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2013-12-16 10:58:46 AM
C'est dommage.
 
2013-12-16 11:07:33 AM
Qu'est que c'est

/only French I know
//copied and pasted from Talking Heads lyrics
 
2013-12-16 11:20:14 AM
Où sont les frappeuers d'urgence, les arrêt-courts, les lanceurs partants d'antan?
 
2013-12-16 11:22:42 AM
Hey Montreal, thank you for your team.
We are taking great care of it.
 
2013-12-16 11:28:12 AM
And killing the Expos is only like, the third or fourth scummiest thing Bud Selig did
 
2013-12-16 11:30:31 AM

ElwoodCuse: And killing the Expos is only like, the third or fourth scummiest thing Bud Selig did


..and yet he's -still- the best least bad of the four major commisioners
 
2013-12-16 11:54:01 AM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

and Youppi wept.
 
2013-12-16 12:25:40 PM
While we have a baseball thread, as a Yankee fan, it amuses me to no end that my three biggest pitching headaches this season have all been taken by other teams (Phil Hughes - Twins 24/3, Boone Logan - Rockies 16.5/3, Joba Chamberlain - Tigers 2.5/1)

Oh, and apparently while no one was looking, Ted Lily retired.
 
2013-12-16 12:35:36 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-16 12:44:12 PM
Also, I think the new MLB-NPB agreement is interesting.. it completely changes the posting system.
Teams still pay a posting fee, but now there's a cap of $20M, and if more than one team bids $20M, then the player is allowed to negotiate with -all- the teams that bid the cap.
 
2013-12-16 12:52:53 PM
montreal is not a great sports city. take into account that baseball is probably the least popular sport here, I don't see how this could succeed.  yes, fans showed up when the expos briefly had a good team, but they are far too fairweather.  expos hats were never worn around this city after they were dead; more of a fitted/hip-hop thing now.
building a new stadium here will just be another funnel for contractors to siphon tax dollars.
 
2013-12-16 12:57:24 PM

sn0wblind: montreal is not a great sports city. take into account that baseball is probably the least popular sport here, I don't see how this could succeed.  yes, fans showed up when the expos briefly had a good team, but they are far too fairweather.  expos hats were never worn around this city after they were dead; more of a fitted/hip-hop thing now.
building a new stadium here will just be another funnel for contractors to siphon tax dollars.


As pointed out in TFA, Montreal is pretty much MLB's bogeyman now (see also: NFL, Los Angeles).
If I were to place a bet on the -actual- city most likely to get a team, it'd be Raleigh (I don't particularly count the much-bandied-about-but-going-nowhere A's to San Jose potential move as a "new city"), and even then no time soon.
 
2013-12-16 01:31:27 PM
Hmph. Eh bien.
 
2013-12-16 01:53:15 PM

The Bestest: sn0wblind: montreal is not a great sports city. take into account that baseball is probably the least popular sport here, I don't see how this could succeed.  yes, fans showed up when the expos briefly had a good team, but they are far too fairweather.  expos hats were never worn around this city after they were dead; more of a fitted/hip-hop thing now.
building a new stadium here will just be another funnel for contractors to siphon tax dollars.

As pointed out in TFA, Montreal is pretty much MLB's bogeyman now (see also: NFL, Los Angeles).
If I were to place a bet on the -actual- city most likely to get a team, it'd be Raleigh (I don't particularly count the much-bandied-about-but-going-nowhere A's to San Jose potential move as a "new city"), and even then no time soon.


Baseball is the most "top heavy" by having teams in the most populated markets of any of the Major Leagues (they have teams in all of the Top 17 Nielsen TV markets, which no other league does, and it is in 25 of the Top 35 TV markets, and its smallest market is #35 Cincinnati.    Of the 10 markets in the Top 35 not in MLB, 8 have AAA teams, with only Portland (A), and Orlando (none) being the outliers.  So, most likely, you are promoting a AAA market to MLB at this point.

18 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,490,380 1.287        (None)
20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,387,950 1.198        (AAA)
22 Portland, OR 1,185,160 1.023                (A)
24 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,165,120 1.006        (AAA)
25 Charlotte 1,157,920 1.000                    (AAA)
26 Indianapolis 1,096,650 0.947                (AAA)
29 Nashville 1,043,440 0.901                    (AAA)
30 Hartford & New Haven 999,990 0.863            (AAA)
32 Columbus, OH 928,530 0.802                (AAA)
33 Salt Lake City 921,240 0.796                (AAA)

Raliegh is the 2nd largest AAA market, so, I guess that makes as much sense as any to get an MLB team... would be the "Carolinas" MLB team at that point as well then.  It is really the only large "area" out of that list that doesn't have a MLB team, outside of maybe SLC or Portland.
 
2013-12-16 02:08:47 PM

dletter: Baseball is the most "top heavy" by having teams in the most populated markets of any of the Major Leagues (they have teams in all of the Top 17 Nielsen TV markets, which no other league does, and it is in 25 of the Top 35 TV markets, and its smallest market is #35 Cincinnati.    Of the 10 markets in the Top 35 not in MLB, 8 have AAA teams, with only Portland (A), and Orlando (none) being the outliers.  So, most likely, you are promoting a AAA market to MLB at this point.

18 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,490,380 1.287        (None)
20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,387,950 1.198        (AAA)
22 Portland, OR 1,185,160 1.023                (A)
24 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,165,120 1.006        (AAA)
25 Charlotte 1,157,920 1.000                    (AAA)
26 Indianapolis 1,096,650 0.947                (AAA)
29 Nashville 1,043,440 0.901                    (AAA)
30 Hartford & New Haven 999,990 0.863            (AAA)
32 Columbus, OH 928,530 0.802                (AAA)
33 Salt Lake City 921,240 0.796                (AAA)

Raliegh is the 2nd largest AAA market, so, I guess that makes as much sense as any to get an MLB team... would be the "Carolinas" MLB team at that point as well then.  It is really the only large "area" out of that list that doesn't have a MLB team, outside of maybe SLC or Portland.


Portland -had- a AAA team for the longest, but support just wasn't there. They'd never get an MLB team. Likewise, I can't see -any- Florida city ever getting another team, so that cuts Orlando right out (besides, who would buy it, Disney? They tried the baseball thing already with the Angels and didn't like it).

Sacramento can barely hold onto the one major-level pro team they have. I don't know much about Indy, but they just don't seem like a baseball town to me. Nashville is in that perfect triangle of being too close to the Braves, Reds and Cards; a similar reason why Columbus wouldn't work.

You wouldn't draw enough fans away from Red Sox and Yankees for Hartford to work.

SLC I could possibly see working.. Rockies aren't really entrenched enough for them to be an issue, but much like Indy, I have no idea what the 'baseball pulse' is like there.

Raleigh makes the most sense to me, and I can even see baseball doing a one-time promotion-relegation thing with the Rays and (Durham) Bulls, with the two teams swapping personnel, facilities, etc (the Bulls are already the Rays' AAA affiliate)
 
2013-12-16 02:44:30 PM

The Bestest: SLC I could possibly see working.. Rockies aren't really entrenched enough for them to be an issue, but much like Indy, I have no idea what the 'baseball pulse' is like there.


I live 2 hours from Indy, but, my sense is that they enjoy the AAA team as a "entertainment option"... I'm sure there are some "fans" that know the players, but, otherwise, it is just a nice place to watch a baseball game and be outside in the summer, like 80% of fans at minor league baseball games.  Would they gain enough fans to get to 20-30k at least per game to sustain a MLB franchise... don't know, but, I don't think anyone is dying to find out.... between the Colts and Pacers, they are fine with AAA baseball.
 
2013-12-16 02:49:08 PM
The Bestest: Raleigh makes the most sense to me, and I can even see baseball doing a one-time promotion-relegation thing with the Rays and (Durham) Bulls, with the two teams swapping personnel, facilities, etc (the Bulls are already the Rays' AAA affiliate)

 How do two teams hundreds of miles apart swap facilities?
 
2013-12-16 03:11:30 PM

llortcM_yllort: How do two teams hundreds of miles apart swap facilities?


I meant more like spring training facilities, marketing infrastructure, etc
 
2013-12-16 07:22:09 PM
..and the new MLB-NPB deal has been signed. Details of how posting works now:

• If an NPB club wishes to make one of its players available to Major League clubs, the NPB shall notify the Office of the Commissioner of the NPB player's potential availability and the "release fee" that a Major League club must pay to the NPB club in order to secure the NPB player's release. The NPB club may not set the release fee at an amount higher than $20 million and the fee cannot be changed once it has been set by the NPB club.

• The Office of the Commissioner shall then "post" the NPB player's availability by notifying all Major League clubs of the NPB player's availability and the release fee sought by the NPB club.

• All "postings" of NPB players must be made between Nov. 1 and Feb. 1.

• Beginning the day after the player is posted, and concluding 30 days later, any Major League club willing to pay the release fee set by the NPB club may then negotiate with the player in an attempt to reach an agreement on a contract.

• If a Major League club is able to reach an agreement on a contract with the posted NPB player, the Major League club must pay the NPB club the designated release fee, which will occur in installments, the timing of which depends on the size of the release fee.

• If the posted NPB player fails to reach an agreement with a Major League club, the release fee is not owed, the NPB player remains under reserve to his NPB club and the player may not be posted again until the following Nov. 1.

• The term of the new posting agreement is three years, continuing from year to year thereafter until either the Office of the Commissioner or the NPB gives notice of it
 
2013-12-17 12:15:58 AM

llortcM_yllort: The Bestest: Raleigh makes the most sense to me, and I can even see baseball doing a one-time promotion-relegation thing with the Rays and (Durham) Bulls, with the two teams swapping personnel, facilities, etc (the Bulls are already the Rays' AAA affiliate)

 How do two teams hundreds of miles apart swap facilities?


raleigh doesnt make much sense to me other than it being far enough away from atl and the nats.

they don't have a very dense population area to draw from, but might could find space easier than other areas. bus system is not good but that could be added at public expense.

but I wouldn't bet on durham being a tiny, easy to get to, and inexpensive town translating into building a pro stadium in the RDU area and raising prices.

durham at least has the movie nostalgia and long standing in the area. any new team is showing up asking for a stadium, that won't go over well.
 
2013-12-17 12:35:33 PM

scarbachi: llortcM_yllort: The Bestest: Raleigh makes the most sense to me, and I can even see baseball doing a one-time promotion-relegation thing with the Rays and (Durham) Bulls, with the two teams swapping personnel, facilities, etc (the Bulls are already the Rays' AAA affiliate)

 How do two teams hundreds of miles apart swap facilities?

raleigh doesnt make much sense to me other than it being far enough away from atl and the nats.

they don't have a very dense population area to draw from, but might could find space easier than other areas. bus system is not good but that could be added at public expense.

but I wouldn't bet on durham being a tiny, easy to get to, and inexpensive town translating into building a pro stadium in the RDU area and raising prices.

durham at least has the movie nostalgia and long standing in the area. any new team is showing up asking for a stadium, that won't go over well.


As pointed out above.... Raleigh-Durham is the #24 TV market, and is larger that 5 other current MLB TV markets.  It certainly isn't a market MLB "needs" or anything, and would actually from a TV side be going "down" from Tampa, but, if they could sell more tickets, would probably be worthwhile.  Also, Charlotte is the #25 TV market (and only 2 1/3-3 hours away), and if the team was named "Carolina", they would certainly be targeting all of NC & SC for marketing for TV and tickets (which, if you combine R-D and Charlotte then, you have a team that is targeting for TV with 2.3 million households... the equivilent of being in a Top 10 Nielsen TV market.)   Add on to that that R-D locally only has NHL, so, I'd choose them over going to Charlotte, where you are competing with NFL & NBA.
 
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