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(Talking Points Memo)   McCain: Oh for fark's sake. Obama isn't Nevile Chamberlain. I swear, I'm surrounded by dumbasses   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 71
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2013-12-16 08:55:14 AM  
cdn.crooksandliars.com

www.outsidethebeltway.com
 
2013-12-16 08:55:44 AM  
And by "surrounded by dumbasses", those would be the imaginary people in his head.  Senility is fun!
 
2013-12-16 08:56:35 AM  
There goes that librul media again, printing direct quotes from Republicans!
 
2013-12-16 09:00:20 AM  

Diogenes: [cdn.crooksandliars.com image 460x380]

[www.outsidethebeltway.com image 570x328]


FTFA: "I think it was a gross exaggeration, but have no doubt that that was a great propaganda value for the Cuban government, which is oppressive, repressive and continues to jail dissidents, and continues to be ... easily the most oppressive government in our hemisphere," McCain said on CNN's "State of the Union."

Being on good terms with autocrats with gross human rights records is only cool when those autocrats are from the Eastern Hemisphere (or the dissidents in question are communists/socialists in the Western Hemisphere.)
 
2013-12-16 09:01:17 AM  
that was a great propaganda value for the Cuban government, which is oppressive, repressive and continues to jail dissidents, and continues to be ... easily the most oppressive government in our hemisphere

Except for the USA, of course.  We jail a metric crapload more of our people than the Cubans do, mostly because they're brown.
 
2013-12-16 09:01:29 AM  
That's the guy that sang "Don't Know Much" with Linda Ronstandt, right?
 
2013-12-16 09:01:29 AM  
And in another gross exaggeration, McCain is much more intelligent than the average Juggalo.
 
2013-12-16 09:04:35 AM  
and continues to jail dissidents

glad.is
 
2013-12-16 09:06:08 AM  
You said it, jackass
 
2013-12-16 09:06:09 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: that was a great propaganda value for the Cuban government, which is oppressive, repressive and continues to jail dissidents, and continues to be ... easily the most oppressive government in our hemisphere

Except for the USA, of course.  We jail a metric crapload more of our people than the Cubans do, mostly because they're brown.


Watching the panel on Real Time a few weeks ago try to explain why we really, truly, definitely must keep Cuba on the "naughty" list but not the dozens of other countries with worse records was great entertainment.
 
2013-12-16 09:06:16 AM  

Grungehamster: Being on good terms with autocrats with gross human rights records is only cool when those autocrats are from the Eastern Hemisphere (or the dissidents in question are communists/socialists in the Western Hemisphere.)


"Dictators are swell if they like the smell of American money."  ~  Cop Shoot Cop
 
2013-12-16 09:07:22 AM  

Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]


Those aren't dissidents, those are the poor.
 
2013-12-16 09:09:11 AM  
Wasn't he just threatening to strike the Ukraine?

*seinfeldukraine.jpg*
 
2013-12-16 09:12:24 AM  

Diogenes: [cdn.crooksandliars.com image 460x380]

[www.outsidethebeltway.com image 570x328]


To be fair, Gaddafy  is a very interesting man.  Most crazy people are interesting.
 
2013-12-16 09:15:11 AM  

LasersHurt: Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]

Those aren't dissidents, those are the poor.


It's proactive. They'd be dissidents if they knew what was going on.
 
2013-12-16 09:15:51 AM  
Keep firing, dumbasses
 
2013-12-16 09:17:22 AM  

Arkanaut: Diogenes: [cdn.crooksandliars.com image 460x380]

[www.outsidethebeltway.com image 570x328]

To be fair, Gaddafy  is a very interesting man.  Most crazy people are interesting.


Was.  WAS a very interesting man ;-)
 
2013-12-16 09:20:09 AM  

Arkanaut: Diogenes: [cdn.crooksandliars.com image 460x380]

[www.outsidethebeltway.com image 570x328]

To be fair, Gaddafy  is a very interesting man.  Most crazy people are interesting.


Plus he had those hot body guard babes.

static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-12-16 09:20:36 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: that was a great propaganda value for the Cuban government, which is oppressive, repressive and continues to jail dissidents, and continues to be ... easily the most oppressive government in our hemisphere

Except for the USA, of course.  We jail a metric crapload more of our people than the Cubans do, mostly because they're brown.


Cuba does have a terrible human rights record. Even if you count everyone in Gitmo as a "political prisoner" we don't hold a candle to them on the number of arrests for political dissent:

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/cuba

That said, using that as our metric on whose world leaders we should have open relations with calls into question those countries we are consistently trying to expand relations with who have arguably worse records:

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/china
 
2013-12-16 09:28:25 AM  
[The Modern GOP (post Nixon) was ] "and continues to be ... easily the most oppressive   governmenthemisphere  in our hemisphere government ,' McCain said"
 
2013-12-16 09:29:53 AM  
emptylighthouse.com

\You're not just surrounded John - you're one of 'em
\\ONE OF US ONE OF US
 
2013-12-16 09:30:16 AM  

Grungehamster: That said, using that as our metric on whose world leaders we should have open relations with calls into question those countries we are consistently trying to expand relations with who have arguably worse records:

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/china


There is money to made in China so we look the other way. Libya brings a little regional influence to the table, we can get that from others in the region.
 
2013-12-16 09:30:32 AM  

Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]


static.guim.co.uk

// well, he's not jailed
// but wait! She is:
l.yimg.com
 
2013-12-16 09:31:54 AM  
"How many assholes we GOT on this ship anyhow?"

"YO!!!!!!"

"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"
 
2013-12-16 09:33:01 AM  

Diogenes: Arkanaut: Diogenes: [cdn.crooksandliars.com image 460x380]

[www.outsidethebeltway.com image 570x328]

To be fair, Gaddafy  is a very interesting man.  Most crazy people are interesting.

Was.  WAS a very interesting man ;-)


Oh, but he lives on in our hearts.  And in that great documentary by Sacha Baron Cohen.
 
2013-12-16 09:35:57 AM  

A Cave Geek: "How many assholes we GOT on this ship anyhow?"

"YO!!!!!!"

"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"


What's the movie, assuming it was a movie?
 
2013-12-16 09:36:59 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

// well, he's not jailed
// but wait! She is:
[l.yimg.com image 630x400]


Extradition is a biatch isn't it?  Lets see what happens if he travels to an country that will arrest him for the US.
 
2013-12-16 09:37:52 AM  

Arkanaut: Oh, but he lives on in our hearts.  And in that great documentary by Sacha Baron Cohen.


Actually, that was based on Turkmenistan's "president." Real douchebag.
 
2013-12-16 09:40:17 AM  

SoupJohnB: A Cave Geek: "How many assholes we GOT on this ship anyhow?"

"YO!!!!!!"

"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"

What's the movie, assuming it was a movie?


Son I am disapoint.

/May the schwartz be with you
 
2013-12-16 09:42:58 AM  

Saiga410: SoupJohnB: A Cave Geek: "How many assholes we GOT on this ship anyhow?"

"YO!!!!!!"

"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"

What's the movie, assuming it was a movie?

Son I am disapoint.

/May the schwartz be with you


Obligatory:
bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-12-16 09:44:01 AM  

EyeballKid: Arkanaut: Oh, but he lives on in our hearts.  And in that great documentary by Sacha Baron Cohen.

Actually, that was based on Turkmenistan's "president." Real douchebag.


The old one or the new one? They're both pretty crazy, IIRC.
 
2013-12-16 09:44:04 AM  

Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]


Sooooooo..... Got anything more recent than, say, 2006?

And no, I'm not doubting that incarceration rates have continued to increase.  What's Obama supposed to do about 30 years of legislation that created this problem?  The man so much as asks for spicy mustard on his burger and half of the government freaks the f*ck out.  Anything he wants to do, they're against it, even if they proposed it and he simply agreed it's a good idea.  How's he supposed to undo all that legislation in that environment?
 
2013-12-16 09:44:55 AM  

SoupJohnB: A Cave Geek: "How many assholes we GOT on this ship anyhow?"

"YO!!!!!!"

"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"

What's the movie, assuming it was a movie?


Spaceballs.  YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT!??!?

Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]


IIRC, we're over 3 million now... :/

/usa! usa! usa!
 
2013-12-16 09:45:52 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]

Sooooooo..... Got anything more recent than, say, 2006?

And no, I'm not doubting that incarceration rates have continued to increase.  What's Obama supposed to do about 30 years of legislation that created this problem?  The man so much as asks for spicy mustard on his burger and half of the government freaks the f*ck out.  Anything he wants to do, they're against it, even if they proposed it and he simply agreed it's a good idea.  How's he supposed to undo all that legislation in that environment?


It probably doesn't help that so much of our prison system is for-profit now...
 
2013-12-16 09:46:10 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

// well, he's not jailed
// but wait! She is:
[l.yimg.com image 630x400]


Dissidents /= people who broke specific laws and then willingly faced the consequences. Of course referring to Manning, not Snowy "do everything I can to get access, violate it, then run away" boy.
 
2013-12-16 09:49:39 AM  
No Republican would ever stoop so low as to shake hands with an enemy of the USA....

believeinreason.com

Oh.
 
2013-12-16 09:50:16 AM  
FTFA:  "I don't think he should shake hands with someone who continues to violate his own country's human rights."

So...he shouldn't shake hands with himself?  Or he shouldn't negotiate with republicans, since it was their obstruction that kept guantanamo open the past 5 years, even though both parties ran on closing it?  I'm confused...
 
2013-12-16 09:55:27 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: What's Obama supposed to do


My post really wasn't about Obama but he could use the bully pulpit to push for more sane drug laws if nothing else. Some teen locked up for selling weed could have been Obama's son too.
 
2013-12-16 10:01:29 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: And by "surrounded by dumbasses", those would be the imaginary people in his head.  Senility is fun!


Sitting Republican Congresspeople are "imaginary"?  Projection ain't your strong suit.
 
2013-12-16 10:02:44 AM  
Ah, he's using the Limbaugh Defense.  "C'mon, folks, I was merely engaging in satire."

/Doosh
 
2013-12-16 10:15:35 AM  

LasersHurt: Dissidents /= people who broke specific laws and then willingly faced the consequences. Of course referring to Manning, not Snowy "do everything I can to get access, violate it, then run away" boy.


By that definition, MLK was not a dissident. I disagree on both counts.

A dissident is someone who may or may not break certain laws in an effort to show that the laws are unjust, or to show how unjust those laws are. Their beef is primarily political, as Manning's and Snowden's were.

// though Manning put more on the line, and Snowden has yet to answer for anything (even stand for anything)
 
2013-12-16 10:16:19 AM  
All Republicans should just stop talking for the next 20 years.  Let the dust of your hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance settle, hope that the internet full of videos of your two-faced stupidity goes away, reboot, and try again.
 
2013-12-16 10:17:44 AM  

Dr Dreidel: LasersHurt: Dissidents /= people who broke specific laws and then willingly faced the consequences. Of course referring to Manning, not Snowy "do everything I can to get access, violate it, then run away" boy.

By that definition, MLK was not a dissident. I disagree on both counts.

A dissident is someone who may or may not break certain laws in an effort to show that the laws are unjust, or to show how unjust those laws are. Their beef is primarily political, as Manning's and Snowden's were.

// though Manning put more on the line, and Snowden has yet to answer for anything (even stand for anything)


I guess that is a bit of a fuzzy definition. My point was more that claiming we "jail dissidents" is stupid, particularly if the only evidence is one high-profile case of someone who broke a law. There are many, many "dissidents" in the US, and there is no pattern of jailing them for political beliefs.
 
2013-12-16 10:18:25 AM  

Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]


You know, I've come to the conclusion that this country went to shiat right around 1980. there are some many graphs similar to this that show some metric going craptastic starting in 1980.
 
2013-12-16 10:20:20 AM  

Saiga410: SoupJohnB: A Cave Geek: "How many assholes we GOT on this ship anyhow?"

"YO!!!!!!"

"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"

What's the movie, assuming it was a movie?

Son I am disapoint.

/May the schwartz be with you


Got it now - thanks.

/loves me some Mel Brooks flicks
 
2013-12-16 10:21:41 AM  

Biff_Steel: Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]

You know, I've come to the conclusion that this country went to shiat right around 1980. there are some many graphs similar to this that show some metric going craptastic starting in 1980.


John McCain was elected to the house in 1982...coincidence??!!!??
 
2013-12-16 10:25:10 AM  

Biff_Steel: Headso: and continues to jail dissidents

[glad.is image 350x234]

You know, I've come to the conclusion that this country went to shiat right around 1980. there are some many graphs similar to this that show some metric going craptastic starting in 1980.


In related news The Wolf of Wall Street opens soon.

//Scorcese knows graphs too
 
2013-12-16 10:34:27 AM  
Sounds like he wandered into the hall of mirrors.
 
2013-12-16 10:38:02 AM  
You know who else exhibited erratic behavior in his final days?
 
2013-12-16 10:40:34 AM  

LasersHurt: My point was more that claiming we "jail dissidents" is stupid, particularly if the only evidence is one high-profile case of someone who broke a law. There are many, many "dissidents" in the US, and there is no pattern of jailing them for political beliefs.


1. The "pattern" only needs to be "one person jailed for political beliefs" for it to be really, really bad news. That it's more than Manning and Snowden rotting away in jails and brigs (whatever culpability you think they have) is pretty much a given - to say nothing of Americans or our sympathizers jailed in other countries. (People locked up for an ounce of weed don't qualify, as much as I'd like for them to be free.)

2. There really is no denying that the US jails far more people than pretty much any other on Earth. That there is a resurgence of the desire to hold journalists criminally accountable for others' leaks - pretty much ensuring that "dissidents" will be jailed - doesn't speak well to the US' desire to not be seen as jailing dissidents.
 
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