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2013-12-16 09:43:49 AM
in before QUIT FATSHAMING ME! WE ALL KNOW EXERCISE DOESN'T WORK!
 
2013-12-16 09:50:20 AM

machoprogrammer: in before QUIT FATSHAMING KIDNEY STONESHAMING ME! WE ALL KNOW EXERCISE DOESN'T WORK!


FTFY
 
2013-12-16 09:56:20 AM
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Pass them, Dr. Jones!

They will be found!

You won't!
 
2013-12-16 09:59:13 AM
I had a kidney stone once... once. You think it's bad having a rock in your shoe...
 
2013-12-16 10:12:23 AM

Buckaroo Beeblebrox: I had a kidney stone once... once. You think it's bad having a rock in your shoe...


+1  It hurt as bad as when my appendix ruptured (same farking year), but the pain went on for an hour or so, until the Dilaudid was administered (amazing freaking drug -- AMAZINGLY effective).

After RTFA: 30% lower chance wasn't enough of a reduction for me to avoid it. I'm a fit bike racer. I'm pretty sure my stone was caused by daily temporary dehydration. I train at lunch in Austin, so many months of the year, it's quite hot out during my rides. I would drink ~55 oz of water on the ride, then come back, shower, and hit the work with some intensity. I wasn't really re-hydrating until dinnertime.

Well, I've corrected the hell out of that. Dr. told me I need to pee 2L/day, so I'm pretty busy with water.
 
2013-12-16 10:15:18 AM

Buckaroo Beeblebrox: I had a kidney stone once... once. You think it's bad having a rock in your shoe...


During my episode (multiple stones 1 week after a vasectomy) I was in so much pain that I would have happily blown myself up if I had been handed a suicide vest.
 
2013-12-16 10:17:17 AM

waterrockets: Well, I've corrected the hell out of that. Dr. told me I need to pee 2L/day, so I'm pretty busy with water.


See, this is the bigger problem. I drink a lot of water already (diabeetus) but 2L a day feels like they want me to be continually drinking and pissing 24/7. I can't attach a urinal to my pants.

/or can I?
 
2013-12-16 10:21:50 AM
Please exercise your asses away from me, thanks.
 
2013-12-16 10:35:48 AM
Yeah, but I mean, exercise is hard and stuff...
 
2013-12-16 10:56:59 AM
If they don't, they will.
 
2013-12-16 10:58:30 AM

Somacandra: waterrockets: Well, I've corrected the hell out of that. Dr. told me I need to pee 2L/day, so I'm pretty busy with water.

See, this is the bigger problem. I drink a lot of water already (diabeetus) but 2L a day feels like they want me to be continually drinking and pissing 24/7. I can't attach a urinal to my pants.

/or can I?


It's a pain for sure. I stop drinking water about 9pm. Get to sleep around midnight, and still have to get up at 3 or 4. I try to hit my quota during the day. I have to pace it in the mornings too though, because I'm still hitting the lunchtime bike rides, and I don't have time to find a pit stop on those rides (usually doing interval workouts with teammates). I'll drink one or two bottles on the bike, then two bottles in the shower room, then one at my desk.

Also: I never pass up a drinking fountain without drinking, even if I'm carrying a bottle.

That said, it's not as much pain as getting a stone out of the kidney and through the ureter.
 
2013-12-16 11:08:45 AM
Lemon juice.  Lots of lemon juice.

/had 1st stone in November
//never again
///i hope
 
2013-12-16 11:08:50 AM
Meh. I've been turning the lights on and off for years but I wouldn't really call it exercise.
 
2013-12-16 11:29:21 AM
I had a kidney stone about a year and a half ago. It wasnt that big so I passed it pretty easy, but damn the trip through my body hurt like a biatch. I was at work people thought I was dying from the amount I was sweating. I pretty much figured out what it was since my brother and sister had had them. I went to the hospital just to get checked out and they confirmed it. They wanted me to go in for test$$$. But good thing my brother is a damn fine nurse. He guessed it was the antiacid I was using a lot of and the calcium in it was the cause of the stone. I switched to a none calcium based antiacid, it seems to have worked.
 
2013-12-16 11:33:02 AM

Somacandra: waterrockets: Well, I've corrected the hell out of that. Dr. told me I need to pee 2L/day, so I'm pretty busy with water.

See, this is the bigger problem. I drink a lot of water already (diabeetus) but 2L a day feels like they want me to be continually drinking and pissing 24/7. I can't attach a urinal to my pants.

/or can I?


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2013-12-16 11:56:07 AM
Really, people won't exercise to keep themselves from weighing quite a few stones.
 
2013-12-16 12:14:34 PM
Exercise will help prevent or mitigate just about anything non-genetically pre-disposed (which includes aging related conditions). Use it or lose it is really a thing. If we wanted to make a list of all the maladies that exercise helps with, you may as well just start with a list of everything that has ever been recorded as afflicting humans and cross out maybe a few.

Unfortunately, when it comes to healthcare, most Americans are entirely focused on demanding that other people do things for them, instead of what they could be doing for themselves.
 
2013-12-16 12:21:39 PM
I've had many stones. I recently had surgery twice for them. The first time I had about 10 stones, 3 of them roughly 10mm in diameter. I passed one that was 7mm and when I brought it to my doctor he couldn't believe it. I did blood tests, 24hr urine tests, changed my diet, etc. Nothing has helped. My Dr basically told me he has no idea why I keep getting them. I think its time to find a new Dr.

I get them so often that it barely effects me anymore unless it's a really bad one. I just pop some ibuprofen and continue on about my day.
 
2013-12-16 12:30:01 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Exercise will help prevent or mitigate just about anything non-genetically pre-disposed (which includes aging related conditions). Use it or lose it is really a thing. If we wanted to make a list of all the maladies that exercise helps with, you may as well just start with a list of everything that has ever been recorded as afflicting humans and cross out maybe a few.

Unfortunately, when it comes to healthcare, most Americans are entirely focused on demanding that other people do things for them, instead of what they could be doing for themselves.


They have changed the rules, but in previous years funds in FSA could be used for sunburn treatment, but not sunscreen (Fortunately that seems to have been remedied with rule changes).

Previously you could buy weight loss pills with money in your FSA, but not pay for your gym membership with those same funds (you can do neither now).

Additionally, 2011 changes in FSA spending policy has further limited covered OTC medications and required that more people go to their doctors for prescriptions. The IRS made sure that Doctors get their cut.

Those examples seem like a pretty succinct encapsulation of current health care policy.
 
2013-12-16 12:36:28 PM
Never had a stone and I count my blessings for that.  Just came in to say I know people who do get stones; subby is dead wrong here.  Tell someone who's passed a stone that they can be prevented with exercise and they'll run daily marathons to avoid that pain.
 
2013-12-16 12:50:41 PM
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/light exercise
 
2013-12-16 12:57:18 PM
Supposedly kidney stones are the most painful thing you can possible endure. Women who have given birth without medication that have had stones have even said they would gladly give birth another 50 times before going through one more kidney stone
 
2013-12-16 01:14:03 PM

Marshmallow Jones: Lemon juice.  Lots of lemon juice.

/had 1st stone in November
//never again
///i hope


I use to know a fellow who had kidney stones twice and he still won't stop drinking  mountain dew.

/ I guess he enjoys the pain.
 
2013-12-16 01:17:30 PM

Marshmallow Jones: Lemon juice.  Lots of lemon juice.

/had 1st stone in November
//never again
///i hope


Old wives tale says they come in threes....

/has had two so far
//my father/and both grandfathers, have had three
///it's a genetic thing as far as I am concerned.
 
2013-12-16 01:19:02 PM

Burr: Marshmallow Jones: Lemon juice.  Lots of lemon juice.

/had 1st stone in November
//never again
///i hope

Old wives tale says they come in threes....

/has had two so far
//my father/and both grandfathers, have had three
///it's a genetic thing as far as I am concerned.


Also, in relation to the article,  My father and his dad are both farmers, so they get plenty of exercise.  My maternal grandfather was a letter carrier for a small town, so he walked all the time.

/me...I could use some more exercise
 
2013-12-16 01:33:05 PM

firegoat: I've had many stones. I recently had surgery twice for them. The first time I had about 10 stones, 3 of them roughly 10mm in diameter. I passed one that was 7mm and when I brought it to my doctor he couldn't believe it. I did blood tests, 24hr urine tests, changed my diet, etc. Nothing has helped. My Dr basically told me he has no idea why I keep getting them. I think its time to find a new Dr.

I get them so often that it barely effects me anymore unless it's a really bad one. I just pop some ibuprofen and continue on about my day.


Do it.

My dad got 5 this year alone till he went to another Dr. only problem was the last one he had was too large to pass, so they had to go in and laser the thing to pieces. The remaining pieces were large enough to still cause pain when passing but were large enough for the Doc's to study and figure out wtf were causing them. After a very specific diet change, and some medicine, he hasn't has one since April.

My dad can't have chocolate, wheat, certain spices, nuts, too much sugar, or caffeine but that's a small price to pay without having to be hospitalized every other month.
 
2013-12-16 01:35:24 PM
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"I should have exercised more, you cocksuckers."
 
2013-12-16 01:39:49 PM

Moopy Mac: Previously you could buy weight loss pills with money in your FSA, but not pay for your gym membership with those same funds (you can do neither now).


You can use FSA (or at least I can) for gym membership.  The rule change was with regard to pre-paying memberships, you cannot get reimbursed until after you actually go to the gym.  So if you pay $180 for a six month membership starting Jan. 1 that you pay on Dec. 15, you cannot get the money this year.  You can get $30 in Feb for the month of Jan (or wait until then the end and submit all at once).  This is to stop people from signing up, getting reimbursed, dropping the membership, profit.

I would like to see more flexibility for things like sporting equipment or league/event fees, but I see why they are not really covered.
 
2013-12-16 01:47:26 PM
But too much exercise (or, screwing up your nutrition while exercising a lot) will cause kidney stones.  Best to just avoid them.
 
2013-12-16 01:49:23 PM
there are few things i would not do to avoid kidney stones.

i should be glad that gout was enough to get me off my ass... i should be... but it still sucks a lot too.
 
2013-12-16 01:51:35 PM

A Cave Geek: Somacandra: waterrockets: Well, I've corrected the hell out of that. Dr. told me I need to pee 2L/day, so I'm pretty busy with water.

See, this is the bigger problem. I drink a lot of water already (diabeetus) but 2L a day feels like they want me to be continually drinking and pissing 24/7. I can't attach a urinal to my pants.

/or can I?

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Plus, you'll be a hit at all the fetish clubs.

Anyway, had one kidney stone in my life and that's one too many.  It did at least let me know that my pain threshold is a bit miscalibrated: when asked what my pain level was at, I said 7.  Apparently that was not the correct answer given what I was going through, what with the uncontrollable crying.  Manly tears though, I assure you.

Let me tell you though, I am realllllll good about not indulging in any of the things that might increase my chances of having another stone.  The minute my urologist listed what the risk enhancers were I damn near tattooed those things on my brain.  I haven't had a single Gatorade, Tums, or spoonful of powdered chocolate milk mix since.  If exercising a bit every day will help keep the damn things away I will sure as hell do that too.
 
2013-12-16 01:54:54 PM
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2013-12-16 02:02:16 PM
I've had one kidney stone and I'd do pretty much anything not to experience that again. It even happened the day after I got married, so I got to test the whole sickness portion of the vows right away.
 
2013-12-16 02:18:56 PM
I've had probably half a dozen in my life. For me, there doesn't seem to be a single cause. Docs have said "cut back on the dark sodas", so I drank nothing but water and Sprite for a year and still got one. My most recent one, I suspect, was from an overindulgence of cashews.

Oddly enough, out of all the ones I've had, the last one was the only one I actually felt pass and found. There's something slightly disconcerting about standing there peeing, feeling a rock pass through your junk, and then hearing a loud "clink" as it hits the toilet bowl.

/fished it out by hand, stuck it under the microscope for the wife & kid to see.
 
2013-12-16 02:20:04 PM

yukichigai: A Cave Geek: Somacandra: waterrockets: Well, I've corrected the hell out of that. Dr. told me I need to pee 2L/day, so I'm pretty busy with water.

See, this is the bigger problem. I drink a lot of water already (diabeetus) but 2L a day feels like they want me to be continually drinking and pissing 24/7. I can't attach a urinal to my pants.

/or can I?

[www.stadiumpal.com image 206x250]

Plus, you'll be a hit at all the fetish clubs.

Anyway, had one kidney stone in my life and that's one too many.  It did at least let me know that my pain threshold is a bit miscalibrated: when asked what my pain level was at, I said 7.  Apparently that was not the correct answer given what I was going through, what with the uncontrollable crying.  Manly tears though, I assure you.

Let me tell you though, I am realllllll good about not indulging in any of the things that might increase my chances of having another stone.  The minute my urologist listed what the risk enhancers were I damn near tattooed those things on my brain.  I haven't had a single Gatorade, Tums, or spoonful of powdered chocolate milk mix since.  If exercising a bit every day will help keep the damn things away I will sure as hell do that too.


Tums aren't the enemy.  The most common stone is calcium oxalate and the old school of thought was to stop consuming calcium.  WRONG.  Oxalate is the enemy.  When I was following my dipshiat urologist's advice and not consuming calcium I was getting a stone every two months.  Then I started looking into it and found that oxalate is the real enemy and 95% of my diet was on the medium to high oxalate list.  Green leafy veggies like spinach and kale, black pepper (I bombed things with it) and Guinness beer are all high.  When you intake large amounts of oxalate and no calcium the oxalate will bind with calcium in your kidneys and you get stones.  Take in calcium with oxalate-laden food and it binds in your gut instead.

Proper hydration is really the key to not getting stones.

If you get a stone, and trust me on this (look at my name ferchrisake), the worst thing you can do is curl up in a ball and stay still.  Get up, walk, run, jump up and down, anything.  The last couple of stones I've had only had 30 minutes of horror because I bounced around until it moved enough to stop blocking.  I was on a poker run and at one of the stops I stomped around a parking lot jumping off parking block for about 20 minutes.

The last one I had actually got STUCK halfway down my joystick (1/1/2013).  I chugged a full quart of water, slammed two beers, and waited 20 minutes to build up pressure.  That sumbiatch was so big I SAW it come out.  That was a first.

/YKSMV
 
2013-12-16 02:22:59 PM

Somacandra: Buckaroo Beeblebrox: I had a kidney stone once... once. You think it's bad having a rock in your shoe...

During my episode (multiple stones 1 week after a vasectomy) I was in so much pain that I would have happily blown myself up if I had been handed a suicide vest.


I passed a lovely 4mm brown crystal back in my mid-20s.  I'd gladly amputate a limb if it guaranteed no kidney stones ever again.
 
2013-12-16 02:43:03 PM
Really, just walk for one hour, twice a day.

That's all there is to it for reeeallly light exercise.

/Also, eat oatmeal from time to time
 
2013-12-16 03:03:23 PM

KidneyStone: The last one I had actually got STUCK halfway down my joystick (1/1/2013). I chugged a full quart of water, slammed two beers, and waited 20 minutes to build up pressure. That sumbiatch was so big I SAW it come out. That was a first.


I'd had a twinge low in my right side of varying intensity for couple of months at least.  Even stopped in to a hospital while on a business trip, but the overworked ER doctor said "I don't see anything (x-rays)..." at this point I'm putting my clothes back on, anxious to get away from that hell place.  As I'm headed to the door he continues, "the urine results look good, oh, wait, there's some blood..." but I wasn't really listening.  I'd been there about 5 hours already, it was about 1am and I needed to be back at work at 7am.

So the dull pain lingered some weeks more until one night at home (thankfully), the shiat hit the fan.  More accurately, the sharp little (~4mm) crystalline bastard decided to dig into my ureter with a vengeance. Somewhere between the bouts of crippling, mind paralyzing pain, I concluded that I must be passing a kidney stone (my first and, hopefully, last) and started guzzling water.  I spent that afternoon  and evening dividing my time between squirming on the couch and trips to the toilet.  At some point I fell asleep on the coach.  When I woke early in the morning, the pain was gone and I felt great, but I knew that this must have just been part one.

Sure enough, a week or so later I was driving home from another business trip and stopped at a McDonald's on the interstate to take a whiz.  Everything was going as normal but I was only about halfway relieved when "fliooopft," the stream stopped as the goddamned mineral cutting tool ran itself about halfway up to freedom and then parked.  I was sure now what was going on, so I headed to the counter and ordered the largest cup of water that I could.  Over the next two days, I sucked down so much water that I started sprouting gills.  I pissed into a cup every time, to be sure I'd catch that little knife-ball. I finally did get it, took at closeup picture of it, then promptly lost it before I could take it to a urologist.

I don't know if it's the same for most folks, but phase one (kidney to bladder) was the most nausea inducing pain I've every suffered, while phase two was merely painful and annoying.
 
2013-12-16 03:30:17 PM
Phase two for me (4mm) was nothing. I imagine their all different. Mine was fairly smooth and lumpy. Nothing jagged. I peed it into the screen and didn't know it had come out.

Phase one was as you described. Unbelievable, really. For comparison, my appendix ruptured, and I didn't know that's what had happened. I thought it was a cramp/muscle tear from puking from food poisoning. I sat on a ruptured appendix for 1.5 days, then went in and the Dr. was freaking at my white cell count from the horrible infection. My surgeon said that most of the people who don't come in for a ruptured appendix are competitive athletes who are conditioned to daily pain above most people. That's me as a bike racer.

So, appendix rupture: ouch, but sleep it off. Kidney stone leaving the kidney: stop everything, curl up in a ball and wish for death, then start puking from the pain.

No joke.
 
2013-12-16 03:32:25 PM

yukichigai: Anyway, had one kidney stone in my life and that's one too many.  It did at least let me know that my pain threshold is a bit miscalibrated: when asked what my pain level was at, I said 7.  Apparently that was not the correct answer given what I was going through, what with the uncontrollable crying.  Manly tears though, I assure you.


Heh- I said exactly the same thing to the triage nurse, in between vomiting so hard I burst blood vessels in my eye.  I told her I could imagine worse- after all it just kept getting worse.  I just never wanted to experience it

/Had an IV in me five minutes from walking in the ER door.  Anti-nausea meds 30 seconds later, Dilaudid a minute after that.  Slept the rest of the night
//Lynchburg General Hospital- you all rock.
 
2013-12-16 03:48:32 PM

waterrockets:  I imagine their all different.


I seriously farking typed that? wtf?
 
2013-12-16 07:02:22 PM
I've had several. First one was Christmas morning a few years back, the year my grandmother passed. I got a weight bench for Christmas that day, and the irony of it was not lost on my drug-fueled haze.

Whomever it was that said if you told someone that has had them before that light exercise can reduce your risk of it, we'd run marathons?

He wasn't f*cking kidding. That kinda pain is hellish.
 
2013-12-16 10:22:43 PM

waterrockets: Buckaroo Beeblebrox: I had a kidney stone once... once. You think it's bad having a rock in your shoe...

+1  It hurt as bad as when my appendix ruptured (same farking year), but the pain went on for an hour or so, until the Dilaudid was administered (amazing freaking drug -- AMAZINGLY effective).

After RTFA: 30% lower chance wasn't enough of a reduction for me to avoid it. I'm a fit bike racer. I'm pretty sure my stone was caused by daily temporary dehydration. I train at lunch in Austin, so many months of the year, it's quite hot out during my rides. I would drink ~55 oz of water on the ride, then come back, shower, and hit the work with some intensity. I wasn't really re-hydrating until dinnertime.

Well, I've corrected the hell out of that. Dr. told me I need to pee 2L/day, so I'm pretty busy with water.


My stone passing was about 20 years ago, never had one since [hey wood... What?   Knock, knock.], but my older brother who started doing serious daily exercise about that same time (distance running at first, now running and tennis), passed his most recent stone last month.  His first was about 5 years ago.  His latest bout was so intense and took so long that he wound up being referred to a different (better) urologist who discussed with him his exercise and hydration schedules.

My brother has always tried to drink a lot before and during exercise.  With his new regimen, he does that but concentrates more on post-hydration. His urologist had a chemical analysis done on the stones and prescribed lemon juice to go with the water before bed.
 
2013-12-16 10:28:48 PM
I exercise 90 mins x 5 per week - Ive just lost 100lbs in 12 months
 
2013-12-16 10:48:08 PM
I've had 12...

Last two were back to back in 24 hours.  THAT sucked.  Thought I was all done...the BAM!  Number 2...
 
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