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(Al Jazeera)   Americans generate 30kg of high-tech trash every year, 33 if you include rashly-purchased Microsoft tablets   (aljazeera.com) divider line 51
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2013-12-16 09:08:20 AM
Does that thing really weigh 6 pounds? No wonder it wouldn't sell.
 
2013-12-16 09:14:02 AM
Lol. My ASUS Vivotab Smart is one of the most useful pieces of technology I own. I can't tell how many times I've needed to get on some Army training website, or update personnel records, edit equipment serial number trackers in Excel, or just watch a movie when sitting in some airport for hours. Can't do any of that with a non-full Windows tablet.
 
2013-12-16 09:14:16 AM
As someone who uses a four year old laptop that will hopefully last another four years... I'm gonna go wallow in my sense of superiority now.

(I've actually heard the MS tablets don't suck, but I've never tried one so who knows?  All tech seems to partially suck lately)
 
2013-12-16 09:36:20 AM
My wife really likes the Surface tab I got her. We knew what RT was offering. It'll be fine for a few years.
 
2013-12-16 09:38:19 AM

No Such Agency: As someone who uses a four year old laptop that will hopefully last another four years... I'm gonna go wallow in my sense of superiority now.

(I've actually heard the MS tablets don't suck, but I've never tried one so who knows?  All tech seems to partially suck lately)


I own a Surface Pro 2 and love it.  However I think of it more as a actual computer/laptop which I use for drawing and less as a tablet.

The Surface RT's that we've tested at work, those suck.
 
2013-12-16 09:45:35 AM

taurusowner: Lol. My ASUS Vivotab Smart is one of the most useful pieces of technology I own. I can't tell how many times I've needed to get on some Army training website, or update personnel records, edit equipment serial number trackers in Excel, or just watch a movie when sitting in some airport for hours. Can't do any of that with a non-full Windows tablet.


You're trolling, right ?
 
2013-12-16 09:49:15 AM
I'm assuming this includes businesses' technological waste as well. My store is amassing a big pile of xerox toner cartridges just because the into on our intranet is crap and gets us nowhere. I might just bring them to Staples/Office Depot soon.That alone is probably 20lbs of junk.
 
2013-12-16 09:50:21 AM
My Surface Pro is one of the best computers I've ever owned
 
2013-12-16 09:51:12 AM

BorgDrone: taurusowner: Lol. My ASUS Vivotab Smart is one of the most useful pieces of technology I own. I can't tell how many times I've needed to get on some Army training website, or update personnel records, edit equipment serial number trackers in Excel, or just watch a movie when sitting in some airport for hours. Can't do any of that with a non-full Windows tablet.

You're trolling, right ?


He must be, i'm sat here editing office documents on my iPad, hooking up to our CRM system..and even updating my Holiday calendar. I also don't have to suffer the suckfest that is Win 8/RT. Which is a win all round I feel.
 
2013-12-16 09:59:55 AM

Mr_H: No Such Agency: As someone who uses a four year old laptop that will hopefully last another four years... I'm gonna go wallow in my sense of superiority now.

(I've actually heard the MS tablets don't suck, but I've never tried one so who knows?  All tech seems to partially suck lately)

I own a Surface Pro 2 and love it.  However I think of it more as a actual computer/laptop which I use for drawing and less as a tablet.

The Surface RT's that we've tested at work, those suck.


Same. I have a Surface Pro that I love, but it's not a tablet, it's a laptop that I occasionally use as an e-reader.
 
2013-12-16 10:29:27 AM

No Such Agency: As someone who uses a four year old laptop that will hopefully last another four years... I'm gonna go wallow in my sense of superiority now.

(I've actually heard the MS tablets don't suck, but I've never tried one so who knows?  All tech seems to partially suck lately)


I'm going to hold off on getting a new laptop hopefully until Windows starts making laptop/desktop appropriate operating systems again.  Either that or (shudder) get a mac of some sort.
 
2013-12-16 10:39:26 AM

Mercutio74: No Such Agency: As someone who uses a four year old laptop that will hopefully last another four years... I'm gonna go wallow in my sense of superiority now.

(I've actually heard the MS tablets don't suck, but I've never tried one so who knows?  All tech seems to partially suck lately)

I'm going to hold off on getting a new laptop hopefully until Windows starts making laptop/desktop appropriate operating systems again.  Either that or (shudder) get a mac of some sort.


as a mac owner running all windows apps on the Mac OS, I laugh at your shuddering. Bigot.
 
2013-12-16 10:43:52 AM

Kit Fister: as a mac owner running all windows apps on the Mac OS, I laugh at your shuddering. Bigot.


Actually I use macs all the time at work.  I just don't like a) the price point for hardware vs. PC and b) the general annoyance of having to do extra work to be compatible with the rest of the world and c) the Apple design philosophy of them wanting to dictate to you how to use your data.

That being said, they handle video really well.
 
2013-12-16 10:46:36 AM

moel: BorgDrone: taurusowner: Lol. My ASUS Vivotab Smart is one of the most useful pieces of technology I own. I can't tell how many times I've needed to get on some Army training website, or update personnel records, edit equipment serial number trackers in Excel, or just watch a movie when sitting in some airport for hours. Can't do any of that with a non-full Windows tablet.

You're trolling, right ?

He must be, i'm sat here editing office documents on my iPad, hooking up to our CRM system..and even updating my Holiday calendar. I also don't have to suffer the suckfest that is Win 8/RT. Which is a win all round I feel.


But on the flip side, you are stuck with a tablet-only OS that can't run any legacy programs. No VLC, no full iTunes, no full 100% Office 2010, no full Chrome, etc.
 
2013-12-16 10:46:54 AM
30kg of waste produced by an entire country in one year is almost insignificant.
 
2013-12-16 10:56:10 AM
This has very little to do with individuals, its just one of those pull out of your ass statistics which sounds good in a news byte, is unverifiable, and would have more to do with industry uses than anything else.
 
2013-12-16 10:56:25 AM

taurusowner: moel: BorgDrone: taurusowner: Lol. My ASUS Vivotab Smart is one of the most useful pieces of technology I own. I can't tell how many times I've needed to get on some Army training website, or update personnel records, edit equipment serial number trackers in Excel, or just watch a movie when sitting in some airport for hours. Can't do any of that with a non-full Windows tablet.

You're trolling, right ?

He must be, i'm sat here editing office documents on my iPad, hooking up to our CRM system..and even updating my Holiday calendar. I also don't have to suffer the suckfest that is Win 8/RT. Which is a win all round I feel.

But on the flip side, you are stuck with a tablet-only OS that can't run any legacy programs. No VLC, no full iTunes, no full 100% Office 2010, no full Chrome, etc.


Now you are trolling....

VLC. Yup got that here....
iTunes? Dude it's an iPad...it has my music on, and lets me buy more music. What else do i need?
Chrome? There's no chrome for my iPad? Why am i using the Office Web Apps with it right now then?

I can understand why you are all sore-arsed, because you have to use a fisher price interface that's been attached to Win7 with UHU glue, but don't spout rubbish without research.
 
2013-12-16 11:00:52 AM
I know it's fun to rip on Microsoft, but I've found that their tablets have a major difference from the competition:

Apple: they hardly update the firmware, and when they update the software (iOS 7) their devices run quite a bit slower. That's been the case with my iPad 2.

Microsoft: they update the software and firmware on their Surface RT tablet monthly, like clockwork. And each time they do, it gets faster. The performance of the tablet has dramatically sped up over the past year.
 
2013-12-16 11:07:33 AM

moel: taurusowner: moel: BorgDrone: taurusowner: Lol. My ASUS Vivotab Smart is one of the most useful pieces of technology I own. I can't tell how many times I've needed to get on some Army training website, or update personnel records, edit equipment serial number trackers in Excel, or just watch a movie when sitting in some airport for hours. Can't do any of that with a non-full Windows tablet.

You're trolling, right ?

He must be, i'm sat here editing office documents on my iPad, hooking up to our CRM system..and even updating my Holiday calendar. I also don't have to suffer the suckfest that is Win 8/RT. Which is a win all round I feel.

But on the flip side, you are stuck with a tablet-only OS that can't run any legacy programs. No VLC, no full iTunes, no full 100% Office 2010, no full Chrome, etc.

Now you are trolling....

VLC. Yup got that here....
iTunes? Dude it's an iPad...it has my music on, and lets me buy more music. What else do i need?
Chrome? There's no chrome for my iPad? Why am i using the Office Web Apps with it right now then?

I can understand why you are all sore-arsed, because you have to use a fisher price interface that's been attached to Win7 with UHU glue, but don't spout rubbish without research.


Have you ever heard of the word "full" and if so, do you understand what it means when applied to versions of software?
 
2013-12-16 11:15:59 AM
Yes I have, have you ever heard of the phrase "ok i was wrong you can do ALL THAT STUFF ON AN iPad TOO?"

That's all we're looking for here. But yes I'm aware of your phrase "full", because "full" versions of apps work really well on a 10 inch screen, when every single button is shrunk down to the size of a midgets toenail.
 
2013-12-16 11:37:44 AM
Hah, I purchased a 32gb Surface 1 ARM tablet on their Black Friday sale for $200.  I didn't realize that the version of Office it came with included full Outlook 2013.  That was a huge plus.  I haven't run into the storage limitation yet but I have a 64gb SD micro-card so that takes me from 16gb of usable space to 80gb.
 
2013-12-16 11:40:06 AM
They haven't even mentioned all the unsold and unwanted 1st generation Surface tablets that are being buried in the desert. http://www.uncoveror.com/surface.htm
 
2013-12-16 11:41:39 AM

Crudbucket: Mr_H: No Such Agency: As someone who uses a four year old laptop that will hopefully last another four years... I'm gonna go wallow in my sense of superiority now.

(I've actually heard the MS tablets don't suck, but I've never tried one so who knows?  All tech seems to partially suck lately)

I own a Surface Pro 2 and love it.  However I think of it more as a actual computer/laptop which I use for drawing and less as a tablet.

The Surface RT's that we've tested at work, those suck.

Same. I have a Surface Pro that I love, but it's not a tablet, it's a laptop that I occasionally use as an e-reader.


Have an Acer W700 and also love it.  Would have gotten a Surface Pro, but I needed something quickly.  Microsoft's screwing up of the supply on Surface Pro launch day pushed me to look elsewhere.
 
2013-12-16 11:46:39 AM
The whole country? That's pretty good, guys! Congratulations! Oh... each?
 
2013-12-16 11:52:58 AM

shanrick: 30kg of waste produced by an entire country in one year is almost insignificant.


And it's mostly Pam's fault.
 
2013-12-16 11:54:56 AM
I have a Surface Pro and I really like it.  For my business it has one huge benefit over anything else I've seen:  Full domain membership and management.  There are still some UI quirks that I don't like in 8 but that's more about me adapting to a new environment.
 
2013-12-16 12:04:32 PM
Let us remember this isn't all personal electronics going out the window. It includes all the servers and infrastructure related to it too. Or like one TV. The amount of old CRT televisions being replaced is massive. The waste processing plants are full of them for recycling.
 
2013-12-16 12:13:12 PM
I wasn't really interested in a tablet since they all came across as just big clones of smart phones/PDAs.  But with the Surface you can multi task and has ports for USB & SIM cards has actually made me want one.
 
2013-12-16 12:15:18 PM

Fano: shanrick: 30kg of waste produced by an entire country in one year is almost insignificant.

And it's mostly Pam's fault.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-16 12:22:29 PM

moel: BorgDrone: taurusowner: Lol. My ASUS Vivotab Smart is one of the most useful pieces of technology I own. I can't tell how many times I've needed to get on some Army training website, or update personnel records, edit equipment serial number trackers in Excel, or just watch a movie when sitting in some airport for hours. Can't do any of that with a non-full Windows tablet.

You're trolling, right ?

He must be, i'm sat here editing office documents on my iPad, hooking up to our CRM system..and even updating my Holiday calendar. I also don't have to suffer the suckfest that is Win 8/RT. Which is a win all round I feel.



Right there.  Lots and lots of DoD things are Windows only.  Loaded with ActiveX, IE-specific functionality, etc.
 
2013-12-16 12:31:44 PM
I love my Surface Pro 2.  Friend of mine also has an original Surface and she loves it.  It's all about what you like and what you need it for. Sure it has some quirks but what electronic device doesn't?  Can't wait for the battery keyboard cover.  Going to make the good battery life even better.
 
2013-12-16 12:31:50 PM

taurusowner: moel: taurusowner: moel: BorgDrone: taurusowner: Lol. My ASUS Vivotab Smart is one of the most useful pieces of technology I own. I can't tell how many times I've needed to get on some Army training website, or update personnel records, edit equipment serial number trackers in Excel, or just watch a movie when sitting in some airport for hours. Can't do any of that with a non-full Windows tablet.

You're trolling, right ?

He must be, i'm sat here editing office documents on my iPad, hooking up to our CRM system..and even updating my Holiday calendar. I also don't have to suffer the suckfest that is Win 8/RT. Which is a win all round I feel.

But on the flip side, you are stuck with a tablet-only OS that can't run any legacy programs. No VLC, no full iTunes, no full 100% Office 2010, no full Chrome, etc.

Now you are trolling....

VLC. Yup got that here....
iTunes? Dude it's an iPad...it has my music on, and lets me buy more music. What else do i need?
Chrome? There's no chrome for my iPad? Why am i using the Office Web Apps with it right now then?

I can understand why you are all sore-arsed, because you have to use a fisher price interface that's been attached to Win7 with UHU glue, but don't spout rubbish without research.

Have you ever heard of the word "full" and if so, do you understand what it means when applied to versions of software?


I've got a tape measure, whip em out and we'll put an end to this argument right now
 
2013-12-16 12:44:38 PM

Mercutio74: I'm going to hold off on getting a new laptop hopefully until Windows starts making laptop/desktop appropriate operating systems again.  Either that or (shudder) get a mac of some sort.

Get the laptop, pay $5 for Start8 (I think there's some alternatives). Then install a load of utilities like PDF readers, image viewers etc. It'll boot to desktop and you'll never see the Metro crap again.
Trust me, it's like a better version of Windows 7 once you stick that on.
 
2013-12-16 12:51:23 PM
Is this the same thing I heard on NPR over the weekend? If it is, "Electronics" they're talking about is anything that has a plug or battery. I'm not sure (and bet it doesn't count) a car would be included but washing machines, fridges, flashlights and battery operated toys would count.
 
2013-12-16 12:57:05 PM
www.cedmagic.com
 
2013-12-16 01:20:16 PM
ITT:  People who don't know or want to understand there is a difference between Windows 8 RT and Windows 8.

The Surface sucked balls, as did any other RT powered device.
 
2013-12-16 01:32:24 PM
30 kg a year? That sounds like a serious ass number. I see they include all the CRT's we're throwing out, which you only have to do once. Then the next year you don't have that 40kg anchor to throw out. New tech doesn't mass near as much as the old stuff, so it's the sort of numbers spouted by people with a bureaucratic agenda. Like the salt police.
 
2013-12-16 01:39:10 PM

taurusowner: But on the flip side, you are stuck with a tablet-only OS that can't run any legacy programs. No VLC, no full iTunes, no full 100% Office 2010, no full Chrome, etc.


You state that like its a bad thing?  98% of all users don't need the bloatware that is Office.  And people still use VLC?

/you should of ended your message with "get off my lawn"
 
2013-12-16 02:15:03 PM
When you can play Civ 5 on your iOS or Android tablet, give me a call. Until then, I'll enjoy having Civ 5 on my Venue 8 Pro (along with Ticket to Ride, desktop Chrome, full torrent clients, photoshop, etc. etc.)
 
2013-12-16 02:19:14 PM

gochuck: When you can play Civ 5 on your iOS or Android tablet, give me a call. Until then, I'll enjoy having Civ 5 on my Venue 8 Pro (along with Ticket to Ride, desktop Chrome, full torrent clients, photoshop, etc. etc.)


This. I don't want to have to look for similar versions of my desktop programs. I just want to use the same programs, doubleplusgood if they sync like dropbox and chrome.
 
2013-12-16 02:26:39 PM
Own a Surface RT. While I do miss a few things, I still find it a great tablet. It's been a great supplement to my laptop. No way it could replace it (even if I went w/ the Pro tablet), with some of the games I play. And it's been a great learning tool for how to use Windows 8 and be able to teach others.

Also, best alarm clock...ever.
 
2013-12-16 02:31:33 PM
That's like 100 micrograms per capita!
 
2013-12-16 02:57:24 PM
I own a Surface RT tablet that's probably my most used device when I'm not at work. Love the price, love the battery life, knew exactly what the trade-offs were when I bought it.

I picked it up for $250 and it's completely replaced my laptop for internet surfing/Facebook/e-mail/etc while I watch TV. iPads are nice devices, but they're not worth the premium to me, plus on my Windows device I can put movies/TV on the SD card and take it with me to watch on an airplane/etc, it beats carrying a laptop any day of the week.

It's hasn't completely replaced my other computers--I'd never use a tablet to create content or do real work with (that includes iPads)--but as a media consumption platform it's basically perfect. I haven't logged in to my laptop in months.
 
2013-12-16 04:03:05 PM
Wait! How many hecaliters are in a kilograin?
 
2013-12-16 05:05:49 PM

Vaneshi: ITT:  People who don't know or want to understand there is a difference between Windows 8 RT and Windows 8.

The Surface sucked balls, as did any other RT powered device.


Care to explain why is sucks? I never had a problem with my first gen RT or Surface 2. I much prefer using it to my iPad for watching movies and surfing the net/fark.

A lightweight tablet with 10+ hour video playback battery life + back lit keyboard = better than the other tablets.
 
2013-12-16 05:50:53 PM
moel: blahblahblah_I_am_an_apple_fanboi, don't bother me with reality, only the poors buy windoze, blah blah hipster mutterings blah blah
 
2013-12-16 06:17:29 PM

gingerjet: taurusowner: But on the flip side, you are stuck with a tablet-only OS that can't run any legacy programs. No VLC, no full iTunes, no full 100% Office 2010, no full Chrome, etc.

You state that like its a bad thing?  98% of all users don't need the bloatware that is Office.  And people still use VLC?

/you should of ended your message with "get off my lawn"


some of us do more with our computers than play games on the sh*tter and browse porn.

also, name me a better player than VLC. seriously, go ahead.
 
2013-12-16 06:55:54 PM

dkimball: [www.cedmagic.com image 225x275]


Whoah. Memory lane. They had one of these at the local computer store, hooked up to an Atari 800 or 400. Space Invaders on a big TV!
 
2013-12-16 10:32:51 PM
Anyone have an Asus T100?  They look really cute and come with Office.

blogs.windows.com
 
2013-12-16 10:43:25 PM

HempHead: Anyone have an Asus T100?  They look really cute and come with Office.


We had a Transformer at my last job. It was underpowered and the screen was just as topheavy as it looked. Seemed more like a cool concept than a viable product.
 
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