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2013-12-16 04:01:50 PM  

Treygreen13: mikaloyd: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.
There is one about the Giants/Seahawks game. And 2 about the Flyers collapse to the Capitals.

The Giants/Seahawks thing died immediately because it was about the store and contest, not about Eli's once-in-a-lifetime-terrible season and Seahawks defense absolutely shredding them.


So who wants to get a conversation going about that? I was there. It was awesome.
 
2013-12-16 04:02:57 PM  

rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: Well the headline itself isn't offensive to me.

yeah, she's rolling with it.  she's a big girl.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN.  OVARIES THE SIZE OF YOUR FRIGGIN' HEAD.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN


Oh, why thank you for noticing Senor Penguino. But like I said, while this is fairly innocuous, it could set a bad precedent. And there IS a difference between friendly nudges and malicious trolling. The former is cool, the latter is a waste of time & energy. NO ME GUSTA but anyway:

i27.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-16 04:03:04 PM  

Super Chronic: Treygreen13: mikaloyd: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.
There is one about the Giants/Seahawks game. And 2 about the Flyers collapse to the Capitals.

The Giants/Seahawks thing died immediately because it was about the store and contest, not about Eli's once-in-a-lifetime-terrible season and Seahawks defense absolutely shredding them.

So who wants to get a conversation going about that? I was there. It was awesome.


We've got it going in that thread.
 
2013-12-16 04:04:06 PM  

mikaloyd: rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: Well the headline itself isn't offensive to me.

yeah, she's rolling with it.  she's a big girl.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN.  OVARIES THE SIZE OF YOUR FRIGGIN' HEAD.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN

My pants are getting tight


i27.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-16 04:04:33 PM  

mikaloyd: rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: Well the headline itself isn't offensive to me.

yeah, she's rolling with it.  she's a big girl.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN.  OVARIES THE SIZE OF YOUR FRIGGIN' HEAD.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN

My pants are getting tight


Hell, i'm done.
 
2013-12-16 04:12:02 PM  

Treygreen13: But that's not the worst thing. The worst thing is that this is no longer a tab where a community talks about the greenlit content. It's one where the content is greenlit to antagonize specific members of the community. Where content is put up regardless of quality (looking at you, PFM) just to make us type more letters and drive the hits up. When is the last time you can honestly say you came here and actually learned something through the greenlights instead of just serving as an opportunity to biatch at each other? I know it's been a while for me. I follow the NFL, watch NFL Network, ESPN, and read Fark every day of the week and for all our biatching and moaning about ESPN being unwilling to just let a topic go we're worse by far. We talked about Tebow just as much as they did. We biatched about the Patriots just as much as they did. We must have had 20 Redskins name greenlights this year in spite of the fact that they're NOT changing the name, we're going to have 30 Redskins RG3 Greenlights by the end of the season, and in every thread we're going to say exactly the same thing (OMG DAN SNYDER) and then pretend like we know anything other than exactly what we're fed every single farking day. It's the same for every Cowboys thread (OMG TONY ROMO) and it'll be the same for every 49ers/Seahawks thread and it'll be the exact same for every other thread in this tab because we're fed us the same crap over. and over. and over.

I guess the reason I'm so upset about this is because I genuinely like a lot of you. Robsuland mikaloydare two of my favorite farkers. eddievercetti is a great guy (for an Eagles fan) and I love seeing people like Bunny de Ville representing their team even if they're bad. Not to mention my Cowboys fan friends on this site, who I've met in person and even sent little gifts back and forth with. Even IAmRight (who I bitterly disagreed with for quite a while) always gave me a lot to think about and I felt like he had reasons for feeling the wa ...


You have made statements of great wisdom. Fark is a community and we thrive best by treating each other with respect. That means a healthy dose of ribbing when it is deserved, but it doesn't mean a rousing chorus of taunts.
 
2013-12-16 04:14:06 PM  
Here's the part that grinds my gears.

In the offseason, the owner and coach publicly gave him a 100M contract and an expectation to try and be Peyton 2.0.

He went up to the line, saw 9 or 10 men in the box against the power run, and did PRECISELY what Manning the elder would want to do, and that's read the D and change the play to something else.

Of course, Manning the Elder would have known to eat the run anyhow, because eating clock was even more important than moving chains. BUT< you take what you can get. You wanted Romo to read the D and change the play like Manning? There you go.

It isn't that he read the D and changed the play from a run per se. If he'd have changed it to a DIFFERENT run, or a different pass that wasn't an INT, we wouldn't be talking about this.

But he tried to be Peyton 2.0 and failed pretty much as hardcore as he could possibly fail.

How's that 108M sound now, Jurrah?

Romo isn't the problem. The GM and Coaching staff are.
 
2013-12-16 04:15:08 PM  

Di Atribe: This is supposed to be a fun & smart place to discuss sports with others who understand sports.


Well, that lets me out.
 
2013-12-16 04:16:32 PM  

Treygreen13: Jim from Saint Paul: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread

Welcome to Fark. Home of no NBA threads unless it's one to hate on the Lakers (and they are so pedestrian this year even THOSE threads are dried up).

Have you see our Beiber is lesbian Entertainment tab?

I've seen all the tabs. I don't even acknowledge the Politics tab (been there, got trolled by that) and I once got a greenlight on my submission mocking the Entertainment Tab for greenlighting anything about Britney Spears back during her meltdown and got Fark a hundred more clicks on the topic. Both those tabs could disappear and I'd shed no tears.


I, for one, miss the Music tab
 
2013-12-16 04:17:56 PM  

RminusQ: You have made statements of great wisdom. Fark is a community and we thrive best by treating each other with respect. That means a healthy dose of ribbing when it is deserved, but it doesn't mean a rousing chorus of taunts.


YOUR BUTT SMELLS LIKE POOP!!!!
 
2013-12-16 04:18:50 PM  
May Jerry Jones live a long and healthy life.

/Go Ravens
 
2013-12-16 04:28:28 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Di Atribe: This is supposed to be a fun & smart place to discuss sports with others who understand sports.

Well, that lets me out.


Hardly. ;)
 
2013-12-16 04:29:10 PM  

stir22: snowshovel: As much as I love to see a Dallas beatdown (mostly from the way the media gives them the royalty treatment with premiere games no matter how bad they are), I just don't get the play-calling. All Romo aside...

You're up 26-3. You know you have a crummy defense, bad to almost historic levels. Your running back is posting an obscenely high ypr against your opponent. How does any coach put that data together and say, "Hey, you know what? I want my defense on the field as much as possible! My running back really could use some rest. Now's the perfect chance to start slinging the ball all over the field!"

this.  no dog on the hunt other than my respect for DiAtribe, but that second half play-calling might be the worst i've ever seen.

/and i'm a Raiders fan.


Dallas had 349 offensive yards going into the half, Vince McMahon Jerry Jones came over the headphones and announced that he was changing the script for the show and that Dallas was going to break it's single game offensive yards gained record by running only passing plays for the remainder of the game.
 
2013-12-16 04:30:22 PM  
Usually just stick to the sunday game thread. Rest of the week you can find better news and discussions on other sites. /r/NFL is a great community with news posted as it happens, not 3 days later with a lame title.

Contradicting my first sentence by making this post.  Oops.

www.quickmeme.com
 
2013-12-16 04:30:37 PM  

AlHarris31: May Jerry Jones live a long and healthy life.

/Go Ravens


May Jerry Jones' corpse fester in the gutter with visiting Steelers fans.

/Go Ravens
//Go Cowboys
 
2013-12-16 04:33:10 PM  
The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.
 
2013-12-16 04:33:24 PM  

4NSpy: Usually just stick to the sunday game thread. Rest of the week you can find better news and discussions on other sites. /r/NFL is a great community with news posted as it happens, not 3 days later with a lame title.

Contradicting my first sentence by making this post.  Oops.

[www.quickmeme.com image 400x300]


I just don't understand the reasoning for dragging the tab into a cesspool of click bait. I submitted 11 stories about different teams today and they all went red. And it's not because I think my headlines were good, but that I think we have a lot to talk about besides the 3 topics Fark keeps hammering over and over.
 
2013-12-16 04:35:47 PM  

SlothB77: The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.


As I've stated upthread, I don't mind if you rag on the Cowboys after a loss. It could be any team getting ragged on in a creative way or with an interesting story and I'd be ok with it.

Instead we get threads for the exact purpose of starting flamewars, and we get multiples of them instead of other content we could be discussing.
 
2013-12-16 04:51:36 PM  
When scoring 35+ points, 31 teams that aren't Dallas are 51-2 this year, I heard.

Dallas, when scoring 35+....is 1-2.
 
2013-12-16 04:53:47 PM  

xaks: When scoring 35+ points, 31 teams that aren't Dallas are 51-2 this year, I heard.

Dallas, when scoring 35+....is 1-2.


Would love to see the numbers on how many times the Cowboys have been the highest scoring losing team in the past 3 years.
 
2013-12-16 05:03:16 PM  

mikaloyd: Bunny Deville: And to my Fark Football Friends... that ignore button exists for a reason.

Word.


Indeed. Trouble is, there are so many awesome fark NFL posters, it feels like I'm diminishing the thread by ignoring any of them. There's a couple I've been tempted by, but even they tend to have good takes.

Plus Di's GRAF, robsul's Jake, Trey's trivia are Tuesday highlights, even of they are fans of teams I dislike/hate.
 
2013-12-16 05:05:36 PM  

Treygreen13: xaks: When scoring 35+ points, 31 teams that aren't Dallas are 51-2 this year, I heard.

Dallas, when scoring 35+....is 1-2.

Would love to see the numbers on how many times the Cowboys have been the highest scoring losing team in the past 3 years.


That would be an interesting statistic.  Along the same lines, I would like to see similar stats on how often they lead going into both the 3rd and 4th quarter yet still lose, compared with the norm in the league.
 
2013-12-16 05:07:20 PM  

TrainingWheelsNeeded: The NFC East should give their playoff spot to the Cardinals.

/ cowboy fan


Entirely agreed.

/Redskins fan
//LMAO at Jackson blowing Josh Wilson up.
 
2013-12-16 05:07:44 PM  

RyansPrivates: Treygreen13: xaks: When scoring 35+ points, 31 teams that aren't Dallas are 51-2 this year, I heard.

Dallas, when scoring 35+....is 1-2.

Would love to see the numbers on how many times the Cowboys have been the highest scoring losing team in the past 3 years.

That would be an interesting statistic.  Along the same lines, I would like to see similar stats on how often they lead going into both the 3rd and 4th quarter yet still lose, compared with the norm in the league.


Actually, the Cowboys (in spite of the abysmal defense) still win about half their games. Their number probably wouldn't be the highest, and they'd probably have a few weeks where last year the Saints D was literally the worst defense to ever play so they allowed a ton of points but still scored a lot.
 
2013-12-16 05:08:39 PM  
I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.
 
2013-12-16 05:16:31 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.


The North is as good as Aaron Rodger's health.

The East would need fixing up to become a dumpster fire.

At least in the NFC.
 
2013-12-16 05:21:21 PM  

LucklessWonder: Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.

The North is as good as Aaron Rodger's health.

The East would need fixing up to become a dumpster fire.

At least in the NFC.


The AFC South is the real dumpster fire of the NFL.
 
2013-12-16 05:23:04 PM  

Treygreen13: LucklessWonder: Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.

The North is as good as Aaron Rodger's health.

The East would need fixing up to become a dumpster fire.

At least in the NFC.

The AFC South is the real dumpster fire of the NFL.


It's dueling dumpster fires.
 
2013-12-16 05:27:02 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Treygreen13: LucklessWonder: Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.

The North is as good as Aaron Rodger's health.

The East would need fixing up to become a dumpster fire.

At least in the NFC.

The AFC South is the real dumpster fire of the NFL.

It's dueling dumpster fires.


BOAW NAO NAO NAO NAO NAO NAO NAO NAAAAAAAA
 
2013-12-16 05:33:55 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-16 05:44:07 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.


Remember 4 or 5 weeks into the season, when it was all about how amazingly strong the division was?  Now the goddamn Lions are the only ones with a team left.

Unrelated - whatever happened with Freeman?  I know he was 'concussed' in his first outing - are they going to try to train him up for next year?
 
2013-12-16 05:45:29 PM  

xaks: Here's the part that grinds my gears.

In the offseason, the owner and coach publicly gave him a 100M contract and an expectation to try and be Peyton 2.0.

He went up to the line, saw 9 or 10 men in the box against the power run, and did PRECISELY what Manning the elder would want to do, and that's read the D and change the play to something else.

Of course, Manning the Elder would have known to eat the run anyhow, because eating clock was even more important than moving chains. BUT< you take what you can get. You wanted Romo to read the D and change the play like Manning? There you go.

It isn't that he read the D and changed the play from a run per se. If he'd have changed it to a DIFFERENT run, or a different pass that wasn't an INT, we wouldn't be talking about this.

But he tried to be Peyton 2.0 and failed pretty much as hardcore as he could possibly fail.

How's that 108M sound now, Jurrah?

Romo isn't the problem. The GM and Coaching staff are.


True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is. I doubt he's thinking "well they've stacked the box, but it's better to kill 40 seconds and hope the defense holds", more like "goddammit those worthless MFers won't stop shiat if we don't run out the clock, and we gotta move the chains to do that..."

Point being, that defense isn't ever gonna step up and make the big play, so if he doesn't do it they're as good as dead anyway.
 
2013-12-16 05:55:42 PM  

YoungLochinvar: Point being, that defense isn't ever gonna step up and make the big play, so if he doesn't do it they're as good as dead anyway.


I hit on that a little last year when he and Drew Brees were tied for picks. Every time Tony Romo goes up to the line with the game in flux, he's presented with two options:

1. Play it safe, lose because the defense allows 40, get blamed anyway.
2. Take a risk, maybe win (and get no credit) or lose (and get blamed)

We saw it in the Denver game early this year. The Cowboys defense is getting absolutely gashed all game and Tony knows if they don't convert Peyton Manning is going to get the ball and march down and kick a FG and win. So he goes to throw, gets stepped on in mid-pass, and throws an INT and they lose. And everyone screams "NOT CLUTCH" on the way to the locker room in spite of the fact that if he throws it away or calls a run they lose anyway.

The same in the Bears game this year, they're trying to convert a 4th down. A free rusher comes right through the line the second the ball is snapped and he throws the ball into the ground. And the jeers begin, "LOL YOU THREW IT AWAY ON 4TH DOWN YOU SCRUB" and they lose a game in which the other team never punted.
 
2013-12-16 05:59:37 PM  
The butthurt is strong this Monday.


It reminded me to enjoy what little is left of the season
 
2013-12-16 06:09:51 PM  

YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.


Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.
 
2013-12-16 06:11:36 PM  

robsul82: YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.

Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.


IIRC they had to average about 500 yards per game to get there. They allowed 433 this week, so they're a little behind.
 
2013-12-16 06:14:32 PM  

Treygreen13: robsul82: YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.

Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.

IIRC they had to average about 500 yards per game to get there. They allowed 433 this week, so they're a little behind.


Goddamn it.  I guess I've blocked out how bad the first bunch of games actually were, because I seem to remember the defense getting better - not anywhere near great, or good, or even mediocre - but not an outright dumpster fire toward the end of the season, whereas this year's Dallas defense just seems to get worse.
 
2013-12-16 06:19:30 PM  

robsul82: Treygreen13: robsul82: YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.

Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.

IIRC they had to average about 500 yards per game to get there. They allowed 433 this week, so they're a little behind.

Goddamn it.  I guess I've blocked out how bad the first bunch of games actually were, because I seem to remember the defense getting better - not anywhere near great, or good, or even mediocre - but not an outright dumpster fire toward the end of the season, whereas this year's Dallas defense just seems to get worse.


The Saints D last year gave up 28.3 ppg and 440 ypg. The Cowboys are at 27.5 ppg and 427.3 ypg.

Oddly enough, those teams didn't (and don't in the case of the current season) lead the league in ppg allowed. The Titans allowed more PPG last year and the current worst defense in terms of PPG is the Redskins.
 
2013-12-16 06:30:39 PM  

Treygreen13: robsul82: Treygreen13: robsul82: YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.

Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.

IIRC they had to average about 500 yards per game to get there. They allowed 433 this week, so they're a little behind.

Goddamn it.  I guess I've blocked out how bad the first bunch of games actually were, because I seem to remember the defense getting better - not anywhere near great, or good, or even mediocre - but not an outright dumpster fire toward the end of the season, whereas this year's Dallas defense just seems to get worse.

The Saints D last year gave up 28.3 ppg and 440 ypg. The Cowboys are at 27.5 ppg and 427.3 ypg.

Oddly enough, those teams didn't (and don't in the case of the current season) lead the league in ppg allowed. The Titans allowed more PPG last year and the current worst defense in terms of PPG is the Redskins.


It's the turnover margins that keeps Dallas from being dead last in PPG

Dallas is +11 while the Skins are -8
Last year NO was +2 and Tenn was -4

Or the other way to look at is the other team can't rack up a ton of yards when they start inside field goal range
 
2013-12-16 06:37:40 PM  

ShadowKamui: It's the turnover margins that keeps Dallas from being dead last in PPG

Dallas is +11 while the Skins are -8
Last year NO was +2 and Tenn was -4

Or the other way to look at is the other team can't rack up a ton of yards when they start inside field goal range


Indeed. Actually the pick-6 (or a fumble returned for a TD or a special teams TD) would be the biggest things to swing that the other way. Tony hasn't thrown a pick-6 this year.
 
2013-12-16 06:55:39 PM  
Also, keep in mind the turnover margin on Green Bay's horribad defense. A couple years back they weren't much better than now except for that....they were WAY ahead of the rest of the league in takeaways. They won the Super Bowl.

Since then they've gotten hella worse at turnovers each year, and it shows. They're one of the worst defenses in the league now with much the same personnel.

Capers needs to go. Badly.
 
2013-12-16 07:15:17 PM  

SlothB77: The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.


To be fair, the butt fumble was also ten times funnier (and gif worthy)

/Jets fan
 
2013-12-16 07:29:36 PM  

Night Night Cream Puff: SlothB77: The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.

To be fair, the butt fumble was also ten times funnier (and gif worthy)

/Jets fan


The butt fumble looked like a 3 stooges sketch.  The holder on the face fumble looked like he was not expecting it, because he turned his head to be caught in the face like some sort of oversized cream pie.
 
2013-12-16 09:44:01 PM  
That was an enourmous wall of text, Trey
 
2013-12-16 09:44:41 PM  

harleyquinnical: Night Night Cream Puff: SlothB77: The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.

To be fair, the butt fumble was also ten times funnier (and gif worthy)

/Jets fan

The butt fumble looked like a 3 stooges sketch.  The holder on the face fumble looked like he was not expecting it, because he turned his head to be caught in the face like some sort of oversized cream pie.


It was art
 
2013-12-17 10:09:48 AM  

Jster422: Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.

Remember 4 or 5 weeks into the season, when it was all about how amazingly strong the division was?  Now the goddamn Lions are the only ones with a team left.

Unrelated - whatever happened with Freeman?  I know he was 'concussed' in his first outing - are they going to try to train him up for next year?


Your guess is as good as mine.

I would assume he was so awful in practice that they would prefer to not even give him another shot. I remember Bleacher Report had this really long and detailed article showing how awful all his fundementals were. Our coaches have proven they can teach nobody anything (seeing as how no one has improved their play in the last 3 years here), so since they aren;t seeing progress they want to avoid throwing him back out there.

At the end of the day, Fraizer is going to try anything to keep his job. It won;t work and he probably knows it... yet he is working for his livelyhood and you can;t expect that he would sabotage his own paycheck on purpose.
 
2013-12-17 10:30:01 AM  

rickythepenguin: when's the last time you saw the Cardinals on Monday Night Football?


4.bp.blogspot.com
??
 
2013-12-17 07:48:57 PM  

Khellendros: Carousel Beast: You're overlooking the fact that baseball players tend to maintain their level of play longer than do football players because there's far less physical contact. Past performance a predictor of future results? Really?? The running back and cornerback positions in particular would love to have a word with you, not to mention the variance by scheme, minor injuries, etc.

There may be some value to the statistics, but they are not, will not, and can never be as accurate between baseball and football.

You're comparing player perspective to a game perspective, which isn't correct at all.  Situationally, games in similar states don't "age".  They are what they are - score, yards, etc.  Yes, single players age, so that they decline . However, 50 historical games in the last 15 years that were 45 -10 at the half aren't any different than a current game at 45 - 3 at the half.  The same percentage chance to win will apply.  The historical performance of those games is the best predictor of how those games will play out in the current.

And those statistics have been played out and proven, year after year.  They are nearly as accurate (from a game perspective) as baseball.


Ah, thank you. That is an excellent way to put it, and yes, I was looking at it from the wrong perspective.


/Fark, where you can get a free education
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