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2013-12-16 11:20:04 AM  
"when he was blindsided"

Chest to chest is now blindsided.  Ok, it's officially a Steeler hate thread.

Enjoy.
 
2013-12-16 11:20:06 AM  
$200K and out the remainder of the season?  Should be more.
 
2013-12-16 11:22:55 AM  
Just for kicks (in the video) see Bengals #40 go head to head with Brown striking him from the side.
 
2013-12-16 11:25:51 AM  

foo monkey: $200K and out the remainder of the season?  Should be more.


16 games. Man, the Steelers sure have gotten dirty this year.
 
2013-12-16 11:31:51 AM  

2wolves: "when he was blindsided"

Chest to chest is now blindsided.  Ok, it's officially a Steeler hate thread.

Enjoy.


It's just a turn of a phrase. Unbunch your panties. It was an illegal hit, period.
 
2013-12-16 11:32:05 AM  
for those complaining because of all the dallas cowboys/ tony romo links:

Kevin Huber, a punter, has two links today.
 
2013-12-16 11:37:15 AM  
While I think the "defenseless player" part is a little BS (he was actively trying to tackle the returner), the hit was blatantly illegal and should've been flagged on the spot.
 
2013-12-16 11:41:44 AM  
Sure, he got jacked up. But look at his head, look at how he's tracking the return man, angling for a clean shot from the side, where Brown wouldn't see him coming. Huber had blood on his mind. He was going to pay Antonio Brown back for returning his punt, and he was going to pay him back in spades.
Terence Garvin was just protecting his friend.
 
2013-12-16 12:01:12 PM  
Didn't a punter rock a return man earlier this year?  Brown has a chance at taking this one all the way.  Garvin's job is to clear the way for Brown.  He's not calculating how hard to hit each guy based on his role on the other team.
 
2013-12-16 12:02:03 PM  

2wolves: "when he was blindsided"

Chest to chest is now blindsided.  Ok, it's officially a Steeler hate thread.

Enjoy.


He broke his jaw on a chest-to-chest hit?  Interesting....
 
2013-12-16 12:04:29 PM  

2wolves: "when he was blindsided"

Chest to chest is now blindsided.  Ok, it's officially a Steeler hate thread.

Enjoy.


He hit him in the chest so hard his jaw broke.
 
2013-12-16 12:09:55 PM  
First contact is helmet to jaw.  But, punters where less protection than other players.  If he wasn't wearing a chin strap or mouthguard, that's the risk he takes.  You are out there for just punts.  Just wear the extra gear.  Having your jaw wired shut isn't very convenient or comfortable, either.
 
2013-12-16 12:10:28 PM  
The relevant rules.

Article 6:  Unnecessary Roughness.    There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:
(h) a kicker/punter, who is standing still or fading backward after the ball has been kicked, is out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by the receiving team through the end of the down or until he assumes a distinctly defensive position.  However, a kicker/punter is a defenseless player through the conclusion of the down (see Article 7);

Article 7:  Players in a Defenseless Posture.  It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return (Also see Article 6(h) for additional restrictions against a kicker/punter);
 
2013-12-16 12:13:47 PM  

2wolves: "when he was blindsided"

Chest to chest is now blindsided.  Ok, it's officially a Steeler hate thread.

Enjoy.


This is why I don't watch football - even when something is blatantly and absurdly unnecessary violent fans will still line up to support it as if it is just part of the game. And even if it is, fark that game.
 
2013-12-16 12:15:47 PM  

foo monkey: The relevant rules.

Article 6:  Unnecessary Roughness.    There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:
(h) a kicker/punter, who is standing still or fading backward after the ball has been kicked, is out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by the receiving team through the end of the down or until he assumes a distinctly defensive position.  However, a kicker/punter is a defenseless player through the conclusion of the down (see Article 7);

Article 7:  Players in a Defenseless Posture.  It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return (Also see Article 6(h) for additional restrictions against a kicker/punter);


Huber 'assumes a distinctly defensive position' when he attempted to tackle Antonio Brown.  My interpretation of that rule is that takes precedence over Article 7.  Since he took a defensive position, article 7 no longer applies.
 
2013-12-16 12:18:41 PM  
vartian:
This is why I don't watch football - even when something is blatantly and absurdly unnecessary violent fans will still line up to support it as if it is just part of the game. And even if it is, fark that game.

You don't enjoy hockey, lacrosse, rugby, footie, or a number of other contact sports.

I feel that way about badminton.
 
2013-12-16 12:19:52 PM  

vartian: 2wolves: "when he was blindsided"

Chest to chest is now blindsided.  Ok, it's officially a Steeler hate thread.

Enjoy.

This is why I don't watch football - even when something is blatantly and absurdly unnecessary violent fans will still line up to support it as if it is just part of the game. And even if it is, fark that game.


Hockey's worse.

There are hockey fans who would support a death on the ice as long as it involved a European "admiring his pass."
 
2013-12-16 12:34:07 PM  
Hines Ward not impressed
 
2013-12-16 12:42:46 PM  

sigdiamond2000: vartian: 2wolves: "when he was blindsided"

Chest to chest is now blindsided.  Ok, it's officially a Steeler hate thread.

Enjoy.

This is why I don't watch football - even when something is blatantly and absurdly unnecessary violent fans will still line up to support it as if it is just part of the game. And even if it is, fark that game.

Hockey's worse.

There are hockey fans who would support a death on the ice as long as it involved a European "admiring his pass."


No hockey fan has any business ever criticizing NFL safety, that's for sure.
 
2013-12-16 12:53:30 PM  
Why will a wired jaw keep him off the field for the rest of the season? I could see maybe missing next game but he should be back after that if week the 17 game means anything for the Bengals. Id expect him back in the playoffs for sure.
 
2013-12-16 12:56:33 PM  
According to article 12.2.7(a)(6), "a kicker/punter during the kick or during the return" qualifies as being in a "defenseless posture." That's Huber for the entire length of the play.

Then he shouldn't get to do ANYthing on the field, block, tackle, anything. If he's going to become something other than the kicker, then he needs to suck it up and grow some farking balls.

Oh, and Subby? Pittsburgh not only won the game by more than a touchdown, they were winning the whole time and are still in playoff contention, so I don't know what you're talking about.

And I see shiat like this all of the time that doesn't get called either. People getting nailed by other players, I sure hope you're writing about 7 of these blogs each week.
 
2013-12-16 12:59:29 PM  
Gotta keep your head on a swivel
 
2013-12-16 01:02:39 PM  
TO: The New England Patriots

FROM:Roger Goodell

Merry Christmas, boys. I didn't want that small market team ruining my playoffs, anyway.
 
2013-12-16 01:04:37 PM  
True the steelers haven't been mathematically eliminated but playoffs? Paging Jim mora
 
2013-12-16 01:05:23 PM  

Mikey1969: If he's going to become something other than the kicker, then he needs to suck it up and grow some farking balls.


That hit has nothing to do with the courage or perceived lack of by the punter. It was an illegal hit. Period.

Mikey1969: Pittsburgh not only won the game by more than a touchdown, they were winning the whole time and are still in playoff contention


Cling to that sliver of hope tightly. Baltimore and Miami are ahead of you, and the Dolphins play the Bills and the Jets the last 2 games. If they win 1 of those 2 games, Pittsburgh is out.

Realism injected. Have a nice day.
 
2013-12-16 01:05:51 PM  

SlothB77: foo monkey: The relevant rules.

Article 7:  Players in a Defenseless Posture.  It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return (Also see Article 6(h) for additional restrictions against a kicker/punter);

Huber 'assumes a distinctly defensive position' when he attempted to tackle Antonio Brown.  My interpretation of that rule is that takes precedence over Article 7.  Since he took a defensive position, article 7 no longer applies.


Your interpretation is that a rule that says "Also see Article 6(h) for additional restrictions against a kicker/punter" is replaced by Article 6(h) when it's a kicker/punter? That's not a very good interpretation.
 
2013-12-16 01:06:50 PM  

Mikey1969: AIf he's going to become something other than the kicker, then he needs to suck it up and grow some farking balls.


And if he had balls he wouldn't have been hit?  Or the guy wouldn't have speared him in the face if he had balls?  I don't follow.  What would have been different if the guy had balls?
 
2013-12-16 01:07:08 PM  

Mikey1969: According to article 12.2.7(a)(6), "a kicker/punter during the kick or during the return" qualifies as being in a "defenseless posture." That's Huber for the entire length of the play.

Then he shouldn't get to do ANYthing on the field, block, tackle, anything. If he's going to become something other than the kicker, then he needs to suck it up and grow some farking balls.

Oh, and Subby? Pittsburgh not only won the game by more than a touchdown, they were winning the whole time and are still in playoff contention, so I don't know what you're talking about.

And I see shiat like this all of the time that doesn't get called either. People getting nailed by other players, I sure hope you're writing about 7 of these blogs each week.


If you don't like that the rules say a punter can defend a return while still being a protected player, then you have a problem with the rules.

But that's what the rules say.
 
2013-12-16 01:07:44 PM  

SlothB77: foo monkey: The relevant rules.

Article 6:  Unnecessary Roughness.    There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:
(h) a kicker/punter, who is standing still or fading backward after the ball has been kicked, is out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by the receiving team through the end of the down or until he assumes a distinctly defensive position.  However, a kicker/punter is a defenseless player through the conclusion of the down (see Article 7);

Article 7:  Players in a Defenseless Posture.  It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return (Also see Article 6(h) for additional restrictions against a kicker/punter);

Huber 'assumes a distinctly defensive position' when he attempted to tackle Antonio Brown.  My interpretation of that rule is that takes precedence over Article 7.  Since he took a defensive position, article 7 no longer applies.


Once Huber takes a position to tackle the return man, he is no longer a defenseless player.  Keep your head on a swivel, dude.
 
2013-12-16 01:08:19 PM  
Just to bring the full rules over from The Other Thread:

~~~Article 6: Unnecessary Roughness. There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to: [...] (h) a kicker/punter, who is standing still or fading backward after the ball has been kicked, is out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by the receiving team through the end of the down or until he assumes a distinctly defensive position. However, a kicker/punter is a defenseless player through the conclusion of the down (see Article 7);

So this rule says that if you're a punter and you're standing still or fading backwards, you're protected until you assume a distinctly defensive position. This punter did assume a distinctly defensive position. So article 6(h) goes away. But let's look at article 7:

~Article 7: Players in a Defenseless Posture. It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture. ~(a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [...] ~(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return (Also see Article 6(g) for additional restrictions against a kicker/punter);

So this rule says that a punter is "in a defenseless posture" throughout the return, regardless of what he is doing, even attempting a tackle.
Unlike Article 6, this rule penalizes specific forms of contact. What does it penalize?

~(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
~(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player's head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact of the defender's helmet or facemask is lower than the passer's neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him;
~Note 2: A player who initiates contact against a defenseless opponent is responsible for avoiding an illegal act. This includes illegal contact that may occur during the process of attempting to dislodge the ball from an opponent. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against a defenseless opponent, even if the opponent is an airborne player who is returning to the ground or whose body position is otherwise in motion, and irrespective of any acts by the defenseless opponent, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact.


So under these rules, a punter is allowed to stand in whatever damnfool position he chooses during the return; and if you wind up forcibly hitting him in the head (and breaking the jaw certainly qualifies as "forcible"), that's a personal foul, regardless of how hard you tried or didn't try to avoid the headshot.
 
2013-12-16 01:08:55 PM  

foo monkey: The relevant rules.

Article 6:  Unnecessary Roughness.    There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:
(h) a kicker/punter, who is standing still or fading backward after the ball has been kicked, is out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by the receiving team through the end of the down or until he assumes a distinctly defensive position.  However, a kicker/punter is a defenseless player through the conclusion of the down (see Article 7);

Article 7:  Players in a Defenseless Posture.  It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return (Also see Article 6(h) for additional restrictions against a kicker/punter);


I think, (just my interpretation of the rules) that  any contact, even incidental, with the punter/kicker while "standing still or fading backward after the ball has been kicked..." is illegal.  The next part of the rule defines the punter/kicker as defenseless for the duration of the play, but that's not the same thing.  You can touch a defenseless player, hell you can even hit them, but you just can't massacre them.  See also, hits on defenseless receivers (you can still hit them, it's the type of hit that matters).

The helmet-to-chin nature of this hit rather nullifies the argument, though-- it's an illegal hit on any player, not just the punter.
 
2013-12-16 01:08:57 PM  
If smashing punters in the head is wrong, I don't want to be right.
 
2013-12-16 01:09:24 PM  
SlothB77:
Huber 'assumes a distinctly defensive position' when he attempted to tackle Antonio Brown.  My interpretation of that rule is that takes precedence over Article 7.  Since he took a defensive position, article 7 no longer applies.

You still can't spear a guy in the face with your helmet.
 
2013-12-16 01:12:04 PM  

Mikey1969: According to article 12.2.7(a)(6), "a kicker/punter during the kick or during the return" qualifies as being in a "defenseless posture." That's Huber for the entire length of the play.

Then he shouldn't get to do ANYthing on the field, block, tackle, anything. If he's going to become something other than the kicker, then he needs to suck it up and grow some farking balls.

Oh, and Subby? Pittsburgh not only won the game by more than a touchdown, they were winning the whole time and are still in playoff contention, so I don't know what you're talking about.

And I see shiat like this all of the time that doesn't get called either. People getting nailed by other players, I sure hope you're writing about 7 of these blogs each week.


Is there a variation on the "Internet Tough Guy" meme that speaks specifically to middle-aged Chili-Cheese Frito aficionados who call professional athletes pussies?
 
2013-12-16 01:12:11 PM  

mainstreet62: Mikey1969: If he's going to become something other than the kicker, then he needs to suck it up and grow some farking balls.

That hit has nothing to do with the courage or perceived lack of by the punter. It was an illegal hit. Period.

Mikey1969: Pittsburgh not only won the game by more than a touchdown, they were winning the whole time and are still in playoff contention

Cling to that sliver of hope tightly. Baltimore and Miami are ahead of you, and the Dolphins play the Bills and the Jets the last 2 games. If they win 1 of those 2 games, Pittsburgh is out.

Realism injected. Have a nice day.


Except that right now they're in, which makes subby bad at math.

And punters? They're pussies.
 
2013-12-16 01:12:48 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Is there a variation on the "Internet Tough Guy" meme that speaks specifically to middle-aged Chili-Cheese Frito aficionados who call professional athletes pussies?


Warrior's Code!
 
2013-12-16 01:13:34 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Is there a variation on the "Internet Tough Guy" meme that speaks specifically to middle-aged Chili-Cheese Frito aficionados who call professional athletes pussies?


He kicks a ball and nobody is allowed to touch him. It's like Tom Brady without a throwing arm. Yeah, it's a pussy position.
 
2013-12-16 01:16:32 PM  

Mikey1969: sigdiamond2000: Is there a variation on the "Internet Tough Guy" meme that speaks specifically to middle-aged Chili-Cheese Frito aficionados who call professional athletes pussies?

He kicks a ball and nobody is allowed to touch him. It's like Tom Brady without a throwing arm. Yeah, it's a pussy position.


He probably doesn't even lift.
 
2013-12-16 01:16:39 PM  

Mikey1969: Except that right now they're in


If the season ended today, they're out.  To be in, they need help.  They just aren't mathematically eliminated.  Today's articles about the AFC playoff picture mostly don't even mention them.
 
2013-12-16 01:17:45 PM  

ElwoodCuse: True the steelers haven't been mathematically eliminated but playoffs? Paging Jim mora


My understanding is this:

The likeliest outcome for the rest of the season is that Miami and Pittsburgh end up tied for the second wildcard, record-wise, in which case Miami gets in, based on their beating the Steelers earlier.   But if Pittsburgh wins out, the Ravens and Bengals lose out (including Baltimore against Detroit tonight), and Miami also loses out (including their week 17 game against the Jets), you have three teams--the Jets, the Dolphins and the Steelers--all tied with 8-8 records.  The Jets win the tiebreaker against the Dolphins, putting them ahead of the 'phins in the division, and the Steelers win the tiebreaker against THEM, since they beat New York earlier in the season.
 
2013-12-16 01:18:35 PM  

CalvinMorallis: the Ravens and Bengals lose out


That will be tough since they play each other.
 
2013-12-16 01:18:46 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Gotta keep your head on a swivel


That.

It's not exactly like Warren Sapp blowing up Chad Clifton 30 yards away from the play, but still.
 
2013-12-16 01:22:21 PM  

Mikey1969: mainstreet62: Mikey1969: If he's going to become something other than the kicker, then he needs to suck it up and grow some farking balls.

That hit has nothing to do with the courage or perceived lack of by the punter. It was an illegal hit. Period.

Mikey1969: Pittsburgh not only won the game by more than a touchdown, they were winning the whole time and are still in playoff contention

Cling to that sliver of hope tightly. Baltimore and Miami are ahead of you, and the Dolphins play the Bills and the Jets the last 2 games. If they win 1 of those 2 games, Pittsburgh is out.

Realism injected. Have a nice day.

Except that right now they're in, which makes subby bad at math.

And punters? They're pussies.


Having an expectation, backed by the implicit enforcement of the NFL, of not getting hit in the head regardless of position, and then actually getting hit in the head and suffering a broken jaw makes someone a pussy?

OK, tough guy.
 
2013-12-16 01:23:23 PM  

The Muthaship: CalvinMorallis: the Ravens and Bengals lose out

That will be tough since they play each other.


Sorry, you're right--Ravens lose tonight, but then beat the Bengals.

You know it's long odds when you can't even discuss the parameters without getting mixed up.
 
2013-12-16 01:23:23 PM  
Here is an illegal hit, by definition of the rules, on Pat McAffee from earlier this season. Unnecessary contact (the runner could have stepped out of bounds) and a helmet to helmet hit on a kicker. By rule, both just as illegal as Garvin'shiat. I do think Garvin should have been penalized and he most definitely will be fined.

http://extramustard.si.com/2013/10/21/pat-mcafee-punter-colts-steroid - test/
 
2013-12-16 01:24:12 PM  

The Muthaship: Mikey1969: Except that right now they're in

If the season ended today, they're out.  To be in, they need help.  They just aren't mathematically eliminated.  Today's articles about the AFC playoff picture mostly don't even mention them.


Except for the first article I clicked on when I did a search for "AFC Playoff Picture" Weird how well that worked.
http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture
 
2013-12-16 01:24:58 PM  
Wahhhh I got terribly injured and possibly brain damaged and it could have an affect on my ability to support my family later in life waaaahhhhh
 
2013-12-16 01:26:05 PM  

The Muthaship: Mikey1969: Except that right now they're in

If the season ended today, they're out.  To be in, they need help.  They just aren't mathematically eliminated.  Today's articles about the AFC playoff picture mostly don't even mention them.


Furthermore, Subby didn't even say they were eliminated already. He just said they aren't going to the postseason, which is completely correct.

By the way, I wonder what the correlation is between "defending dangerous and unnecessary violence because it's entertaining to watch" and "never having played a contact sport"? I'm guessing it's pretty high.

/Not subby
 
2013-12-16 01:26:34 PM  
They never say you aren't going to get hit in the head, just that its "a foul" if you do.
 
2013-12-16 01:26:54 PM  
Idiot kicker?
 
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