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2013-12-16 08:58:31 AM
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-12-16 09:00:36 AM
Why even argue for him at this point? What do you possibly gain from it?
 
2013-12-16 09:09:00 AM
Wait... page views is the answer to my question.
 
2013-12-16 09:19:58 AM
Really, this got greened? Di, you deserve so much better.
 
2013-12-16 09:21:29 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: Why even argue for him at this point? What do you possibly gain from it?


CBS Sports will come up with a QBRomo to compete with ESPN's QBR.  While ESPNs QBR favors a bad defense forcing a QB to win it in the 4th quarter, the QBRomo will favor scoring a lot of points in a loss and any 4th quarter turnovers are irrelevant.
 
2013-12-16 09:23:08 AM
Blame whoever you want, there's plenty for everybody. As a Cowboys fan, I hate the fact that next year we'll have a new HC and O coordinator and possibly another new D coordinator trying a new and better scheme with the same mediocre group of players. Meh
 
2013-12-16 09:23:17 AM
I'm no Romo fan but the article does make some good points.
 
2013-12-16 09:25:06 AM
ESh*tPN has 5 Cowboys stories on it's front panel.  C'mon FARK, we can get more Cowboys choke stories greenlit.

We need more JEST stories too.

Let's NOT talk about how the SheCawks don't have to leave Seattle until February (provided they win 1 of the 2 remaining home games where they are undefeated).  It's a good thing the Superb Owl isn't played in Seattle.
 
2013-12-16 09:30:25 AM
Two Tony Romo threads and not one for Best Manning?

Give a little bit of love to the probable Jake winner.
 
2013-12-16 09:36:07 AM
If Tony Romo simply squares up and properly sets his feet on that first 4th Qt pic he then leads his reciever instead of thrown at his back shoulder. Receiver had the the defender beat and there was ZERO coverage uptop, TD with no question.

But Favre Romo is Romo.

Certainly he wasn;t the ONLY problem. Having 9 out of 11 mediocre to bad defenesive players AND a shiatty scheme when you are winning is a part of it (I have watched it all year with the Vikings) and NOT running the ball over and over again with Murray (I mean my god he's healthy when it matters for once and you aren;t using him?!) are just as important.

Still, Romo shipped the bed twice. He is the head bed shipper on an organization full of bed shippers.
 
2013-12-16 09:39:26 AM

PluckYew: ESh*tPN has 5 Cowboys stories on it's front panel.  C'mon FARK, we can get more Cowboys choke stories greenlit.

We need more JEST stories too.

Let's NOT talk about how the SheCawks don't have to leave Seattle until February (provided they win 1 of the 2 remaining home games where they are undefeated).  It's a good thing the Superb Owl isn't played in Seattle.


www.quickmeme.com
 
2013-12-16 09:41:16 AM
I heard tales of a Romo collapse, but if they ran a balanced offense in the first half, doing well running the ball, why on earth did they get away from that?  Such incompetence cannot fall solely on the QB.  I have seen so many games lost in the last two years by teams with strong run games getting off balance and going for passes rather than what they do well.

Dallas fans deserve better.  Sorry to hear about the loss.
 
2013-12-16 09:44:36 AM

CipollinaFan: Two Tony Romo threads and not one for Best Manning?

Give a little bit of love to the probable Jake winner.


So how do the tiebreaker procedures for the Jake work?  Both Eil and McGloin have 5 turnovers.  Does McGloin get any special bonus for having his replacement throw a pick as well?
 
2013-12-16 09:47:54 AM
Meanwhile in Philly, they stopped pissing on Santa Claus to stare in amazement and cheer on the train wreck that is dallas
 
2013-12-16 09:48:52 AM
Garrett was saying the 2nd and 6 INT Austin was [called a] run, [Romo] audible [to pass], which I buy given the zone blocking that left 52 unblocked. When up 36-31.

hahaha
 
2013-12-16 09:51:47 AM
"According to Advanced NFL Stats, the Cowboys had a 96 percent win probability. At halftime."


I admit I'm not a football guy, or a statisticals guy, and this is the first time I've looked at one of those probability-of-winning graphs so there's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about. But, given that there's a hell of a lot of game still to be played at halftime, how could any formula that's worth a damn possibly give a 96 percent probability of any outcome at that point? Nate Silver's Presidential election forecasts had a lot of "time premium" baked into his numbers; it seems like this 'Advanced NFL Stats' place doesn't have much (if any) of that. What gives?
 
2013-12-16 09:52:27 AM
As much as I love to see a Dallas beatdown (mostly from the way the media gives them the royalty treatment with premiere games no matter how bad they are), I just don't get the play-calling. All Romo aside...

You're up 26-3. You know you have a crummy defense, bad to almost historic levels. Your running back is posting an obscenely high ypr against your opponent. How does any coach put that data together and say, "Hey, you know what? I want my defense on the field as much as possible! My running back really could use some rest. Now's the perfect chance to start slinging the ball all over the field!"
 
2013-12-16 09:54:13 AM
Offense scored 36 points.  Defense couldn't stop a single drive in the second half.  Yes, Romo screwed the pooch throwing two INTs late in the game, but he's the minor villain of this stage play.

Focusing on him ignores the real problems on this team - terrible conditioning, no depth due to incompetent drafting, and epically terrible clock management from the coaching staff.
 
2013-12-16 09:56:39 AM

phaseolus: "According to Advanced NFL Stats, the Cowboys had a 96 percent win probability. At halftime."


I admit I'm not a football guy, or a statisticals guy, and this is the first time I've looked at one of those probability-of-winning graphs so there's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about. But, given that there's a hell of a lot of game still to be played at halftime, how could any formula that's worth a damn possibly give a 96 percent probability of any outcome at that point? Nate Silver's Presidential election forecasts had a lot of "time premium" baked into his numbers; it seems like this 'Advanced NFL Stats' place doesn't have much (if any) of that. What gives?


The probabilities are just a fancy way of restating the margin of victory at any given point in time. They are useless bullshiat
 
2013-12-16 09:57:04 AM

johnny_vegas: Meanwhile in Philly, they stopped pissing on Santa Claus to stare in amazement and cheer on the train wreck that is dallas


And while they did that, Matt Cassel passed for two more touchdowns.
 
2013-12-16 09:57:25 AM

PluckYew: shiattons of bad team pun names


Wow.  That post is almost worth an immediate ignore. I see more originality and humor on the Politics Tab.

Evey opinion you have is now invalid after that post. Yeesh.
 
2013-12-16 10:00:47 AM
So the 2013 December edition of:   Tony Romo White KnightingTM is:

"The Repeated Bad Play Calling in the 2nd Half Made Tony Romo float that horrible pass throw off his back foot and with an open stance"

Duly noted.
 
2013-12-16 10:10:40 AM

phaseolus: I admit I'm not a football guy, or a statisticals guy, and this is the first time I've looked at one of those probability-of-winning graphs so there's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about. But, given that there's a hell of a lot of game still to be played at halftime, how could any formula that's worth a damn possibly give a 96 percent probability of any outcome at that point? Nate Silver's Presidential election forecasts had a lot of "time premium" baked into his numbers; it seems like this 'Advanced NFL Stats' place doesn't have much (if any) of that. What gives?


Lost Thought 00: The probabilities are just a fancy way of restating the margin of victory at any given point in time. They are useless bullshiat


They're not useless at all.  The best predictor of future success is historical performance.  If you look at all historical games of similar state at halftime, the chances of victory for the current game is very likely to be similar to the historical performance of similar games.  If 96% of games in a similar state to this (at halftime) ended up with a victory for the leading team, it's very reasonable to conclude a 96% chance of victory.  Now, one can quibble with what qualifies as a similar situation, such as whether it's just based on score, or if they include factors like home field advantage, weather conditions, total yards, time of possession, team record, etc, and whether those make a better statistical model.  But it's still a valid principle.

Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning.  The models are amazingly accurate.
 
2013-12-16 10:14:10 AM
That's come classic Norv Truner play calling

up by 21... Fark it... where unleashing the Dragon and going deep every play.
 
2013-12-16 10:17:20 AM
 
2013-12-16 10:19:33 AM
Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.
 
2013-12-16 10:19:49 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: PluckYew: ESh*tPN has 5 Cowboys stories on it's front panel.  C'mon FARK, we can get more Cowboys choke stories greenlit.

We need more JEST stories too.

Let's NOT talk about how the SheCawks don't have to leave Seattle until February (provided they win 1 of the 2 remaining home games where they are undefeated).  It's a good thing the Superb Owl isn't played in Seattle.

[www.quickmeme.com image 625x416]


choualbox.com
 
2013-12-16 10:24:00 AM
Khellendros:

Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning.  The models are amazingly accurate.

Baseball's are way better, just purely based on the number of historical MLB games played compared to NFL games played.

Plus, baseball tends to that type of statistical analysis better.
 
2013-12-16 10:29:42 AM

the_cnidarian: Blame whoever you want, there's plenty for everybody. As a Cowboys fan, I hate the fact that next year we'll have a new HC and O coordinator and possibly another new D coordinator trying a new and better scheme with the same mediocre group of players. Meh


Could be worse - you could be a Redskins fan.

/ We are hurting here.
// Need to draft new owner
/// So do you guys, for that matter
 
2013-12-16 10:30:01 AM
So, where's the thread where we discuss how Roger Goodell is totes cool with dirty hits that injury if they're hitting punters whose jerseys don't even sell anyway?
 
2013-12-16 10:30:15 AM
Whatever narrative you chose to adopt it was still amazing to watch happen, especially considering the fact that a big chunk of the viewers expected Romo to blow it and he delivered. Now how Romo got put into that situation to serve up some more glorious 4th quarter fail is pretty obvious but still, when you're sitting around with your friends and everyone is talking about how Romo is going to throw a second pick to seal the game and then he does, well it's damn fun to watch and a cause for celebration.

Who cares if Dallas' D sucks or the play calling was awful, it's all true, watching Romo fail yet again in a huge game and then admiring the blowback is way more fun, it's like a circus and Romo is the high quality clown getting all the attention. Does he deserve it all? Hell no, maybe people should be paying more attention to the toothless lion that is the Dallas defense but they're not, he's getting all the attention anyway and he deserves some of it, so tough shiat Romo, go cry on your bed of money with some insanely hot chick.
 
2013-12-16 10:30:56 AM
Tony Romo had a lousy second half and did nothing to combat the media narrative they constructed for him, but talking about that ignores the sucking chest wound.  Jerry ran off Rob Ryan and hired Monte Kiffin, who has now demonstrated for everyone to see that he's a decade behind the curve. Meanwhile, Ryan is tearing up the league in New Orleans under another former Cowboys coordinator.  You'll hear three times as much about Romo today as you will about just how idiotic of a move Jones has made, and it continually pisses me off how players and coaches get raked over the coals while companies like ESPN walk on eggshells around the owners.
 
2013-12-16 10:32:11 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.


It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.
 
2013-12-16 10:33:05 AM
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2013-12-16 10:37:16 AM

Prey4reign: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.

It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.


I'm no Cowboy fan, so if you're trying to troll me you can move on.
 
2013-12-16 10:38:06 AM

bacongood: Khellendros:

Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning.  The models are amazingly accurate.

Baseball's are way better, just purely based on the number of historical MLB games played compared to NFL games played.

Plus, baseball tends to that type of statistical analysis better.


Absolutely.  Larger sample set gives you better outputs. However, since these models got serious in the early 2000's for the NFL, the winning percentages have been accurate to within a few percentage points for nearly every situational state from halftime forward.  They get a little fuzzy when you try to apply them before that, and of course they get tighter as you push later in the game.
 
2013-12-16 10:41:17 AM

Khellendros: Baseball does it all the time, calculating plate appearances, probability of situational scoring, and chance of winning. The models are amazingly accurate.


If they were amazingly accurate they wouldn't swing wildly during the course of a game.
 
2013-12-16 10:41:27 AM

akuma976: [i.imgur.com image 850x470]


As best as I can tell from the graph, the Packers had a 3% chance of winning with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter.  So, Romo gave up 97% points in 3 minutes. That equates to a FAIL rate of 32.333%/min inside 3 minutes.

Impressive.
 
2013-12-16 10:41:59 AM

UNC_Samurai: Tony Romo had a lousy second half and did nothing to combat the media narrative they constructed for him, but talking about that ignores the sucking chest wound.  Jerry ran off Rob Ryan and hired Monte Kiffin, who has now demonstrated for everyone to see that he's a decade behind the curve. Meanwhile, Ryan is tearing up the league in New Orleans under another former Cowboys coordinator.  You'll hear three times as much about Romo today as you will about just how idiotic of a move Jones has made, and it continually pisses me off how players and coaches get raked over the coals while companies like ESPN walk on eggshells around the owners.


Well, obviously it's never the fault of the owners and GMs for how shiatty a team is.  Jerry is a farking genius.  If the coaches and players were any better, teams would win more games.  Kiffin must be a good defensive coordinator because I've heard of him.  When the Cowboys lose, it's ALWAYS Romo's fault.  If he was better, he would put more points on the scoreboard.

Sarcasm aside, ESPN is owned by Disney, so they can construct whatever fairy tale they want at any given time.  Any good fairy tale needs a villain.
 
2013-12-16 10:42:50 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.


it crosses the line, and if she reports the thread, it'll get shut down.
 
2013-12-16 10:43:37 AM

EyeballKid: So, where's the thread where we discuss how Roger Goodell is totes cool with dirty hits that injury if they're hitting punters whose jerseys don't even sell anyway?


If you cry hard enough it will come true. Just squeeze out some more tears and wish hard.
 
2013-12-16 10:43:49 AM
Funny thing is, as bad as the division is, Dallas still has a legitimate shot at being eliminated in the first round of the playoffs.
 
2013-12-16 10:43:51 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: PluckYew: shiattons of bad team pun names

Wow.  That post is almost worth an immediate ignore. I see more originality and humor on the Politics Tab.

Evey opinion you have is now invalid after that post. Yeesh.


NOCGFY
 
2013-12-16 10:45:18 AM
Yes they have a bad D, yes its mind boggling that they weren't running the ball, but, those were 2 bad balls Romo threw, IMO. Thats nobody's fault but his. On the 2nd pick, he never sets up. He just fires the ball in a panic. Had he set his feet, and taken half a second, he probably doesn't throw a pick.
 
2013-12-16 10:46:38 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.


Yeah. I agree. It was probably meant in fun, but it's a bit pointed.
 
2013-12-16 10:47:32 AM

Cletus C.: Funny thing is, as bad as the division is, Dallas still has a legitimate shot at being eliminated in the first round of the playoffs.


Well, since Chip may continue to have Henery squibb kick to Devon Hester, this is a distinct possibility.

And Skins vs. Cowboys next week - does anyone want to win that game?  The 4th quarter is going to be so full of choke they'll need a legion of medics ready to perform the Heimlich on the sidelines.
 
2013-12-16 10:47:33 AM

PluckYew: NOCGFY


BECAUSE MOSGINISM IS HILARIOUS! HAHAHA.
 
2013-12-16 10:47:43 AM

iron_city_ap: Yes they have a bad D, yes its mind boggling that they weren't running the ball, but, those were 2 bad balls Romo threw, IMO. Thats nobody's fault but his. On the 2nd pick, he never sets up. He just fires the ball in a panic. Had he set his feet, and taken half a second, he probably doesn't throw a pick.


From what I saw of the replay, waiting any longer results in a sack for Romo and that just won't do in today's NFL.
 
2013-12-16 10:48:09 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Really, this got greened? Di, you deserve so much better.


Awww, thanks, honey. It's not really a problem for me unless it's ugly. Kind of comes with the territory of being a loudmouth, I guess. And subby's right. I could've very well written that article. It doesn't excuse what Romo did, but it points out that there is PLENTY of blame to go around.

That being said, I don't really have a lot of time to fark around on fark today. So you kids have fun. Just be cool & bring facts instead of your SportsCenter narratives.

antidisestablishmentarianism: [i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]


Accurate.
 
2013-12-16 10:49:25 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Prey4reign: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Who approved that headline? It's about as close to calling someone out in a headline as you can get without directly mentioning them by name. I think it crosses the line.

It is a bit trolltastic.  It's just not fair ... not fair that her poor widdle baby Romo done gone and done a dumbass thing.  Not to worry, by this time next year, the Cowgirls will have a new head coach and assistant coaches to blame everything on so Romo doesn't have to look so pathetic.

I'm no Cowboy fan, so if you're trying to troll me you can move on.


I know you were complaining about the headline but it was at least funny because, hey, I lol'd.  No need to White Knight the Tony Romo apologist as she's demonstrated time and again, 1). she's strong enough to take it, and 2). she generally knows of what she talks (with the exception of going a bit overboard in her defense of Romo and the Cowgirls).

The main point here really is that, once again Jason Garrett has failed in a massive way of moving the team he coaches beyond a .500 record since he took over and Tony Romo failed in the most obvious way by continuing to make dumb decisions at the absolute worst time.
 
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