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2013-12-16 02:55:43 PM
First time this year Benoit Pouliot hasn't been completely worthless.
 
2013-12-16 02:58:25 PM
I didn't realize that "shootouts in hockey suck". I always liked them, subs...
 
2013-12-16 03:00:26 PM
I'd like it if baseball had home run derby instead of extra innings. That doesn't mean they should, though.
 
2013-12-16 03:05:06 PM
AS TFA points out, we've already seen that goal before, subby.

Weak green.
 
2013-12-16 03:05:14 PM

Mikey1969: I didn't realize that "shootouts in hockey suck". I always liked them, subs...


This, bonus hockey is fun and very exciting in the playoffs, in the regular season.....not so much.   Maybe make it 8 minutes instead of 5 but the shootout is a good way to end regular season games.
 
2013-12-16 03:06:58 PM
 
2013-12-16 03:13:27 PM
While Subby is taling out his/her ass, that WAS a nifty goal.
 
2013-12-16 03:30:46 PM
I think fancy shootout goals make the shootout more ridiculous
 
2013-12-16 03:33:20 PM
If this is the 1st time you ever saw someone score "that" goal...you don't watch enough hockey.
 
2013-12-16 03:58:52 PM

Kentucky Fried Children: The Great Eight would like a word...


That Ovechkin roll-on-the-ice goal is mind-blowing.
 
2013-12-16 04:11:03 PM
Betcha the goalie was thinking after that shot, "Balls..."
 
2013-12-16 04:13:53 PM

Kentucky Fried Children: The Great Eight would like a word...



Apparently you've never seen Pavel Datsyuk play.
 
2013-12-16 04:18:09 PM
Kucherov did the same thing a few nights ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzlP9XhCJiU
 
2013-12-16 04:22:20 PM

ElwoodCuse: I'd like it if baseball had home run derby instead of extra innings. That doesn't mean they should, though.


They bloody should. any shiatters on each team (DH banned in the AL version) against eachother, one whack each, sudden death if tied after 5.

/just like penalties
//farking HATE penalties :D
 
2013-12-16 04:47:11 PM
 
2013-12-16 04:51:59 PM

sephjnr: ElwoodCuse: I'd like it if baseball had home run derby instead of extra innings. That doesn't mean they should, though.

They bloody should. any shiatters on each team (DH banned in the AL version) against eachother, one whack each, sudden death if tied after 5.

/just like penalties
//farking HATE penalties :D


five hitters, dangit
 
2013-12-16 04:52:57 PM

sephjnr: ElwoodCuse: I'd like it if baseball had home run derby instead of extra innings. That doesn't mean they should, though.

They bloody should. any shiatters on each team (DH banned in the AL version) against eachother, one whack each, sudden death if tied after 5.

/just like penalties
//farking HATE penalties :D


Love the filter pwnage
 
2013-12-16 05:05:08 PM
 
2013-12-16 05:08:17 PM

Bruce Campbell: Kucherov did the same thing a few nights ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzlP9XhCJiU


Ah, but Kucherov doesn't play for an actual hockey team.  Just Tampa Bay.  It'd be different if he played for an NHL team: New York Rags, Philly, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Boston, or Chicago.  One of the Original 8.

Florida doesn't have any real hockey teams.  Just like California or Arizona or Texas.
 
2013-12-16 05:21:46 PM

FightDirector: Bruce Campbell: Kucherov did the same thing a few nights ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzlP9XhCJiU

Ah, but Kucherov doesn't play for an actual hockey team.  Just Tampa Bay.  It'd be different if he played for an NHL team: New York Rags, Philly, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Boston, or Chicago.  One of the Original 8.


[quizzicaldog.jpg]

Florida doesn't have any real hockey teams.  Just like California or Arizona or Texas.

1/10
 
2013-12-16 05:23:12 PM
This move is done almost every week and has been pedestrian for a looooong time...
 
2013-12-16 05:26:13 PM

Banned on the Run: FightDirector: Bruce Campbell: Kucherov did the same thing a few nights ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzlP9XhCJiU

Ah, but Kucherov doesn't play for an actual hockey team.  Just Tampa Bay.  It'd be different if he played for an NHL team: New York Rags, Philly, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Boston, or Chicago.  One of the Original 8.

[quizzicaldog.jpg]

Florida doesn't have any real hockey teams.  Just like California or Arizona or Texas.

1/10


Sorry - I was channeling an NBC scheduling executive for a moment there.
 
2013-12-16 05:28:37 PM

Mikey1969: I didn't realize that "shootouts in hockey suck". I always liked them, subs...


I think we found Basketball Lawyer's Fark handle...
 
2013-12-16 05:51:24 PM

FightDirector: Banned on the Run: FightDirector: Bruce Campbell: Kucherov did the same thing a few nights ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzlP9XhCJiU

Ah, but Kucherov doesn't play for an actual hockey team.  Just Tampa Bay.  It'd be different if he played for an NHL team: New York Rags, Philly, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Boston, or Chicago.  One of the Original 8.

[quizzicaldog.jpg]

Florida doesn't have any real hockey teams.  Just like California or Arizona or Texas.

1/10

Sorry - I was channeling an NBC scheduling executive for a moment there.


I figured you had to be a big PHI or PIT fan, but I couldn't figure out why you'd have both.
 
2013-12-16 05:54:14 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Mikey1969: I didn't realize that "shootouts in hockey suck". I always liked them, subs...

This, bonus hockey is fun and very exciting in the playoffs, in the regular season.....not so much.   Maybe make it 8 minutes instead of 5 but the shootout is a good way to end regular season games.


All sports should endeavour to end the game under standard rules. But if you decide that that is not possible, sometimes a reasonable alternative can be found.

MLB is fine with occasional games lasting 18 and it is the ideal situation. Play like normal until somebody wins.

In the NHL, I would prefer a period of standard play before moving into sudden death.

Also, if you lose you should get nothing.
 
2013-12-16 06:00:25 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Mikey1969: I didn't realize that "shootouts in hockey suck". I always liked them, subs...

This, bonus hockey is fun and very exciting in the playoffs, in the regular season.....not so much.   Maybe make it 8 minutes instead of 5 but the shootout is a good way to end regular season games.


Pretty sure the 8 minute idea is on the agenda very soon as the league wants the extra point to be in a game like situation. Majority fans I'd say don't like it but are still decent sized group that do.  Goalies for one despise it.  And the players who only attempt if it goes past the first few rounds as well don't particularly like it as they aren't that comfortable and don't do it a lot. Bit self conscious out there alone, like the 10 round shootout from last week.
 
2013-12-16 06:13:40 PM

FightDirector: Banned on the Run: FightDirector: Bruce Campbell: Kucherov did the same thing a few nights ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzlP9XhCJiU

Ah, but Kucherov doesn't play for an actual hockey team.  Just Tampa Bay.  It'd be different if he played for an NHL team: New York Rags, Philly, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Boston, or Chicago.  One of the Original 8.

[quizzicaldog.jpg]

Florida doesn't have any real hockey teams.  Just like California or Arizona or Texas.

1/10

Sorry - I was channeling an NBC scheduling executive for a moment there.



OK, now that's funny.
 
2013-12-16 06:23:03 PM

dywed88: In the NHL, I would prefer a period of standard play before moving into sudden death.


There are three periods of standard play before moving into sudden death. Seems like plenty.

/MLB's "solution" is awful unless you suck enough at life that you want to never have any idea when the stupid-ass game you went to is going to end
 
2013-12-16 06:24:18 PM
Never had a problem with the shoot out...

I didn't see the need for it, as I kind of liked ties too, but there you go.
 
2013-12-16 06:26:53 PM

keylock71: Never had a problem with the shoot out...

I didn't see the need for it, as I kind of liked ties too, but there you go.


While I like ties philosophically, it really sucks to go to games and see tie after tie.
 
2013-12-16 06:33:12 PM

IAmRight: dywed88: In the NHL, I would prefer a period of standard play before moving into sudden death.

There are three periods of standard play before moving into sudden death. Seems like plenty.

/MLB's "solution" is awful unless you suck enough at life that you want to never have any idea when the stupid-ass game you went to is going to end


Who cares when it ends. Every game I have seen go past 12 or 13 innings has been great to watch.

And the fact is that there is a huge variation in game length without extra innings. Baseball does not have a game clock and should never have one.

If it was up to me, I would have something like 10 minutes overtime before moving into sudden death for 5 minutes and then a shootout.
 
2013-12-16 06:39:43 PM

IAmRight: keylock71: Never had a problem with the shoot out...

I didn't see the need for it, as I kind of liked ties too, but there you go.

While I like ties philosophically, it really sucks to go to games and see tie after tie.


Eh, really depends on how good the game was... Last minute goal to tie the game? That's good sport, in my book.
 
2013-12-16 07:04:15 PM

keylock71: Eh, really depends on how good the game was... Last minute goal to tie the game? That's good sport, in my book.


Except if it's the opponent that scores. :/ I dunno, it's just weird leaving a game feeling nothing.

/had season tickets to Cornell hockey last year; 2 of their first 3 games I went to were ties (the other was a loss)...talk about making me feel ambivalent about going to any more
//like I said, though, I get ties and I like them in theory - hey, sometimes teams are even and you don't need to pretend that one was better...but man, it just isn't fun to walk out of the building with a tie
///and it ruins the "which team is the winning team?" chant
//"which team is the tying team?" "This team is the tying team!" "Which team is also the tying team?" "This team is also the tying team!"
 
2013-12-16 07:09:30 PM

IAmRight: Except if it's the opponent that scores. :/ I dunno, it's just weird leaving a game feeling nothing.


Yeah, I get that... Just doesn't bother me all that much, I guess. I've been to great games where the Bruins have lost and felt great leaving the Garden. Alcohol helps, of course, but...
 
2013-12-16 07:13:04 PM
Ties are unAmerican. Advocates of such nonsense for any sport should be sent to Gitmo for re-education.
 
2013-12-16 07:32:54 PM

keylock71: IAmRight: keylock71: Never had a problem with the shoot out...

I didn't see the need for it, as I kind of liked ties too, but there you go.

While I like ties philosophically, it really sucks to go to games and see tie after tie.

Eh, really depends on how good the game was... Last minute goal to tie the game? That's good sport, in my book.


Removing the tie doesn't affect that, you still have the last second tying goal to get to OT.
 
2013-12-16 07:56:26 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: This, bonus hockey is fun and very exciting in the playoffs, in the regular season.....not so much.   Maybe make it 8 minutes instead of 5 but the shootout is a good way to end regular season games.


In every professional sport, once a game is tied through its official length, the first priority of every league is to get the players the hell away from injury as soon as possible. The second is determining a winner.

You'll notice that the greater of a risk that the normal course of play will see someone hurt, the shorter the overtime. Baseball plays until it's over, because baseball's a low-impact sport. Hockey and football just want it done as quickly as is feasible. The US Open in golf? You're playing 18 holes on Monday.
 
2013-12-16 08:27:56 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: This, bonus hockey is fun and very exciting in the playoffs, in the regular season.....not so much.   Maybe make it 8 minutes instead of 5 but the shootout is a good way to end regular season games.


3 periods of play.

If still tied, 5 minutes of overtime. Sudden death or not, I don't care.

If still tied, 5 more minutes of 4-on-4 (plus goalies. Not that you would pull a goalie in such circumstances anyway...)

If still tied, play 3-on-3 until a sudden death winner.

The shrinking number of players gives individual players room to show off some moves, and practically guarantees someone will score within a few minutes, doing away with stupid ties.
 
2013-12-16 09:51:03 PM

Yanks_RSJ: First time this year Benoit Pouliot hasn't been completely worthless.


First time in his career. #3 overall pick one year I believe or some where in that range.
 
2013-12-16 09:59:09 PM

Uzzah: DoBeDoBeDo: This, bonus hockey is fun and very exciting in the playoffs, in the regular season.....not so much.   Maybe make it 8 minutes instead of 5 but the shootout is a good way to end regular season games.

3 periods of play.

If still tied, 5 minutes of overtime. Sudden death or not, I don't care.

If still tied, 5 more minutes of 4-on-4 (plus goalies. Not that you would pull a goalie in such circumstances anyway...)

If still tied, play 3-on-3 until a sudden death winner.

The shrinking number of players gives individual players room to show off some moves, and practically guarantees someone will score within a few minutes, doing away with stupid ties.


Hell, just pull the goalies and play indefinite five-on-five sudden death; average game length will probably actually decrease, so player injury/fatigue shouldn't be a worry.

(Of course, that's the trouble with ideas for replacing the shootout - almost anything is better than what we have now, so there's no obvious replacement.)
 
2013-12-16 11:34:23 PM

themunsterfullback: Yanks_RSJ: First time this year Benoit Pouliot hasn't been completely worthless.

First time in his career. #3 overall pick one year I believe or some where in that range.


He played some good hockey for the Bruins, which is funny because that came the season after he fought Ference I think, and got his ass whooped. During that and immediately after it, Jack Edwards lamented about how much of a bust Pouliot was.

I can't say I had any angst towards the guy when he played for Montreal, but he did play some quality 3rd/4th line time with the Bs.
 
2013-12-17 05:33:22 AM
mario lemieux has been awarded the order of canada, and the order of quebec; the guy also smoked half a pack of cigarettes a day.


/tmyk
 
2013-12-17 07:41:45 AM
They can keep the shootouts as far as I care, but the problem which they were designed to resolve has just been shifted. Instead of teams lackadaisically pushing the puck back and forth in overtime, in order to preserve one point for a tie, they now do this action at the end of the game, so they can get to overtime, and guarantee their one point. If overtime and shootout games are worth three points (two for the winner, one for the loser), that is fine, but games won in regulation should be worth three points as well (three for the winner). This would keep the motivation to win the game in regulation, rather than a guaranteed coin flip (shoot out).
 
2013-12-17 10:02:21 AM

proteus_b: They can keep the shootouts as far as I care, but the problem which they were designed to resolve has just been shifted. Instead of teams lackadaisically pushing the puck back and forth in overtime, in order to preserve one point for a tie, they now do this action at the end of the game, so they can get to overtime, and guarantee their one point. If overtime and shootout games are worth three points (two for the winner, one for the loser), that is fine, but games won in regulation should be worth three points as well (three for the winner). This would keep the motivation to win the game in regulation, rather than a guaranteed coin flip (shoot out).


Yes, this is all correct.
 
2013-12-17 10:31:27 AM
Marek Malik frowns upon your weak ass shootout shenanigans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x2E1cyTVBA
 
2013-12-17 11:09:31 AM

proteus_b: They can keep the shootouts as far as I care, but the problem which they were designed to resolve has just been shifted. Instead of teams lackadaisically pushing the puck back and forth in overtime, in order to preserve one point for a tie, they now do this action at the end of the game, so they can get to overtime, and guarantee their one point. If overtime and shootout games are worth three points (two for the winner, one for the loser), that is fine, but games won in regulation should be worth three points as well (three for the winner). This would keep the motivation to win the game in regulation, rather than a guaranteed coin flip (shoot out).


Or just take away the loser's point.
 
2013-12-17 03:01:46 PM

proteus_b: They can keep the shootouts as far as I care, but the problem which they were designed to resolve has just been shifted. Instead of teams lackadaisically pushing the puck back and forth in overtime, in order to preserve one point for a tie, they now do this action at the end of the game, so they can get to overtime, and guarantee their one point. If overtime and shootout games are worth three points (two for the winner, one for the loser), that is fine, but games won in regulation should be worth three points as well (three for the winner). This would keep the motivation to win the game in regulation, rather than a guaranteed coin flip (shoot out).


It would make the standings page even more confusing than it now is, though.  Games won in regulation, games won in OT/shootout, games lost in regulation, games lost in OT/shootout.  Teams would finish the year with records like 35-10-30-7.  That doesn't really jump out and tell me how good a season that team just had.

I think it should be two points for a win, period, plus one point for a shootout loss.  The 4-on-4 hockey played in OT is pretty wide open and I don't think you would see teams sitting back in OT any more than you see now.
 
2013-12-17 03:39:11 PM

Brokenseas: It would make the standings page even more confusing than it now is, though.  Games won in regulation, games won in OT/shootout, games lost in regulation, games lost in OT/shootout.  Teams would finish the year with records like 35-10-30-7.  That doesn't really jump out and tell me how good a season that team just had.


That's what points are for.
 
2013-12-17 08:54:40 PM

Yanks_RSJ: That's what points are for.


Exactly... we came up with a quantitative formula, that way someone doesn't need to look at and evaluate whether or not a 35-10-30-7 team is better than a 38-5-28-11 team.... It makes a hell of a lot more sense than allowing "games tied at end of regulation to be worth 150% more than games not tied". If anything, the game not tied at the end of regulation should be worth more. At least as much! Not less!
 
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