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2013-12-16 07:44:02 AM
Florida is one of about 34 states, that absolves parents of any criminal prosecution if infants younger than 7 days old are relinquished at a designated "safe haven" location like a hospital or fire station.

All 50 states now have Safe Haven laws.
 
2013-12-16 08:12:01 AM
I can only suggest they name her Halibut or Haddock, "Orange Roughy" will just get her beaten up.
 
2013-12-16 08:12:46 AM
A newborn baby girl is doing fine after she was found naked and wrapped in newspaper

It's a message. It means Anthony "Naked Baby" Tieri has met an unfortunate end.
 
2013-12-16 08:49:24 AM
$5.36 a pound
 
2013-12-16 08:54:27 AM
I see it is time for my "Safe Haven Law" spiel again.

Every single state in the farkin' United States has some form of "Safe Haven" law, where you can drop a newborn baby off anonymously at a hospital or occupied fire or police station* and you will not be prosecuted for child abandonment.

The distaffbopper and I are the beneficiary of someone using our state's Safe Haven law:  The littlebopper, now a very precocious and intelligent nearly-10 year old boy, was left anonymously at the local hospital by a young mother who had apparently gotten pregnant and for whatever reason had decided that abortion was not an option for her.

We are forever in her debt, anonymous though she remains, because she gave the most precious gift of all to a couple that would have almost certainly remained childless due to fertility issues:  A healthy newborn infant.

For 18 months, the littlebopper was known officially as "Boy Doe", up until the day the adoption was finalized and he legally took the name that we had called him all along**.   He's now in the gifted program at his school.  Think of the possible waste of a precious life if he had been just dumped at some random location.

So ladies, if you are pregnant and scared and for whatever reason abortion is not an option for you, look into your state's "Safe Haven" or "Baby Moses" law.

You will not get in trouble if you follow your states law.

You will be saving a precious young life.

And and you might just make a childless couple the happiest people on Earth.


*Also sometimes includes occupied doctors offices, occupied EMS, etc.  Check your state for the actual regulations

**Which caused some heartburn:  We once were accused of attempting to commit fraud by a pharmacist who was new and didn't know us because the prescription for oral antibiotic for an ear infection had his name on it from the doctor's office, while his Medicaid card (he couldn't go on my insurance until after the adoption) said "Boy Doe".
 
2013-12-16 09:20:38 AM
tree-fiddy.
 
2013-12-16 09:38:15 AM
dittybopper, you are my hero!

/what a lucky littlebopper
 
2013-12-16 09:54:11 AM

dittybopper: I see it is time for my "Safe Haven Law" spiel again.


It must be the 9th or 10th time I see your story and I won't tire to read it any time you post it.
 
2013-12-16 10:04:35 AM

Flab: dittybopper: I see it is time for my "Safe Haven Law" spiel again.

It must be the 9th or 10th time I see your story and I won't tire to read it any time you post it.


And I will *KEEP* posting it ever single time one of these stories crop up, because I think it's important that people know about these laws.

Look for these signs:

www.examiner.com
 
2013-12-16 10:05:23 AM

SecretAgentWoman: dittybopper, you are my hero!

/what a lucky littlebopper


Actually, the distaffbopper and I are the lucky ones.
 
2013-12-16 10:07:51 AM

dittybopper: The distaffbopper and I are the beneficiary of someone using our state's Safe Haven law: The littlebopper, now a very precocious and intelligent nearly-10 year old boy, was left anonymously at the local hospital by a young mother who had apparently gotten pregnant and for whatever reason had decided that abortion was not an option for her.


Thought while your story has a very happy ending, and its awesome in and of itself. It is also the rarity, most abandoned children end up as wards of the state shifting from foster family to foster family. Also this law has created a spate of parents who are abandoning children as old as 16 under the auspice that they cannot care for them or find the correct mental care they need.

Basically what I am getting at, is that though while this law that you benefited from had good outcomes for you. It does not address the underlying issue of poverty, lack of proper access to women's care, and lack of assistance for mental health problems.

I'm happy it worked out so well in your instance though, just a shame that's the outlier and not the norm.
 
2013-12-16 10:11:25 AM
i2.listal.com

It's worth asking.

Just don't ask if she comes with a Miss Piggy. You're just asking for all hell to break loose.
 
2013-12-16 10:13:37 AM
You just don't get these sorts of good deal finds on Amazon.
 
2013-12-16 10:19:56 AM
Why I myself as a pup was worth...$30,000 on the black market - them is 1954 dollars.

/HE'S OUR BABY, TOO!
 
2013-12-16 10:20:21 AM

dittybopper:
The distaffbopper and I are the beneficiary of someone using our state's Safe Haven law


1. Thank you for the info. I had no idea these laws existed and I am glad they do.

2. Hats off to you and yours :)
 
2013-12-16 10:22:02 AM

hogans: [i2.listal.com image 512x288]

It's worth asking.

Just don't ask if she comes with a Miss Piggy. You're just asking for all hell to break loose.


How much for the little girl?
 
2013-12-16 10:22:43 AM
SOCIAL MEDIA: allowing boorish assholes to become worldwide boorish assholes.  Thanks Al Gore!
 
2013-12-16 10:23:50 AM
Doh!  Wrong thread.....what a boorish asshole am I....
 
2013-12-16 10:27:10 AM

namegoeshere: Florida is one of about 34 states, that absolves parents of any criminal prosecution if infants younger than 7 days old are relinquished at a designated "safe haven" location like a hospital or fire station.

All 50 states now have Safe Haven laws.


They don't all have them for the same time period. Many states cover 7-14 days, some go as high as a year. A few, like California, only cover the first 72 hours after birth.
 
2013-12-16 10:28:02 AM

Crudbucket: namegoeshere: Florida is one of about 34 states, that absolves parents of any criminal prosecution if infants younger than 7 days old are relinquished at a designated "safe haven" location like a hospital or fire station.

All 50 states now have Safe Haven laws.

They don't all have them for the same time period. Many states cover 7-14 days, some go as high as a year. A few, like California, only cover the first 72 hours after birth.


Safe Haven laws by State
 
2013-12-16 10:30:06 AM
www.hrwiki.org

We need a price check on two babies
 
2013-12-16 10:31:56 AM

Crudbucket: Crudbucket: namegoeshere: Florida is one of about 34 states, that absolves parents of any criminal prosecution if infants younger than 7 days old are relinquished at a designated "safe haven" location like a hospital or fire station.

All 50 states now have Safe Haven laws.

They don't all have them for the same time period. Many states cover 7-14 days, some go as high as a year. A few, like California, only cover the first 72 hours after birth.

Safe Haven laws by State


Neat I had no idea Georgia got the drop off locations right (a shock for my state)  any medical type office, will do.
 
2013-12-16 10:41:15 AM

Flab: dittybopper: I see it is time for my "Safe Haven Law" spiel again.

It must be the 9th or 10th time I see your story and I won't tire to read it any time you post it.


Whenever I see a post about an abandoned baby, I actually check the thread to see if dittybopper has already commented or not.  :)  And same - it's a fantastic story.
 
2013-12-16 10:41:44 AM
free cat?
 
2013-12-16 10:42:55 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: The distaffbopper and I are the beneficiary of someone using our state's Safe Haven law: The littlebopper, now a very precocious and intelligent nearly-10 year old boy, was left anonymously at the local hospital by a young mother who had apparently gotten pregnant and for whatever reason had decided that abortion was not an option for her.

Thought while your story has a very happy ending, and its awesome in and of itself. It is also the rarity, most abandoned children end up as wards of the state shifting from foster family to foster family. Also this law has created a spate of parents who are abandoning children as old as 16 under the auspice that they cannot care for them or find the correct mental care they need.

Basically what I am getting at, is that though while this law that you benefited from had good outcomes for you. It does not address the underlying issue of poverty, lack of proper access to women's care, and lack of assistance for mental health problems.

I'm happy it worked out so well in your instance though, just a shame that's the outlier and not the norm.


Actually, we looked into adoption prior to becoming foster parents.

The reality is that while there are tens of thousands of children that are freed and available for adoption at any one given moment, almost every single one has significant physical or developmental problems.

Healthy infants and young children without any significant issues are almost always immediately adopted, regardless of their race.

And btw, becareful what you say about foster parents.  I've been a certified foster parent for 10 years now (certified this very month in 2003), and in fact for the first 18  months of his life, the littlebopper was our foster child.  We've had numerous placements since then, but now we only do "respite" care, because it hurts too farkin' much to take care of a child for a month, 6 months, or a year and then have them leave.  So now, we do it for a weekend or a week here and there, to give other foster parents a break and the ability to take a vacation (you can't take a foster child out of the state).

In fact, we just had one of our "regulars" who isn't even in the foster system anymore stay with us over the weekend, so his legal guardian grandmother could take a break.  Typical of the sort of kid that often ends up in foster care, he has some special needs.  He has pretty severe ADHD, some anger issues if you get him riled up, and he is on the low side of the Bell Curve developmentally, but fundamentally he is a good kid.  You still have to watch him like a hawk, though, for the warning signs he's going to go into a rage, and separate him until he calms down.

That amount of supervision can be exhausting, and willingly adopting a child with similar problems or even worse takes a special kind of person.

Of course, when we took in the littlebopper, we didn't know what particular problems he might have.  Many of those problems don't manifest themselves in the first week (we took him home when he was 6 days old).  So like for all parents, or perhaps even more so because we had no control or even any real knowledge of what the birth mother did during the pregnancy, we were rolling the dice.

It just so happens, we hit the lottery, and we *KNOW* it.

But for all that, I can pretty much guarantee you that any healthy newborn is going to be adopted pretty damned quickly (and 18 months is quickly in New York State).
 
2013-12-16 10:45:10 AM
Hell, even some of the gas station chains around where I live are designated Safe Haven locations... they have signs posted outside and everything.
 
2013-12-16 10:46:32 AM

dittybopper: The reality is that while there are tens of thousands of children that are freed and available for adoption at any one given moment, almost every single one has significant physical or developmental problems.


That was my point really, that I'm happy for you but your success is still the outlier and we need to as a nation address the underlying problems.
 
2013-12-16 10:47:04 AM
50% off if you buy diapers and formula to go with it.
 
2013-12-16 10:47:41 AM
Healthy white baby? What else you got? Said they got two Koreans and a negra born with his heart on the outside. It's a crazy world.

static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-12-16 10:47:45 AM

dittybopper: I see it is time for my "Safe Haven Law" spiel again.

Every single state in the farkin' United States has some form of "Safe Haven" law, where you can drop a newborn baby off anonymously at a hospital or occupied fire or police station* and you will not be prosecuted for child abandonment.

The distaffbopper and I are the beneficiary of someone using our state's Safe Haven law:  The littlebopper, now a very precocious and intelligent nearly-10 year old boy, was left anonymously at the local hospital by a young mother who had apparently gotten pregnant and for whatever reason had decided that abortion was not an option for her.

We are forever in her debt, anonymous though she remains, because she gave the most precious gift of all to a couple that would have almost certainly remained childless due to fertility issues:  A healthy newborn infant.

For 18 months, the littlebopper was known officially as "Boy Doe", up until the day the adoption was finalized and he legally took the name that we had called him all along**.   He's now in the gifted program at his school.  Think of the possible waste of a precious life if he had been just dumped at some random location.

So ladies, if you are pregnant and scared and for whatever reason abortion is not an option for you, look into your state's "Safe Haven" or "Baby Moses" law.

You will not get in trouble if you follow your states law.

You will be saving a precious young life.

And and you might just make a childless couple the happiest people on Earth.

*Also sometimes includes occupied doctors offices, occupied EMS, etc.  Check your state for the actual regulations

**Which caused some heartburn:  We once were accused of attempting to commit fraud by a pharmacist who was new and didn't know us because the prescription for oral antibiotic for an ear infection had his name on it from the doctor's office, while his Medicaid card (he couldn't go on my insurance until after the adoption) said "Boy Doe".


Dude, you've made my morning.
 
2013-12-16 10:50:30 AM
dittybopper:

But for all that, I can pretty much guarantee you that any healthy newborn is going to be adopted pretty damned quickly (and 18 months is quickly in New York State).

This is the part I don't get. I understand the wheels of government and red tape turn slowly, and my research into adoption was only cursory since we ran into several obstacles from the get go...but I have friends who fostered two sisters for 2 and half years until they officially were declared "theirs".  It wasn't even a case of battling with the mother or anything, as she willingly gave up all of her children.  They told us that you are required to foster for six months before adopting...but even then...two and a half years! I'd be biting my nails down to nubs every day!
 
2013-12-16 10:50:51 AM

Alonjar: Hell, even some of the gas station chains around where I live are designated Safe Haven locations... they have signs posted outside and everything.


Yikes.  Its nice that there are plenty of places to drop off babies but it speaks of a larger problem in the area.
 
2013-12-16 10:52:40 AM

orclover: Yikes.  Its nice that there are plenty of places to drop off babies but it speaks of a larger problem in the area.


I know, I hate brown people too.
 
2013-12-16 11:02:07 AM
just scan it...
 
2013-12-16 11:05:16 AM
When you see "Do not dispose of babies in trash cans" signs, you know you're in a bad area.  Shout out to Commerce, CA, yo!
 
2013-12-16 11:09:50 AM
media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com
 
2013-12-16 11:11:49 AM
Sometimes you find them in the microwave section.
 
2013-12-16 11:21:56 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: The distaffbopper and I are the beneficiary of someone using our state's Safe Haven law: The littlebopper, now a very precocious and intelligent nearly-10 year old boy, was left anonymously at the local hospital by a young mother who had apparently gotten pregnant and for whatever reason had decided that abortion was not an option for her.

Thought while your story has a very happy ending, and its awesome in and of itself. It is also the rarity, most abandoned children end up as wards of the state shifting from foster family to foster family. Also this law has created a spate of parents who are abandoning children as old as 16 under the auspice that they cannot care for them or find the correct mental care they need.

Basically what I am getting at, is that though while this law that you benefited from had good outcomes for you. It does not address the underlying issue of poverty, lack of proper access to women's care, and lack of assistance for mental health problems.

I'm happy it worked out so well in your instance though, just a shame that's the outlier and not the norm.


Depends completely on the age and mental health of the child.  For infants, happy adoption IS the norm.
 
2013-12-16 11:24:17 AM

teenytinycornteeth: Healthy white baby? What else you got? Said they got two Koreans and a negra born with his heart on the outside. It's a crazy world.


Heh.  From what we were told by the hospital, the littlebopper is half ethnic Korean.  They did take a very brief medical history from the birth mother.
 
2013-12-16 11:25:08 AM
Did they get offered a deal for just $847.63 per month?
 
2013-12-16 11:27:18 AM
Cleanup on Aisle Five.
 
2013-12-16 11:28:41 AM
After reading TFA, I can't believe no Garlic Jr. references have been made. It's right there in the name, guys!

Seriously though, there were a billion better places to drop off a baby safely. I've known this for as far back as my memory goes, and have never had to think about actually doing this for myself or anyone I know.

/you can also often get approved car seats from police and fire stations for free, and such places will also show you how to use them correctly if you already have one. Just tossing that out there.
 
2013-12-16 11:33:42 AM

teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

But for all that, I can pretty much guarantee you that any healthy newborn is going to be adopted pretty damned quickly (and 18 months is quickly in New York State).

This is the part I don't get. I understand the wheels of government and red tape turn slowly, and my research into adoption was only cursory since we ran into several obstacles from the get go...but I have friends who fostered two sisters for 2 and half years until they officially were declared "theirs".  It wasn't even a case of battling with the mother or anything, as she willingly gave up all of her children.  They told us that you are required to foster for six months before adopting...but even then...two and a half years! I'd be biting my nails down to nubs every day!


Which would be quite the trick with teeny tiny corn teeth.

In our case, the court had to make at least a pro-forma effort to bring the parents into court to answer charges of child abandonment.  In New York State, the Safe Haven law is an affirmative defense, sort-of like self-defense.  They can still charge you, but if you can show you acted under the law, they won't be able to secure a conviction.

Then, after that, they had to make the effort to get them into court so that they could fight against having their parental rights terminated.

We found out after the Termination of Parental Rights that a person called the hospital prior to the TPR being granted, claiming to be the mother and wanting to know what happened to the baby.  She was given the phone number of the foster care supervisor at the local Department of Social Services.  She never made that call.

All of that took about a year.  Then, we had to start the actual adoption process, which takes a while.  Didn't help that the lawyer we hired was incompetent.  We actually had to fire him and continue the case pro se in order to not have the court throw the whole thing out and make us start from the beginning.
 
2013-12-16 11:36:34 AM
It's all fun and games until you guys remember that he's one of our resident gun nuts, and that it's quite likely we'll see his little adoptee in the news someday for an accidental firearm-related death.
 
2013-12-16 11:40:04 AM

Diogenes: You just don't get these sorts of good deal finds on Amazon.


Especially if it was double coupon day.
 
2013-12-16 11:45:22 AM

dittybopper: I see it is time for my "Safe Haven Law" spiel again.

Every single state in the farkin' United States has some form of "Safe Haven" law, where you can drop a newborn baby off anonymously at a hospital or occupied fire or police station* and you will not be prosecuted for child abandonment.

The distaffbopper and I are the beneficiary of someone using our state's Safe Haven law:  The littlebopper, now a very precocious and intelligent nearly-10 year old boy, was left anonymously at the local hospital by a young mother who had apparently gotten pregnant and for whatever reason had decided that abortion was not an option for her.

We are forever in her debt, anonymous though she remains, because she gave the most precious gift of all to a couple that would have almost certainly remained childless due to fertility issues:  A healthy newborn infant.

For 18 months, the littlebopper was known officially as "Boy Doe", up until the day the adoption was finalized and he legally took the name that we had called him all along**.   He's now in the gifted program at his school.  Think of the possible waste of a precious life if he had been just dumped at some random location.

So ladies, if you are pregnant and scared and for whatever reason abortion is not an option for you, look into your state's "Safe Haven" or "Baby Moses" law.

You will not get in trouble if you follow your states law.

You will be saving a precious young life.

And and you might just make a childless couple the happiest people on Earth.

*Also sometimes includes occupied doctors offices, occupied EMS, etc.  Check your state for the actual regulations

**Which caused some heartburn:  We once were accused of attempting to commit fraud by a pharmacist who was new and didn't know us because the prescription for oral antibiotic for an ear infection had his name on it from the doctor's office, while his Medicaid card (he couldn't go on my insurance until after the adoption) said "Boy Doe".


You, sir, have made my day.

I wish all stories like this ended similarly. You have brightened my view of humanity.

/free internet beverage of your choice
//cheers
 
2013-12-16 11:45:44 AM

Khellendros: Depends completely on the age and mental health of the child.  For infants, happy adoption IS the norm.


This.

Infants are snatched up quickly.  Everybody wants to start with a tabula rasa, naturally.

We found, prior to becoming foster parents, that some places had conditions we weren't comfortable with.  For example, the Catholic adoption agency we looked into insisted upon open adoptions.  It wasn't negotiable.  But what if the birth mother turns out to be a crack-head?  Private adoptions of a healthy newborn infant, either domestically or foreign, were just too expensive.

And that left all those abused and developmentally disabled kids on the lists.

We decided to go the foster care route instead.  We let the people at Social Services know that our long-term goal was to adopt.

Turns out that a couple months prior to our getting certified, there was a baby born at the local hospital with a BAC above the legal limit(!) that was removed by CPS based solely on that.  We were possibly going to get that one, but by the time we were certified, the foster parents where that kid had been placed had grown attached*.  About a month after, we were offered a sibling group for placement, because their legal guardian was terminally ill,  so eventually they would probably have been adoptable.  We had to refuse because we didn't have enough room.

Then, one Friday morning during a snowstorm, my wife called me at work, bawling her eyes out, saying that DSS had a newborn, and the rest is history.

Most people have 8 months or so to prepare for a newborn.  We had 2 days.

*You have *NO* idea how quickly you get attached to the kids, especially the infants.
 
2013-12-16 11:56:23 AM
Are we  talking raw materials or the whole bundle?
 
2013-12-16 12:01:01 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: It's all fun and games until you guys remember that he's one of our resident gun nuts, and that it's quite likely we'll see his little adoptee in the news someday for an accidental firearm-related death.


Well, what are the actual odds?

According to the CDC, the odds that a person age 9 will die in a firearms accident is......

About 1 in 2 million.  In 2010, there were 2 such accidental firearms deaths out of a population of 4,148,353, for a crude rate of 0.05 per 100,000.

The odds of any kid under the age of 12 dying in a firearms accident is just under 1 in a million.  In 2010 there were 41 kids age 11 and under who died in firearms accidents, out of a population of 48,836,975.  The rate was 0.08 per 100,000.

Odds for everyone in all age groups is about 1 in 500,000.  There were 606 accidental firearms deaths in 2010 out of a population of 308,745,538, for a rate of about 0.20 per 100,000.

I'd say the odds are decidedly in his favor of coming through unscathed.

You, on the other hand, might want to check your panties.  They seem to have gotten twisted.
 
2013-12-16 12:07:00 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: It's all fun and games until you guys remember that he's one of our resident gun nuts, and that it's quite likely we'll see his little adoptee in the news someday for an accidental firearm-related death.


Oh, and unlike so-called "gun safety experts" like Dianne Feinstein, he knows to point it in a safe direction and to keep his booger-hook off the bang-switch:

i40.tinypic.com

/Pic with his 8th birthday present.
//He joined the SAS at 9 years of age.
///Very precocious.
 
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