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2013-12-15 03:46:45 PM  
Those can't be predictable. Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.

Also I hate the passive voice there. The gun didn't just up and discharge. The employee was trying to clean a loaded gun.
 
2013-12-15 03:58:35 PM  

BSABSVR: Those can't be predictable. Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.

Also I hate the passive voice there. The gun didn't just up and discharge. The employee was trying to clean a loaded gun.


As I mentioned in the other gun thread about upping the standards for a gun license.........................
 
2013-12-15 04:12:45 PM  
Step one: Drop magazine / eject rounds from cylinder.
Step two: Clear chamber.
Step three: Double- and triple-check clear chamber.
Step four: NOW proceed with cleaning.
 
2013-12-15 04:18:33 PM  
According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html/
 
2013-12-15 04:25:05 PM  

BSABSVR: Those can't be predictable. Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.

Also I hate the passive voice there. The gun didn't just up and discharge. The employee was trying to clean a loaded gun.


Doubtful.  "Luxury" gun club, first night open, new employees.  Probably more like, "OH WOW, dood, cool gun, can I see it?  Thanks.  Mannn... how much did you pay for this??  Man, this gun is Bad... ASS.  I've been thinking to get one, ya know, I'm a real fan of th"<BANG>
 
2013-12-15 04:59:37 PM  
"Johnson said the injured employee was a 20-year experienced range safety officer who had worked at other ranges and served in the military. He's "someone who knows what he's doing, just to try to help a customer, and the gun accidentally discharged," Johnson said. "

Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with this.
 
2013-12-15 05:07:21 PM  
It calls itself the nation's largest indoor shooting range, and includes luxury features for members.

e.g. Personal masturbatory rooms for the higher class of gun fetishist
 
2013-12-15 05:10:23 PM  

markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html/


At least he wasn't looking down the barrel to see if he could spot the problem.
 
2013-12-15 05:12:32 PM  

Sniffers Row: "Johnson said the injured employee was a 20-year experienced range safety officer who had worked at other ranges and served in the military. He's "someone who knows what he's doing, just to try to help a customer, and the gun accidentally discharged," Johnson said. "

Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with this.


He trained under this guy.
 
2013-12-15 05:55:12 PM  
He clearly fails at step 1 of picking up a weapon.
 
2013-12-15 05:55:50 PM  

markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html/


He was doing it wrong.
 
2013-12-15 06:04:16 PM  
One less 40 thousand dollar a year millionaire? No big deal
 
2013-12-15 06:09:21 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: He clearly fails at step 1 of picking up a weapon.


THIS.

Even if he was a "20-year experienced range safety officer who had worked at other ranges and served in the military", he obviously didn't know what he was doing.  Never, ever point the business end of a gun toward anything but a safe target.  Ever.  I don't care if its mag is lying on the bench and the breech is open, with a range flag in place.

NEVER.

And for Cthulhu's sake, keep your goddamn booger-hook off the bang-switch.
 
2013-12-15 06:23:10 PM  
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2013-12-15 06:50:18 PM  
Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.

Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.
 
2013-12-15 06:51:07 PM  
Predictable? Do a majority of gun club openings feature accidental shootings?
 
2013-12-15 06:51:11 PM  

gopher321: It calls itself the nation's largest indoor shooting range, and includes luxury features for members.

e.g. Personal masturbatory rooms for the higher class of gun fetishist


No, the employees shoot themselves so you don't have to. Worth every penny, IMO.
 
2013-12-15 06:52:56 PM  
Is this the thread where all the responsible gun owners high five themselves after they tell us the REAL way to handle a gun?
 
2013-12-15 06:53:06 PM  
"Cheney's car just pulled up! Everybody RUN!"
 
2013-12-15 06:54:07 PM  
*BANG* Aw hell... OK, who shot J.R.?
 
2013-12-15 06:54:45 PM  
Cleaning comes AFTER clearing.
Who cleans a loaded weapon?
OK, but one less, now.

/experts
 
2013-12-15 06:54:49 PM  

markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html/


Mission accomplished then.
 
2013-12-15 06:55:04 PM  
I wonder if somebody like Cheney could pay enough at a club like this to shoot an employee non lethally for kicks and they would keep it secret.
 
2013-12-15 06:55:21 PM  
They opened a "luxury" gun range near my office.  I'm not sure what makes a gun range luxurious.
 
2013-12-15 06:55:24 PM  

jaytkay: Is this the thread where all the responsible gun owners high five themselves after they tell us the REAL way to handle a gun?


It may be the one where nobody died, as usual.
 
2013-12-15 06:56:05 PM  

Rapmaster2000: They opened a "luxury" gun range near my office.  I'm not sure what makes a gun range luxurious.


PINK
 or, HOT PINK
 
2013-12-15 06:57:31 PM  
There are no accidents, only negligence.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2013-12-15 06:57:53 PM  
There is no such thing as an accidental discharge. Only a negligent discharge.
 
2013-12-15 06:58:35 PM  
Gotta admit, since it was not suicide, it was not the ideally effective application of the handgun.
 
2013-12-15 06:59:45 PM  

berylman: I wonder if somebody like Cheney could pay enough at a club like this to shoot an employee non lethally for kicks and they would keep it secret.


I have it on good authority that Cheyney travels the country killing hobos. He finds them, cleans them up, dresses them nice, and releases them on the edge of town with $80 to start a new life. Then he shoots them in the head.
 
2013-12-15 07:00:25 PM  
Accidents happen. But as with most gun accidents, there was probably a lapse in situational awareness from the gun handler. ALWAYS point the gun downrange when clearing a jam.
 
2013-12-15 07:01:08 PM  

BSABSVR: Those can't be predictable. Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.

Also I hate the passive voice there. The gun didn't just up and discharge. The employee was trying to clean a loaded gun.


Yup. As a shooter, I'm always amazed at how cavalier people will treat these objects. I don't know if it's a matter of being around them so much that you get too comfortable or just everyday dumbassery.

Myself, I'm borderline obsessive-compulsive when handling guns. You have to respect them. But then, I drive the streets everyday and see people who shouldn't be behind the wheel. I guess shiats gonna happen.
 
2013-12-15 07:02:18 PM  
An employee was cleaning a gun for a patron when it discharged, wounding the employee in the hand.

There are so many things wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin.
 
2013-12-15 07:06:03 PM  

BSABSVR: Those can't be predictable. Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.

Also I hate the passive voice there. The gun didn't just up and discharge. The employee was trying to clean a loaded gun.


That's just what everyone says when they unintentionally discharge a weapon. It is physically impossible to discharge a weapon while cleaning it. For one, you have to eject the mag and clear the chamber first. Then, you check 3 times to see that there isn't a round in the chamber. Then, you should partially dissemble the gun in question. At no time in this process should you reintroduce the mag.

/ I hate when idiots handle guns; because, it makes non idiots look bad
 
2013-12-15 07:07:12 PM  
I laugh when gun nuts accidentally shoot each other, because they are all stupid cowards; and the fewer stupid cowards in the world, the better.
 
2013-12-15 07:07:48 PM  

wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.


No TRUE Texan would handle a firearm with such negligence.
 
2013-12-15 07:08:11 PM  

markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html/


He obviously did it wrong, but that will not stop the anti gun derpers from herping and derping.

/and urping
 
2013-12-15 07:14:02 PM  
Normally you only clean a loaded gun when the wife is around.
 
2013-12-15 07:14:31 PM  

jaytkay: Is this the thread where all the responsible gun owners high five themselves after they tell us the REAL way to handle a gun?


I don't know about any "high fiving" but as you alluded to there IS a correct way to handle a gun just as there are correct ways to handle a knife, hammer, chemicals or anything else. Basic safe handling practices which, IMHO, everyone should be taught in school whether they ever plan to own a gun or not. And practice number one is: never, ever, ever point a gun at something that you don't want getting shot - even if the gun is "empty" ("empty" guns fire the deadliest bullets).
 
2013-12-15 07:18:06 PM  

cubic_spleen: I laugh when gun nuts accidentally shoot each other, because they are all stupid cowards; and the fewer stupid cowards in the world, the better.


Trolling on Sundays? You should go to church and better your life, son.
 
2013-12-15 07:18:15 PM  

WTFDYW: markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html/

He obviously did it wrong, but that will not stop the anti gun derpers from herping and derping.

/and urping


the anti-gun derpers would like to give you gun-nuts a hand... that is, after they finish finding all the bits and pieces for you.
 
2013-12-15 07:18:33 PM  
This would never happen if more people had more guns.
 
2013-12-15 07:19:06 PM  
Sounds like someone does not know the difference between Clearing and Cleaning.
Two very different operations.
A hangfire is always a possibility when clearing after the primer has been struck and the round does not go off.
But one should never cover anything with the muzzle at any time.
However sometimes one will when clearing a round and there is no way around it.
 
2013-12-15 07:19:34 PM  
I'm not against Americans owning guns. I'm against idiots owning guns.
 
2013-12-15 07:20:59 PM  
Cleaning my gun with the safety off, safety off, safety off, cleaning my gun with the...

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From the good BuffulKill family
 
2013-12-15 07:21:25 PM  

mongbiohazard: jaytkay: Is this the thread where all the responsible gun owners high five themselves after they tell us the REAL way to handle a gun?

I don't know about any "high fiving" but as you alluded to there IS a correct way to handle a gun just as there are correct ways to handle a knife, hammer, chemicals or anything else. Basic safe handling practices which, IMHO, everyone should be taught in school whether they ever plan to own a gun or not. And practice number one is: never, ever, ever point a gun at something that you don't want getting shot - even if the gun is "empty" ("empty" guns fire the deadliest bullets).


I don't even own a gun and I know this stuff.
 
2013-12-15 07:37:04 PM  
Interesting how some reporter writes in the paper that the employee was "cleaning" a gun for a customer, and everyone imagines some idiot with a full 33rd magazine inserted, looking down the muzzle.

/Still no excuse even if he was clearing a misfire.
 
2013-12-15 07:37:21 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm not sure what makes a gun range luxurious.


This one offers free machine gun rental on your B-day, free gun storage, free sight in service, free gun cleaning *under review*, free personal instructions, etc.

Plus having an indoor gun range with a 100-yd rifle range is nice.
 
2013-12-15 07:41:10 PM  

kqc7011: Sounds like someone does not know the difference between Clearing and Cleaning.
Two very different operations.
A hangfire is always a possibility when clearing after the primer has been struck and the round does not go off.
But one should never cover anything with the muzzle at any time.
However sometimes one will when clearing a round and there is no way around it.


31 years using guns, , pistols, rifles, shktguns, automatic weapons. Thousands of rounds, brand new, reloads, military surplus, stuff stored for decades...

...and never one single hang fire. I've been waiting, and it's always a hard primer or weak strike.

This guy was dicking around and dropped hammer on a live chamber, end of story, end of excuses.
 
2013-12-15 07:44:03 PM  
Dalals North Tollway

Where is that? Oh, Taesx.
 
2013-12-15 07:44:55 PM  

HeadLever: Rapmaster2000: I'm not sure what makes a gun range luxurious.

This one offers free machine gun rental on your B-day, free gun storage, free sight in service, free gun cleaning *under review*, free personal instructions, etc.

Plus having an indoor gun range with a 100-yd rifle range is nice.


I could use a place like that. Minus the someone shooting themself with my gun part.

/need to get my AR15 sighted in. It's off by a mile and I couldn't hit paper when I took it to the range last week.
 
2013-12-15 07:44:58 PM  

gopher321: It calls itself the nation's largest indoor shooting range, and includes luxury features for members.

e.g. Personal masturbatory rooms for the higher class of gun fetishist


For guys with a .45 peener?

/That's not too much
//Peener
 
2013-12-15 07:50:53 PM  

Government Fromage: I could use a place like that. Minus the someone shooting themself with my gun part.

/need to get my AR15 sighted in. It's off by a mile and I couldn't hit paper when I took it to the range last week.


Yeah, but when the minimum annual fee is $250, might as well get you a good bore sight and head off to the public range.
 
2013-12-15 07:52:31 PM  

Rapmaster2000: They opened a "luxury" gun range near my office.  I'm not sure what makes a gun range luxurious.



Silver bullets.
 
2013-12-15 07:53:20 PM  

wildcardjack: I have it on good authority that Cheyney travels the country killing hobos. He finds them, cleans them up, dresses them nice, and releases them on the edge of town with $80 to start a new life. Then he shoots them in the head.


Well yeah. That's where he got his heart--he harvested it himself. Then the rush was so addicting that he just kept on doing it.
 
2013-12-15 07:53:42 PM  
Impressive.  Customers are known to fark up occasionally but this is the first time I've heard of the actual people running the place self-inflicting injury via stupid.
 
2013-12-15 07:54:44 PM  

HeadLever: Government Fromage: I could use a place like that. Minus the someone shooting themself with my gun part.

/need to get my AR15 sighted in. It's off by a mile and I couldn't hit paper when I took it to the range last week.

Yeah, but when the minimum annual fee is $250, might as well get you a good bore sight and head off to the public range.


I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.
 
2013-12-15 07:54:55 PM  

cubic_spleen: I laugh when gun nuts accidentally shoot each other, because they are all stupid cowards; and the fewer stupid cowards in the world, the better.


If we start judging people by what they own, shiats gonna get real ugly.

/Vanilla Ice cd's
//Crocs
 
2013-12-15 08:00:04 PM  

dryknife: Rapmaster2000: They opened a "luxury" gun range near my office.  I'm not sure what makes a gun range luxurious.

Silver bullets.


Bah! Silver is for commoners. Real connoisseurs use platinum.

Unless you're dealing with vampires.
 
2013-12-15 08:05:15 PM  
There has to be a way of keeping guns away from idiots.  Maybe the club could be a little more selective about who they hire?
 
2013-12-15 08:05:32 PM  
What, a registered Democrat shot the place up?
 
2013-12-15 08:06:24 PM  

base935: Interesting how some reporter writes in the paper that the employee was "cleaning" a gun for a customer, and everyone imagines some idiot with a full 33rd magazine inserted, looking down the muzzle.


Who is "everyone"? And how do you know what they imagine?
 
2013-12-15 08:08:18 PM  

Rapmaster2000: They opened a "luxury" gun range near my office.  I'm not sure what makes a gun range luxurious.


hookers and blow
 
2013-12-15 08:08:40 PM  

Government Fromage: I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.


Yeah, that can be frustrating. Bore sighters are typically pretty good at getting you on paper at 100 yrds, but there are always exceptions.

I had to chase a broken scope all over the place once.  Not fun when you are just wasting ammo.
 
2013-12-15 08:09:07 PM  

El Pachuco: kqc7011: Sounds like someone does not know the difference between Clearing and Cleaning.
Two very different operations.
A hangfire is always a possibility when clearing after the primer has been struck and the round does not go off.
But one should never cover anything with the muzzle at any time.
However sometimes one will when clearing a round and there is no way around it.

31 years using guns, , pistols, rifles, shktguns, automatic weapons. Thousands of rounds, brand new, reloads, military surplus, stuff stored for decades...

...and never one single hang fire. I've been waiting, and it's always a hard primer or weak strike.

This guy was dicking around and dropped hammer on a live chamber, end of story, end of excuses.


From the Dallas Morning News, "while trying to clear a jam on a customer's gun at the indoor range "
 
2013-12-15 08:11:25 PM  

wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.  Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.


I lived there when Texas' first In-N-Out opened; it was in Allen not Frisco.  And yes, it took SWAT teams to manage drive-thru traffic during opening week.  I had to wait a month before scoring some of that greasy goodness.

Frisco was a virtual overnight popup suburb built around a giant new mall when credit was easy and mortgages fell from the sky, all located 15 miles north of North Dallas.  Most residents are not Californians, but rather existing Metroplexites just upgrading to big new shiny.
 
2013-12-15 08:14:18 PM  

kqc7011: El Pachuco:

Wonder if we will ever see (if they have it) the security tape to show what actually went on.

 
2013-12-15 08:17:18 PM  
An old college friend of mine who went full Tea-Bircher after having kids and moving to the suburbs was at that range yesterday. She was posting pics of herself and the other soccer moms plinking off rounds from the "Lady" model 9mms and .40 calibers their husbands bought them. So I am really getting a kick...

/I'll be sure to give them hell tomorrow, they're probably working on a surly drunk post Cowpokes vs. Cheesemongers game right now.
 
2013-12-15 08:17:45 PM  
Something about minimum wage attracting the best and the brightest is probably involved as well.
 
2013-12-15 08:19:14 PM  

mongbiohazard: jaytkay: Is this the thread where all the responsible gun owners high five themselves after they tell us the REAL way to handle a gun?

I don't know about any "high fiving" but as you alluded to there IS a correct way to handle a gun just as there are correct ways to handle a knife, hammer, chemicals or anything else. Basic safe handling practices which, IMHO, everyone should be taught in school whether they ever plan to own a gun or not. And practice number one is: never, ever, ever point a gun at something that you don't want getting shot - even if the gun is "empty" ("empty" guns fire the deadliest bullets).


In the mid 1980s Missouri, us boys had gun safety lessons for the week or so that the girls had their "Your body and you" classes. One of the few things that educators in the south ever did correctly IMO.
 
2013-12-15 08:23:16 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: BSABSVR: Those can't be predictable. Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.

Also I hate the passive voice there. The gun didn't just up and discharge. The employee was trying to clean a loaded gun.

Doubtful.  "Luxury" gun club, first night open, new employees.  Probably more like, "OH WOW, dood, cool gun, can I see it?  Thanks.  Mannn... how much did you pay for this??  Man, this gun is Bad... ASS.  I've been thinking to get one, ya know, I'm a real fan of th"<BANG>


Imma have to agree with you. Their story sounds like BS
 
2013-12-15 08:23:24 PM  

BSABSVR: Those can't be predictable. Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.

Also I hate the passive voice there. The gun didn't just up and discharge. The employee was trying to clean a loaded gun.


which had been handed him by a patron. and the employee didn't immediately check it. damn fools, both of them.
 
2013-12-15 08:26:10 PM  

Old enough to know better: I'm not against Americans owning guns. I'm against idiots owning guns.


Well which is it?
 
2013-12-15 08:28:36 PM  
Might actually try hiring someone who knows about gun safety before handing some moron a firearm. Just saying.
 
2013-12-15 08:30:52 PM  
Now I am positive that Mayor Bloomberg is an admin here.
 
2013-12-15 08:32:09 PM  

markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html

.

Knowing how awesome the media is at reporting about guns, I bet he didn't even "shoot" his hand. One of the articles indicated a grazing wound on the employee's palm. He was probably close to racking the slide to clear a no-fire when it finally went off. The front/rear sight probably cut a nice groove in his palm.
 
2013-12-15 08:35:32 PM  
Seriously any one working in a gunshop or club should have to take gun safety classes and any one wanting to buy a gun should have to as well, complete the course get a card good for 5 years, it can be renewed after taking a refresher course.  Person wanting to buy a gun pays for the class, employer pays for an employee to be trained.
 
2013-12-15 08:36:55 PM  

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html.

Knowing how awesome the media is at reporting about guns, I bet he didn't even "shoot" his hand. One of the articles indicated a grazing wound on the employee's palm. He was probably close to racking the slide to clear a no-fire when it finally went off. The front/rear sight probably cut a nice groove in his palm.


The seems more plausible. The first thing you do when cleaning a gun is unload the goddamn thing.
 
2013-12-15 08:40:13 PM  

Giltric: Now I am positive that Mayor Bloomberg is an admin here.


1. Bloomberg wouldn't be an admin, he can just pay someone.
2. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
3. Bait threads get clicks.
 
2013-12-15 08:47:11 PM  

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html.

Knowing how awesome the media is at reporting about guns, I bet he didn't even "shoot" his hand. One of the articles indicated a grazing wound on the employee's palm. He was probably close to racking the slide to clear a no-fire when it finally went off. The front/rear sight probably cut a nice groove in his palm.


That sounds plausible.
 
2013-12-15 09:00:58 PM  

dryknife: Rapmaster2000: They opened a "luxury" gun range near my office.  I'm not sure what makes a gun range luxurious.


Silver bullets.


And a snarlin' gnarlin' in the champagne room.
 
2013-12-15 09:02:26 PM  

BigNumber12: Predictable? Do a majority of gun club openings feature accidental shootings?


Pretty obvious that an ant-gun nut submitted this.
 
2013-12-15 09:05:07 PM  

John Buck 41: BigNumber12: Predictable? Do a majority of gun club openings feature accidental shootings?

Pretty obvious that an ant-gun nut submitted this.


oh, i see, it's "too soon" to talk about how predictable (statistically) it is for nice normal people to blow each other apart, accidentally. Because that IS predictable.

the answer to this isn't "ban guns", it's to "stop glorifying guns into your personal masturbatory arsenal".
 
2013-12-15 09:05:20 PM  

cubic_spleen: I laugh when gun nuts accidentally shoot each other, because they are all stupid cowards; and the fewer stupid cowards in the world, the better.


-1/10  You tried WAAAAYY too hard.
 
2013-12-15 09:07:36 PM  

John Buck 41: BigNumber12: Predictable? Do a majority of gun club openings feature accidental shootings?

Pretty obvious that an ant-gun nut submitted this.


The headline serves as a reminder that if you ever make physical contact with a firearm at any time in your life then either you or someone you love will, inevitably, be shot whether intentionally or negligently.
 
2013-12-15 09:12:20 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: John Buck 41: BigNumber12: Predictable? Do a majority of gun club openings feature accidental shootings?

Pretty obvious that an ant-gun nut submitted this.

oh, i see, it's "too soon" to talk about how predictable (statistically) it is for nice normal people to blow each other apart, accidentally. Because that IS predictable.

the answer to this isn't "ban guns", it's to "stop glorifying guns into your personal masturbatory arsenal".


The dot 12 feet above you? That's our point gong over your head.
 
2013-12-15 09:12:25 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: John Buck 41: BigNumber12: Predictable? Do a majority of gun club openings feature accidental shootings?

Pretty obvious that an ant-gun nut submitted this.

oh, i see, it's "too soon" to talk about how predictable (statistically) it is for nice normal people to blow each other apart, accidentally. Because that IS predictable.

the answer to this isn't "ban guns", it's to "stop glorifying guns into your personal masturbatory arsenal".



It's predictable that the next mass shooter will be left leaning.

The debate club failure didn't even achieve mass shooter success and they are scrubbing his political ideologies from articles.
 
Rat [TotalFark]
2013-12-15 09:15:24 PM  

HeadLever: Rapmaster2000: I'm not sure what makes a gun range luxurious.

This one offers free machine gun rental on your B-day, free gun storage, free sight in service, free gun cleaning *under review*, free personal instructions, etc.

Plus having an indoor gun range with a 100-yd rifle range is nice.


"under review"

That cracked me up beyond normal!

Thanks

™ because kitty lady hates to copyright
 
2013-12-15 09:21:10 PM  

WTFDYW: markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html/

He obviously did it wrong, but that will not stop the anti gun derpers from herping and derping.

/and urping


Not so much anti-gun, just anti-idiot with guns, and unfortunately that is a lot of gun owners.
 
2013-12-15 09:22:52 PM  
If the world goes to shiat, you can bet your azz that all the anti-gun morons will be butt lickin' us redneck gun owners (trained users) to help 'em out!  ***spit***
 
2013-12-15 09:28:24 PM  
Dirty guns are safe guns...
And if bullets discharge by themselves they should be banned...
 
2013-12-15 09:34:52 PM  
nodirection.com
 
2013-12-15 09:35:01 PM  
http://youtu.be/o6Y7LIJm5gI
Pay attention kids.
 
2013-12-15 09:37:45 PM  
"Cleaning a customer's gun when it accidentally discharged"... Huh. So that's what the kids are calling it these days. Well, premature ejaculation is a biatch, even for the high rollers. Bang-chicka-bang.
 
2013-12-15 09:41:15 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2013-12-15 09:48:47 PM  

TwistedIvory: Step one: Drop magazine / eject rounds from cylinder.
Step two: Clear chamber.
Step three: Double- and triple-check clear chamber.
Step four: NOW proceed with cleaning.


And you know what? Even then, be wary as fark.
 
2013-12-15 09:50:08 PM  
Somebody should write a song about how guns don't just go off. There could be dick references and everything.
 
2013-12-15 09:51:59 PM  

DrBenway: "Cleaning a customer's gun when it accidentally discharged"... Huh. So that's what the kids are calling it these days. Well, premature ejaculation is a biatch, even for the high rollers. Bang-chicka-bang.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-12-15 10:01:58 PM  
When I had a 30-06 and would have a misfire I would always feel uneasy pulling the bolt back to eject the unspent bullet.
In the back of my mind I would expect the worst. (Not sure of the likelihood of anything actually happening, though).
 
2013-12-15 10:17:51 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Marcus Aurelius: He clearly fails at step 1 of picking up a weapon.

THIS.

Even if he was a "20-year experienced range safety officer who had worked at other ranges and served in the military", he obviously didn't know what he was doing.  Never, ever point the business end of a gun toward anything but a safe target.  Ever.  I don't care if its mag is lying on the bench and the breech is open, with a range flag in place.

NEVER.

And for Cthulhu's sake, keep your goddamn booger-hook off the bang-switch.


"And for Cthulhu's sake, keep your goddamn booger-hook off the bang-switch."

Farking hilarious..thanks for that.
 
2013-12-15 10:18:30 PM  

C18H27NO3: When I had a 30-06 and would have a misfire I would always feel uneasy pulling the bolt back to eject the unspent bullet.
In the back of my mind I would expect the worst. (Not sure of the likelihood of anything actually happening, though).


Hang fire, you mean?  Yeah, I can understand that, but...if you wait 15-30 seconds, it's probably not going to go off.  If the cartridge  does fire in the process of ejecting the cartridge, it's definitely not cool, but it's not going to have anything near the velocity of a bullet with all of the pressure of going through a barrel as the powder burns.
 
2013-12-15 10:22:16 PM  
Oy gevalt!

www.homevideos.com
 
2013-12-15 10:23:09 PM  

iheartscotch: That's just what everyone says when they unintentionally discharge a weapon. It is physically impossible to discharge a weapon while cleaning it. For one, you have to eject the mag clip and clear the chamber first. Then, you check 3 times to see that there isn't a round in the chamber. Then, you should partially dissemble the gun in question. At no time in this process should you reintroduce the mag clip.


Jesus, do you know nothing about guns?
 
2013-12-15 10:42:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: And for Cthulhu's sake, keep your goddamn booger-hook off the bang-switch.


the firearm discharged during the process of a jam.  The injury may very well have been from gas blowback and not from the projectile hitting his hand.  Given one article says it was during cleaning and another says it was a jam during normal operation, i think we need more information.

stevarooni: Hang fire, you mean?  Yeah, I can understand that, but...if you wait 15-30 seconds, it's probably not going to go off.


Had a FTF one time with my Mosin-Nagant.  THAT pill is one that I dont want to get any blowback over.
 
2013-12-15 10:45:09 PM  
It happened in Frisco.  I could care fark-all about what happens in Frisco.  Rich entitled-acting asshats.

/Irving native
//Frisco was the sticks in my day
///lawn, off, etc.
 
2013-12-15 10:51:33 PM  
Guns don't clean people....
 
2013-12-15 10:52:32 PM  

o5iiawah: Benevolent Misanthrope: And for Cthulhu's sake, keep your goddamn booger-hook off the bang-switch.

the firearm discharged during the process of a jam.  The injury may very well have been from gas blowback and not from the projectile hitting his hand.  Given one article says it was during cleaning and another says it was a jam during normal operation, i think we need more information.

stevarooni: Hang fire, you mean?  Yeah, I can understand that, but...if you wait 15-30 seconds, it's probably not going to go off.

Had a FTF one time with my Mosin-Nagant.  THAT pill is one that I dont want to get any blowback over.


Oh damn.  That must have been special.
 
2013-12-15 10:58:49 PM  
I'm waiting for the luxury crossbow indoor shooting range, not to be outdone, of course, by the luxury hand-grenade indoor tossing range.
 
2013-12-15 11:00:47 PM  

HeadLever: Government Fromage: I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.

Yeah, that can be frustrating. Bore sighters are typically pretty good at getting you on paper at 100 yrds, but there are always exceptions.

I had to chase a broken scope all over the place once.  Not fun when you are just wasting ammo.


Can't you just set your target closer to you for the first shot?
 
2013-12-15 11:03:01 PM  
I'm guessing they had really good appetizers?
 
2013-12-15 11:03:17 PM  
i was juz trollin'  cause guns be like, sirious bidness.

sometimes the absurdity and necessity of monkeys with chemical explosives compels me
 
2013-12-15 11:03:28 PM  

Giltric: Now I am positive that Mayor Bloomberg is an admin here.


I don't often agree with you, but when I do, I agree 110%
 
2013-12-15 11:04:42 PM  

El Pachuco: kqc7011: Sounds like someone does not know the difference between Clearing and Cleaning.
Two very different operations.
A hangfire is always a possibility when clearing after the primer has been struck and the round does not go off.
But one should never cover anything with the muzzle at any time.
However sometimes one will when clearing a round and there is no way around it.

31 years using guns, , pistols, rifles, shktguns, automatic weapons. Thousands of rounds, brand new, reloads, military surplus, stuff stored for decades...

...and never one single hang fire. I've been waiting, and it's always a hard primer or weak strike.

This guy was dicking around and dropped hammer on a live chamber, end of story, end of excuses.


I had a 22 slam fire when chambering a round.  But since I'm not retarded it was pointed away from me and just blew a hole in the carpet and made a tiny crater in the concrete sub floor.  And put a few bits of concrete and lead barely into the skin around my ankle.  We laughed.
 
2013-12-15 11:05:36 PM  
I had a failure to fire of some cheap Chinese .223 yesterday while sighting in my new EOTech. Creeped me right out, the primer had a big dent in it and everything.
 
2013-12-15 11:20:52 PM  
Dallas, huh? Well, we all know who's to blame.
www.sitcomsonline.com
or
obrag.org
 
2013-12-15 11:20:56 PM  

BSABSVR: Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.


That has never happened.
 
2013-12-15 11:22:00 PM  

gopher321: e.g. Personal masturbatory rooms for the higher class of gun fetishist


DRINK!!
 
2013-12-15 11:23:51 PM  

cubic_spleen: I laugh when gun nuts accidentally shoot each other, because they are all stupid cowards; and the fewer stupid cowards in the world, the better.


1/10
 
2013-12-15 11:26:01 PM  

Medic Zero: cubic_spleen: I laugh when gun nuts accidentally shoot each other, because they are all stupid cowards; and the fewer stupid cowards in the world, the better.

1/10


Hey now, be nice. That was a very brave thing for him to say.
 
2013-12-15 11:30:18 PM  

wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.

Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.


So much THIS.

Frisco is the California transplant town.  Dems should love it.  They're people who are actively working to make Texas blueish purple.  So naturally, he probably wouldn't know how to operate a gun.  But keep blaming guns for gun violence.  A gun won't just go off and kill someone if left alone on a desk for days on end.
 
2013-12-15 11:43:52 PM  

SithLord: wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.

Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.

So much THIS.

Frisco is the California transplant town.  Dems should love it.  They're people who are actively working to make Texas blueish purple.  So naturally, he probably wouldn't know how to operate a gun.  But keep blaming guns for gun violence.  A gun won't just go off and kill someone if left alone on a desk for days on end.


"Johnson said the injured employee was a 20-year experienced range safety officer who had worked at other ranges and served in the military. "

Yep, he clearly has no idea how to handle a firearm. And no doubt voted for Obama. Cause he's black, ya know.
 
2013-12-15 11:50:09 PM  
img.fark.netReally? I'm the first?
 
2013-12-15 11:50:22 PM  
I'm surprised this hasn't happened at Shooter's World in Tampa yet. It's like a shooting range in a Wal-Mart... The staff responsible for the range guns are clueless and careless... We couldn't even load a 14 round magazine fully because it was so dirty.
 
2013-12-15 11:57:52 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm surprised this hasn't happened at Shooter's World in Tampa yet. It's like a shooting range in a Wal-Mart... The staff responsible for the range guns are clueless and careless... We couldn't even load a 14 round magazine fully because it was so dirty.


"Shooter's World." Sounds like they have radio ads that go "Sunday Sunday Sunday! Come on down to Shooter's World for our 18-hour free givaway of used magazines! We've got thousands! And they all must go!"
 
2013-12-15 11:58:32 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: 'm waiting for the luxury crossbow indoor shooting range

...

racheltsoumbakos.files.wordpress.com

With zombies? Please say there'll be zombies ...
 
2013-12-16 12:04:28 AM  
ROFL at scope placed on crossbow.
 
2013-12-16 12:13:20 AM  

Yogimus: ROFL at scope placed on crossbow.


www.gamersky.us

But that was my favorite weapon in Half Life 2! Well, next to the Gravity Gun. Because nothing was more awesome than the Gravity Gun.
 
2013-12-16 12:13:53 AM  

SithLord: wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.

Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.

So much THIS.

Frisco is the California transplant town.  Dems should love it.  They're people who are actively working to make Texas blueish purple.  So naturally, he probably wouldn't know how to operate a gun.  But keep blaming guns for gun violence.  A gun won't just go off and kill someone if left alone on a desk for days on end.


Yeah... About that. They just brought sushi and better burgers with them. These are the people who left California because it was liberal. So as soon as they get to Frisco they move to the right of the Tea Party. The city of Frisco is separated from black Dallas by many miles of toll roads.
 
2013-12-16 12:25:49 AM  
Keep the booger hook off the bang switch.
 
2013-12-16 12:31:43 AM  

SithLord: wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.

Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.

So much THIS.

Frisco is the California transplant town.  Dems should love it.  They're people who are actively working to make Texas blueish purple.  So naturally, he probably wouldn't know how to operate a gun.  But keep blaming guns for gun violence.  A gun won't just go off and kill someone if left alone on a desk for days on end.


So, let me get this straight... you're saying it's a good idea to leave a loaded gun on a desk for days on end? Huh. Okay.
 
2013-12-16 12:36:17 AM  

robrr2003: BSABSVR: Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.

That has never happened.


By Fark he means the voices in his head.
 
2013-12-16 12:36:35 AM  

DrBenway: you're saying it's a good idea to leave a loaded gun on a desk for days on end?


It makes a bangin' paperweight.
 
2013-12-16 12:40:08 AM  
reading this thread from Frisco and getting a kick

//in & out suuuuuuucks
 
2013-12-16 01:14:44 AM  

TwistedIvory: Step one: Drop magazine / eject rounds from cylinder.
Step two: Clear chamber.
Step three: Double- and triple-check clear chamber.
Step four: NOW proceed with cleaning.


Step 2.5 move all ammunition and magazines to at the very least another table

/that's how I do it
 
2013-12-16 01:17:33 AM  
Employee shoots himself while cleaning a gun.  Yep, sounds like professionals work at that place.
 
2013-12-16 01:37:21 AM  

reubendaley: HeadLever: Government Fromage: I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.

Yeah, that can be frustrating. Bore sighters are typically pretty good at getting you on paper at 100 yrds, but there are always exceptions.

I had to chase a broken scope all over the place once.  Not fun when you are just wasting ammo.

Can't you just set your target closer to you for the first shot?


This place has those electronic things to send the target out and the minimum was 25 yards. I couldn't hit anything from there lol
 
2013-12-16 01:49:52 AM  

TwistedIvory: Step one: Drop magazine / eject rounds from cylinder.
Step two: Clear chamber.
Step three: Double- and triple-check clear chamber.
Step four: NOW proceed with cleaning.


These are the motherfarkers that chop off their fingers with bandsaws. Cocky imbeciles. What the fark is wrong with people. It's not a farking game.

/vet
 
2013-12-16 04:38:22 AM  

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html.

Knowing how awesome the media is at reporting about guns, I bet he didn't even "shoot" his hand. One of the articles indicated a grazing wound on the employee's palm. He was probably close to racking the slide to clear a no-fire when it finally went off. The front/rear sight probably cut a nice groove in his palm.


My thoughts, too. Or perhaps mid-rack and hit by casing shrapnel.
 
2013-12-16 04:54:15 AM  

devastation station: Step 2.5 move all ammunition and magazines to at the very least another table

/that's how I do it


I can understand and admire being extra cautious, but that seems borderline OCD. The mags and ammo are not going to involuntarily jump into the gun while you're cleaning it. But that's just my take...I strongly believe you should follow whatever methods you're comfortable with.
 
2013-12-16 08:33:01 AM  

cosmiquemuffin: [img.fark.net image 850x478]Really? I'm the first?

yes, I can't believe nobody posted the "upperclass twit of the year" either


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ba1OKY7Xc&feature=player_detailpage #t =201
 
2013-12-16 09:15:17 AM  

El Pachuco: kqc7011: Sounds like someone does not know the difference between Clearing and Cleaning.
Two very different operations.
A hangfire is always a possibility when clearing after the primer has been struck and the round does not go off.
But one should never cover anything with the muzzle at any time.
However sometimes one will when clearing a round and there is no way around it.

31 years using guns, , pistols, rifles, shktguns, automatic weapons. Thousands of rounds, brand new, reloads, military surplus, stuff stored for decades...

...and never one single hang fire. I've been waiting, and it's always a hard primer or weak strike.

This guy was dicking around and dropped hammer on a live chamber, end of story, end of excuses.


Had one in my .357 just this year. Reload ammo bought when it was all that was available. Training takes over, but damn... Holding it pointing downrange waiting for the bang after you already dropped the hammer is stressful. Clearing the hang fire in a revolver was stressful too. Once the round was on the ground, big sigh of relief.
Had one in my .45 last year. That was just cheap a$$ ammo. It only took 5 seconds to go bang.

Figure I should be good to go for life now. No more cheap ass ammo or store bought reloads for me.
 
2013-12-16 10:27:01 AM  

Government Fromage: I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.


Laser bore sights are awesome!  If you've got something steady to use as a rest, aim at a spot about 25 yards away.  Click in your scope (or even iron sites) so that the red laser dot is what you're pointing at.  At that point, it's aimed as if you were able to hit something with a perfect straight line.  AR-15s typically hit about 1 1/2 inches low at 25 yards (assuming you're dialed in for 100 yards), so you'll definitely hit paper if you use a laser bore sight.  Love 'em, and have one for every rifle caliber I have (except .22lr).
 
2013-12-16 10:40:22 AM  
Guns are cool
War is cool
 
2013-12-16 11:22:55 AM  

reubendaley: Can't you just set your target closer to you for the first shot?


Generally, yes.

With my example, the broken scope would not hold a consistent point with repect to the bore.  First you would be high-left until the next shot.  Then low left, then back high right.  Sometimes you would hit paper then adjust the scope.  Next shot wouldn't even hit paper.

At least it was wild enough for me to quicky ascertain that the scope was faulty.  What really drives you crazy is when the scope does the same thing, but only in 3 MOA increments instead of 20 MOA
 
2013-12-16 11:46:08 AM  
I've dealt with a couple of jammed rounds in friends' guns, and frankly, its a terrifying experience. Its not an excuse.
 
2013-12-16 12:12:05 PM  

stevarooni: Government Fromage: I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.

Laser bore sights are awesome!  If you've got something steady to use as a rest, aim at a spot about 25 yards away.  Click in your scope (or even iron sites) so that the red laser dot is what you're pointing at.  At that point, it's aimed as if you were able to hit something with a perfect straight line.  AR-15s typically hit about 1 1/2 inches low at 25 yards (assuming you're dialed in for 100 yards), so you'll definitely hit paper if you use a laser bore sight.  Love 'em, and have one for every rifle caliber I have (except .22lr).


THIS!!! Bore Sights have saved my friends and I plenty of money in wasted ammo. I even recommend using it if your gunsmith installs the scope.
 
2013-12-16 12:55:45 PM  

Flashlight: There is no such thing as an accidental discharge. Only a negligent discharge.


I came here to say exactly that.

Biner: I can understand and admire being extra cautious, but that seems borderline OCD


Good weapons-handling discipline SHOULD be borderline OCD.   You do it exactly the same way (IE by the book) every single time without variation, creativity, or improvisation.   You repeat it until doing it the right way becomes instinctive and reflexive.

That's why it's called DISCIPLINE.
 
2013-12-16 01:00:42 PM  

DrBenway: you're saying it's a good idea to leave a loaded gun on a desk for days on end


Depends on whether or not the desk is in a secure area or not.   A secured storage area can be as small as a shoebox or as big as a warehouse.
 
2013-12-16 01:03:11 PM  

HeadLever: With my example, the broken scope would not hold a consistent point with repect to the bore. First you would be high-left until the next shot. Then low left, then back high right. Sometimes you would hit paper then adjust the scope. Next shot wouldn't even hit paper.


That's why you always shoot a 3-5 shot group from a bench rest or sandbag before adjusting your sights.
 
2013-12-16 01:47:45 PM  
clyph:Good weapons-handling discipline SHOULD be borderline OCD.   You do it exactly the same way (IE by the book) every single time without variation, creativity, or improvisation.   You repeat it until doing it the right way becomes instinctive and reflexive.

That's why it's called DISCIPLINE.


I agree with all of your points, and I'm plenty methodical about weapons handling, but moving the ammo to another table is making the assumption that you don't have the discipline to keep a round from jumping off the table and into the chamber of the weapon. As I said to the OP, I respect his desire to do it that way, but personally, I can keep the ammo on the same table without worrying about the gun loading itself.
 
2013-12-16 02:40:28 PM  

HeadLever: reubendaley: Can't you just set your target closer to you for the first shot?

Generally, yes.

With my example, the broken scope would not hold a consistent point with repect to the bore.  First you would be high-left until the next shot.  Then low left, then back high right.  Sometimes you would hit paper then adjust the scope.  Next shot wouldn't even hit paper.

At least it was wild enough for me to quicky ascertain that the scope was faulty.  What really drives you crazy is when the scope does the same thing, but only in 3 MOA increments instead of 20 MOA


:-P  Yikes.  As the saying goes, "It's easier to find a $1,000,000 mistake than a 5¢ one."  Which is reason enough never to skimp on scope rings, and at least don't go to the bargain basement for your scope.
 
2013-12-16 10:34:30 PM  

Biner: devastation station: Step 2.5 move all ammunition and magazines to at the very least another table

/that's how I do it

I can understand and admire being extra cautious, but that seems borderline OCD. The mags and ammo are not going to involuntarily jump into the gun while you're cleaning it. But that's just my take...I strongly believe you should follow whatever methods you're comfortable with.


Store all mags and ammo in a locked storage shed 2 towns over while cleaning.

//I keed
 
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