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2013-12-16 03:38:38 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: In Jackson's case, I suspect that (given the success of the Lord of the Rings movie) he began to see himself as Tolkien's collaborator across the generations, with his revisions constituting a "modernization" like you see in those inferior "contemporary" Bibles.


This might actually be a fair way to see what Jackson is doing - and I'm fine with it. I think he's great at it.
 
2013-12-16 03:39:34 PM  
I read the hobbit some 30 years ago, and never felt like it could be revisited.  It was meh to me then.  I  just preferred hard scifi and it was fantasy it better had include giants wielding swords and heaving breasts of young maidens, and maybe a dragon.


In the sixth grade I was given detention because in reading class the teacher noticed I had a big shiat eating grin on my face.

She came over to my desk and grabbed my book.  I had bought a copy of Porkys and put a Hobbit cover on it and she said to me "There is nothing in Tolkien to make anyone grin that match."
 
2013-12-16 03:41:28 PM  
Does this one have song-and-dance numbers? I realize that the book had song-and-dance numbers, but they worked in the book. In the first film, they ruined suspension of disbelief and were also just kinda silly and not in an enjoyable way.
 
2013-12-16 03:43:41 PM  
I'm looking forward to it and Part III next year.
 
2013-12-16 03:44:16 PM  

the opposite of charity is justice: I stood up and walked out of Unexpected Journey over the bloated dishware scene.  And that was my own living room watching a pirated copy.


Including the songs was a stupid move that made this into a farking musical. Excluding the songs in the LOTR was one of the main reasons I liked it so much.
 
2013-12-16 03:45:32 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: the opposite of charity is justice: I stood up and walked out of Unexpected Journey over the bloated dishware scene.  And that was my own living room watching a pirated copy.

Including the songs was a stupid move that made this into a farking musical. Excluding the songs in the LOTR was one of the main reasons I liked it so much.


The couple of times they do include songs in LOTR it was wonderful - Aragorn singing about Beren and Luthien, and of course Pippin singing in front of Walter Bishop.
 
2013-12-16 03:46:04 PM  
I'm willing to believe that Peter Jackson is completely sincere about that.

But based on watching King Kong, I can well believe that Jackson looked at it and went "hey, we can use all of this" rather than "let's edit this bit, it's a little boring".

The author has a good point. Very successful people are far less prone to scrutiny. It's how you get Heaven's Gate and The Phanton Menace.
 
2013-12-16 03:47:02 PM  

DamnYankees: and of course Pippin singing in front of Walter Bishop.


I lol'd
 
2013-12-16 03:50:27 PM  
I never read the books.
I never saw the LOTR movies

I rented the first Hobbit movie Friday night, and then went to see Smaug Sunday afternoon.

End result?  My kids and I enjoyed the Hobbit, REALLY enjoyed Smaug (3Dhfr is excellent), and am now mildly interested in the LOTR story line.  Might even read the books.

/It sounds to me like all this bickering over details is a bunch of Comic Book Guy nerds biatching a bunch of "normies" are invading their turf.
 
2013-12-16 03:50:44 PM  
It's really quite simple:

If you don't like the idea of three Hobbit movies and/or you dislike what Jackson did with the source material, then don't go see the movies.
 
2013-12-16 03:52:08 PM  

fickenchucker: I never read the books.
I never saw the LOTR movies

I rented the first Hobbit movie Friday night, and then went to see Smaug Sunday afternoon.

End result?  My kids and I enjoyed the Hobbit, REALLY enjoyed Smaug (3Dhfr is excellent), and am now mildly interested in the LOTR story line.  Might even read the books.

/It sounds to me like all this bickering over details is a bunch of Comic Book Guy nerds biatching a bunch of "normies" are invading their turf.


Dude, you gotta see the LOTR movies. Complete masterpieces. I'd be very interested to see what someone who watched The Hobbit movies first would think of them.
 
2013-12-16 03:54:15 PM  
Barrel scene was awful, just way too over the top ridiculous, everything else was fun.
 
2013-12-16 03:56:07 PM  
Saw it yesterday. It was good, but for the very first time since Fellowship of the Ring I started to get a little annoyed at the additions and liberties they were taking with the stories. I liked pretty much everything that Jackson has cut or added to the Tolkein stories up until now, but in this one the additions didn't seem to fit as well... they seemed more forced.

*****Minor Spoilers*****

In particular the new elf chick/Legolas/Dwarf love triangle thing I thought was pointless. Maybe this one could have just ended up being the short one of the three hobbit movies, and they could have trimmed off half an hour or something.

And the whole barrel escape sequence I thought was just dumb. I didn't find it amusing, it was just stupid slapstick.

Generally though I liked it. Smaug was great, the spiders great, and the visual art on display is as fantastic as always.  The first thing I thought when I saw the massive mountain of treasure that Smaug was sleeping in was - "When they kill that dragon that huge treasure pile is going to completely kick the bottom out of the treasure market. There is so much gold and jewels in there that everyone in Middle Earth are going to be using gold to make their forks and spoons from then on, and jewels will be used as paperweights."

*****Minor Spoilers*****
 
2013-12-16 03:58:11 PM  

mongbiohazard: Generally though I liked it. Smaug was great, the spiders great, and the visual art on display is as fantastic as always.  The first thing I thought when I saw the massive mountain of treasure that Smaug was sleeping in was - "When they kill that dragon that huge treasure pile is going to completely kick the bottom out of the treasure market. There is so much gold and jewels in there that everyone in Middle Earth are going to be using gold to make their forks and spoons from then on, and jewels will be used as paperweights."


Ha, honestly this was my thought also. There was honestly too much gold in that room. Remember, gold is only valuable if its rare! This blows people minds, but in the entire world, there's not even enough gold to fill 2 Olympic-sized swimming pools. The amount of gold in Erebor was INSANE.
 
2013-12-16 04:01:21 PM  

the opposite of charity is justice: I stood up and walked out of Unexpected Journey over the bloated dishware scene.  And that was my own living room watching a pirated copy.


So...you admit to being an idiot.

That "bloated scene" is in the book jackass
 
2013-12-16 04:02:43 PM  

DamnYankees: Dude, you gotta see the LOTR movies. Complete masterpieces. I'd be very interested to see what someone who watched The Hobbit movies first would think of them.



It's a deal.

I favorited you with a "LOTR" note, so someday you'll get an answer completely unrelated to some future post of yours.
 
2013-12-16 04:03:14 PM  

DamnYankees: mongbiohazard: Generally though I liked it. Smaug was great, the spiders great, and the visual art on display is as fantastic as always.  The first thing I thought when I saw the massive mountain of treasure that Smaug was sleeping in was - "When they kill that dragon that huge treasure pile is going to completely kick the bottom out of the treasure market. There is so much gold and jewels in there that everyone in Middle Earth are going to be using gold to make their forks and spoons from then on, and jewels will be used as paperweights."

Ha, honestly this was my thought also. There was honestly too much gold in that room. Remember, gold is only valuable if its rare! This blows people minds, but in the entire world, there's not even enough gold to fill 2 Olympic-sized swimming pools. The amount of gold in Erebor was INSANE.


I thought about that too. But I will point out that if it's horded properly instead of distributed, it will retain value (see example: US Dollar in 2013). And as far as comparing it to gold in the real world - Dwarves had been mining for gold in Middle Earth for five millennia. And their definition of "mine" makes most modern human mines look like cat holes.

Still... that horde did look like it would fill Scrooge McDuck's bin at least twelve times.
 
2013-12-16 04:04:47 PM  

DamnYankees: mongbiohazard: Generally though I liked it. Smaug was great, the spiders great, and the visual art on display is as fantastic as always.  The first thing I thought when I saw the massive mountain of treasure that Smaug was sleeping in was - "When they kill that dragon that huge treasure pile is going to completely kick the bottom out of the treasure market. There is so much gold and jewels in there that everyone in Middle Earth are going to be using gold to make their forks and spoons from then on, and jewels will be used as paperweights."

Ha, honestly this was my thought also. There was honestly too much gold in that room. Remember, gold is only valuable if its rare! This blows people minds, but in the entire world, there's not even enough gold to fill 2 Olympic-sized swimming pools. The amount of gold in Erebor was INSANE.


Dwarves are the DeBeers of middle-earth.  You better believe that when they have a corner on the treasure market they're going to control the shiat out of that supply.
 
2013-12-16 04:05:22 PM  

clkeagle: DamnYankees: mongbiohazard: Generally though I liked it. Smaug was great, the spiders great, and the visual art on display is as fantastic as always.  The first thing I thought when I saw the massive mountain of treasure that Smaug was sleeping in was - "When they kill that dragon that huge treasure pile is going to completely kick the bottom out of the treasure market. There is so much gold and jewels in there that everyone in Middle Earth are going to be using gold to make their forks and spoons from then on, and jewels will be used as paperweights."

Ha, honestly this was my thought also. There was honestly too much gold in that room. Remember, gold is only valuable if its rare! This blows people minds, but in the entire world, there's not even enough gold to fill 2 Olympic-sized swimming pools. The amount of gold in Erebor was INSANE.

I thought about that too. But I will point out that if it's horded hoarded properly instead of distributed, it will retain value (see example: US Dollar in 2013). And as far as comparing it to gold in the real world - Dwarves had been mining for gold in Middle Earth for five millennia. And their definition of "mine" makes most modern human mines look like cat holes.

Still... that horde hoard did look like it would fill Scrooge McDuck's bin at least twelve times.


/me fail English? That's unpossible!
 
2013-12-16 04:10:46 PM  

clkeagle: clkeagle: DamnYankees: mongbiohazard: Generally though I liked it. Smaug was great, the spiders great, and the visual art on display is as fantastic as always.  The first thing I thought when I saw the massive mountain of treasure that Smaug was sleeping in was - "When they kill that dragon that huge treasure pile is going to completely kick the bottom out of the treasure market. There is so much gold and jewels in there that everyone in Middle Earth are going to be using gold to make their forks and spoons from then on, and jewels will be used as paperweights."

Ha, honestly this was my thought also. There was honestly too much gold in that room. Remember, gold is only valuable if its rare! This blows people minds, but in the entire world, there's not even enough gold to fill 2 Olympic-sized swimming pools. The amount of gold in Erebor was INSANE.

I thought about that too. But I will point out that if it's horded hoarded properly instead of distributed, it will retain value (see example: US Dollar in 2013). And as far as comparing it to gold in the real world - Dwarves had been mining for gold in Middle Earth for five millennia. And their definition of "mine" makes most modern human mines look like cat holes.

Still... that horde hoard whore'd look like it would fill Scrooge McDuck's bin at least twelve times.

/me fail English? That's unpossible!


Just because
 
2013-12-16 04:27:12 PM  

DamnYankees: mongbiohazard: Generally though I liked it. Smaug was great, the spiders great, and the visual art on display is as fantastic as always.  The first thing I thought when I saw the massive mountain of treasure that Smaug was sleeping in was - "When they kill that dragon that huge treasure pile is going to completely kick the bottom out of the treasure market. There is so much gold and jewels in there that everyone in Middle Earth are going to be using gold to make their forks and spoons from then on, and jewels will be used as paperweights."

Ha, honestly this was my thought also. There was honestly too much gold in that room. Remember, gold is only valuable if its rare! This blows people minds, but in the entire world, there's not even enough gold to fill 2 Olympic-sized swimming pools. The amount of gold in Erebor was INSANE.


Yeah--that was the only thing we chose to pick apart, too.  Fantasy is one thing, but when your kids are skeptical about THAT MUCH gold, it's kind of funny.
 
2013-12-16 04:31:27 PM  

Kuta: The LOTR should have been 6 movies (the extended Director's cut plus maybe a bit more). The Hobbit should have been 2 movies.


6 movies? I hope you're being sarcastic. Like you want Jackson to have shown literally every step they took in their journey.

I liked them but I started nodding off midway through each (in the theater, and I never do that), and the extended cuts were just plain boring.
 
2013-12-16 04:34:15 PM  
I have all the extended editions on my shelf, and there is already a space for the remaining 2 Hobbit extended editions. I loved the second Hobbit installment and will probably see it once more in theaters this week. Not only do I not mind that it's a cash grab, I happily aid and abet said grab. The question is whether it's worth the cash. In this case, I say yes, yes it is worth it, and I'm glad I have one more Middle-Earth movie to look forward to.

Most media is a cach grab. Every media you enjoy, books, movies, video games, music, is motivated by how much they can sell. That's how the industry works, and as long as we get quality product, I'm good.

Hell, the original Woodstock was nothing more than a naked cash grab. It gets romanticized years and years later, but it was no less comercial than concerts today.
 
2013-12-16 04:35:08 PM  
I am very disappointed with  Desolation.The narrative flow just seemed really off.  More like a string of connected events than a real story.  They could've cut Beorn out entirely and I wouldn't have missed him.
 
2013-12-16 04:35:41 PM  
I'm enjoying the Hobbit Trilogy thus far, but I have to remember that it is an adaptation of the book.  Things had to be changed to make it flow in an entirely different medium.

But on the topic of CG:  there were a few bad cuts here and there, but hands-down the worst CG I've seen in years (I mean, this was on the level of the local mattress store's President's Day commercial's CG) was Legolas riding on his horse out of Lake Town.  That was just horrible.  It was the first point of discussion after the movie for us.
 
2013-12-16 04:36:45 PM  

ElusiveWookiee: But on the topic of CG:  there were a few bad cuts here and there, but hands-down the worst CG I've seen in years (I mean, this was on the level of the local mattress store's President's Day commercial's CG) was Legolas riding on his horse out of Lake Town.  That was just horrible.  It was the first point of discussion after the movie for us.


Ha, ya, that was bad too.
 
2013-12-16 04:42:08 PM  

Gestankfaust: the opposite of charity is justice: I stood up and walked out of Unexpected Journey over the bloated dishware scene.  And that was my own living room watching a pirated copy.

So...you admit to being an idiot.

That "bloated scene" is in the book jackass


I think he meant that Jackson bloats things. Everything is fatter, longer, taller, voicier, and in general, more bulbous in his films.

I watched Jackson's King Kong, so I bet the "That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!" scene required 57,000 saucers and cups, 61,000 bowls, and 105,000 plates. And fifty grips throwing them in four-hour shifts. And that's before the CGI boys took over.
 
2013-12-16 04:47:03 PM  

DamnYankees: Shrugging Atlas: While Desolation wasn't bad, you could have split half of it between the other two films, and then included the remaining half in the inevitable blu-ray director cut versions.

The other films are already going to be 2.5 hours each. You want 2 four-hour movies?


No, which is why they trim down the first one to accomodate the extra material.  And since we have no idea yet as to the length or content the third will be, who can say?
 
2013-12-16 04:54:34 PM  

fickenchucker: I never read the books.
I never saw the LOTR movies

I rented the first Hobbit movie Friday night, and then went to see Smaug Sunday afternoon.

End result?  My kids and I enjoyed the Hobbit, REALLY enjoyed Smaug (3Dhfr is excellent), and am now mildly interested in the LOTR story line.  Might even read the books.



The Hobbit (book) is an easy read, mainly because it was written for children. Lord of the Rings is a slog to get through, although not as painful as The Simirilion.
 
2013-12-16 05:01:49 PM  
Girion47:

The barrel sequence was farking stupid and I question the intelligence of anyone that thinks differently.  When the red bearded dwarf's barrel bounces out of the water and then takes out 10 orcs in a row before he sticks his arms out the side and becomes a whirling death machine AND then jumps in an unoccupied barrel(where did the extra come from) is probably the most idiotic thing since the 3rd Matrix


I fully recognize that the barrel scene was stupid, but I still enjoyed it.

It was cartoonish and silly fun.

Yeah, I realized as I was watching it that it was totally impossible that something like that could happen, but then I switched into Kids Movie Mode, and simply accepted it. See, that's the point where all reason backs off, and suspension of disbelieve reigns supreme for enjoyment's sake.

The scene was well shot, as you could at least tell what was happening. Many action film directors these days could learn a thing or two from Peter Jackson. At least he doesn't shake the friggin camera all over the place (too much).

Not good, by objective standards, but it still worked somehow. I liked the movie, if reluctantly.
 
2013-12-16 05:02:49 PM  

Andric: I am very disappointed with  Desolation.The narrative flow just seemed really off.  More like a string of connected events than a real story.  They could've cut Beorn out entirely and I wouldn't have missed him.


Jackson's not very good at pacing, especially when he has a large budget, because he doesn't know when to cut things out. He wants to put *everything* he filmed into the movie.

/Of course, sometimes he does the opposite: see the death of Saruman
 
2013-12-16 05:04:48 PM  

doczoidberg: Yeah, I realized as I was watching it that it was totally impossible that something like that could happen, but then I switched into Kids Movie Mode, and simply accepted it. See, that's the point where all reason backs off, and suspension of disbelieve reigns supreme for enjoyment's sake.

The scene was well shot, as you could at least tell what was happening. Many action film directors these days could learn a thing or two from Peter Jackson. At least he doesn't shake the friggin camera all over the place (too much).


Exactly right. They did the exact right thing in saying "ok, we have our basic scenario of barrels going down a river, what can we do with this", and then they hit all the rights note. Barrel bounces around? Check. Barrel turns into armor? Check. Weapons are passed around from barrel to barrel? Check. Awesome sequence where each barrel takes a single hack at a fallen tree, until the tree breaks? Awesome.

It felt like a theme park ride, and it was awesome.
 
2013-12-16 05:08:02 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: The Hobbit (book) is an easy read, mainly because it was written for children. Lord of the Rings is a slog to get through, although not as painful as The Simirilion


The books are all pretty terrible.  The Hobbit is awful because it's written for children, and not very well at that.  LotR can't seem to stay focused on the story, and the hobbits, who should have been killed a dozen times before they even left the Shire, are constantly being saved by a fairy or Tom Bombardillo who just happened to show up at the right time to save them from their own raging stupidity.  Also, it's just plain tedious to read.  I haven't even bothered to open up a copy of the Silmarillion.

And yet, Jackson did a brilliant job with LotR specifically by cutting out a lot of the pointless rambling garbage.  He's taken the opposite route on the Hobbit.  Now, I still intend to go and see the remaining 2 Hobbit movies.  However, I doubt I'll ever sit down and watch them again, which I have done many times with the 3 LotR films.
 
2013-12-16 05:09:28 PM  
Saw it yesterday and was discussing it with my wife.  One thing we both agreed was this story was going to make the Battle of the Five Armies make a lot more sense than the "WTF?  Where did the orcs come from?" in the book.

/Nobody mentioned taking an arrow to the knee?
 
2013-12-16 05:15:06 PM  

mongbiohazard: Saw it yesterday. It was good, but for the very first time since Fellowship of the Ring I started to get a little annoyed at the additions and liberties they were taking with the stories. I liked pretty much everything that Jackson has cut or added to the Tolkein stories up until now, but in this one the additions didn't seem to fit as well... they seemed more forced.

*****Minor Spoilers*****

In particular the new elf chick/Legolas/Dwarf love triangle thing I thought was pointless. Maybe this one could have just ended up being the short one of the three hobbit movies, and they could have trimmed off half an hour or something.


They are setting up for a plausible reason why the elves will join the Battle of Five Armies other than Thranduil is greedy.  There has to be some connection between the elves and the dwarves for the king to leave his realm.


And the whole barrel escape sequence I thought was just dumb. I didn't find it amusing, it was just stupid slapstick.

It's comic relief. Didn't bother me.  How dull it would have been for them to just float away.  One of the reasons you make a fantasy movie is to show off fantastic things in a visual medium.  A book can show off its artistry with a long poem (something Tolkein was overfond of) but that doesn't work so well in a movie.  The orcs are there because, again, there needs to be a credible reason why a huge army of orcs suddenly shows up for the Battle of Five Armies, something lacking in the books.


Generally though I liked it. Smaug was great, the spiders great, and the visual art on display is as fantastic as always.  The first thing I thought when I saw the massive mountain of treasure that Smaug was sleeping in was - "When they kill that dragon that huge treasure pile is going to completely kick the bottom out of the treasure market. There is so much gold and jewels in there that everyone in Middle Earth are going to be using gold to make their forks and spoons from then on, and jewels will be used as paperweights."

Yeah, I was thinking that too.  A bit overboard on the treasure.  The only thing I can think is that dwarves are hoarders so most of the gold will never find its way into the market.  You can safely invest in Middle Earth gold futures I believe.
 
2013-12-16 05:15:52 PM  

kroonermanblack: The books just didn't remotely interest me.


That's because you're a goddamn alien from outer space, so just shut your pie-hole, or whatever it is that you could stuff pie into.
 
2013-12-16 05:19:01 PM  

DamnYankees: Honest question - do you really think Jackson thought "this is 2 movies, but we should make it three and add stuff to pad out the time"?


I think it was more the fault of the movie execs. They were the ones that wanted to milk this cash cow. Jackson just went along with it because more movie time = more time spent making movies, and he likes making movies. Can't really blame him.
 
2013-12-16 05:20:14 PM  

Lando Lincoln: DamnYankees: Honest question - do you really think Jackson thought "this is 2 movies, but we should make it three and add stuff to pad out the time"?

I think it was more the fault of the movie execs. They were the ones that wanted to milk this cash cow. Jackson just went along with it because more movie time = more time spent making movies, and he likes making movies. Can't really blame him.


I'd bet you it was the opposite - Jackson wanted to do it, and the execs said "sure, more money!"

But who knows - I wasn't in the room.
 
2013-12-16 05:22:27 PM  

Persnickety: It's comic relief. Didn't bother me.  How dull it would have been for them to just float away.


In the same amount of time that they spent on the rushing rapids chase scene bullshiat? Yes, that definitely would have been dull. Which is why one logically wouldn't have spent the same amount of time. And then use that time to tell more of the actual story, instead of wasting it on stupid action scenes that are action scenes just to be action scenes and farking love interests that have no goddamn place in the story.
 
2013-12-16 05:24:04 PM  
Still missing appearances from Robert Plant and Jimmy Page.
 
2013-12-16 05:30:49 PM  
 
2013-12-16 05:34:39 PM  

Lando Lincoln: And then use that time to tell more of the actual story, instead of wasting it on stupid action scenes that are action scenes just to be action scenes and farking love interests that have no goddamn place in the story.


Oh no! Not action scenes!
 
2013-12-16 05:37:19 PM  
I'm not spending 9+ hours in a movie theater so we can feel better about the director....
 
2013-12-16 05:47:33 PM  

DamnYankees: Lando Lincoln: And then use that time to tell more of the actual story, instead of wasting it on stupid action scenes that are action scenes just to be action scenes and farking love interests that have no goddamn place in the story.

Oh no! Not action scenes!


There was enough action in the books without adding more of them. But you wouldn't know.
 
2013-12-16 05:51:34 PM  

Lando Lincoln: DamnYankees: As someone who has never read The Hobbit and loved the LOTR movies, I don't really

...matter in relation to the LOTR discussions.

What, was it too long? The material too difficult?

DamnYankees: I also want to say, that even though it looks stupid in the trailers, the barrel sequence was awesome. Very inventive and fun.

"Inventive and fun" like "dwarves falling 100 feet onto rocks and then tumbling another 100 feet and hitting more rocks" kind? Or like, "that's somewhat plausible" fun?

Tolkien had the barrel scene as a clever and stealthy way to escape to Lake Town. There's no rapids. There's no real danger except for the dwarves drowning in the leaky barrels and Bilbo being detected. Jackson makes it into a super-action sequence, because Hollywood Execs love that shiat.


Meh, Jackson needed an excuse for that soft shiny red headed elven slut to go chase after that young hard dwarven cock, because ... fark I have no idea why an elf would bang a dwarf.
 
2013-12-16 05:55:33 PM  
There is pretty much nothing in this movie that happened the way they happen in the book.  Ironically, the only things in either movie so far that have been mostly consistent with the book were the dishes scene at Bag End and the riddles with Gollum - ironic because most people denounce the former as silly and pointless.  It is - that's kind of the point.  The dwarves had to be set up as being slightly absurd, and that's something that gets lost in the "epic" version.

Don't get me wrong - this movie was better than the last, and overall I probably like it.  But it's about as much "The Hobbit" as "I, Robot" was of its original material.  "Inspired by" would probably be the best description.  A friend of mine asked me at one point, "I have to use the restroom; am I going to miss anything?"  I replied, "They've changed enough that I have no idea."
 
2013-12-16 06:07:47 PM  
Persnickety:
They are setting up for a plausible reason why the elves will join the Battle of Five Armies other than Thranduil is greedy.  There has to be some connection between the elves and the dwarves for the king to leave his realm.

Greed is its own explanation at times, and Thranduil is a big dick.  Peter Jackson loves his elves and loves making them more important/badass than they should be (see:  the completely unnecessary inclusion of elves at Helm's Deep; Unbreakegolas) so don't be surprised if the elves only throw down in Five Armies to fight the orcs.
 
2013-12-16 06:09:12 PM  

ztrom: (see:  the completely unnecessary inclusion of elves at Helm's Deep; Unbreakegolas)


I tend to think that people who didn't like the Elves showing up at Helms Deep are just huge sourpusses. Because that scene was "fark YEAH" awesome.
 
2013-12-16 06:11:23 PM  

Null Pointer: The entire sequence of events could have been told in about an hour.


For movies where I just want to know the sequence of events, I'll read the plot on Wikipedia. But Middle Earth is a whole other world.
 
2013-12-16 06:25:41 PM  
wow, so today we learned peter jacksons fark handle.....
 
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