). The first year the bridge was complete, we noticed something strange as we floated under the new structure. The base of the pillars are very ornate, like an exposed aggregate style with artsy symbols and shiat. I was thinking, how much extra did the fancy exposed pillars cost? Do my friends and I give a flying fark if we float past plain, concrete pillars? NOPE. Oh, and that blue ring is a major eyesore. Most artists are so far up their ass they can't see the light of day, let alone what looks good.
 
2013-12-16 02:40:06 PM  

Dhusk: If you leave an artist to work on his own, you may or may not get a piece a crap.

But if you bring public opinion into the creative process, you're absolutely guaranteed to get a piece crap.


A big, heaping helping of  this.

Public art helps humanize public spaces. It's one of the things that gives a city its soul. And the public is completely incompetent to offer an opinion on the subject until a piece has been in place for at least several years.
 
2013-12-16 02:43:01 PM  
 
2013-12-16 02:45:48 PM  
I say they just get some licensing rights and go with pop culture themes. Like a life-sized Millennium Falcon or Slave 1. How cool would that shiat be? People would stop to take pictures and it could become a tourist spot.

Then again, my city has stupid crap like the Bronze Fonz, so my perspective is quite skewed.
 
2013-12-16 02:47:31 PM  
The only good piece of public sculpture in America:

www.blacksnowcomic.com
 
2013-12-16 02:48:55 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: It's not like they ever listen to tax payers anyways. Onwards with the shiat art.


Actually, there are many citizens-at-large that serve on the board that approves public art.  you could be one of them and have your voice heard, if you actually gave a shiat as much as you claim to.
 
2013-12-16 02:52:39 PM  

vactech: Voice of Fire - $1.8 million
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x671]


What you are leaving out is that the canvas is 18 feet by 8 feet. It is an imposing work, creating the sense of power, intimidation, and awe, due to it's size. It creates the same sorts of emotional resonances that the pillars of cathedrals do, or Egytian obelisks, et cetera. Just because it looks ridiculous as a 100x800 pixel jpg does not mean it isn't a great piece of art. If you had ever seen it in person you would understand.
 
2013-12-16 02:58:58 PM  
Concept of a sculpture to go on a parking garage at the Milwaukee airport.  Thankfully, it never made it (though a little sadly, the artist died shortly thereafter).

media.jsonline.com
 
2013-12-16 03:02:29 PM  

Mouldy Squid: vactech: Voice of Fire - $1.8 million
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x671]

What you are leaving out is that the canvas is 18 feet by 8 feet. It is an imposing work, creating the sense of power, intimidation, and awe, due to it's size. It creates the same sorts of emotional resonances that the pillars of cathedrals do, or Egytian obelisks, et cetera. Just because it looks ridiculous as a 100x800 pixel jpg does not mean it isn't a great piece of art. If you had ever seen it in person you would understand.


http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1402.html
 
2013-12-16 03:04:38 PM  

Cotton Rinkenbolts: I say they just get some licensing rights and go with pop culture themes. Like a life-sized Millennium Falcon or Slave 1. How cool would that shiat be? People would stop to take pictures and it could become a tourist spot.

Then again, my city has stupid crap like the Bronze Fonz, so my perspective is quite skewed.


What the hell? That is a cool sculpture.

Try growing up where something like this is installed by the town:

www.burgesshilluncovered.co.uk

/Gorilla not included as standard
 
2013-12-16 03:05:53 PM  

vactech: Voice of Fire - $1.8 million
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x671]


Oooh, I remember when that first came out.  We had many field trips to visit it.  The gallery guide, Claude, told us to lie down and squint up at it - you're supposed to be able to see flickering fire along the edges of the stripes.  Yeah.

I really am all for public art and architecture but so much contemporary art is just a circle jerk of theory and pretension without any real connection to the viewer.
 
2013-12-16 03:07:07 PM  

Mouldy Squid: vactech: Voice of Fire - $1.8 million
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x671]

What you are leaving out is that the canvas is 18 feet by 8 feet. It is an imposing work, creating the sense of power, intimidation, and awe, due to it's size. It creates the same sorts of emotional resonances that the pillars of cathedrals do, or Egytian obelisks, et cetera. Just because it looks ridiculous as a 100x800 pixel jpg does not mean it isn't a great piece of art. If you had ever seen it in person you would understand.


Don't know which art school you went to, but I need at least 32 feet to achieve proper emotional resonance.
Formulas that determine the allowable span and size of a painting rely on a host of variables like species, grade, size, deflection limit and type of paint used. You can do these calculations yourself or you can use span tables. Art experts have computed many combinations of these variables and present a variety of solutions in the form of span tables to achieve proper Egytian obelisk significance.

//I do believe I saw this in '98 in Ottawa
 
2013-12-16 03:08:28 PM  
By the way, can anyone confirm that Canada actually has any artists?
 
2013-12-16 03:16:35 PM  

BMulligan: Public art helps humanize public spaces. It's one of the things that gives a city its soul. And the public is completely incompetent to offer an opinion on the subject until a piece has been in place for at least several years.


This has been my experience as well.

i.imgur.com


What the "public" contribution to public art might look like in dramatized fashion.
 
2013-12-16 03:20:51 PM  

BMulligan: By the way, can anyone confirm that Canada actually has any artists?


Says the person from the city that gave the world Grunge and Starbucks!

Snert!
 
2013-12-16 03:23:07 PM  

Snowrise: The only good piece of public sculpture in America:


And a brilliantly suited one, to be sure. Between the raw power of Joe Louis's fist and the lubricative properties of vegetable shortening, they'll ease themselves though this bankruptcy.
 
2013-12-16 03:30:10 PM  
How about, ten years after a publicly-funded artwork is installed in a city, residents vote on whether to keep it or replace it.

It's not rocket science. Some things are perceived as ugly at first but grow on people, while some things are ugly for all time. I think a decade is long enough to figure that out.
 
2013-12-16 03:44:01 PM  

John the Magnificent: BMulligan: By the way, can anyone confirm that Canada actually has any artists?

Says the person from the city that gave the world Grunge and Starbucks!

Snert!


And the expression "skid road." Please don't forget that.
 
2013-12-16 03:46:33 PM  

Cotton Rinkenbolts: I say they just get some licensing rights and go with pop culture themes. Like a life-sized Millennium Falcon or Slave 1. How cool would that shiat be? People would stop to take pictures and it could become a tourist spot.

Then again, my city has stupid crap like the Bronze Fonz, so my perspective is quite skewed.


www.roadsideattractions.ca
 
2013-12-16 03:49:00 PM  

unyon: Cotton Rinkenbolts: I say they just get some licensing rights and go with pop culture themes. Like a life-sized Millennium Falcon or Slave 1. How cool would that shiat be? People would stop to take pictures and it could become a tourist spot.

Then again, my city has stupid crap like the Bronze Fonz, so my perspective is quite skewed.

[www.roadsideattractions.ca image 655x295]


There is always this.
 
2013-12-16 04:00:39 PM  
Some public art from my town:

www.slrobertson.com

www.celebratebig.com

www.richbeyersculpture.com
newtoseattle.files.wordpress.com

farm1.static.flickr.com

katerinahawley.com
 
2013-12-16 05:47:53 PM  
". . . a . . . crashes . . . "

wtf  grammar nazis, you guys are slippin
 
2013-12-16 10:42:43 PM  
I'm all for the latter.

When you undertake a work of art, you have to trust the vision of the artist.

That said, the town I live in is currently having a public art controversy. The powers that be want to put in a sculpture giant roll of film to "commemorate our western film heritage". Half the public hates it because they hate any public art. Half of those that are left hate it because it's basically the urban equivalent of buying a print at the Pottery Barn. It's a decoration, not art.

arts.santa-clarita.com
 
2013-12-17 12:07:49 AM  
Blue Ring isn't as bad as San Jose's Qeutzalpoopl

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-17 01:07:49 AM  

vactech: Voice of Fire - $1.8 million
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x671]


In the National Gallery's defense, from a purely financial viewpoint, that was a fantastic investment. This small ping pong table by Barnett Newman recently sold for $43.8M.
 
2013-12-17 05:58:25 AM  
picturinganchorage.files.wordpress.com

Public art outside of the museum in Anchorage.  Otherwise known as "Guy shiatting in the parking lot".
 
2013-12-17 06:37:06 AM  
We have this shiat in my town.   http://www.dal.ca/news/2008/06/06/marine.html
 
2013-12-17 07:44:11 AM  
It's not art unless it's sold on cheap canvas at Bed, Bath, and Beyond.
 
2013-12-17 12:28:52 PM  
Sonuva... I knew it was Calgary before I looked left and saw the source.
Sigh.
 
2013-12-17 12:37:20 PM  
By the way, Edmonton (3 hr north of Calgary) has the Talus Dome, a giant pile of metal balls... And even that looks more interesting than this.
 
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