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2013-12-16 08:58:31 AM
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-12-16 09:00:36 AM
Why even argue for him at this point? What do you possibly gain from it?
 
2013-12-16 09:09:00 AM
Wait... page views is the answer to my question.
 
2013-12-16 09:19:58 AM
Really, this got greened? Di, you deserve so much better.
 
2013-12-16 09:21:29 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: Why even argue for him at this point? What do you possibly gain from it?


CBS Sports will come up with a QBRomo to compete with ESPN's QBR.  While ESPNs QBR favors a bad defense forcing a QB to win it in the 4th quarter, the QBRomo will favor scoring a lot of points in a loss and any 4th quarter turnovers are irrelevant.
 
2013-12-16 09:23:08 AM
Blame whoever you want, there's plenty for everybody. As a Cowboys fan, I hate the fact that next year we'll have a new HC and O coordinator and possibly another new D coordinator trying a new and better scheme with the same mediocre group of players. Meh
 
2013-12-16 09:23:17 AM
I'm no Romo fan but the article does make some good points.
 
2013-12-16 09:25:06 AM
ESh*tPN has 5 Cowboys stories on it's front panel.  C'mon FARK, we can get more Cowboys choke stories greenlit.

We need more JEST stories too.

Let's NOT talk about how the SheCawks don't have to leave Seattle until February (provided they win 1 of the 2 remaining home games where they are undefeated).  It's a good thing the Superb Owl isn't played in Seattle.
 
2013-12-16 09:30:25 AM
Two Tony Romo threads and not one for Best Manning?

Give a little bit of love to the probable Jake winner.
 
2013-12-16 09:36:07 AM
If Tony Romo simply squares up and properly sets his feet on that first 4th Qt pic he then leads his reciever instead of thrown at his back shoulder. Receiver had the the defender beat and there was ZERO coverage uptop, TD with no question.

But Favre Romo is Romo.

Certainly he wasn;t the ONLY problem. Having 9 out of 11 mediocre to bad defenesive players AND a shiatty scheme when you are winning is a part of it (I have watched it all year with the Vikings) and NOT running the ball over and over again with Murray (I mean my god he's healthy when it matters for once and you aren;t using him?!) are just as important.

Still, Romo shipped the bed twice. He is the head bed shipper on an organization full of bed shippers.
 
2013-12-16 09:39:26 AM

PluckYew: ESh*tPN has 5 Cowboys stories on it's front panel.  C'mon FARK, we can get more Cowboys choke stories greenlit.

We need more JEST stories too.

Let's NOT talk about how the SheCawks don't have to leave Seattle until February (provided they win 1 of the 2 remaining home games where they are undefeated).  It's a good thing the Superb Owl isn't played in Seattle.


www.quickmeme.com
 
2013-12-16 09:41:16 AM
I heard tales of a Romo collapse, but if they ran a balanced offense in the first half, doing well running the ball, why on earth did they get away from that?  Such incompetence cannot fall solely on the QB.  I have seen so many games lost in the last two years by teams with strong run games getting off balance and going for passes rather than what they do well.

Dallas fans deserve better.  Sorry to hear about the loss.
 
2013-12-16 09:44:36 AM

CipollinaFan: Two Tony Romo threads and not one for Best Manning?

Give a little bit of love to the probable Jake winner.


So how do the tiebreaker procedures for the Jake work?  Both Eil and McGloin have 5 turnovers.  Does McGloin get any special bonus for having his replacement throw a pick as well?
 
2013-12-16 09:47:54 AM
Meanwhile in Philly, they stopped pissing on Santa Claus to stare in amazement and cheer on the train wreck that is dallas
 
2013-12-16 09:48:52 AM
Garrett was saying the 2nd and 6 INT Austin was [called a] run, [Romo] audible [to pass], which I buy given the zone blocking that left 52 unblocked. When up 36-31.

hahaha
 
2013-12-16 09:51:47 AM
"According to Advanced NFL Stats, the Cowboys had a 96 percent win probability. At halftime."


I admit I'm not a football guy, or a statisticals guy, and this is the first time I've looked at one of those probability-of-winning graphs so there's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about. But, given that there's a hell of a lot of game still to be played at halftime, how could any formula that's worth a damn possibly give a 96 percent probability of any outcome at that point? Nate Silver's Presidential election forecasts had a lot of "time premium" baked into his numbers; it seems like this 'Advanced NFL Stats' place doesn't have much (if any) of that. What gives?
 
2013-12-16 09:52:27 AM
As much as I love to see a Dallas beatdown (mostly from the way the media gives them the royalty treatment with premiere games no matter how bad they are), I just don't get the play-calling. All Romo aside...

You're up 26-3. You know you have a crummy defense, bad to almost historic levels. Your running back is posting an obscenely high ypr against your opponent. How does any coach put that data together and say, "Hey, you know what? I want my defense on the field as much as possible! My running back really could use some rest. Now's the perfect chance to start slinging the ball all over the field!"
 
2013-12-16 09:54:13 AM
Offense scored 36 points.  Defense couldn't stop a single drive in the second half.  Yes, Romo screwed the pooch throwing two INTs late in the game, but he's the minor villain of this stage play.

Focusing on him ignores the real problems on this team - terrible conditioning, no depth due to incompetent drafting, and epically terrible clock management from the coaching staff.
 
2013-12-16 09:56:39 AM

phaseolus: "According to Advanced NFL Stats, the Cowboys had a 96 percent win probability. At halftime."


I admit I'm not a football guy, or a statisticals guy, and this is the first time I've looked at one of those probability-of-winning graphs so there's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about. But, given that there's a hell of a lot of game still to be played at halftime, how could any formula that's worth a damn possibly give a 96 percent probability of any outcome at that point? Nate Silver's Presidential election forecasts had a lot of "time premium" baked into his numbers; it seems like this 'Advanced NFL Stats' place doesn't have much (if any) of that. What gives?


The probabilities are just a fancy way of restating the margin of victory at any given point in time. They are useless bullshiat
 
2013-12-16 09:57:04 AM

johnny_vegas: Meanwhile in Philly, they stopped pissing on Santa Claus to stare in amazement and cheer on the train wreck that is dallas


And while they did that, Matt Cassel passed for two more touchdowns.
 
2013-12-16 09:57:25 AM

PluckYew: shiattons of bad team pun names


Wow.  That post is almost worth an immediate ignore. I see more originality and humor on the Politics Tab.

Evey opinion you have is now invalid after that post. Yeesh.
 
2013-12-16 10:00:47 AM
So the 2013 December edition of:   Tony Romo White KnightingTM is:

"The Repeated Bad Play Calling in the 2nd Half Made Tony Romo float that horrible pass throw off his back foot and with an open stance"

Duly noted.
 
2013-12-16 10:10:40 AM

phaseolus: I admit I'm not a football guy, or a statisticals guy, and this is the first time I've looked at one of those probability-of-winning graphs so there's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about. But, given that there's a hell of a lot of game still to be played at halftime, how could any formula that's worth a damn possibly give a 96 percent probability of any outcome at that point? Nate Silver's Presidential election forecasts had a lot of "time premium" baked into his numbers; it seems like this 'Advanced NFL Stats' place doesn't have much (if any) of that. What gives?


Lost Thought 00: The probabilities are just a fancy way of restating the margin of victory at any given point in time. They are useless bullshiat


They're not useless at all.  The best predictor of future success is historical performance.  If you look at all historical games of similar state at halftime, the chances of victory for the current game is very likely to be similar to the historical performance of similar games.  If 96% of games in a similar state to this (at halftime) ended up with a victory for the leading team, it's very reasonable to conclude a 96% chance of victory.  Now, one can quibble with what qualifies as a similar situation, such as whether it's just based on score, or if they include factors like home field advantage, weather conditions, total yards, time of possession, team record, etc, and whether those make a better statistical model.  But it's still a valid principle.

Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning.  The models are amazingly accurate.
 
2013-12-16 10:14:10 AM
That's come classic Norv Truner play calling

up by 21... Fark it... where unleashing the Dragon and going deep every play.
 
2013-12-16 10:17:20 AM
 
2013-12-16 10:19:33 AM
Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.
 
2013-12-16 10:19:49 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: PluckYew: ESh*tPN has 5 Cowboys stories on it's front panel.  C'mon FARK, we can get more Cowboys choke stories greenlit.

We need more JEST stories too.

Let's NOT talk about how the SheCawks don't have to leave Seattle until February (provided they win 1 of the 2 remaining home games where they are undefeated).  It's a good thing the Superb Owl isn't played in Seattle.

[www.quickmeme.com image 625x416]


choualbox.com
 
2013-12-16 10:24:00 AM
Khellendros:

Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning.  The models are amazingly accurate.

Baseball's are way better, just purely based on the number of historical MLB games played compared to NFL games played.

Plus, baseball tends to that type of statistical analysis better.
 
2013-12-16 10:29:42 AM

the_cnidarian: Blame whoever you want, there's plenty for everybody. As a Cowboys fan, I hate the fact that next year we'll have a new HC and O coordinator and possibly another new D coordinator trying a new and better scheme with the same mediocre group of players. Meh


Could be worse - you could be a Redskins fan.

/ We are hurting here.
// Need to draft new owner
/// So do you guys, for that matter
 
2013-12-16 10:30:01 AM
So, where's the thread where we discuss how Roger Goodell is totes cool with dirty hits that injury if they're hitting punters whose jerseys don't even sell anyway?
 
2013-12-16 10:30:15 AM
Whatever narrative you chose to adopt it was still amazing to watch happen, especially considering the fact that a big chunk of the viewers expected Romo to blow it and he delivered. Now how Romo got put into that situation to serve up some more glorious 4th quarter fail is pretty obvious but still, when you're sitting around with your friends and everyone is talking about how Romo is going to throw a second pick to seal the game and then he does, well it's damn fun to watch and a cause for celebration.

Who cares if Dallas' D sucks or the play calling was awful, it's all true, watching Romo fail yet again in a huge game and then admiring the blowback is way more fun, it's like a circus and Romo is the high quality clown getting all the attention. Does he deserve it all? Hell no, maybe people should be paying more attention to the toothless lion that is the Dallas defense but they're not, he's getting all the attention anyway and he deserves some of it, so tough shiat Romo, go cry on your bed of money with some insanely hot chick.
 
2013-12-16 10:30:56 AM
Tony Romo had a lousy second half and did nothing to combat the media narrative they constructed for him, but talking about that ignores the sucking chest wound.  Jerry ran off Rob Ryan and hired Monte Kiffin, who has now demonstrated for everyone to see that he's a decade behind the curve. Meanwhile, Ryan is tearing up the league in New Orleans under another former Cowboys coordinator.  You'll hear three times as much about Romo today as you will about just how idiotic of a move Jones has made, and it continually pisses me off how players and coaches get raked over the coals while companies like ESPN walk on eggshells around the owners.
 
2013-12-16 10:32:11 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.


It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.
 
2013-12-16 10:33:05 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-16 10:37:16 AM

Prey4reign: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.

It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.


I'm no Cowboy fan, so if you're trying to troll me you can move on.
 
2013-12-16 10:38:06 AM

bacongood: Khellendros:

Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning.  The models are amazingly accurate.

Baseball's are way better, just purely based on the number of historical MLB games played compared to NFL games played.

Plus, baseball tends to that type of statistical analysis better.


Absolutely.  Larger sample set gives you better outputs. However, since these models got serious in the early 2000's for the NFL, the winning percentages have been accurate to within a few percentage points for nearly every situational state from halftime forward.  They get a little fuzzy when you try to apply them before that, and of course they get tighter as you push later in the game.
 
2013-12-16 10:41:17 AM

Khellendros: Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning. The models are amazingly accurate.


If they were amazingly accurate they wouldn't swing wildly during the course of a game.
 
2013-12-16 10:41:27 AM

akuma976: [i.imgur.com image 850x470]


As best as I can tell from the graph, the Packers had a 3% chance of winning with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter.  So, Romo gave up 97% points in 3 minutes. That equates to a FAIL rate of 32.333%/min inside 3 minutes.

Impressive.
 
2013-12-16 10:41:59 AM

UNC_Samurai: Tony Romo had a lousy second half and did nothing to combat the media narrative they constructed for him, but talking about that ignores the sucking chest wound.  Jerry ran off Rob Ryan and hired Monte Kiffin, who has now demonstrated for everyone to see that he's a decade behind the curve. Meanwhile, Ryan is tearing up the league in New Orleans under another former Cowboys coordinator.  You'll hear three times as much about Romo today as you will about just how idiotic of a move Jones has made, and it continually pisses me off how players and coaches get raked over the coals while companies like ESPN walk on eggshells around the owners.


Well, obviously it's never the fault of the owners and GMs for how shiatty a team is.  Jerry is a farking genius.  If the coaches and players were any better, teams would win more games.  Kiffin must be a good defensive coordinator because I've heard of him.  When the Cowboys lose, it's ALWAYS Romo's fault.  If he was better, he would put more points on the scoreboard.

Sarcasm aside, ESPN is owned by Disney, so they can construct whatever fairy tale they want at any given time.  Any good fairy tale needs a villain.
 
2013-12-16 10:42:50 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.


it crosses the line, and if she reports the thread, it'll get shut down.
 
2013-12-16 10:43:37 AM

EyeballKid: So, where's the thread where we discuss how Roger Goodell is totes cool with dirty hits that injury if they're hitting punters whose jerseys don't even sell anyway?


If you cry hard enough it will come true. Just squeeze out some more tears and wish hard.
 
2013-12-16 10:43:49 AM
Funny thing is, as bad as the division is, Dallas still has a legitimate shot at being eliminated in the first round of the playoffs.
 
2013-12-16 10:43:51 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: PluckYew: shiattons of bad team pun names

Wow.  That post is almost worth an immediate ignore. I see more originality and humor on the Politics Tab.

Evey opinion you have is now invalid after that post. Yeesh.


NOCGFY
 
2013-12-16 10:45:18 AM
Yes they have a bad D, yes its mind boggling that they weren't running the ball, but, those were 2 bad balls Romo threw, IMO. Thats nobody's fault but his. On the 2nd pick, he never sets up. He just fires the ball in a panic. Had he set his feet, and taken half a second, he probably doesn't throw a pick.
 
2013-12-16 10:46:38 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.


Yeah. I agree. It was probably meant in fun, but it's a bit pointed.
 
2013-12-16 10:47:32 AM

Cletus C.: Funny thing is, as bad as the division is, Dallas still has a legitimate shot at being eliminated in the first round of the playoffs.


Well, since Chip may continue to have Henery squibb kick to Devon Hester, this is a distinct possibility.

And Skins vs. Cowboys next week - does anyone want to win that game?  The 4th quarter is going to be so full of choke they'll need a legion of medics ready to perform the Heimlich on the sidelines.
 
2013-12-16 10:47:33 AM

PluckYew: NOCGFY


BECAUSE MOSGINISM IS HILARIOUS! HAHAHA.
 
2013-12-16 10:47:43 AM

iron_city_ap: Yes they have a bad D, yes its mind boggling that they weren't running the ball, but, those were 2 bad balls Romo threw, IMO. Thats nobody's fault but his. On the 2nd pick, he never sets up. He just fires the ball in a panic. Had he set his feet, and taken half a second, he probably doesn't throw a pick.


From what I saw of the replay, waiting any longer results in a sack for Romo and that just won't do in today's NFL.
 
2013-12-16 10:48:09 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Really, this got greened? Di, you deserve so much better.


Awww, thanks, honey. It's not really a problem for me unless it's ugly. Kind of comes with the territory of being a loudmouth, I guess. And subby's right. I could've very well written that article. It doesn't excuse what Romo did, but it points out that there is PLENTY of blame to go around.

That being said, I don't really have a lot of time to fark around on fark today. So you kids have fun. Just be cool & bring facts instead of your SportsCenter narratives.

antidisestablishmentarianism: [i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]


Accurate.
 
2013-12-16 10:49:25 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Prey4reign: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.

It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.

I'm no Cowboy fan, so if you're trying to troll me you can move on.


I know you were complaining about the headline but it was at least funny because, hey, I lol'd.  No need to White Knight the Tony Romo apologist as she's demonstrated time and again, 1). she's strong enough to take it, and 2). she generally knows of what she talks (with the exception of going a bit overboard in her defense of Romo and the Cowgirls).

The main point here really is that, once again Jason Garrett has failed in a massive way of moving the team he coaches beyond a .500 record since he took over and Tony Romo failed in the most obvious way by continuing to make dumb decisions at the absolute worst time.
 
2013-12-16 10:49:35 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.


But but but....  nobody ever selectively enforces the rules around here.....
 
2013-12-16 10:50:23 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: PluckYew: NOCGFY

BECAUSE MOSGINISM IS HILARIOUS! HAHAHA.


I had to check in case I missed something.

img.fark.net

I didn't.
 
2013-12-16 10:51:02 AM

Sweet Chin Music: http://cdn2.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ROMO-FFF.gif
Too big for Fark, unfortunately...


awesome
 
2013-12-16 10:57:33 AM

coeyagi: Jim from Saint Paul: PluckYew: NOCGFY

BECAUSE MOSGINISM IS HILARIOUS! HAHAHA.

I had to check in case I missed something.

[img.fark.net image 850x274]

I didn't.


Nope, I typoed.

I am sure that means I will be called something really lame and made up by someomen else by this dude.
 
2013-12-16 10:57:33 AM

Khellendros: phaseolus: I admit I'm not a football guy, or a statisticals guy, and this is the first time I've looked at one of those probability-of-winning graphs so there's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about. But, given that there's a hell of a lot of game still to be played at halftime, how could any formula that's worth a damn possibly give a 96 percent probability of any outcome at that point? Nate Silver's Presidential election forecasts had a lot of "time premium" baked into his numbers; it seems like this 'Advanced NFL Stats' place doesn't have much (if any) of that. What gives?

Lost Thought 00: The probabilities are just a fancy way of restating the margin of victory at any given point in time. They are useless bullshiat

They're not useless at all.  The best predictor of future success is historical performance.  If you look at all historical games of similar state at halftime, the chances of victory for the current game is very likely to be similar to the historical performance of similar games.  If 96% of games in a similar state to this (at halftime) ended up with a victory for the leading team, it's very reasonable to conclude a 96% chance of victory.  Now, one can quibble with what qualifies as a similar situation, such as whether it's just based on score, or if they include factors like home field advantage, weather conditions, total yards, time of possession, team record, etc, and whether those make a better statistical model.  But it's still a valid principle.

Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning.  The models are amazingly accurate.


Basically. I mean, according to PFR, teams leading by 23 at halftime in the post-merger era were 38-1 before yesterday (the only other team to come back: the 1982 Packers). Maybe that's a small sample size, so we'll branch it out to 21 to 25 points. Of 312 games since 1990 with that margin, only 12 were lost. 300-12 is a 96.1% winning percentage. More recently, since 2010, teams were 59-3, (Peyton Can't Play in the Cold, Philip Rivers's Monday Night Jake, and DeSean Farking Jackson being the only losses) for a 95.2% winning percentage.
 
2013-12-16 10:58:15 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: coeyagi: Jim from Saint Paul: PluckYew: NOCGFY

BECAUSE MOSGINISM IS HILARIOUS! HAHAHA.

I had to check in case I missed something.

[img.fark.net image 850x274]

I didn't.

Nope, I typoed.

I am sure that means I will be called something really lame and made up by someoNE else by this dude.


YEESH. I really should get to work.
 
2013-12-16 10:59:22 AM
I thought calling out specific Farkers in headlines, whether direct or indirect, was forbidden.
 
2013-12-16 11:00:04 AM

Di Atribe: Incorrigible Astronaut: Really, this got greened? Di, you deserve so much better.

Awww, thanks, honey. It's not really a problem for me unless it's ugly. Kind of comes with the territory of being a loudmouth, I guess. And subby's right. I could've very well written that article. It doesn't excuse what Romo did, but it points out that there is PLENTY of blame to go around.

That being said, I don't really have a lot of time to fark around on fark today. So you kids have fun. Just be cool & bring facts instead of your SportsCenter narratives.

antidisestablishmentarianism: [i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]

Accurate.


As long as you're back tomorrow for the Rankings Thread.
 
2013-12-16 11:01:00 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: coeyagi: Jim from Saint Paul: PluckYew: NOCGFY

BECAUSE MOSGINISM IS HILARIOUS! HAHAHA.

I had to check in case I missed something.

[img.fark.net image 850x274]

I didn't.

Nope, I typoed.

I am sure that means I will be called something really lame and made up by someomen else by this dude.


You're not going to be called anything other than "someone having a persecution complex".

Also, a typo would be misspelling 1 letter accidentally.  You omitted a letter and reversed 2 others.  That sounds a bit like i-don't-know-how-the-word-is-spelled-ism to me.  Not that I care that much, I was just curious if that was a word I had never heard before, so I checked, and it wasn't.  If you had made a plain typo, I wouldn't have bothered to check.
 
2013-12-16 11:04:31 AM

Lost Thought 00: Khellendros: Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning. The models are amazingly accurate.

If they were amazingly accurate they wouldn't swing wildly during the course of a game.


Incorrect.  You don't seem to understand how situational statistics work.  They if you look at any percentage at any point, any game in that state at that point will have the correct final % outcome.  If we monitor a hundred more games with the same halftime state as the Cowboys game, you would be close to 96% of them ending with a win for the leading team.  However, if you examine those same games with 5 minutes left, they have progressed to a different state.  96% will STILL end up winning, but they fall into different sub buckets, and you see which teams are more likely to be in the other 4%.  They are all correct at that moment, and the final state is correct for each of those games based on the pool in every states during the course of the game.
 
2013-12-16 11:06:25 AM
The Cowboys can fark off for letting the Packers back into the division race.

/Go Ravens!
//BEARS!
 
2013-12-16 11:08:20 AM

the_cnidarian: Blame whoever you want, there's plenty for everybody. As a Cowboys fan, I hate the fact that next year we'll have a new HC and O coordinator and possibly another new D coordinator trying a new and better scheme with the same mediocre group of players. Meh


What's the current thinking about their cap space? I've read that it will have to be a largely different mediocre group of players next year.
 
2013-12-16 11:09:14 AM

RminusQ: Basically. I mean, according to PFR, teams leading by 23 at halftime in the post-merger era were 38-1 before yesterday (the only other team to come back: the 1982 Packers)


uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh am I reading this incorrectly?
 
2013-12-16 11:11:58 AM
I will say one thing Romo got thrown under the bus by his own coach after the game. That's going to help team chemistry soooo much.
 
2013-12-16 11:12:45 AM

PluckYew: Let's NOT talk about how the SheCawks don't have to leave Seattle until February (provided they win 1 of the 2 remaining home games where they are undefeated).  It's a good thing the Superb Owl isn't played in Seattle.


It's at Met Life Stadium. Have you seen what they can do in Met Life Stadium?

/was at the game yesterday
//we are everywhere
 
2013-12-16 11:13:05 AM

llortcM_yllort: CipollinaFan: Two Tony Romo threads and not one for Best Manning?

Give a little bit of love to the probable Jake winner.

So how do the tiebreaker procedures for the Jake work?  Both Eil and McGloin have 5 turnovers.  Does McGloin get any special bonus for having his replacement throw a pick as well?


As a Raider fan I say McGloin is more deserving. His INTs lost the game that was completely winnable. Eli just flubbed up and didnt score any points in a game he couldnt win.
 
2013-12-16 11:13:11 AM

coeyagi: Jim from Saint Paul: coeyagi: Jim from Saint Paul: PluckYew: NOCGFY

BECAUSE MOSGINISM IS HILARIOUS! HAHAHA.

I had to check in case I missed something.

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I didn't.

Nope, I typoed.

I am sure that means I will be called something really lame and made up by someomen else by this dude.

You're not going to be called anything other than "someone having a persecution complex".

Also, a typo would be misspelling 1 letter accidentally.  You omitted a letter and reversed 2 others.  That sounds a bit like i-don't-know-how-the-word-is-spelled-ism to me.  Not that I care that much, I was just curious if that was a word I had never heard before, so I checked, and it wasn't.  If you had made a plain typo, I wouldn't have bothered to check.



ty·po
noun \ˈtī-(ˌ)pō\
: a mistake (such as a misspelled word) in typed or printed text

 Meh. Don;t see anything that says it has to be 1 or more. I messed it up. It is what it is.
 
2013-12-16 11:14:27 AM

abhorrent1: The Cowboys can fark off for letting the Packers back into the division race.

/Go Ravens!
//BEARS!


You know what happened after the Saints won the Superbowl?  New Orleans was still poor.

//anxiously awaiting Delta City, brought to you by Omni Consumer Products
 
2013-12-16 11:15:14 AM

coeyagi: abhorrent1: The Cowboys can fark off for letting the Packers back into the division race.

/Go Ravens!
//BEARS!

You know what happened after the Saints won the Superbowl?  New Orleans was still poor.

//anxiously awaiting Delta City, brought to you by Omni Consumer Products


Ignore that.  Misread, thought you were rooting for Detroit.

//Go Eagles!
 
2013-12-16 11:18:09 AM
So no headline for Eli's magical 5 picks?
 
2013-12-16 11:19:46 AM

thecpt: So no headline for Eli's magical 5 picks?


24 picks this year.  Is it really that unexpected?
 
2013-12-16 11:20:47 AM

CipollinaFan: Two Tony Romo threads and not one for Best Manning?

Give a little bit of love to the probable Jake winner.


As a Giants fan, I'm totally okay with Eli stinking up the joint for the rest of the year. They're already out of playoff contention, so we're just looking at a better draft pick. If they're going to be awful, they might as well be comically awful. And if they're going to be comically awful, better that they do it when they've got nothing to win.

/Incidentally, this is where one of you points out that they traded away this year's draft pick
 
2013-12-16 11:26:01 AM

ariseatex: I thought calling out specific Farkers in headlines, whether direct or indirect, was forbidden.


the modding, in case you haven't noticed tends to be inconsistent.  and this headline, while obvious to NFL farkers, is still pretty subtle so it probably doesn't violate the "no callouts" rule.  and to be my own devil's advocate, when there are obvious callouts, those threads then to go away pretty quickly.


thecpt: So no headline for Eli's magical 5 picks?


elite QB, huh?

bummed that Larry Fitz has been diagnosed with a concussion.  he got knocked pretty hard.  the moment he got clocked he dropped the ball.  didn't look good.  and there were a few shots of him on the sideline as the OT progressed, and he had "that" look, like he wasn't really processing information.  Didn't look good.

i thought the same thign Peter King did, re the the Titans playing for OT.  their season is already screwed, they're #2 QB has been playing since, what, the last month, it appears they're ready to cut ties with Locker, Munchak went into that game as one of the 3 coaches most likely to be fired on Black Monday.......he had a chance to go for two to win.  and he played it safe and played for OT.  Shoudla gone for it.  im glad he didn't of course, but.....nothing to lose, pardon the pun.  he's a dead man walking, the team is a dead man walking, give the fans something to root for.  he played in conservatively and still lost.
 
2013-12-16 11:26:32 AM

thecpt: So no headline for Eli's magical 5 picks?


Apparently not because it was somehow less surprising than Romo-geddon.

mikaloyd: llortcM_yllort: CipollinaFan: Two Tony Romo threads and not one for Best Manning?

Give a little bit of love to the probable Jake winner.

So how do the tiebreaker procedures for the Jake work?  Both Eil and McGloin have 5 turnovers.  Does McGloin get any special bonus for having his replacement throw a pick as well?

As a Raider fan I say McGloin is more deserving. His INTs lost the game that was completely winnable. Eli just flubbed up and didnt score any points in a game he couldnt win.


I think Eli should get it because he didn't get any points on the board while McGloin did help with that.  Then again, McGloin had the fumble.  I look forward to rob's article tomorrow either way.
 
2013-12-16 11:34:20 AM

harleyquinnical: thecpt: So no headline for Eli's magical 5 picks?

Apparently not because it was somehow less surprising than Romo-geddon.

mikaloyd: llortcM_yllort: CipollinaFan: Two Tony Romo threads and not one for Best Manning?

Give a little bit of love to the probable Jake winner.

So how do the tiebreaker procedures for the Jake work?  Both Eil and McGloin have 5 turnovers.  Does McGloin get any special bonus for having his replacement throw a pick as well?

As a Raider fan I say McGloin is more deserving. His INTs lost the game that was completely winnable. Eli just flubbed up and didnt score any points in a game he couldnt win.

I think Eli should get it because he didn't get any points on the board while McGloin did help with that.  Then again, McGloin had the fumble.  I look forward to rob's article tomorrow either way.


I think Mr. Stafford is going to surprise us all tonight and make a strong bid for Jake of the year.
 
2013-12-16 11:36:50 AM

rickythepenguin: ariseatex: I thought calling out specific Farkers in headlines, whether direct or indirect, was forbidden.

the modding, in case you haven't noticed tends to be inconsistent.  and this headline, while obvious to NFL farkers, is still pretty subtle so it probably doesn't violate the "no callouts" rule.  and to be my own devil's advocate, when there are obvious callouts, those threads then to go away pretty quickly.


thecpt: So no headline for Eli's magical 5 picks?

elite QB, huh?

bummed that Larry Fitz has been diagnosed with a concussion.  he got knocked pretty hard.  the moment he got clocked he dropped the ball.  didn't look good.  and there were a few shots of him on the sideline as the OT progressed, and he had "that" look, like he wasn't really processing information.  Didn't look good.

i thought the same thign Peter King did, re the the Titans playing for OT.  their season is already screwed, they're #2 QB has been playing since, what, the last month, it appears they're ready to cut ties with Locker, Munchak went into that game as one of the 3 coaches most likely to be fired on Black Monday.......he had a chance to go for two to win.  and he played it safe and played for OT.  Shoudla gone for it.  im glad he didn't of course, but.....nothing to lose, pardon the pun.  he's a dead man walking, the team is a dead man walking, give the fans something to root for.  he played in conservatively and still lost.


Losing TM and fitz in back to back weeks...that sucks.

I sincerely hope they never expand the schedule. Just too dangerous.
 
2013-12-16 11:44:21 AM

thecpt: So no headline for Eli's magical 5 picks?


I really don't know what the fark Eli was doing. The Seahawks have 6'+ corners with excellent ball skills across the board, so, yeah dude, keep lofting those "50/50" balls that never work against Seattle.

As far as the Cowboys go....there was no reason for Dallas to not have at least 30 rushing attempts in that game. The fact that they're defense sucks should provide even MORE incentive to run some clock down. Combine that with the Packers sucking against the run themselves.

Instead...what, 18 carries all game? Ridiculous.
 
2013-12-16 11:44:45 AM
The problems were legion.  A good quarterback wouldn't have made the mistakes that Romo made that sealed the fate.  A good defense wouldn't have allowed a team to come back like GB did and good coaching wouldn't have had such shiatty play calling on a 2nd and 6 with around 2 minutes left.

So yes, Romo deserves some blame, maybe even a bigger portion of it since his actions resulted in setting the winning score.  But that doesn't excuse the rest of the team (including the coaching staff) by a damn sight.
 
2013-12-16 11:48:14 AM

Killer Cars: The fact that they're defense sucks


Meanwhile, my grammar is equally subpar
 
2013-12-16 11:52:36 AM

Killer Cars: Killer Cars: The fact that they're there defense sucks

Meanwhile, my grammar is equally subpar


Their you go.
 
2013-12-16 11:56:53 AM

thecpt: Losing TM and fitz in back to back weeks...that sucks.



yeah, and Carson Palmer had a high ankle sprain on a dirty play by TEN, which was flagged 15 for i think unsportmanslike.  palmer released the ball, and then the DE or whatever kinda blindsided him but low, like a  kill shot to the knee.  on replay it didn't look good and Palmer was obviously in pain.  we got i think 3 off the automatic first down and half the distance, but.....yeha.  that sucked.

it isn't official but there are the "team sources" reports out there, re Fitz.  so now, just a matter of, with two games left, how bad is the concussion and thus, does he play?  @SEA, home SFO.  huge games.  huuge.
 
2013-12-16 12:11:15 PM
Is it really "the narrative" when for the last four or five of these the seeming majority opinion of sportswriters and talking heads is don't blame Romo, _____ was worse?
 
2013-12-16 12:24:53 PM
Perhaps I was still drunk, but I swear I heard the dynamic duo fellating Jerry Jones in the first half as "Owner, GM, Defensive Coordinator" after all his recommended changes from last week.  I must have blacked out in the 2nd half because I don't remember hearing that retracted.
 
2013-12-16 12:24:55 PM
I dont like the cowboys, i give Di a hard time every now and then, but this crossed a line.
 
2013-12-16 12:27:49 PM
Throw an INT and lose a game 36-37 and get TWO headlines on the same day, one calling out a member of the community.

So. Classy.
 
2013-12-16 12:32:15 PM
I'm a die hard trollhawks fan, so I don't care much for the Cowboys.  But it's amazing to me how many idiots there are that spew and spittle about how bad Romo is.

Romo gets flustered when he's put under pressure to perform.  And then makes mistakes.  Do you know why, mouth breathing lunatics?  Because Romo can only score so many points before his DEFENSE has to actually man up and play like they've been there before.

You can try to blame Romo all you want, but the fact of the matter is, there's at least, at LEAST, 3-4 games where if Dallas' defense was on par with say, the Panthers or even the Texans, the Cowboys would've destroyed their opponent and would be playing for a high NFC seed.

But hey, enjoy your offseason complaining about Romo.  I'm sure if you replace him with Kirk Cousins or McCown, he'll fix all of their problems and they'll go undefeated, right?

Oh wait, the defense just gave up 40 points again.  But yeah...the QB who's averaging 26 pts a game is *totally* the problem.  Good jorb.
 
2013-12-16 12:41:40 PM

Fade2black: Romo gets flustered when he's put under pressure to perform. And then makes mistakes. Do you know why, mouth breathing lunatics? Because Romo can only score so many points before his DEFENSE has to actually man up and play like they've been there before.


Its not like the Cowboys defense hasnt been there before. Romo himself sometimes puts them in that position
 
2013-12-16 12:43:28 PM
i hope subby is the same farker that posted this or one of you owes that farker a greenlight (or month of TF)
 
2013-12-16 12:50:18 PM
All I need to know about Dallas is this: during Monday's game against the Bears, Dallas didn't force one single punt. And that's the *second* time this season they did that.

Historically. Bad. Defense.
 
2013-12-16 12:54:11 PM

Leader O'Cola: RminusQ: Basically. I mean, according to PFR, teams leading by 23 at halftime in the post-merger era were 38-1 before yesterday (the only other team to come back: the 1982 Packers)

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh am I reading this incorrectly?


Since you told me nothing at all about how you read it, I can't possibly answer that. That link shows 40 teams who had a 23-point lead at halftime, of whom 38 went on to win. Discounting yesterday's game, that means they were 38-1. If you're seeing something else, you need to clarify.
 
2013-12-16 12:54:19 PM

mikaloyd: Fade2black: Romo gets flustered when he's put under pressure to perform. And then makes mistakes. Do you know why, mouth breathing lunatics? Because Romo can only score so many points before his DEFENSE has to actually man up and play like they've been there before.

Its not like the Cowboys defense hasnt been there before. Romo himself sometimes puts them in that position


Bullshiat, the defense is one of the worst in the league in about every single stat category

They should never be in the situation for a single Romoception to cost them the game against these bad teams, but they are because the defense is a bunch of sub-par players.  When Romo starts throwing 5 picks a game like Manning the Lesser then you can start blaming him
 
2013-12-16 01:01:22 PM
Meanwhile, nobody talks about the heroics of Matt Flynn and the GB defense. And I'm very proud of our WRs. Just an astounding effort in the second half. Back up tightends (quarless, you're the farking man), Boykin looking like an experienced vet somehow, and Datone picking it up after jolly went out. Just an awesome contribution from players who normally aren't involved and/or learning the ropes.

Their efforts are completely overshadowed as if the win was just given to them. They deserve to be on the highlight reels.
 
2013-12-16 01:06:25 PM
At this point, it's obvious that people are baiting Di on purpose.

Stop.

Grow up.
 
2013-12-16 01:07:12 PM

ShadowKamui: They should never be in the situation for a single Romoception to cost them the game against these bad teams,


It took several interceptions this time. At particularly bad times. Im not saying Romo is the cause of all Cowboys problems in all Cowboys losses. But when it IS primarily Romos fault a game is lost there is nothing to be gained by denying it. Yesterday Romo shat the bed. So did my favorite quarterback Drew Brees. So did McGloin. So did Eli. Theres no point in trying to call a turd on the sheets a rose when everybody can see and smell the turd. Wait for a game that isnt lost by dumb needless interceptions at heartbreaking times to get more traction.
 
2013-12-16 01:10:33 PM
This site is my homepage. Every day I get to work I load this site up and read the Sports tab. I don't go anywhere else for my sports because I used to feel like everyone was part of a big group of fans that all gathered around and had fun.

Used to.

Lately, the click-whoring has reached unbearable levels. It's bad enough that ESPN tries to cram their version of events down our throats, but now Fark feels the need to repeatedly green the same topics just to see us complain about them. They'll attach random player tags of regular users to unrelated stories to get them to come to the threads. I've paid $5 per month for a while now just to post trivia that I write just for this site in the Power Rankings thread every week and now I don't even know when they'll be up - it could come at any time between 11am and 4pm depending on whatever idiot modmin is working that day.

But that's not the worst thing. The worst thing is that this is no longer a tab where a community talks about the greenlit content. It's one where the content is greenlit to antagonize specific members of the community. Where content is put up regardless of quality (looking at you, PFM) just to make us type more letters and drive the hits up. When is the last time you can honestly say you came here and actually learned something through the greenlights instead of just serving as an opportunity to biatch at each other? I know it's been a while for me. I follow the NFL, watch NFL Network, ESPN, and read Fark every day of the week and for all our biatching and moaning about ESPN being unwilling to just let a topic go we're worse by far. We talked about Tebow just as much as they did. We biatched about the Patriots just as much as they did. We must have had 20 Redskins name greenlights this year in spite of the fact that they're NOT changing the name, we're going to have 30 Redskins RG3 Greenlights by the end of the season, and in every thread we're going to say exactly the same thing (OMG DAN SNYDER) and then pretend like we know anything other than exactly what we're fed every single farking day. It's the same for every Cowboys thread (OMG TONY ROMO) and it'll be the same for every 49ers/Seahawks thread and it'll be the exact same for every other thread in this tab because we're fed us the same crap over. and over. and over.

I guess the reason I'm so upset about this is because I genuinely like a lot of you.  Robsuland  mikaloydare two of my favorite farkers.  eddievercetti is a great guy (for an Eagles fan) and I love seeing people like  Bunny de Ville representing their team even if they're bad. Not to mention my Cowboys fan friends on this site, who I've met in person and even sent little gifts back and forth with. Even IAmRight (who I bitterly disagreed with for quite a while) always gave me a lot to think about and I felt like he had reasons for feeling the way he did even if I disagreed with him and thought he was wrong. You guys are the type of people that make this tab work. I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of you, and I'm sorry if I don't list your name. I just want to get this all out. But some people on this site do nothing but antagonize others, contribute nothing, and turn every thread into a giant shiat-fest that makes me want to just close the window and actually do some work. Ugh.

Anyway, I was really disappointed in the tab today. Two threads on a Cowboys regular season loss, neither one of which were a clever headline - only playgrounds for us to fight with each other. Well, I'm not going to hop in that sandbox again today. If you want this to be what your website is about, then fine. You don't need my $5 to make a fan forum. Just know that some of us want to talk Football instead of yelling at each other.
 
2013-12-16 01:19:12 PM

mikaloyd: ShadowKamui: They should never be in the situation for a single Romoception to cost them the game against these bad teams,

It took several interceptions this time. At particularly bad times. Im not saying Romo is the cause of all Cowboys problems in all Cowboys losses. But when it IS primarily Romos fault a game is lost there is nothing to be gained by denying it. Yesterday Romo shat the bed. So did my favorite quarterback Drew Brees. So did McGloin. So did Eli. Theres no point in trying to call a turd on the sheets a rose when everybody can see and smell the turd. Wait for a game that isnt lost by dumb needless interceptions at heartbreaking times to get more traction.


What freaking game were you watching?   Romo threw the 1st interception @ 2:58 in the 4th quarter.  And even still the packers had to go 50 yards

That's not shiatting the bed, that dashing the last glimmer of hope that the defense had been trying all season to destroy
 
2013-12-16 01:22:52 PM

Treygreen13: This site is my homepage. Every day I get to work I load this site up and read the Sports tab. I don't go anywhere else for my sports because I used to feel like everyone was part of a big group of fans that all gathered around and had fun.

Used to...



TL;DR

This site is going downhill fast. All in the name of profit and clicks.

I agree that calling someone out is pretty bad, it happened the other day as well. And of course the Mandela green was terrible...
 
2013-12-16 01:24:52 PM

Treygreen13: This site is my homepage. Every day I get to work I load this site up and read the Sports tab. I don't go anywhere else for my sports because I used to feel like everyone was part of a big group of fans that all gathered around and had fun.

Used to.

Lately, the click-whoring has reached unbearable levels. It's bad enough that ESPN tries to cram their version of events down our throats, but now Fark feels the need to repeatedly green the same topics just to see us complain about them. They'll attach random player tags of regular users to unrelated stories to get them to come to the threads. I've paid $5 per month for a while now just to post trivia that I write just for this site in the Power Rankings thread every week and now I don't even know when they'll be up - it could come at any time between 11am and 4pm depending on whatever idiot modmin is working that day.

But that's not the worst thing. The worst thing is that this is no longer a tab where a community talks about the greenlit content. It's one where the content is greenlit to antagonize specific members of the community. Where content is put up regardless of quality (looking at you, PFM) just to make us type more letters and drive the hits up. When is the last time you can honestly say you came here and actually learned something through the greenlights instead of just serving as an opportunity to biatch at each other? I know it's been a while for me. I follow the NFL, watch NFL Network, ESPN, and read Fark every day of the week and for all our biatching and moaning about ESPN being unwilling to just let a topic go we're worse by far. We talked about Tebow just as much as they did. We biatched about the Patriots just as much as they did. We must have had 20 Redskins name greenlights this year in spite of the fact that they're NOT changing the name, we're going to have 30 Redskins RG3 Greenlights by the end of the season, and in every thread we're going to say exactly the same thing (OMG DAN SNYDER) and then pretend like we know anything other than exactly what we're fed every single farking day. It's the same for every Cowboys thread (OMG TONY ROMO) and it'll be the same for every 49ers/Seahawks thread and it'll be the exact same for every other thread in this tab because we're fed us the same crap over. and over. and over.

I guess the reason I'm so upset about this is because I genuinely like a lot of you.  Robsuland  mikaloydare two of my favorite farkers.  eddievercetti is a great guy (for an Eagles fan) and I love seeing people like  Bunny de Ville representing their team even if they're bad. Not to mention my Cowboys fan friends on this site, who I've met in person and even sent little gifts back and forth with. Even IAmRight (who I bitterly disagreed with for quite a while) always gave me a lot to think about and I felt like he had reasons for feeling the way he did even if I disagreed with him and thought he was wrong. You guys are the type of people that make this tab work. I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of you, and I'm sorry if I don't list your name. I just want to get this all out. But some people on this site do nothing but antagonize others, contribute nothing, and turn every thread into a giant shiat-fest that makes me want to just close the window and actually do some work. Ugh.

Anyway, I was really disappointed in the tab today. Two threads on a Cowboys regular season loss, neither one of which were a clever headline - only playgrounds for us to fight with each other. Well, I'm not going to hop in that sandbox again today. If you want this to be what your website is about, then fine. You don't need my $5 to make a fan forum. Just know that some of us want to talk Football instead of yelling at each other.


:::applause:::

THIS. So much this.

I'm tired of people on here being dicks just to be dicks. The football threads have been my favorite part of fark... hell, of the entire internet, even, for six or seven seasons now. I don't want people to leave because of dicks and trolls.

SO farkING WHAT if TonyRomo had a bad day. You don't need to harass someone in the headline. It was funny when it was done to me in good spirits. This was not funny.

So. To reiterate. GROW UP.

And to my Fark Football Friends... that ignore button exists for a reason. I hate to use it. You hate to use it. But I'd hate for you to give up on our threads, too.
 
2013-12-16 01:26:36 PM

Bunny Deville: And to my Fark Football Friends... that ignore button exists for a reason.


Word.
 
2013-12-16 01:30:50 PM

Prey4reign: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.

It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.


Get a life.
 
2013-12-16 01:30:52 PM

Treygreen13: This site is my homepage. Every day I get to work I load this site up and read the Sports tab. I don't go anywhere else for my sports because I used to feel like everyone was part of a big group of fans that all gathered around and had fun.

Used to.

Lately, the click-whoring has reached unbearable levels. It's bad enough that ESPN tries to cram their version of events down our throats, but now Fark feels the need to repeatedly green the same topics just to see us complain about them. They'll attach random player tags of regular users to unrelated stories to get them to come to the threads. I've paid $5 per month for a while now just to post trivia that I write just for this site in the Power Rankings thread every week and now I don't even know when they'll be up - it could come at any time between 11am and 4pm depending on whatever idiot modmin is working that day.

But that's not the worst thing. The worst thing is that this is no longer a tab where a community talks about the greenlit content. It's one where the content is greenlit to antagonize specific members of the community. Where content is put up regardless of quality (looking at you, PFM) just to make us type more letters and drive the hits up. When is the last time you can honestly say you came here and actually learned something through the greenlights instead of just serving as an opportunity to biatch at each other? I know it's been a while for me. I follow the NFL, watch NFL Network, ESPN, and read Fark every day of the week and for all our biatching and moaning about ESPN being unwilling to just let a topic go we're worse by far. We talked about Tebow just as much as they did. We biatched about the Patriots just as much as they did. We must have had 20 Redskins name greenlights this year in spite of the fact that they're NOT changing the name, we're going to have 30 Redskins RG3 Greenlights by the end of the season, and in every thread we're going to say exactly the same thing (OMG DAN SNYDER) and ...



On one hand, I agree with you -- I hate the cowboys and I relish every time they lose, and I like ribbing their fans for a good fun, but this crossed a line.

On the other hand, at times this just sounds as complaints for picking on the cowboys when they're down, something that has been going on for several seasons -- and less about a tasteless headline that calls out a beloved Farker.
 
2013-12-16 01:32:13 PM

Prey4reign: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.

It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.


Oh Fark you. And I hate the cowboys.
 
2013-12-16 01:35:34 PM

Dinobot: On the other hand, at times this just sounds as complaints for picking on the cowboys when they're down, something that has been going on for several seasons -- and less about a tasteless headline that calls out a beloved Farker.


I appreciate a good Cowboys rib-kicking as long as the headline is clever and there's something to discuss or read in the story. I've been here since 2007 so I've seen PLENTY of it, so it's not like I just woke up with a sandy vagina today and couldn't handle it anymore.  But there's nothing "Farkish" about either of these Cowboys greenlights - on a week where we get to see the best of the best Fark headlines of the year I'm reminded how good this site can be at its best and then I see this greenlight and remember just how terrible a site can be if the content doesn't match the spirit of the website.
 
2013-12-16 01:36:32 PM
UKiffinIA
 
2013-12-16 01:40:18 PM

Treygreen13: This site is my homepage. Every day I get to work I load this site up and read the Sports tab. I don't go anywhere else for my sports because I used to feel like everyone was part of a big group of fans that all gathered around and had fun.

Used to.

Lately, the click-whoring has reached unbearable levels. It's bad enough that ESPN tries to cram their version of events down our throats, but now Fark feels the need to repeatedly green the same topics just to see us complain about them. They'll attach random player tags of regular users to unrelated stories to get them to come to the threads. I've paid $5 per month for a while now just to post trivia that I write just for this site in the Power Rankings thread every week and now I don't even know when they'll be up - it could come at any time between 11am and 4pm depending on whatever idiot modmin is working that day.

But that's not the worst thing. The worst thing is that this is no longer a tab where a community talks about the greenlit content. It's one where the content is greenlit to antagonize specific members of the community. Where content is put up regardless of quality (looking at you, PFM) just to make us type more letters and drive the hits up. When is the last time you can honestly say you came here and actually learned something through the greenlights instead of just serving as an opportunity to biatch at each other? I know it's been a while for me. I follow the NFL, watch NFL Network, ESPN, and read Fark every day of the week and for all our biatching and moaning about ESPN being unwilling to just let a topic go we're worse by far. We talked about Tebow just as much as they did. We biatched about the Patriots just as much as they did. We must have had 20 Redskins name greenlights this year in spite of the fact that they're NOT changing the name, we're going to have 30 Redskins RG3 Greenlights by the end of the season, and in every thread we're going to say exactly the same thing (OMG DAN SNYDER) and ...


Use the ignore button Trey or the Dark Side wins. Just ignore about 30 people. If they start saying interesting things theyll get quoted and you unignore them. Its not as if the chaff makes the wheat tastier. There is still interesting and topical content without all the white noise. And you never even notice the missing content. I learned this in NASCAR threads which at one point were roughly 50/50 fun (or even piss me off content) and "herp-a-derp Southern Hillbillies are dum, racing in circles wiff skittles colors is dum herp a derp why you not moar smrtr like formula one" content. I just went hog wild with ignore and saw almost none of them again. And the threads became fun social experiences instead of drudges through quagmires of stupid. A few made it back off my ignore list with interesting comments. Not many though. Most full on trolls just are not ever interesting just irritating.

I guess what Im saying is try it. You might get your community feel back if you do and theres not much risk.
 
2013-12-16 01:43:00 PM
Just locked in Dallas -2.5 next week.

If a loss like this does eat at them all week and bring out their best next Sunday, well then blow up the team and start over.
 
2013-12-16 01:43:15 PM

Treygreen13: Dinobot: On the other hand, at times this just sounds as complaints for picking on the cowboys when they're down, something that has been going on for several seasons -- and less about a tasteless headline that calls out a beloved Farker.

I appreciate a good Cowboys rib-kicking as long as the headline is clever and there's something to discuss or read in the story. I've been here since 2007 so I've seen PLENTY of it, so it's not like I just woke up with a sandy vagina today and couldn't handle it anymore.  But there's nothing "Farkish" about either of these Cowboys greenlights - on a week where we get to see the best of the best Fark headlines of the year I'm reminded how good this site can be at its best and then I see this greenlight and remember just how terrible a site can be if the content doesn't match the spirit of the website.


I think this is part of what Jerry Jones had in mind with his marketing of the Cowboys Brand. Love 'em or Love to Hate 'em, you are talking about the Cowboys. I'm sorry but deal with that.

It's not Fark's fault that more people hate the Cowboys and would rather talk negatively about them, specially after a loss like yesterday -- and as such, getting a headline like that is not surprising -- the first one that is. This one? Not so much, this one is personal and as such I repudiate such headline.

You don't want to deal with negative headlines? Choose a less polarizing team -- I don't see giants, jags, viqueens, et al fans crying about how they get mocked in the headlines.

I will talk Football all you want, but there are certain things that come with the territory with being a Cowboys fan.

I also see the bad headlines about the Broncos whenever they lose -- I try to laugh 'em off or analyze them and such -- but I never take them so seriously as to blow a gasket over them.
 
2013-12-16 01:45:14 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Prey4reign: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.

It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.

Get a life.


I have one of those Paladin, only I refuse to waste it White Knighting for somebody who I also admitted can take care of herself and generally knows what she's talking about.


Dinobot: Prey4reign: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.

It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.

Oh Fark you. And I hate the cowboys.


Your disgust and disgruntlement at my comment in this thread is duly noted.  I also point to the fact that, in my later response, I lauded the object of your White Knighting as being a tough and informed person.  So, I'm wondering where all the hatred and bitterness comes from?
 
2013-12-16 01:46:26 PM

snowshovel: As much as I love to see a Dallas beatdown (mostly from the way the media gives them the royalty treatment with premiere games no matter how bad they are), I just don't get the play-calling. All Romo aside...

You're up 26-3. You know you have a crummy defense, bad to almost historic levels. Your running back is posting an obscenely high ypr against your opponent. How does any coach put that data together and say, "Hey, you know what? I want my defense on the field as much as possible! My running back really could use some rest. Now's the perfect chance to start slinging the ball all over the field!"


this.  no dog on the hunt other than my respect for DiAtribe, but that second half play-calling might be the worst i've ever seen.

/and i'm a Raiders fan.
 
2013-12-16 01:48:31 PM
The Cowboys arent dead yet. They *could* win the superbowl still. Probably too early for dancing on the grave.
 
2013-12-16 01:51:45 PM

mikaloyd: The Cowboys arent dead yet. They *could* win the superbowl still. Probably too early for dancing on the grave.


But nobody talks about how the Vikings won against a division favorite without AP.

I'm happy for them. Hope they beat the loins when the time comes
 
2013-12-16 01:56:05 PM

thecpt: mikaloyd: The Cowboys arent dead yet. They *could* win the superbowl still. Probably too early for dancing on the grave.

But nobody talks about how the Vikings won against a division favorite without AP.

I'm happy for them. Hope they beat the loins when the time comes


The Vikings are dead though as far as playoffs are concerned.
 
2013-12-16 02:01:08 PM

mikaloyd: thecpt: mikaloyd: The Cowboys arent dead yet. They *could* win the superbowl still. Probably too early for dancing on the grave.

But nobody talks about how the Vikings won against a division favorite without AP.

I'm happy for them. Hope they beat the loins when the time comes

The Vikings are dead though as far as playoffs are concerned.


Well yeah, but the eagles aren't. Making it even more inexplicable and worthy of writing about IMO
 
2013-12-16 02:01:26 PM

INeedAName: I agree that calling someone out is pretty bad, it happened the other day as well. And of course the Mandela green was terrible...


The Mandela green was horrible.  Even worse that they didn't pull the green after everyone expressed how terrible a headline it was.  They've pulled better headlines for less reasons.  They specifically left up the bad headline as click bait even after the better headline was up on the Main Page.

That being said, I haven't spent any money on the site.  My one month of Total Fark was donated by Rwa2play (thanks again in case you didn't see it the first time), so I'm probably not taking it as hard as some of the people who actively support the site through Total Fark.
 
2013-12-16 02:05:10 PM

akuma976: [i.imgur.com image 850x470]


about 2/3 the way through the 3rd quarter it looks like Dallas has a greater than 100% chance of winning.
 
2013-12-16 02:12:43 PM

thecpt: But nobody talks about how the Vikings won against a division favorite without AP.


And without their 2nd stringer RB.

And while using their 4th or 5th QB this year, the immortal Matt Cassel.

And how said division favorite decided to let the best back in the NFL carry the ball a grand total of *EIGHT* times.
 
2013-12-16 02:16:53 PM

thecpt: Well yeah, but the eagles aren't. Making it even more inexplicable and worthy of writing about IMO


You didnt even mention Eagles and you want to talk about them? OK they got blasted out of the park by a weak assed Minnesota team when they really needed a win ..

Plus who the FARK do they think they are co-opting America's symbol? Those snowball throwing bastards.
 
2013-12-16 02:19:46 PM

thecpt: mikaloyd: thecpt: mikaloyd: The Cowboys arent dead yet. They *could* win the superbowl still. Probably too early for dancing on the grave.

But nobody talks about how the Vikings won against a division favorite without AP.

I'm happy for them. Hope they beat the loins when the time comes

The Vikings are dead though as far as playoffs are concerned.

Well yeah, but the eagles aren't. Making it even more inexplicable and worthy of writing about IMO


Oh it's a garunteed Vikings win if the lions are still possibly able to make the playoffs.

I mean, the Vikings need to lose to better their draft standing and the Lions need to win to have a chance to get into the playoffs. That's a combo platter of the 2 teams screwing themselves over. They may literally start the wrecking process of the dome midway 3rd quarter.
 
2013-12-16 02:20:40 PM
The NFC East should give their playoff spot to the Cardinals.

/ cowboy fan
 
2013-12-16 02:24:04 PM

4NSpy: Just locked in Dallas -2.5 next week.

If a loss like this does eat at them all week and bring out their best next Sunday, well then blow up the team and start over.


Won't matter.  Blowing up the team and starting over will still leave you with the two primary problems 1)  General Manager is still Jerry Jones, and 2)  The Owner is still Jerry Jones.
 
2013-12-16 02:25:12 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: I mean, the Vikings need to lose to better their draft standing and the Lions need to win to have a chance to get into the playoffs. That's a combo platter of the 2 teams screwing themselves over. They may literally start the wrecking process of the dome midway 3rd quarter.


SNOW GAME!
 
2013-12-16 02:26:14 PM

mikaloyd: Jim from Saint Paul: I mean, the Vikings need to lose to better their draft standing and the Lions need to win to have a chance to get into the playoffs. That's a combo platter of the 2 teams screwing themselves over. They may literally start the wrecking process of the dome midway 3rd quarter.

SNOW GAME!


2 years out in the cold at TCF stadium. I am already miserable with the thought.
 
2013-12-16 02:29:05 PM

Dinobot: You don't want to deal with negative headlines? Choose a less polarizing team -- I don't see giants, jags, viqueens, et al fans crying about how they get mocked in the headlines.

I will talk Football all you want, but there are certain things that come with the territory with being a Cowboys fan.


Actually, I don't "pick" my team. I was born and raised a Cowboys fan. I put my allowance into the football pot in the 1994 Super Bowl when I was 10 years old. I've lived within walking distance to the stadium for nearly a decade and I even go to the draft and practices. I'm not about to dump my favorite team because the average mouth-breathing football moron doesn't like them because they feel like it.
 
2013-12-16 02:30:37 PM

Treygreen13: This site is my homepage. Every day I get to work I load this site up and read the Sports tab. I don't go anywhere else for my sports because I used to feel like everyone was part of a big group of fans that all gathered around and had fun.

Used to.

Lately, the click-whoring has reached unbearable levels. It's bad enough that ESPN tries to cram their version of events down our throats, but now Fark feels the need to repeatedly green the same topics just to see us complain about them. They'll attach random player tags of regular users to unrelated stories to get them to come to the threads. I've paid $5 per month for a while now just to post trivia that I write just for this site in the Power Rankings thread every week and now I don't even know when they'll be up - it could come at any time between 11am and 4pm depending on whatever idiot modmin is working that day.

But that's not the worst thing. The worst thing is that this is no longer a tab where a community talks about the greenlit content. It's one where the content is greenlit to antagonize specific members of the community. Where content is put up regardless of quality (looking at you, PFM) just to make us type more letters and drive the hits up. When is the last time you can honestly say you came here and actually learned something through the greenlights instead of just serving as an opportunity to biatch at each other? I know it's been a while for me. I follow the NFL, watch NFL Network, ESPN, and read Fark every day of the week and for all our biatching and moaning about ESPN being unwilling to just let a topic go we're worse by far. We talked about Tebow just as much as they did. We biatched about the Patriots just as much as they did. We must have had 20 Redskins name greenlights this year in spite of the fact that they're NOT changing the name, we're going to have 30 Redskins RG3 Greenlights by the end of the season, and in every thread we're going to say exactly the same thing (OMG DAN SNYDER) and ...


+1.    I know that dynamic entities change and websites evolve, but holy shiat has fark changed in the last 1-2 years.
 
2013-12-16 02:31:45 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: mikaloyd: Jim from Saint Paul: I mean, the Vikings need to lose to better their draft standing and the Lions need to win to have a chance to get into the playoffs. That's a combo platter of the 2 teams screwing themselves over. They may literally start the wrecking process of the dome midway 3rd quarter.

SNOW GAME!

2 years out in the cold at TCF stadium. I am already miserable with the thought.


It looks like no temps below zero this week in Minneapolis so it might be OK. You can tell its cold when fans are burning booze for warmth instead of drinking it
 
2013-12-16 02:41:06 PM

Treygreen13: I just want to get this all out. But some people on this site do nothing but antagonize others, contribute nothing, and turn every thread into a giant shiat-fest that makes me want to just close the window and actually do some work. Ugh.


dude, you're a huge part of the NFL threads specifically.  Don't let it bother you that much.

yes, "soemone" got called out.  what are you gonna do?  The person that greenlit this is equally to blame as the person that submitted it. either way, WFC?  don't let it get to you.  it was probably submitted with a wink anyways.  don't sweat it.
 
2013-12-16 02:51:38 PM

rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: I just want to get this all out. But some people on this site do nothing but antagonize others, contribute nothing, and turn every thread into a giant shiat-fest that makes me want to just close the window and actually do some work. Ugh.

dude, you're a huge part of the NFL threads specifically.  Don't let it bother you that much.

yes, "soemone" got called out.  what are you gonna do?  The person that greenlit this is equally to blame as the person that submitted it. either way, WFC?  don't let it get to you.  it was probably submitted with a wink anyways.  don't sweat it.


It does bother me, though. There is so much more we could be discussing.

The Redskins dropped another game after going for 2 for the win on the 2 yard line.
The Browns scored 31 and nearly beat the bears.
The Texans are the biggest dumpster fire of a division favorite in the history of dumpster fires.
The Patriots lost to the Dolphins when Brady threw a pick in the endzone as time expired.
The Vikings mauled the Eagles with backups of backups.
The Seahawks shut out the Giants and Manning the Lesser threw 5 picks.
The 49ers have won 4 in a row and look to be an actual playoff contender finally.
The Panthers have tied the Saints for the NFC south division when the Saints dropped one to the Rams and the Panthers have won 9 of their last 10.
The Cardinals and Titans played an overtime thriller resulting in the Cardinals going to the top of the list for teams on the outside looking in.

And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.
 
2013-12-16 03:02:14 PM

Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.



bleh.  yesterday was pretty epic by NFL standards, but, have you noticed how Sports Tab is largely....not irrelevant, but.....they don't pay a whole lot of attention to it.  they greenlight stories days after they happen or sometimes not at all.  yes, as ntoed above, "fark has changed", but week in week out there are bona fide NFL stories that don't get posted.  don't worry about it so much.

they seem to lately love more soccer and NASCAR stories.  there's a bevy of NFL storeis today, but that's to be expected on a monday.

and, listen to any sports talk radio show today.  the hottest topic is Romo's "choker" label.  just because on this site, "she" has defended him doesn't mean this is not pageworthy.  go to foxsports, espn, and cnnsi:  the cowboys, be it dez leaving or the game in general, is one of the first 2-4 stories on the homepage.
 
2013-12-16 03:06:02 PM

rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.


bleh.  yesterday was pretty epic by NFL standards, but, have you noticed how Sports Tab is largely....not irrelevant, but.....they don't pay a whole lot of attention to it.  they greenlight stories days after they happen or sometimes not at all.  yes, as ntoed above, "fark has changed", but week in week out there are bona fide NFL stories that don't get posted.  don't worry about it so much.

they seem to lately love more soccer and NASCAR stories.  there's a bevy of NFL storeis today, but that's to be expected on a monday.

and, listen to any sports talk radio show today.  the hottest topic is Romo's "choker" label.  just because on this site, "she" has defended him doesn't mean this is not pageworthy.  go to foxsports, espn, and cnnsi:  the cowboys, be it dez leaving or the game in general, is one of the first 2-4 stories on the homepage.


That doesn't mean we have to be like that, though. As Di's fan graph shows, we have lurkers and posters from all the teams. I see the submissions through TF, I know people are submitting stories about other teams. They just don't get greenlit because talking about the Panthers doesn't devolve into a 200 post shiatstorm like the ones they greenlight over and over and over.
 
2013-12-16 03:07:01 PM

rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: I just want to get this all out. But some people on this site do nothing but antagonize others, contribute nothing, and turn every thread into a giant shiat-fest that makes me want to just close the window and actually do some work. Ugh.

dude, you're a huge part of the NFL threads specifically.  Don't let it bother you that much.

yes, "soemone" got called out.  what are you gonna do?  The person that greenlit this is equally to blame as the person that submitted it. either way, WFC?  don't let it get to you.  it was probably submitted with a wink anyways.  don't sweat it.


I submitted this completely as a nod and a wink.  When I read the article I felt like she had written it at least 4 times already this season as every point the writer made I had seen her make multiple times already. It was meant as a tribute to her famous among farkers fandom.
 
2013-12-16 03:07:39 PM

Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.

There is one about the Giants/Seahawks game. And 2 about the Flyers collapse to the Capitals.
 
2013-12-16 03:07:55 PM

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: I just want to get this all out. But some people on this site do nothing but antagonize others, contribute nothing, and turn every thread into a giant shiat-fest that makes me want to just close the window and actually do some work. Ugh.

dude, you're a huge part of the NFL threads specifically.  Don't let it bother you that much.

yes, "soemone" got called out.  what are you gonna do?  The person that greenlit this is equally to blame as the person that submitted it. either way, WFC?  don't let it get to you.  it was probably submitted with a wink anyways.  don't sweat it.

It does bother me, though. There is so much more we could be discussing.

The Redskins dropped another game after going for 2 for the win on the 2 yard line.
The Browns scored 31 and nearly beat the bears.
The Texans are the biggest dumpster fire of a division favorite in the history of dumpster fires.
The Patriots lost to the Dolphins when Brady threw a pick in the endzone as time expired.
The Vikings mauled the Eagles with backups of backups.
The Seahawks shut out the Giants and Manning the Lesser threw 5 picks.
The 49ers have won 4 in a row and look to be an actual playoff contender finally.
The Panthers have tied the Saints for the NFC south division when the Saints dropped one to the Rams and the Panthers have won 9 of their last 10.
The Cardinals and Titans played an overtime thriller resulting in the Cardinals going to the top of the list for teams on the outside looking in.

And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.


I must admit I'm highly amused by Shanahan trying to get fired.

And that Cassel putting on that performance should seal Frazier's fate as he was the biggest Ponder proponent and kept Cassel on the bench as long as possible.  Put the game on his shoulders and he carried it, when we're used to trying to have AP do it. Was a great win. Defense tried to let them back in but Cassel never quit and kept the offense scoring.and moving.  And a nice debut for Asiata as well.
 
2013-12-16 03:08:39 PM

elguerodiablo: rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: I just want to get this all out. But some people on this site do nothing but antagonize others, contribute nothing, and turn every thread into a giant shiat-fest that makes me want to just close the window and actually do some work. Ugh.

dude, you're a huge part of the NFL threads specifically.  Don't let it bother you that much.

yes, "soemone" got called out.  what are you gonna do?  The person that greenlit this is equally to blame as the person that submitted it. either way, WFC?  don't let it get to you.  it was probably submitted with a wink anyways.  don't sweat it.

I submitted this completely as a nod and a wink.  When I read the article I felt like she had written it at least 4 times already this season as every point the writer made I had seen her make multiple times already. It was meant as a tribute to her famous among farkers fandom.


I don't even care if it's about Di Atribe. I care that we got two threads to argue about the exact same argument we have every week and are completely ignoring the rest of the NFL because the modmins want clicks.
 
2013-12-16 03:11:11 PM

mikaloyd: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.
There is one about the Giants/Seahawks game. And 2 about the Flyers collapse to the Capitals.


The Giants/Seahawks thing died immediately because it was about the store and contest, not about Eli's once-in-a-lifetime-terrible season and Seahawks defense absolutely shredding them.
 
2013-12-16 03:12:37 PM

Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread


Welcome to Fark. Home of no NBA threads unless it's one to hate on the Lakers (and they are so pedestrian this year even THOSE threads are dried up).

Have you see our Beiber is lesbian Entertainment tab?
 
2013-12-16 03:13:33 PM

ariseatex: I thought calling out specific Farkers in headlines, whether direct or indirect, was forbidden.


I was ignorant of this.  I thought it was cool as long as you didn't put their username in the headline.  But I do see this has ruffled a few feathers so I will keep this in mind in the future.
 
2013-12-16 03:15:11 PM

Treygreen13: mikaloyd: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.
There is one about the Giants/Seahawks game. And 2 about the Flyers collapse to the Capitals.

The Giants/Seahawks thing died immediately because it was about the store and contest, not about Eli's once-in-a-lifetime-terrible season and Seahawks defense absolutely shredding them.


Get on in there and drive the conversation to your destination.
 
2013-12-16 03:17:27 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread

Welcome to Fark. Home of no NBA threads unless it's one to hate on the Lakers (and they are so pedestrian this year even THOSE threads are dried up).

Have you see our Beiber is lesbian Entertainment tab?


I've seen all the tabs. I don't even acknowledge the Politics tab (been there, got trolled by that) and I once got a greenlight on my submission mocking the Entertainment Tab for greenlighting anything about Britney Spears back during her meltdown and got Fark a hundred more clicks on the topic. Both those tabs could disappear and I'd shed no tears.
 
2013-12-16 03:18:07 PM

elguerodiablo: I submitted this completely as a nod and a wink.


I bet you submitted that polar opposite Nelson Mandela headline too didnt you?

*looks at elGeeDee suspiciously*
 
2013-12-16 03:18:37 PM

mikaloyd: Treygreen13: mikaloyd: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.
There is one about the Giants/Seahawks game. And 2 about the Flyers collapse to the Capitals.

The Giants/Seahawks thing died immediately because it was about the store and contest, not about Eli's once-in-a-lifetime-terrible season and Seahawks defense absolutely shredding them.

Get on in there and drive the conversation to your destination.


I already posted in there.
 
2013-12-16 03:23:52 PM

Treygreen13: I already posted in there.


I just gave you another foothold. Go in there and throw down some mad stats against Eli.
 
2013-12-16 03:28:07 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread

Welcome to Fark. Home of no NBA threads unless it's one to hate on the Lakers (and they are so pedestrian this year even THOSE threads are dried up).

Have you see our Beiber is lesbian Entertainment tab?


Oh god the entertainment tab. Every band is awful unless you like a select very few classic rock bands apparently
 
2013-12-16 03:28:08 PM

Treygreen13: They just don't get greenlit because talking about the Panthers doesn't devolve into a 200 post shiatstorm like the ones they greenlight over and over and over.


well, that's the other side of the coin of being America's Team.  Higher profile targets get more action.  Lower profile targets tend to get ignored. when's the last time you saw the Cardinals on Monday Night Football?


elguerodiablo: I submitted this completely as a nod and a wink


yeah, i figured as much.  only someone who was faily intimate (wrong wrod, sorry) with the Who's Who of the NFL threads would get it.  but i don't tink it was malicious.


Jim from Saint Paul: Have you see our Beiber is lesbian Entertainment tab?


for a while Entermainment was Arrested Development tab.
 
2013-12-16 03:43:58 PM

rickythepenguin: for a while Entermainment was Arrested Development tab.


Any worthwhile real-time threads are for those in the Eastern time zone. Hardly any point in entering a live-as-it-happens thread talking about a show that wont be broadcast until hours later here. Hell I will even watch a football stream that is slightly choppy and real time over one that is perfect visually but 2 minutes slow while following FARK football threads.
 
2013-12-16 03:47:23 PM

elguerodiablo: I submitted this completely as a nod and a wink. When I read the article I felt like she had written it at least 4 times already this season as every point the writer made I had seen her make multiple times already. It was meant as a tribute to her famous among farkers fandom.


Heh. Well the headline itself isn't offensive to me. Like I said in my earlier posting, the article does sound like something I would say. But stuff like this can have some unintended consequences. I know you didn't mean it bad, Satan Cat.


Treygreen13: I don't even care if it's about Di Atribe.


HEY!


Treygreen13: I care that we got two threads to argue about the exact same argument we have every week and are completely ignoring the rest of the NFL because the modmins want clicks.


Oh I see. Yes. Very much this. And everything else you said. I HATE using the ignore function, but I may have to start. This is supposed to be a fun & smart place to discuss sports with others who understand sports.
 
2013-12-16 03:47:34 PM

Khellendros: bacongood: Khellendros:

Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning.  The models are amazingly accurate.

Baseball's are way better, just purely based on the number of historical MLB games played compared to NFL games played.

Plus, baseball tends to that type of statistical analysis better.

Absolutely.  Larger sample set gives you better outputs. However, since these models got serious in the early 2000's for the NFL, the winning percentages have been accurate to within a few percentage points for nearly every situational state from halftime forward.  They get a little fuzzy when you try to apply them before that, and of course they get tighter as you push later in the game.


You're overlooking the fact that baseball players tend to maintain their level of play longer than do football players because there's far less physical contact. Past performance a predictor of future results? Really?? The running back and cornerback positions in particular would love to have a word with you, not to mention the variance by scheme, minor injuries, etc.

There may be some value to the statistics, but they are not, will not, and can never be as accurate between baseball and football.
 
2013-12-16 03:49:32 PM

Di Atribe: Well the headline itself isn't offensive to me.


yeah, she's rolling with it.  she's a big girl.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN.  OVARIES THE SIZE OF YOUR FRIGGIN' HEAD.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN
 
2013-12-16 03:50:36 PM

Carousel Beast: Khellendros: bacongood: Khellendros:

Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning.  The models are amazingly accurate.

Baseball's are way better, just purely based on the number of historical MLB games played compared to NFL games played.

Plus, baseball tends to that type of statistical analysis better.

Absolutely.  Larger sample set gives you better outputs. However, since these models got serious in the early 2000's for the NFL, the winning percentages have been accurate to within a few percentage points for nearly every situational state from halftime forward.  They get a little fuzzy when you try to apply them before that, and of course they get tighter as you push later in the game.

You're overlooking the fact that baseball players tend to maintain their level of play longer than do football players because there's far less physical contact. Past performance a predictor of future results? Really?? The running back and cornerback positions in particular would love to have a word with you, not to mention the variance by scheme, minor injuries, etc.

There may be some value to the statistics, but they are not, will not, and can never be as accurate between baseball and football.


Read the whole argument for vs against trying to apply money-ball to basketball.  Footballs a whole different level beyond that
 
2013-12-16 03:56:08 PM

Carousel Beast: You're overlooking the fact that baseball players tend to maintain their level of play longer than do football players because there's far less physical contact. Past performance a predictor of future results? Really?? The running back and cornerback positions in particular would love to have a word with you, not to mention the variance by scheme, minor injuries, etc.

There may be some value to the statistics, but they are not, will not, and can never be as accurate between baseball and football.


You're comparing player perspective to a game perspective, which isn't correct at all.  Situationally, games in similar states don't "age".  They are what they are - score, yards, etc.  Yes, single players age, so that they decline . However, 50 historical games in the last 15 years that were 45 -10 at the half aren't any different than a current game at 45 - 3 at the half.  The same percentage chance to win will apply.  The historical performance of those games is the best predictor of how those games will play out in the current.

And those statistics have been played out and proven, year after year.  They are nearly as accurate (from a game perspective) as baseball.
 
2013-12-16 03:56:26 PM

rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: Well the headline itself isn't offensive to me.

yeah, she's rolling with it.  she's a big girl.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN.  OVARIES THE SIZE OF YOUR FRIGGIN' HEAD.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN


My pants are getting tight
 
2013-12-16 04:01:50 PM

Treygreen13: mikaloyd: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.
There is one about the Giants/Seahawks game. And 2 about the Flyers collapse to the Capitals.

The Giants/Seahawks thing died immediately because it was about the store and contest, not about Eli's once-in-a-lifetime-terrible season and Seahawks defense absolutely shredding them.


So who wants to get a conversation going about that? I was there. It was awesome.
 
2013-12-16 04:02:57 PM

rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: Well the headline itself isn't offensive to me.

yeah, she's rolling with it.  she's a big girl.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN.  OVARIES THE SIZE OF YOUR FRIGGIN' HEAD.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN


Oh, why thank you for noticing Senor Penguino. But like I said, while this is fairly innocuous, it could set a bad precedent. And there IS a difference between friendly nudges and malicious trolling. The former is cool, the latter is a waste of time & energy. NO ME GUSTA but anyway:

i27.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-16 04:03:04 PM

Super Chronic: Treygreen13: mikaloyd: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread.
There is one about the Giants/Seahawks game. And 2 about the Flyers collapse to the Capitals.

The Giants/Seahawks thing died immediately because it was about the store and contest, not about Eli's once-in-a-lifetime-terrible season and Seahawks defense absolutely shredding them.

So who wants to get a conversation going about that? I was there. It was awesome.


We've got it going in that thread.
 
2013-12-16 04:04:06 PM

mikaloyd: rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: Well the headline itself isn't offensive to me.

yeah, she's rolling with it.  she's a big girl.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN.  OVARIES THE SIZE OF YOUR FRIGGIN' HEAD.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN

My pants are getting tight


i27.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-16 04:04:33 PM

mikaloyd: rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: Well the headline itself isn't offensive to me.

yeah, she's rolling with it.  she's a big girl.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN.  OVARIES THE SIZE OF YOUR FRIGGIN' HEAD.  SHE'S A GROWN ASS WOMAN

My pants are getting tight


Hell, i'm done.
 
2013-12-16 04:12:02 PM

Treygreen13: But that's not the worst thing. The worst thing is that this is no longer a tab where a community talks about the greenlit content. It's one where the content is greenlit to antagonize specific members of the community. Where content is put up regardless of quality (looking at you, PFM) just to make us type more letters and drive the hits up. When is the last time you can honestly say you came here and actually learned something through the greenlights instead of just serving as an opportunity to biatch at each other? I know it's been a while for me. I follow the NFL, watch NFL Network, ESPN, and read Fark every day of the week and for all our biatching and moaning about ESPN being unwilling to just let a topic go we're worse by far. We talked about Tebow just as much as they did. We biatched about the Patriots just as much as they did. We must have had 20 Redskins name greenlights this year in spite of the fact that they're NOT changing the name, we're going to have 30 Redskins RG3 Greenlights by the end of the season, and in every thread we're going to say exactly the same thing (OMG DAN SNYDER) and then pretend like we know anything other than exactly what we're fed every single farking day. It's the same for every Cowboys thread (OMG TONY ROMO) and it'll be the same for every 49ers/Seahawks thread and it'll be the exact same for every other thread in this tab because we're fed us the same crap over. and over. and over.

I guess the reason I'm so upset about this is because I genuinely like a lot of you. Robsuland mikaloydare two of my favorite farkers. eddievercetti is a great guy (for an Eagles fan) and I love seeing people like Bunny de Ville representing their team even if they're bad. Not to mention my Cowboys fan friends on this site, who I've met in person and even sent little gifts back and forth with. Even IAmRight (who I bitterly disagreed with for quite a while) always gave me a lot to think about and I felt like he had reasons for feeling the wa ...


You have made statements of great wisdom. Fark is a community and we thrive best by treating each other with respect. That means a healthy dose of ribbing when it is deserved, but it doesn't mean a rousing chorus of taunts.
 
2013-12-16 04:14:06 PM
Here's the part that grinds my gears.

In the offseason, the owner and coach publicly gave him a 100M contract and an expectation to try and be Peyton 2.0.

He went up to the line, saw 9 or 10 men in the box against the power run, and did PRECISELY what Manning the elder would want to do, and that's read the D and change the play to something else.

Of course, Manning the Elder would have known to eat the run anyhow, because eating clock was even more important than moving chains. BUT< you take what you can get. You wanted Romo to read the D and change the play like Manning? There you go.

It isn't that he read the D and changed the play from a run per se. If he'd have changed it to a DIFFERENT run, or a different pass that wasn't an INT, we wouldn't be talking about this.

But he tried to be Peyton 2.0 and failed pretty much as hardcore as he could possibly fail.

How's that 108M sound now, Jurrah?

Romo isn't the problem. The GM and Coaching staff are.
 
2013-12-16 04:15:08 PM

Di Atribe: This is supposed to be a fun & smart place to discuss sports with others who understand sports.


Well, that lets me out.
 
2013-12-16 04:16:32 PM

Treygreen13: Jim from Saint Paul: Treygreen13: And we're not discussing any of it. It's two Cowboys threads, one about Jamaal Charles, and the weekly anti-Steelers thread

Welcome to Fark. Home of no NBA threads unless it's one to hate on the Lakers (and they are so pedestrian this year even THOSE threads are dried up).

Have you see our Beiber is lesbian Entertainment tab?

I've seen all the tabs. I don't even acknowledge the Politics tab (been there, got trolled by that) and I once got a greenlight on my submission mocking the Entertainment Tab for greenlighting anything about Britney Spears back during her meltdown and got Fark a hundred more clicks on the topic. Both those tabs could disappear and I'd shed no tears.


I, for one, miss the Music tab
 
2013-12-16 04:17:56 PM

RminusQ: You have made statements of great wisdom. Fark is a community and we thrive best by treating each other with respect. That means a healthy dose of ribbing when it is deserved, but it doesn't mean a rousing chorus of taunts.


YOUR BUTT SMELLS LIKE POOP!!!!
 
2013-12-16 04:18:50 PM
May Jerry Jones live a long and healthy life.

/Go Ravens
 
2013-12-16 04:28:28 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Di Atribe: This is supposed to be a fun & smart place to discuss sports with others who understand sports.

Well, that lets me out.


Hardly. ;)
 
2013-12-16 04:29:10 PM

stir22: snowshovel: As much as I love to see a Dallas beatdown (mostly from the way the media gives them the royalty treatment with premiere games no matter how bad they are), I just don't get the play-calling. All Romo aside...

You're up 26-3. You know you have a crummy defense, bad to almost historic levels. Your running back is posting an obscenely high ypr against your opponent. How does any coach put that data together and say, "Hey, you know what? I want my defense on the field as much as possible! My running back really could use some rest. Now's the perfect chance to start slinging the ball all over the field!"

this.  no dog on the hunt other than my respect for DiAtribe, but that second half play-calling might be the worst i've ever seen.

/and i'm a Raiders fan.


Dallas had 349 offensive yards going into the half, Vince McMahon Jerry Jones came over the headphones and announced that he was changing the script for the show and that Dallas was going to break it's single game offensive yards gained record by running only passing plays for the remainder of the game.
 
2013-12-16 04:30:22 PM
Usually just stick to the sunday game thread. Rest of the week you can find better news and discussions on other sites. /r/NFL is a great community with news posted as it happens, not 3 days later with a lame title.

Contradicting my first sentence by making this post.  Oops.

www.quickmeme.com
 
2013-12-16 04:30:37 PM

AlHarris31: May Jerry Jones live a long and healthy life.

/Go Ravens


May Jerry Jones' corpse fester in the gutter with visiting Steelers fans.

/Go Ravens
//Go Cowboys
 
2013-12-16 04:33:10 PM
The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.
 
2013-12-16 04:33:24 PM

4NSpy: Usually just stick to the sunday game thread. Rest of the week you can find better news and discussions on other sites. /r/NFL is a great community with news posted as it happens, not 3 days later with a lame title.

Contradicting my first sentence by making this post.  Oops.

[www.quickmeme.com image 400x300]


I just don't understand the reasoning for dragging the tab into a cesspool of click bait. I submitted 11 stories about different teams today and they all went red. And it's not because I think my headlines were good, but that I think we have a lot to talk about besides the 3 topics Fark keeps hammering over and over.
 
2013-12-16 04:35:47 PM

SlothB77: The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.


As I've stated upthread, I don't mind if you rag on the Cowboys after a loss. It could be any team getting ragged on in a creative way or with an interesting story and I'd be ok with it.

Instead we get threads for the exact purpose of starting flamewars, and we get multiples of them instead of other content we could be discussing.
 
2013-12-16 04:51:36 PM
When scoring 35+ points, 31 teams that aren't Dallas are 51-2 this year, I heard.

Dallas, when scoring 35+....is 1-2.
 
2013-12-16 04:53:47 PM

xaks: When scoring 35+ points, 31 teams that aren't Dallas are 51-2 this year, I heard.

Dallas, when scoring 35+....is 1-2.


Would love to see the numbers on how many times the Cowboys have been the highest scoring losing team in the past 3 years.
 
2013-12-16 05:03:16 PM

mikaloyd: Bunny Deville: And to my Fark Football Friends... that ignore button exists for a reason.

Word.


Indeed. Trouble is, there are so many awesome fark NFL posters, it feels like I'm diminishing the thread by ignoring any of them. There's a couple I've been tempted by, but even they tend to have good takes.

Plus Di's GRAF, robsul's Jake, Trey's trivia are Tuesday highlights, even of they are fans of teams I dislike/hate.
 
2013-12-16 05:05:36 PM

Treygreen13: xaks: When scoring 35+ points, 31 teams that aren't Dallas are 51-2 this year, I heard.

Dallas, when scoring 35+....is 1-2.

Would love to see the numbers on how many times the Cowboys have been the highest scoring losing team in the past 3 years.


That would be an interesting statistic.  Along the same lines, I would like to see similar stats on how often they lead going into both the 3rd and 4th quarter yet still lose, compared with the norm in the league.
 
2013-12-16 05:07:20 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: The NFC East should give their playoff spot to the Cardinals.

/ cowboy fan


Entirely agreed.

/Redskins fan
//LMAO at Jackson blowing Josh Wilson up.
 
2013-12-16 05:07:44 PM

RyansPrivates: Treygreen13: xaks: When scoring 35+ points, 31 teams that aren't Dallas are 51-2 this year, I heard.

Dallas, when scoring 35+....is 1-2.

Would love to see the numbers on how many times the Cowboys have been the highest scoring losing team in the past 3 years.

That would be an interesting statistic.  Along the same lines, I would like to see similar stats on how often they lead going into both the 3rd and 4th quarter yet still lose, compared with the norm in the league.


Actually, the Cowboys (in spite of the abysmal defense) still win about half their games. Their number probably wouldn't be the highest, and they'd probably have a few weeks where last year the Saints D was literally the worst defense to ever play so they allowed a ton of points but still scored a lot.
 
2013-12-16 05:08:39 PM
I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.
 
2013-12-16 05:16:31 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.


The North is as good as Aaron Rodger's health.

The East would need fixing up to become a dumpster fire.

At least in the NFC.
 
2013-12-16 05:21:21 PM

LucklessWonder: Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.

The North is as good as Aaron Rodger's health.

The East would need fixing up to become a dumpster fire.

At least in the NFC.


The AFC South is the real dumpster fire of the NFL.
 
2013-12-16 05:23:04 PM

Treygreen13: LucklessWonder: Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.

The North is as good as Aaron Rodger's health.

The East would need fixing up to become a dumpster fire.

At least in the NFC.

The AFC South is the real dumpster fire of the NFL.


It's dueling dumpster fires.
 
2013-12-16 05:27:02 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Treygreen13: LucklessWonder: Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.

The North is as good as Aaron Rodger's health.

The East would need fixing up to become a dumpster fire.

At least in the NFC.

The AFC South is the real dumpster fire of the NFL.

It's dueling dumpster fires.


BOAW NAO NAO NAO NAO NAO NAO NAO NAAAAAAAA
 
2013-12-16 05:33:55 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-16 05:44:07 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.


Remember 4 or 5 weeks into the season, when it was all about how amazingly strong the division was?  Now the goddamn Lions are the only ones with a team left.

Unrelated - whatever happened with Freeman?  I know he was 'concussed' in his first outing - are they going to try to train him up for next year?
 
2013-12-16 05:45:29 PM

xaks: Here's the part that grinds my gears.

In the offseason, the owner and coach publicly gave him a 100M contract and an expectation to try and be Peyton 2.0.

He went up to the line, saw 9 or 10 men in the box against the power run, and did PRECISELY what Manning the elder would want to do, and that's read the D and change the play to something else.

Of course, Manning the Elder would have known to eat the run anyhow, because eating clock was even more important than moving chains. BUT< you take what you can get. You wanted Romo to read the D and change the play like Manning? There you go.

It isn't that he read the D and changed the play from a run per se. If he'd have changed it to a DIFFERENT run, or a different pass that wasn't an INT, we wouldn't be talking about this.

But he tried to be Peyton 2.0 and failed pretty much as hardcore as he could possibly fail.

How's that 108M sound now, Jurrah?

Romo isn't the problem. The GM and Coaching staff are.


True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is. I doubt he's thinking "well they've stacked the box, but it's better to kill 40 seconds and hope the defense holds", more like "goddammit those worthless MFers won't stop shiat if we don't run out the clock, and we gotta move the chains to do that..."

Point being, that defense isn't ever gonna step up and make the big play, so if he doesn't do it they're as good as dead anyway.
 
2013-12-16 05:55:42 PM

YoungLochinvar: Point being, that defense isn't ever gonna step up and make the big play, so if he doesn't do it they're as good as dead anyway.


I hit on that a little last year when he and Drew Brees were tied for picks. Every time Tony Romo goes up to the line with the game in flux, he's presented with two options:

1. Play it safe, lose because the defense allows 40, get blamed anyway.
2. Take a risk, maybe win (and get no credit) or lose (and get blamed)

We saw it in the Denver game early this year. The Cowboys defense is getting absolutely gashed all game and Tony knows if they don't convert Peyton Manning is going to get the ball and march down and kick a FG and win. So he goes to throw, gets stepped on in mid-pass, and throws an INT and they lose. And everyone screams "NOT CLUTCH" on the way to the locker room in spite of the fact that if he throws it away or calls a run they lose anyway.

The same in the Bears game this year, they're trying to convert a 4th down. A free rusher comes right through the line the second the ball is snapped and he throws the ball into the ground. And the jeers begin, "LOL YOU THREW IT AWAY ON 4TH DOWN YOU SCRUB" and they lose a game in which the other team never punted.
 
2013-12-16 05:59:37 PM
The butthurt is strong this Monday.


It reminded me to enjoy what little is left of the season
 
2013-12-16 06:09:51 PM

YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.


Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.
 
2013-12-16 06:11:36 PM

robsul82: YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.

Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.


IIRC they had to average about 500 yards per game to get there. They allowed 433 this week, so they're a little behind.
 
2013-12-16 06:14:32 PM

Treygreen13: robsul82: YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.

Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.

IIRC they had to average about 500 yards per game to get there. They allowed 433 this week, so they're a little behind.


Goddamn it.  I guess I've blocked out how bad the first bunch of games actually were, because I seem to remember the defense getting better - not anywhere near great, or good, or even mediocre - but not an outright dumpster fire toward the end of the season, whereas this year's Dallas defense just seems to get worse.
 
2013-12-16 06:19:30 PM

robsul82: Treygreen13: robsul82: YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.

Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.

IIRC they had to average about 500 yards per game to get there. They allowed 433 this week, so they're a little behind.

Goddamn it.  I guess I've blocked out how bad the first bunch of games actually were, because I seem to remember the defense getting better - not anywhere near great, or good, or even mediocre - but not an outright dumpster fire toward the end of the season, whereas this year's Dallas defense just seems to get worse.


The Saints D last year gave up 28.3 ppg and 440 ypg. The Cowboys are at 27.5 ppg and 427.3 ypg.

Oddly enough, those teams didn't (and don't in the case of the current season) lead the league in ppg allowed. The Titans allowed more PPG last year and the current worst defense in terms of PPG is the Redskins.
 
2013-12-16 06:30:39 PM

Treygreen13: robsul82: Treygreen13: robsul82: YoungLochinvar: True, but you've gotta think that he knows how awful his D is.

Are they on pace to break the 2012 Saints record yet or what.

IIRC they had to average about 500 yards per game to get there. They allowed 433 this week, so they're a little behind.

Goddamn it.  I guess I've blocked out how bad the first bunch of games actually were, because I seem to remember the defense getting better - not anywhere near great, or good, or even mediocre - but not an outright dumpster fire toward the end of the season, whereas this year's Dallas defense just seems to get worse.

The Saints D last year gave up 28.3 ppg and 440 ypg. The Cowboys are at 27.5 ppg and 427.3 ypg.

Oddly enough, those teams didn't (and don't in the case of the current season) lead the league in ppg allowed. The Titans allowed more PPG last year and the current worst defense in terms of PPG is the Redskins.


It's the turnover margins that keeps Dallas from being dead last in PPG

Dallas is +11 while the Skins are -8
Last year NO was +2 and Tenn was -4

Or the other way to look at is the other team can't rack up a ton of yards when they start inside field goal range
 
2013-12-16 06:37:40 PM

ShadowKamui: It's the turnover margins that keeps Dallas from being dead last in PPG

Dallas is +11 while the Skins are -8
Last year NO was +2 and Tenn was -4

Or the other way to look at is the other team can't rack up a ton of yards when they start inside field goal range


Indeed. Actually the pick-6 (or a fumble returned for a TD or a special teams TD) would be the biggest things to swing that the other way. Tony hasn't thrown a pick-6 this year.
 
2013-12-16 06:55:39 PM
Also, keep in mind the turnover margin on Green Bay's horribad defense. A couple years back they weren't much better than now except for that....they were WAY ahead of the rest of the league in takeaways. They won the Super Bowl.

Since then they've gotten hella worse at turnovers each year, and it shows. They're one of the worst defenses in the league now with much the same personnel.

Capers needs to go. Badly.
 
2013-12-16 07:15:17 PM

SlothB77: The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.


To be fair, the butt fumble was also ten times funnier (and gif worthy)

/Jets fan
 
2013-12-16 07:29:36 PM

Night Night Cream Puff: SlothB77: The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.

To be fair, the butt fumble was also ten times funnier (and gif worthy)

/Jets fan


The butt fumble looked like a 3 stooges sketch.  The holder on the face fumble looked like he was not expecting it, because he turned his head to be caught in the face like some sort of oversized cream pie.
 
2013-12-16 09:44:01 PM
That was an enourmous wall of text, Trey
 
2013-12-16 09:44:41 PM

harleyquinnical: Night Night Cream Puff: SlothB77: The ragging on the Jets last year after butt fumble was ten x worse than the piling on the Steelers and Cowboys this year.  every team gets ragged on at some point.

Look at the Jaguars earlier this year.  Or the Dolphins.  Or the Redskins.  Or the Buccaneers.

To be fair, the butt fumble was also ten times funnier (and gif worthy)

/Jets fan

The butt fumble looked like a 3 stooges sketch.  The holder on the face fumble looked like he was not expecting it, because he turned his head to be caught in the face like some sort of oversized cream pie.


It was art
 
2013-12-17 10:09:48 AM

Jster422: Jim from Saint Paul: I just like how no one has noticed how bad the North is this year.

'Cause DAMN.

Remember 4 or 5 weeks into the season, when it was all about how amazingly strong the division was?  Now the goddamn Lions are the only ones with a team left.

Unrelated - whatever happened with Freeman?  I know he was 'concussed' in his first outing - are they going to try to train him up for next year?


Your guess is as good as mine.

I would assume he was so awful in practice that they would prefer to not even give him another shot. I remember Bleacher Report had this really long and detailed article showing how awful all his fundementals were. Our coaches have proven they can teach nobody anything (seeing as how no one has improved their play in the last 3 years here), so since they aren;t seeing progress they want to avoid throwing him back out there.

At the end of the day, Fraizer is going to try anything to keep his job. It won;t work and he probably knows it... yet he is working for his livelyhood and you can;t expect that he would sabotage his own paycheck on purpose.
 
2013-12-17 10:30:01 AM

rickythepenguin: when's the last time you saw the Cardinals on Monday Night Football?


4.bp.blogspot.com
??
 
2013-12-17 07:48:57 PM

Khellendros: Carousel Beast: You're overlooking the fact that baseball players tend to maintain their level of play longer than do football players because there's far less physical contact. Past performance a predictor of future results? Really?? The running back and cornerback positions in particular would love to have a word with you, not to mention the variance by scheme, minor injuries, etc.

There may be some value to the statistics, but they are not, will not, and can never be as accurate between baseball and football.

You're comparing player perspective to a game perspective, which isn't correct at all.  Situationally, games in similar states don't "age".  They are what they are - score, yards, etc.  Yes, single players age, so that they decline . However, 50 historical games in the last 15 years that were 45 -10 at the half aren't any different than a current game at 45 - 3 at the half.  The same percentage chance to win will apply.  The historical performance of those games is the best predictor of how those games will play out in the current.

And those statistics have been played out and proven, year after year.  They are nearly as accurate (from a game perspective) as baseball.


Ah, thank you. That is an excellent way to put it, and yes, I was looking at it from the wrong perspective.


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