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(Opposing Views)   School decides not to call 911 when 6-year-old girl loses a piece of her finger because they "didn't feel like it was an emergency"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 211
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2013-12-16 07:46:12 AM

Fury Pilot: Are 911 operators incapable of determining whether an ambulance needs to be sent out or not?

In Australia, emergency services operators are trained to be able to make these determinations and advise callers on the appropriate course of action. This includes non-life threatening events, like severing a finger.


In the US, if someone requests an ambulance, they get an ambulance.  You can not refuse a request for service.  There are circumstances where you can suggest there is another course of action, but if they still wanted an ambulance, they got one.
 
2013-12-16 09:27:06 AM

EViLTeW: Fury Pilot: Are 911 operators incapable of determining whether an ambulance needs to be sent out or not?

In Australia, emergency services operators are trained to be able to make these determinations and advise callers on the appropriate course of action. This includes non-life threatening events, like severing a finger.

In the US, if someone requests an ambulance, they get an ambulance.  You can not refuse a request for service.  There are circumstances where you can suggest there is another course of action, but if they still wanted an ambulance, they got one.


Same thing here in Canada. You call 911 and ask for an ambulance, you get an ambulance sent to you. Doesn't matter if you called because you can't find your contact lenses or you have a blister on your thumb from taking a microwave dinner out of the microwave. It may not come with its lights and sirens, but one will be sent.
 
2013-12-16 09:27:25 AM

High Five State!: glmorrs1: High Five State!: Please don't call 911 for stupid crap like this. 911 is for life threatining emergencies. Not because your dumb kid smashed the tip of a finger.

Not just smashed the finger, but crushed the finger to the point that the tip was amputated beneath the nail. This type of injury could very well cause enough bleeding to send a child into shock.

Yeah!?! No!
She would have been amazingly fine. Probably would have got a cool nickname out of it.
/lucky 4 fingers


If I'm remembering my training right (and I am), children have proportionally less volume of blood than adults. What could be a minor injury to a grown person could be severe enough to a child to cause hypovolemic shock.
 
2013-12-16 09:33:15 AM

glmorrs1: High Five State!: glmorrs1: High Five State!: Please don't call 911 for stupid crap like this. 911 is for life threatining emergencies. Not because your dumb kid smashed the tip of a finger.

Not just smashed the finger, but crushed the finger to the point that the tip was amputated beneath the nail. This type of injury could very well cause enough bleeding to send a child into shock.

Yeah!?! No!
She would have been amazingly fine. Probably would have got a cool nickname out of it.
/lucky 4 fingers

If I'm remembering my training right (and I am), children have proportionally less volume of blood than adults. What could be a minor injury to a grown person could be severe enough to a child to cause hypovolemic shock.


Very doubtful that you would lose that much blood from severing the tip of your finger. If I remember my calculations right, a 6 year old should weigh about 24kg, and has about 80ml of blood per kg, which would make just under 2L of blood. Plus, when you sever a finger, the vasculature can normally clamp down enough to minimize blood loss. There are also no major arteries to worry about in your finger tip.
 
2013-12-16 10:25:13 AM
Reminds me of the time my sister broke her arm in gym class. They called my dad instead of an ambulance. My sister was in incredible pain until my dad arrived. He was pissed at administrators. Oddly enough, he did not go to the media or file a lawsuit.
 
2013-12-16 10:47:38 AM

glmorrs1: High Five State!: Please don't call 911 for stupid crap like this. 911 is for life threatining emergencies. Not because your dumb kid smashed the tip of a finger.

Not just smashed the finger, but crushed the finger to the point that the tip was amputated beneath the nail. This type of injury could very well cause enough bleeding to send a child into shock.


yeah I really doubt that, You're probably the moron I took care of who called 911 because they had an ear ache.
 
2013-12-16 11:10:47 AM

High Five State!: glmorrs1: High Five State!: Please don't call 911 for stupid crap like this. 911 is for life threatining emergencies. Not because your dumb kid smashed the tip of a finger.

Not just smashed the finger, but crushed the finger to the point that the tip was amputated beneath the nail. This type of injury could very well cause enough bleeding to send a child into shock.

yeah I really doubt that, You're probably the moron I took care of who called 911 because they had an ear ache.


Dude, I'm an EMT. I take people to the hospital for all kinds of minor shiat that they don't really need an ambulance for.

You must be the nurse who handed over a patient for transport with breathing problems that put the nasal cannula on wrong, didn't turn the O2 on, and told me his lung sounds were clear in all quadrants when you coul hear the rales fom across the room.
 
2013-12-16 03:10:19 PM

High Five State!: yeah I really doubt that, You're probably the moron I took care of who called 911 because they had an ear ache.


glmorrs1:You must be the nurse who handed over a patient for transport with breathing problems that put the nasal cannula on wrong, didn't turn the O2 on, and told me his lung sounds were clear in all quadrants when you coul hear the rales fom across the room.

Will you two just fark already? That way, we can get to attacking the real enemy. Nursing Home LPNs. :)
 
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2013-12-16 09:24:53 PM

ReapTheChaos: Losing the tip of a finger is not life threatening, as long as it's put on ice you have hours to get it reattached.  From the article it's hard to say how much was cut off. If it wasn't down to the bone it will grow back eventually anyway.


Normally I would agree, however if it is severed below the fingernail then that is significant and I would demand a hospital trip asap.
 
2013-12-16 10:34:55 PM

Tachypnea: EViLTeW: Fury Pilot: Are 911 operators incapable of determining whether an ambulance needs to be sent out or not?

In Australia, emergency services operators are trained to be able to make these determinations and advise callers on the appropriate course of action. This includes non-life threatening events, like severing a finger.

In the US, if someone requests an ambulance, they get an ambulance.  You can not refuse a request for service.  There are circumstances where you can suggest there is another course of action, but if they still wanted an ambulance, they got one.

Same thing here in Canada. You call 911 and ask for an ambulance, you get an ambulance sent to you. Doesn't matter if you called because you can't find your contact lenses or you have a blister on your thumb from taking a microwave dinner out of the microwave. It may not come with its lights and sirens, but one will be sent.


Undoubtedly it is is same in Australia, if you request an ambulance you get an ambulance, but you can call 000 (our 911 equivalent) for events that may not need an ambulance, and operators can advise you of your options.

Others in the thread gave the impression that you would never call 911 for anything other than life threatening injuries.
 
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