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(USA Today)   The year of depressing season finales continued last night as Homeland ended in an episode full of chin-weepy goodbyes (spoilers in TFA)   (usatoday.com) divider line 49
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2013-12-16 10:51:13 AM
Last night was an incredibly depressing end to the season. Between that and Harrow on Boardwalk Empire's season finale, I think GoT could actually make me enjoy life in comparison
 
2013-12-16 12:21:29 PM
Haven't watched an episode yet this year. Got it all dvr'd though.
 
2013-12-16 12:27:38 PM

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2013-12-16 12:35:19 PM

somedude210: Last night was an incredibly depressing end to the season. Between that and Harrow on Boardwalk Empire's season finale, I think GoT could actually make me enjoy life in comparison


Even the mid-season finales were gut-wretching. "Walking Dead" was a given, but "AHS:Coven"..... damn.

/Hardwick needs to lease out his Death Couch
//Anyone know if "Once Upon a Time" or "Grey's Anatomy" took one for the team and had its own DeathCouch demise?
 
2013-12-16 12:58:54 PM
very good finale, but it really doesn't make up for how subpar the first 2/3s was. Though a break from the Brody plot could've arguably came earlier in the series, I think next season will be a TV version of Squeeze or Cut the Crap.
 
2013-12-16 01:07:42 PM
I've been hate-watching Homeland and Sons of Anarchy for ages now, but damn if both their finales didn't leave me weeping.
 
2013-12-16 01:16:20 PM

OtherLittleGuy: somedude210: Last night was an incredibly depressing end to the season. Between that and Harrow on Boardwalk Empire's season finale, I think GoT could actually make me enjoy life in comparison

Even the mid-season finales were gut-wretching. "Walking Dead" was a given, but "AHS:Coven"..... damn.

/Hardwick needs to lease out his Death Couch
//Anyone know if "Once Upon a Time" or "Grey's Anatomy" took one for the team and had its own DeathCouch demise?


AHS: Coven SPOILERS:
I'm guessing Queenie didn't survive since Marie showed up at the Coven by herself.  Shame--what a wasted part for that actress.  Queenie had such potential, esp. when she started bonding w/Delphine and taking her racist ass down a few notches.  But then she turns her over to Marie?  Bah.  Such a good subplot, ruined.  I guess the writers realized that and had Queenie teach Delphine's disembodied head about Civil Rights but it's not the same.
 
2013-12-16 01:21:12 PM

FeedTheCollapse: very good finale, but it really doesn't make up for how subpar the first 2/3s was. Though a break from the Brody plot could've arguably came earlier in the series, I think next season will be a TV version of Squeeze or Cut the Crap.


Honestly, I thought everyone was being really emo considering that Brody had pretty much been sent there on a suicide mission to assassinate a high ranking government official. I can see everyone sadly resigning themselves to letting what had to be done be done, but the level of feels on display seemed a little much for hardened CIA officials who knew what the stakes were if the mission failed. Carrie is emotionally unhinged to begin with, so I can give her a pass, but people like Saul getting all high and mighty when having to sacrifice a pawn that he personally liked to take the queen seemed a bit of a stretch. You can't get in a position like Saul's without being able to sacrifice some people for the greater good, that's just the sad fact of the matter.

Plus, I understand Carrie being under the protection of their new asset to a certain extent, but it seemed like no one in Terhan was at all suspicious of this whitebread woman wondering around angrily talking to someone on her cell phone. She was making herself so visible, SOMEONE else in their security forces and intelligence should have noticed.
 
2013-12-16 01:22:53 PM

brigid_fitch: AHS: Coven SPOILERS:
I'm guessing Queenie didn't survive since Marie showed up at the Coven by herself.  Shame--what a wasted part for that actress.  Queenie had such potential, esp. when she started bonding w/Delphine and taking her racist ass down a few notches.  But then she turns her over to Marie?  Bah.  Such a good subplot, ruined.  I guess the writers realized that and had Queenie teach Delphine's disembodied head about Civil Rights but it's not the same.


This is COVEN we're talking about. Some swamp mud and some Stevie Nicks and she'll be right as rain in no time.
 
2013-12-16 01:26:41 PM

FeedTheCollapse: very good finale, but it really doesn't make up for how subpar the first 2/3s was. Though a break from the Brody plot could've arguably came earlier in the series, I think next season will be a TV version of Squeeze or Cut the Crap.


You know, for all the hate on Dana's plotline, in hindsight, it wasn't bad and I can understand why they went about exploring her aspect of everything (had to set up Brody for utter rejection)

That said, I'm curious what will happen next season. I imagine Carrie and team (Quinn, Fara, Virgil, Creepy-Virgil) will be doing various things in Istanbul and whatnot. Mandy Patkinson did shave his beard, so I have a terrible feeling he won't be back next season. I was hoping that Season 4 was going to be Saul as CIA head, Carrie as new-Saul and Quinn/Fara/Virgil/Creepy-Virgil being her team as they kick ass, take names, fight terrorism both home and abroad.

oh well, maybe we'll have a new enemy to focus on instead of "OMG ISLAMISTS!!!". I mean Turkey is the go between of Europe and Asia.
 
2013-12-16 01:29:12 PM

Mad_Radhu: but people like Saul getting all high and mighty when having to sacrifice a pawn that he personally liked to take the queen seemed a bit of a stretch. You can't get in a position like Saul's without being able to sacrifice some people for the greater good, that's just the sad fact of the matter.


Saul's reaction was more of being screwed over his original plan by Senator Dickface and feeling resigned to the fact that he's no longer director, despite setting up warming relations with Iran.

Mad_Radhu: Plus, I understand Carrie being under the protection of their new asset to a certain extent, but it seemed like no one in Terhan was at all suspicious of this whitebread woman wondering around angrily talking to someone on her cell phone. She was making herself so visible, SOMEONE else in their security forces and intelligence should have noticed.


if they did, they probably were ordered by Javardi not to do anything. Remember that last night, he had complete control of the Republican Guard
 
2013-12-16 01:36:18 PM

somedude210: Mandy Patkinson did shave his beard, so I have a terrible feeling he won't be back next season


Has anyone announced if he will be back? Mandy Patkinson is a moody actor and likes to quit things when he's cross.
 
2013-12-16 01:39:20 PM

somedude210: Mad_Radhu: Plus, I understand Carrie being under the protection of their new asset to a certain extent, but it seemed like no one in Terhan was at all suspicious of this whitebread woman wondering around angrily talking to someone on her cell phone. She was making herself so visible, SOMEONE else in their security forces and intelligence should have noticed.

if they did, they probably were ordered by Javardi not to do anything. Remember that last night, he had complete control of the Republican Guard


I thought that when all that was happening he was still in the running, but hadn't been given full control yet. So there were some men loyal to him that would shut up about any weird stuff, but I'd think that before he consolidated power there would be some competing factions that would have noticed something and could have used evidence of him trying to protect Carrie as a sign of either weakness or that he was compromised. It generally takes time to replace all of the old guard with your trusted people in a position like his.
 
2013-12-16 01:44:02 PM

Mad_Radhu: So there were some men loyal to him that would shut up about any weird stuff, but I'd think that before he consolidated power there would be some competing factions that would have noticed something and could have used evidence of him trying to protect Carrie as a sign of either weakness or that he was compromised.


True, you're right to be confused, but if you remember Javardi's call with Saul and Dar Adal where he confirmed that Brody did kill the guy, he mentioned that he was leading the investigation and that Brody would need to be captured in order to solidify his place in power. It was always assumed that Javardi was the #2 guy behind the dude Brody killed. The purpose was to get rid of that guy so Javardi could swoop in and take his place.
 
2013-12-16 01:51:07 PM
Just watched it. Not sure I'll watch next season. They killed off the only real reason to watch, which leaves the other reasons to watch no reason to be on the show.
 
2013-12-16 01:57:41 PM
Last night felt, oddly, like a series finale:  Like they didn't think there was gonna be a 4th, then got the go ahead and were all 'Oh shiat:  Guess it's 4 months later!'  Granted, there was no where else for Brody to go:  They just couldn't make him 'redeemable' in any way, under any circumstances, given his story arc:  The US can't take him back, The CIA has farked him beyond all reason, The middle east wants his ass, hard...he was a man without a country in Homeland Universe, and only knew how to serve a country.

Damian Lewis brought his A game this season:  Granted, it was only for a few episodes, but still - just bravo.  (Almost wondering if his 'lack' of appearances was designed to make him eligible for supporting actor for Emmy's? Lewis has been amazing this season...but it's a really shiatty time for any actor to have brought their A game, thanks to Breaking Bad closing out at the top of it's game, with a step ladder on top!)

The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for:  Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone.  Just heartbreaking.

But something that bugged the ever-loving shiat outta me:  Can't imagine the CIA lobby just 'shuts down' after 5...and I would expect the CIA has cameras everwhere - and Carrie just got caught defacing a national memorial?  Srsly?
 
2013-12-16 01:59:32 PM

BeatrixK: The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for:  Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone.  Just heartbreaking


I really do not have an answer for this, is that how they really do it in Iran? At least back in the day we'd try to snap their necks first.
 
2013-12-16 02:02:03 PM

somedude210: oh well, maybe we'll have a new enemy to focus on instead of "OMG ISLAMISTS!!!". I mean Turkey is the go between of Europe and Asia.


Good call. It would be interesting to see them focus on a manhunt for a Snowden analogue through eastern Europe, while he exposes more and more incriminating things about the US Government (hopefully the State or Defense departments this time - they've already beat up the CIA enough).

If they wanted to, the showrunners could even use their not-Snowden to expose some nasty deals that Lockhart oversaw while he was a Senator, paving the way for Saul's return to the directorship (if Mandy Patinkin is even still interested in the character at this point), or for Dar Adal to take over.
 
2013-12-16 02:07:07 PM

Confabulat: BeatrixK: The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for:  Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone.  Just heartbreaking

I really do not have an answer for this, is that how they really do it in Iran? At least back in the day we'd try to snap their necks first.


If anything it was remarkably un-brutal for what some of their punishments can entail.  I have no problem believing that they'd execute an Enemy of the State that slowly.

And yes, this was, sadly, the most logical outcome to the way the season had gone thus far.  I thought there was an outside chance that Brody gets out alive, but I figured it was unlikely since that more than anything would have meant the end of the show.  Unless they'd come up with some truly insane plot contrivance Brody's reaction after getting out alive would have been to do a life-long impression of the most boring, steady, non-risk-taking man in the world.  As nice as that might have been for him, I don't know how well 56 minutes of Brody doing housework, grocery shopping, and managing Carrie's shiat would have done in the ratings.
 
2013-12-16 02:07:27 PM
Homeland. HOMELAND. HOMELAND!
 
2013-12-16 02:20:38 PM

clkeagle: Good call. It would be interesting to see them focus on a manhunt for a Snowden analogue through eastern Europe, while he exposes more and more incriminating things about the US Government (hopefully the State or Defense departments this time - they've already beat up the CIA enough).

If they wanted to, the showrunners could even use their not-Snowden to expose some nasty deals that Lockhart oversaw while he was a Senator, paving the way for Saul's return to the directorship (if Mandy Patinkin is even still interested in the character at this point), or for Dar Adal to take over.


I was thinking like Eastern Europeans or Chetchyns or someone but I like the Snowden idea for one arc. Maybe he'd just start releasing info on other agencies and, tossed in the mix, was the video/documents from the dead VP when he was head of the CIA ordering the killing of children from Season 1 and tie everything back in just a bit.

I would've thought maybe the Chinese or Best Koreans but being in Istanbul really doesn't open that sort of plot up. oh well. I'm curious where they go and whether Saul returns. Or maybe we get a rivalry going between Saul's private contractors and the CIA. That'd be interesting
 
2013-12-16 02:23:15 PM

yukichigai: Confabulat: BeatrixK: The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for:  Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone.  Just heartbreaking

I really do not have an answer for this, is that how they really do it in Iran? At least back in the day we'd try to snap their necks first.

If anything it was remarkably un-brutal for what some of their punishments can entail.  I have no problem believing that they'd execute an Enemy of the State that slowly.

And yes, this was, sadly, the most logical outcome to the way the season had gone thus far.  I thought there was an outside chance that Brody gets out alive, but I figured it was unlikely since that more than anything would have meant the end of the show.  Unless they'd come up with some truly insane plot contrivance Brody's reaction after getting out alive would have been to do a life-long impression of the most boring, steady, non-risk-taking man in the world.  As nice as that might have been for him, I don't know how well 56 minutes of Brody doing housework, grocery shopping, and managing Carrie's shiat would have done in the ratings.


Not well... They already learned that earlier this season when they accidentally recorded an episode using a Dawson's Creek script.

At least that's what I hope happened. Because only a complete idiot would think that viewers of an international spy drama want to watch a spoiled high schooler and her boyfriend run away from her benevolent mother. And nobody would ever let a complete idiot run a season of a successful show, right?
 
2013-12-16 02:23:22 PM

Confabulat: BeatrixK: The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for:  Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone.  Just heartbreaking

I really do not have an answer for this, is that how they really do it in Iran? At least back in the day we'd try to snap their necks first.


Plus it seemed kind of odd that everything was so ad-hoc with the crane. You'd figure that they'd have a more permanent gallows set up considering that they lead the world in executions.
 
2013-12-16 02:27:55 PM

BeatrixK: The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for: Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone. Just heartbreaking.


THIS. Just god this.

I literally couldn't sleep last night. That's never happened to me. I sat in bed for hours and couldn't sleep after that.
 
2013-12-16 02:32:32 PM

Mad_Radhu: Confabulat: BeatrixK: The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for:  Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone.  Just heartbreaking

I really do not have an answer for this, is that how they really do it in Iran? At least back in the day we'd try to snap their necks first.

Plus it seemed kind of odd that everything was so ad-hoc with the crane. You'd figure that they'd have a more permanent gallows set up considering that they lead the world in executions.


The only part I found unbelievable is that they didn't torture him before they executed him. He killed their leader.
 
2013-12-16 02:35:11 PM
Brody had to go, unfortunately.  Involving him any more would have taken on Gilligan's-Island like silliness.  I was surprised he survived last season.

Anyone know about the contract lengths for him and Saul?  It could be like Downton Abbey where they all get killed off because they quit.

Next year they can have a fresh start and try and bring the things that made the first season so great without worrying about tying up plotlines.

Mad_Radhu: lus it seemed kind of odd that everything was so ad-hoc with the crane. You'd figure that they'd have a more permanent gallows set up considering that they lead the world in executions.


Don't google it, but if you had you wouldn't think that.  I think the crane method is very common, and brutal.
 
2013-12-16 02:41:39 PM

The Dynamite Monkey: Don't google it, but if you had you wouldn't think that.  I think the crane method is very common, and brutal.


Those people are farking savages and no wonder they can't act like adults on the world table.
 
2013-12-16 02:56:47 PM

Mad_Radhu: Confabulat: BeatrixK: The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for:  Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone.  Just heartbreaking

I really do not have an answer for this, is that how they really do it in Iran? At least back in the day we'd try to snap their necks first.

Plus it seemed kind of odd that everything was so ad-hoc with the crane. You'd figure that they'd have a more permanent gallows set up considering that they lead the world in executions.


That's how they do it over there.  They intentionally use the crane so you choke to death
 
2013-12-16 03:00:07 PM
I've only seen the first two episodes of the series, but if Danes's character did exclaim "I'm so freaking sad," as the article says, then I don't feel I've missed much quality writing.
 
2013-12-16 03:04:55 PM

Confabulat: The Dynamite Monkey: Don't google it, but if you had you wouldn't think that.  I think the crane method is very common, and brutal.

Those people are farking savages and no wonder they can't act like adults on the world table.


None of the execution methods in use today can be described as anything other than brutal.  If there were any mercy in the system we would use nitrogen asphyxiation, but death penalty proponents see the suffering of the condemned as a feature, not a bug.
 
2013-12-16 03:05:43 PM

The Dynamite Monkey: Brody had to go, unfortunately. Involving him any more would have taken on Gilligan's-Island like silliness. I was surprised he survived last season.


That's what made me really enjoy the finale. When I heard Homeland had been renewed for a 4th season I was already groaning going into the finale, honestly thinking Brody would get out and we'd have ANOTHER ridiculous set up for another season of him being played up as a double agent where nobody knows whether to trust him (either that, somehow pretending he could continue being a reliable field agent after a public assassination or they play the "stay at home daddy" angle.)

Either end the show now or cut it off from all the previous plotlines so it can be a functionally new show exploring similar themes.
 
2013-12-16 03:15:09 PM
Just as a matter of interest, what happens at this point in the original Israeli series on which Homeland is based? Or have the plots diverged so far that no meaningful comparison is possible?
 
kab
2013-12-16 03:18:18 PM
Finale was a layer of bullshiat frosting on a rather lackluster overall season.   It's sad that Brody died, sad HOW he died, but more importantly, in killing off one very critical character, and severing the dynamics of a few others (Saul leaving the CIA, confirmed essential removal of Brody's family from the show, etc) they've now written themselves into a corner that basically has them starting from scratch next year.

You aren't George Martin, guys.   Killing Ned Stark only works because so many other rather important stories are going on.   But with this finale, exactly what do you think folks are going to tune in for?   The Carrie and Quinn show?   The Saul's restless and wants to go back to work schtick?

Good luck.   You'll need it.

 
2013-12-16 03:26:43 PM

kab: Finale was a layer of bullshiat frosting on a rather lackluster overall season.   It's sad that Brody died, sad HOW he died, but more importantly, in killing off one very critical character, and severing the dynamics of a few others (Saul leaving the CIA, confirmed essential removal of Brody's family from the show, etc) they've now written themselves into a corner that basically has them starting from scratch next year.

You aren't George Martin, guys.   Killing Ned Stark only works because so many other rather important stories are going on.   But with this finale, exactly what do you think folks are going to tune in for?   The Carrie and Quinn show?   The Saul's restless and wants to go back to work schtick?

Good luck.   You'll need it.


Well said. Felt like a series finale to me. Can't decide if that' show I'm going to treat it next year
 
2013-12-16 03:27:29 PM

ukexpat: Just as a matter of interest, what happens at this point in the original Israeli series on which Homeland is based? Or have the plots diverged so far that no meaningful comparison is possible?


That series lasted exactly one year, I believe.
 
2013-12-16 03:30:22 PM
One thing I'd be interested in knowing is if they already had this ending finished or if they went back to do some extra filmwork in the last month or so to update the ending. Because if they actually purposely threw in "the talks in Geneva succeeded; it never would have happened without the CIA assassination and getting Javardi in power" as a result of the short term nuclear deal we've just signed off on it's a real disservice to the people who actually are busting their ass getting something done through soft power rather than these huge operations (which the show goes out of the way to point out just as often blow up in your face as succeed.)
 
2013-12-16 03:37:09 PM
So, Brody was publicly hanged for assassinating the leader of Iran. And the public also still thinks he's the Langley bomber. It's also public knowledge that he was banging an active CIA field agent.

This might be the most unbelievable thing to happen on Homeland. A Marine, POW for years, returns and becomes a U.S. Congressman, blows up Langley, somehow escapes, it comes out in congressional hearings that he was CIA affiliated and was in a relationship with an agent, and a few months later he turns up in Iran out of the blue and kills their leader, supposedly working alone. Sounds legit? In a world where a sizable chunk of people think something as straightforward as the 9/11 attacks are an inside job, I can't imagine this would not be viewed with 'skepticism with extreme prejudice'.  And that's without bringing up that Brody was with the VP when he died, which might also be public.

Season 4 should just be them dealing with all the domestic terror groups that have sprung up in response to the facts above.
 
2013-12-16 03:40:07 PM
I was waiting for Carrie to ring Jess Brody's doorbell and give her the baby,  "She's a cute little bastard"


Why not promote Carrie to station chief? Lockwood knows that Carrie is only bi-polar, unpredictable, almost always refuses direct orders, allows her judgement to be clouded, is carrying the out-of-wedlock baby of her target, and just added her own star to the wall and is unquestionably loyal his predecessor.

"Carrie, you know why Saul had to go.." Why? Because he engineered world peace without using a drone? (Because Mandy Patinkin never stays with a series this long.)

Hey, Carrie, way to be undercover, climb the fence and nobody in the crowd is going to notice that an American woman is flipping out.

Brody should have had a chance to talk to an Iman and scream out one last "Allah Akbar!"

Mo Ryan hits right on a lot of the points:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mauree...b_4451104.html

No to mention that everything - EVERYTHING that happened,  happened in 4 MONTHS - between Carrie and Nick at the cabin making the baby to the very end where Carrie is 4 Months pregnant.

In 4 MONTHS: the suicide vest; the VP is killed; track and kill Abu Nazzir; the Langley bombing; Brody's long trip around the world to hell in Caracas; Carrie gets locked up and doped up in the mental ward; She gets sprung; they lure, turn, and send back Javardi, Brody's Heroin addiction, recovery, retraining, insertion to Iran, the end.

That hospital must have a hella of compressed rehab program.
 
2013-12-16 03:43:07 PM

you are a puppet: So, Brody was publicly hanged for assassinating the leader of Iran. And the public also still thinks he's the Langley bomber. It's also public knowledge that he was banging an active CIA field agent.

This might be the most unbelievable thing to happen on Homeland. A Marine, POW for years, returns and becomes a U.S. Congressman, blows up Langley, somehow escapes, it comes out in congressional hearings that he was CIA affiliated and was in a relationship with an agent, and a few months later he turns up in Iran out of the blue and kills their leader, supposedly working alone. Sounds legit? In a world where a sizable chunk of people think something as straightforward as the 9/11 attacks are an inside job, I can't imagine this would not be viewed with 'skepticism with extreme prejudice'.  And that's without bringing up that Brody was with the VP when he died, which might also be public.


Imagine that the way it'll come off is that the U.S. made nice with Iran because they did the U.S. a favor and dealt with that terrorist.

Another WTF is with Senator Lockwood's indignation with the CIa when Nick Brody was a member of his own Congress (and his party?)  Quick to the history erasure machine!
 
2013-12-16 03:49:14 PM

netringer: I was waiting for Carrie to ring Jess Brody's doorbell and give her the baby,  "She's a cute little bastard"


Why not promote Carrie to station chief? Lockwood knows that Carrie is only bi-polar, unpredictable, almost always refuses direct orders, allows her judgement to be clouded, is carrying the out-of-wedlock baby of her target, and just added her own star to the wall and is unquestionably loyal his predecessor.

"Carrie, you know why Saul had to go.." Why? Because he engineered world peace without using a drone? (Because Mandy Patinkin never stays with a series this long.)

Hey, Carrie, way to be undercover, climb the fence and nobody in the crowd is going to notice that an American woman is flipping out.

Brody should have had a chance to talk to an Iman and scream out one last "Allah Akbar!"

Mo Ryan hits right on a lot of the points:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mauree...b_4451104.html

No to mention that everything - EVERYTHING that happened,  happened in 4 MONTHS - between Carrie and Nick at the cabin making the baby to the very end where Carrie is 4 Months pregnant.

In 4 MONTHS: the suicide vest; the VP is killed; track and kill Abu Nazzir; the Langley bombing; Brody's long trip around the world to hell in Caracas; Carrie gets locked up and doped up in the mental ward; She gets sprung; they lure, turn, and send back Javardi, Brody's Heroin addiction, recovery, retraining, insertion to Iran, the end.

That hospital must have a hella of compressed rehab program.


Well the suicide vest and Abu Nasir happened before that. The 4 months starts from the 2nd time they are at the cabin (when Quinn is stalking them)
 
2013-12-16 03:50:08 PM

Grungehamster: One thing I'd be interested in knowing is if they already had this ending finished or if they went back to do some extra filmwork in the last month or so to update the ending. Because if they actually purposely threw in "the talks in Geneva succeeded; it never would have happened without the CIA assassination and getting Javardi in power" as a result of the short term nuclear deal we've just signed off on it's a real disservice to the people who actually are busting their ass getting something done through soft power rather than these huge operations (which the show goes out of the way to point out just as often blow up in your face as succeed.)


I read a lot of stuff online and I can't remember where I read it, but I read somewhere the writers had no idea that would happen in real life.
 
2013-12-16 04:22:39 PM

BeatrixK: Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone. Just heartbreaking.


Concurs:

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2013-12-16 04:24:39 PM

Confabulat: ukexpat: Just as a matter of interest, what happens at this point in the original Israeli series on which Homeland is based? Or have the plots diverged so far that no meaningful comparison is possible?

That series lasted exactly one year, I believe.


From my understanding, that show was less to do with terrorism and more to do with what happens when Israeli POWs get returned home via prisoner exchanges.

How that turned into this, I have no idea
 
2013-12-16 05:37:47 PM

Mad_Radhu: FeedTheCollapse: very good finale, but it really doesn't make up for how subpar the first 2/3s was. Though a break from the Brody plot could've arguably came earlier in the series, I think next season will be a TV version of Squeeze or Cut the Crap.

Honestly, I thought everyone was being really emo considering that Brody had pretty much been sent there on a suicide mission to assassinate a high ranking government official. I can see everyone sadly resigning themselves to letting what had to be done be done, but the level of feels on display seemed a little much for hardened CIA officials who knew what the stakes were if the mission failed. Carrie is emotionally unhinged to begin with, so I can give her a pass, but people like Saul getting all high and mighty when having to sacrifice a pawn that he personally liked to take the queen seemed a bit of a stretch. You can't get in a position like Saul's without being able to sacrifice some people for the greater good, that's just the sad fact of the matter.

Plus, I understand Carrie being under the protection of their new asset to a certain extent, but it seemed like no one in Terhan was at all suspicious of this whitebread woman wondering around angrily talking to someone on her cell phone. She was making herself so visible, SOMEONE else in their security forces and intelligence should have noticed.



yeah, I was kind of wondering how none of the Quds pieced together that they were apparently ordered not to capture a person harboring a fugitive; to say nothing of Brody mentioning Jivadi before seeing Akbari.


somedude210: You know, for all the hate on Dana's plotline, in hindsight, it wasn't bad and I can understand why they went about exploring her aspect of everything (had to set up Brody for utter rejection)


eh, I kind of knew that that's what they were getting at (minus the details of where the plot would go), but the Dana plot really should've been confined to a 2 episode arch near the beginning. It's not that I was against what they were trying to do, but how it played out was entirely inane.
 
2013-12-16 06:24:57 PM

KingKauff: Haven't watched an episode yet this year. Got it all dvr'd though.


Thanks for letting us know. I know I was concerned you might not have done so.
 
2013-12-16 07:16:06 PM

Mad_Radhu: Confabulat: BeatrixK: The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for:  Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone.  Just heartbreaking

I really do not have an answer for this, is that how they really do it in Iran? At least back in the day we'd try to snap their necks first.

Plus it seemed kind of odd that everything was so ad-hoc with the crane. You'd figure that they'd have a more permanent gallows set up considering that they lead the world in executions.


Check out the videos of real executions/hangings over there. Honestly that scene was not to far off.
 
2013-12-17 01:27:33 AM

clkeagle: yukichigai: Confabulat: BeatrixK: The hanging was far more brutal than I was prepared for:  Just watching Brody slowly die - in front of an audience of people cheering on his demise...completely alone.  Just heartbreaking

I really do not have an answer for this, is that how they really do it in Iran? At least back in the day we'd try to snap their necks first.

If anything it was remarkably un-brutal for what some of their punishments can entail.  I have no problem believing that they'd execute an Enemy of the State that slowly.

And yes, this was, sadly, the most logical outcome to the way the season had gone thus far.  I thought there was an outside chance that Brody gets out alive, but I figured it was unlikely since that more than anything would have meant the end of the show.  Unless they'd come up with some truly insane plot contrivance Brody's reaction after getting out alive would have been to do a life-long impression of the most boring, steady, non-risk-taking man in the world.  As nice as that might have been for him, I don't know how well 56 minutes of Brody doing housework, grocery shopping, and managing Carrie's shiat would have done in the ratings.

Not well... They already learned that earlier this season when they accidentally recorded an episode using a Dawson's Creek script.

At least that's what I hope happened. Because only a complete idiot would think that viewers of an international spy drama want to watch a spoiled high schooler and her boyfriend run away from her benevolent mother. And nobody would ever let a complete idiot run a season of a successful show, right?


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Nope, never.
 
2013-12-17 02:01:23 AM

Mad_Radhu: FeedTheCollapse: very good finale, but it really doesn't make up for how subpar the first 2/3s was. Though a break from the Brody plot could've arguably came earlier in the series, I think next season will be a TV version of Squeeze or Cut the Crap.

Honestly, I thought everyone was being really emo considering that Brody had pretty much been sent there on a suicide mission to assassinate a high ranking government official. I can see everyone sadly resigning themselves to letting what had to be done be done, but the level of feels on display seemed a little much for hardened CIA officials who knew what the stakes were if the mission failed. Carrie is emotionally unhinged to begin with, so I can give her a pass, but people like Saul getting all high and mighty when having to sacrifice a pawn that he personally liked to take the queen seemed a bit of a stretch. You can't get in a position like Saul's without being able to sacrifice some people for the greater good, that's just the sad fact of the matter.

Plus, I understand Carrie being under the protection of their new asset to a certain extent, but it seemed like no one in Terhan was at all suspicious of this whitebread woman wondering around angrily talking to someone on her cell phone. She was making herself so visible, SOMEONE else in their security forces and intelligence should have noticed.


Well remember, everyone thought Brody had turned. When he accomplished the mission even after everyone but Carrie had given up on him, it's not surprising there would be a lot of grief on many levels. He proved to be better than they were.
 
2013-12-17 11:41:16 AM

Confabulat: I really do not have an answer for this, is that how they really do it in Iran? At least back in the day we'd try to snap their necks first.


Yes. Yes it is.
 
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