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(The New York Times)   Doctor who spent 50 years convincing the world that ADHD is real now is flabbergasted that pharmaceutical companies turned it into their most profitable market ever   (nytimes.com) divider line 73
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2013-12-15 08:49:08 PM  
now recognized as having a real neurological problem.

Like most psychiatric conditions, A.D.H.D. has no definitive test, and most experts in the field agree that its symptoms are open to interpretation by patients, parents and doctors. The American Psychiatric Association, which receives significant financing from drug companies, has gradually loosened the official criteria for the disorder to include common childhood behavior like "makes careless mistakes" or "often has difficulty waiting his or her turn."


One of these things is not like the other.
 
2013-12-15 09:02:23 PM  
I read that as "Dr. Who..."

And I'm not even a nerd.
 
2013-12-15 09:49:49 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I read that as "Dr. Who..."

And I'm not even a nerd.


It still sorta makes sense that way.
 
2013-12-15 11:38:24 PM  

Nefarious: ecmoRandomNumbers: I read that as "Dr. Who..."

And I'm not even a nerd.

It still sorta makes sense that way.


The 50 years helps
 
2013-12-15 11:39:26 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Nefarious: ecmoRandomNumbers: I read that as "Dr. Who..."

And I'm not even a nerd.

It still sorta makes sense that way.

The 50 years helps


Ah. That's probably it.
 
2013-12-16 02:01:33 AM  
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2013-12-16 02:04:18 AM  
I thought that this would be relevant to my interests, so tried to read it. But got bored after a few lines.
 
2013-12-16 02:13:27 AM  
Well, Matt Smith certainly helped cement the fact that ADHD is real.
 
zez
2013-12-16 02:20:52 AM  
Before this all starts again.

I have two sons, one will sit and read a book and the other is jumping out of trees and running up and rolling down the hill in the yard all day.

One of my kids has ADHD and the other one doesn't.

Your answer is probably wrong
 
2013-12-16 02:22:43 AM  
Psychology is slowly replacing religion as the biggest fraud perpetrated on mankind.
 
2013-12-16 02:28:01 AM  

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MED-DI-KATE!!! MED-DI-KATE!!! MED-DI-KATE!!!!!

 
2013-12-16 02:52:23 AM  
Why is this on the Geek tab instead of the Business tab?

Yes, ADHD is real.  I also believe it's diagnosed incorrectly in many cases, thus leading many to believe it's made up.
 
2013-12-16 02:59:03 AM  

zez: Before this all starts again.

I have two sons, one will sit and read a book and the other is jumping out of trees and running up and rolling down the hill in the yard all day.

One of my kids has ADHD and the other one doesn't.

Your answer is probably wrong


Based upon your descriptions, I would tentatively assume that your book-reading son is afflicted with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. I would, however, prefer to have additional information before finalizing my prediction, such as knowing whether your book-reading son tends to read so intensely that he loses all sense of time while doing so.
 
2013-12-16 03:00:02 AM  

SpdrJay: Psychology is slowly replacing religion as the biggest fraud perpetrated on mankind.


You accidentally neglected to link to a website where we may find the nearest location offering E-meter readings.
 
2013-12-16 03:24:19 AM  
I'm having fun with this (not really).

When I go to a doc who specializes in autism, I'm autistic. When I go to a doc that specializes in ADD/ADHD, I have "a version of ADD that allows for hyperfocus." When I go to a doc that specializes in Aspergers, I'm an aspie.

/when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail
 
2013-12-16 03:56:14 AM  

Dimensio: SpdrJay: Psychology is slowly replacing religion as the biggest fraud perpetrated on mankind.

You accidentally neglected to link to a website where we may find the nearest location offering E-meter readings.


Nope....

Scientololololology is just more fraud.

Along with "spirituality " and other forms of repackaged religion. Fraud, wishful thinking, delusion, and a dash of self-agrandizement.

Psychology is not science. It's a poor relation in nice clothes, hoping to be allowed into the science party.
 
2013-12-16 04:07:08 AM  
Ya know, when I took child psych, a kid who couldn't sit still, had trouble paying attention, and had endless amounts of energy was diagnosed as normal. I figure most of the false positives are from parents doctor shopping looking for a way to make their kids more manageable. Cause kids have way too much energy that we aren't harnessing to lower our electric bills.
 
2013-12-16 04:10:02 AM  
Shire exec quoted FTA: "... I like to think we come at it from a higher order." There should be a drug for disingenuousness. It's easy to diagnose, and seems to be an epidemic in the business community.
 
2013-12-16 04:20:08 AM  

zez: Before this all starts again.

I have two sons, one will sit and read a book and the other is jumping out of trees and running up and rolling down the hill in the yard all day.

One of my kids has ADHD and the other one doesn't.

Your answer is probably wrong


So if two children behave differently to each other, at least one of them must have some sort of disease. okay, I am convinced.
 
2013-12-16 04:21:34 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I read that as "Dr. Who..."

And I'm not even a nerd.


I suppose that a TARDis joke would be both inappropriate and inaccurate.
 
2013-12-16 04:32:26 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Shire exec quoted FTA: "... I like to think we come at it from a higher order." There should be a drug for disingenuousness. It's easy to diagnose, and seems to be an epidemic in the business community.


Without mendacity or disingenuousness, we would cripple 90% of the world economy
 
2013-12-16 04:41:47 AM  
ADHD is real, but it seems to be that we don't exercise our attention, thus we have a deficit of it. And I think commercials during children's programming might have a lot to do with it. Pay attention for five to seven minutes, then watch a cascade of attention shifting commercials for 3-4 minutes. Even Sesame Street is pretty bad about jumping around. And then we watch TV while surfing the internet, half-reading shallow articles that we tell ourselves are interesting while bouncing between tabs and phones. Multitasking is both a cause and a symptom.

I just remembered a comment from German auto designers "What's with Americans and cupholders? Do they really drink beverages while driving?" (Paraphrased from something my german born US Government professor said)

And maybe if we only watched TV that engaged our full capacity for attention. Or perhaps down that road madness lies.
 
2013-12-16 04:43:14 AM  

xria: zez: Before this all starts again.

I have two sons, one will sit and read a book and the other is jumping out of trees and running up and rolling down the hill in the yard all day.

One of my kids has ADHD and the other one doesn't.

Your answer is probably wrong

So if two children behave differently to each other, at least one of them must have some sort of disease. okay, I am convinced.


Nah, some people with ADHD have periods of severe focus as mentioned above. I had a roommate in school who had a abundance of behavioral problems, which included the ADHD suite, but he would plow through Tom Clancy novels on a regular basis.
 
2013-12-16 05:17:55 AM  

SpdrJay: Psychology is slowly replacing religion as the biggest fraud perpetrated on mankind.


It's just underdeveloped, it's not being intentionally misleading.  Chemistry and biology when they'd just barely started being scientific disciplines (in the 1300s and the early 1800s respectively) put forward some rather silly and retrospectively obviously-untrue stuff out in their first century as empirical subjects, too.  Remember turning lead into gold, Eugenics, and social Darwinism?

What I'm saying is that they'll shape up eventually, mass guessing is something every field has to do before the basic parameters are nailed down.

// Was tempted to point out that agriculture produced religion before it became a defined craft even before science as such was around, but that probably counts as trolling.
 
2013-12-16 05:39:03 AM  

wildcardjack: ADHD is real, but it seems to be that we don't exercise our attention, thus we have a deficit of it. And I think commercials during children's programming might have a lot to do with it. Pay attention for five to seven minutes, then watch a cascade of attention shifting commercials for 3-4 minutes. Even Sesame Street is pretty bad about jumping around. And then we watch TV while surfing the internet, half-reading shallow articles that we tell ourselves are interesting while bouncing between tabs and phones. Multitasking is both a cause and a symptom.

I just remembered a comment from German auto designers "What's with Americans and cupholders? Do they really drink beverages while driving?" (Paraphrased from something my german born US Government professor said)

And maybe if we only watched TV that engaged our full capacity for attention. Or perhaps down that road madness lies.


...to be fair, roads in the US are straight and there are speed limits.  We're not exactly racing down the Autobahn.  There's time to sip a beverage.
 
2013-12-16 05:46:41 AM  

KradDrol: ...to be fair, roads in the US are straight and there are speed limits.  We're not exactly racing down the Autobahn.  There's time to sip a beverage.


While also talking on a cell phone and applying makeup/shaving using the rearview mirror with a small dog on your lap.
 
2013-12-16 06:01:28 AM  
ADHD: now "being male" is a treatable condition.

Are there kids who have a real problem?   Yes.  But they are few and far between.  Mostly ADHD has been a cash cow for psychologists,  pharmacists,  and a blessing to militant feminists who want to portray all men as dysfunctional, and lazy/overworked teachers who wanted to shunt those kids to special ed.   Parents who unwilling to administer discipline ain't helpin'.

/yes, my son was "borderline".  Half a cup of coffee in the morning did wonders.  But being ready to be "mean" and hold him to standards of conduct did more.
 
2013-12-16 06:23:24 AM  
Simple, ban advertising of medications. We banned cigarette ads on TV and radio, we can ban drug ads, too. Slap dat shiat out of all media.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-16 07:37:53 AM  
Many doctors have portrayed the medications as benign - "safer than aspirin," some say

Aspirin is sold because it was in wide use before the FDA started regulating drugs. It is not especially safe. It interferes with blood clotting, for example, and could be made prescription only to keep it out of people at risk for that or other side effects.
 
2013-12-16 08:08:38 AM  
Okay, as someone with ADHD, let me try to explain the way this works:

It's not so much "Lol brain lazy, I don't want to pay attention". At least in my case (I suspect ADHD is, in fact, a spectrum with a variety of different causes), that's not how it works. At all.

It's that, baring extreme cases where I am insanely interested in something, <i> I cannot easily block out stimuli.</i>

It's not "I don't want to pay attention", it's my brain is going "Pay attention to ALL THE THIIINNGSSS!".

The upside is that I tend to be *way* more aware of my surroundings than most people.

The downside is this is REALLY not useful in a typical classroom environment.

(Or on a bus. Once I've picked a conversation out of the background noise? Can't stop hearing it. Even if I want to.)

Whatever the source of mine is, it deeffiinatteeellly seems to be genetic. Me, my mother, my brother, and pretty much everyone on my mother's side of the family.

/I should also note I wasn't diagnosed via "He can't sit still! He must have ADD!", but, among other things, by a two-month double-blind trial involving both placebos and varying doses of ritalin, taken on different days.
//I also agree ADHD is over-diagnosed, and I am appalled and confused by people that abuse Adderal and Ritalin as a stimulant to study better. shiat, that stuff helped, but it felt there was a gun to my head *forcing* me to focus. The fark would make you want to take that if you didn't NEED it?!
 
2013-12-16 08:11:54 AM  

SpdrJay: Dimensio: SpdrJay: Psychology is slowly replacing religion as the biggest fraud perpetrated on mankind.

You accidentally neglected to link to a website where we may find the nearest location offering E-meter readings.

Nope....

Scientololololology is just more fraud.

Along with "spirituality " and other forms of repackaged religion. Fraud, wishful thinking, delusion, and a dash of self-agrandizement.

Psychology is not science. It's a poor relation in nice clothes, hoping to be allowed into the science party.


It does its best. There is also "psychiatry," which is a real branch of medicine.

The problem is that conducting true scientific studies on anything like the human mind will be inherently difficult and flawed. The fact that we do have objective evidence that changing brain chemistry can improve the quality and quantity of people's lives is a testament to the fact there is real science in there. Cognitive behavioral therapy has real data behind it, etc.

All of science has problems like these too. Bacterial sinusitis and bronchitis is overdiagnosed as well, which means lots of unnecessary antibiotics, analogous to the overtreatment of ADHD.
 
2013-12-16 08:59:36 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Shire exec quoted FTA: "... I like to think we come at it from a higher order." There should be a drug for disingenuousness. It's easy to diagnose, and seems to be an epidemic in the business community.


There is a drug for that.  Unfortunately, most of the time it's marketed as a glove cleaner.
 
2013-12-16 09:11:21 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Nefarious: ecmoRandomNumbers: I read that as "Dr. Who..."

And I'm not even a nerd.

It still sorta makes sense that way.

The 50 years helps


KradDrol: Well, Matt Smith certainly helped cement the fact that ADHD is real.


You guys sum up my thoughts nicely.
 
2013-12-16 09:14:31 AM  

Jambalaya James: Is this:  http://tinyurl.com/mm6kwdy  good for someone that like Dr Who for Christmas?


It helps if they like playing Monopoly.
 
2013-12-16 09:42:37 AM  

gfid: Why is this on the Geek tab instead of the Business tab?

Yes, ADHD is real.  I also believe it's diagnosed incorrectly in many cases, thus leading many to believe it's made up.


THIS
 
2013-12-16 09:50:36 AM  
www.portseattle.org
 
2013-12-16 10:08:21 AM  

AgentKGB: gfid: Why is this on the Geek tab instead of the Business tab?

Yes, ADHD is real.  I also believe it's diagnosed incorrectly in many cases, thus leading many to believe it's made up.

THIS


A rule of thumb, as I understand it, is that if you are treating a child for ADHD and the child has less energy as a result, you're probably doing it wrong or the kid probably doesn't have ADHD. Does that sound about right? Also, if the kid gets MORE energy from stimulants, i.e. isn't experiencing the paradoxical effect, then he almost certainly does not have ADHD. It shouldn't be about energy level at all, right?
 
2013-12-16 10:11:24 AM  

Dimensio: zez: Before this all starts again.

I have two sons, one will sit and read a book and the other is jumping out of trees and running up and rolling down the hill in the yard all day.

One of my kids has ADHD and the other one doesn't.

Your answer is probably wrong

Based upon your descriptions, I would tentatively assume that your book-reading son is afflicted with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. I would, however, prefer to have additional information before finalizing my prediction, such as knowing whether your book-reading son tends to read so intensely that he loses all sense of time while doing so.


One of the classic signs of ADHD--hyper-focus.  ADHD kids aren't always bouncing all over the place.  They can absolutely lose themselves in the most mundane things and block out all external stumuli.  One test I learned about hyperactive/ADHD kids:  Feed them coffee or Mt. Dew.  If they calm down, they've got ADHD.  Caffeine has the opposite effect on them.

/Former teacher
//Seen my share of undiagnosed and mis-diagnosed ADHD/hyperactive kids.
 
2013-12-16 10:19:00 AM  
Well...he wasn't expecting anyone to pay attention...
 
2013-12-16 10:33:16 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Nefarious: ecmoRandomNumbers: I read that as "Dr. Who..."

And I'm not even a nerd.

It still sorta makes sense that way.

The 50 years helps


Not really, the Dr has been around for 50 years. They just did a 50th Anniversary special last month.
 
2013-12-16 10:38:47 AM  
Never ask a barber if yoy need a haircut.
 
2013-12-16 10:43:38 AM  

turboke: PC LOAD LETTER: Nefarious: ecmoRandomNumbers: I read that as "Dr. Who..."

And I'm not even a nerd.

It still sorta makes sense that way.

The 50 years helps

KradDrol: Well, Matt Smith certainly helped cement the fact that ADHD is real.

You guys sum up my thoughts nicely.


That, plus I had just read the D&D is 40 thread, so I mistook ADHD for AD&D. I got really interested for a second until I read the headline a second time.
 
2013-12-16 11:22:31 AM  
As a therapist, I infrequently use the ADHD dx. There're usually a lot of other factors involved (family chaos usually figures prominently with my clientele) which contribute to the behaviors that the school and family are reporting. I've seen a large number of cases which I consider a mis-diagnosis, and a number where the dx was close to spot-on.

Some parents are overjoyed about solutions which don't involve medication, others are looking for a pill to 'fix the kid'. I do think ADHD is real; but like a number of other diagnoses, it's over-used.

One of my fascinations has to do with how we've dealt with these 'problems' historically. Was ADHD a 'thing' back in Renaissance times? Or is it an industrial-age thing because we insist on high levels of conformity?
 
2013-12-16 11:22:59 AM  

zez: Before this all starts again.

I have two sons, one will sit and read a book and the other is jumping out of trees and running up and rolling down the hill in the yard all day.

One of my kids has ADHD and the other one doesn't.

Your answer is probably wrong



You have two children with different personalities. Congratulations on not being a cloning device!
 
2013-12-16 11:27:28 AM  
gfbabbitt: One of my fascinations has to do with how we've dealt with these 'problems' historically. Was ADHD a 'thing' back in Renaissance times? Or is it an industrial-age thing because we insist on high levels of conformity?

No. Yes.

"ADHD" has always existed, but so has the fact that one kid went into the priesthood and another wanted to be a soldier.

They never got dealt with because they never needed to be.

Different people have different personalities. Who is to say ADHD is a "disorder"? Who says we all have to have identical brain chemistry and must all have the same behavioral patterns?

But now everyone needs to be able to function as an office drone, so it's become an issue.
 
2013-12-16 11:33:29 AM  
I also saw Doctor Who and AD&D in the headline, and couldn't make it through the rest plus flabbergasted.

Iapi.ning.com
 
2013-12-16 11:39:00 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I read that as "Dr. Who..."

And I'm not even a nerd.


Given how high profile the 50th anniversary is that's pretty easy to see happen.

If you have to be at least a little nerdy to put forth the effort to have a login here NTTIAWWT
 
2013-12-16 11:50:43 AM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsGkk1GGw3w

This is my favorite treatment for ADD and ADHD.
 
2013-12-16 11:56:33 AM  
Wait until we all take cymbalta for wimpy white woman syndrome
 
2013-12-16 12:11:29 PM  

FuturePastNow: Simple, ban advertising of medications. We banned cigarette ads on TV and radio, we can ban drug ads, too. Slap dat shiat out of all media.


Pretty much every other country in the world already does this. I was always shocked when I first came here to see the crap they can put on to convince people who have no idea about healthcare that they need this new wonder drug.

My favourite one was for a weak bladder with the side effects of diarrhea.
 
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