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2013-12-15 10:18:30 PM  

C18H27NO3: When I had a 30-06 and would have a misfire I would always feel uneasy pulling the bolt back to eject the unspent bullet.
In the back of my mind I would expect the worst. (Not sure of the likelihood of anything actually happening, though).


Hang fire, you mean?  Yeah, I can understand that, but...if you wait 15-30 seconds, it's probably not going to go off.  If the cartridge  does fire in the process of ejecting the cartridge, it's definitely not cool, but it's not going to have anything near the velocity of a bullet with all of the pressure of going through a barrel as the powder burns.
 
2013-12-15 10:22:16 PM  
Oy gevalt!

www.homevideos.com
 
2013-12-15 10:23:09 PM  

iheartscotch: That's just what everyone says when they unintentionally discharge a weapon. It is physically impossible to discharge a weapon while cleaning it. For one, you have to eject the mag clip and clear the chamber first. Then, you check 3 times to see that there isn't a round in the chamber. Then, you should partially dissemble the gun in question. At no time in this process should you reintroduce the mag clip.


Jesus, do you know nothing about guns?
 
2013-12-15 10:42:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: And for Cthulhu's sake, keep your goddamn booger-hook off the bang-switch.


the firearm discharged during the process of a jam.  The injury may very well have been from gas blowback and not from the projectile hitting his hand.  Given one article says it was during cleaning and another says it was a jam during normal operation, i think we need more information.

stevarooni: Hang fire, you mean?  Yeah, I can understand that, but...if you wait 15-30 seconds, it's probably not going to go off.


Had a FTF one time with my Mosin-Nagant.  THAT pill is one that I dont want to get any blowback over.
 
2013-12-15 10:45:09 PM  
It happened in Frisco.  I could care fark-all about what happens in Frisco.  Rich entitled-acting asshats.

/Irving native
//Frisco was the sticks in my day
///lawn, off, etc.
 
2013-12-15 10:51:33 PM  
Guns don't clean people....
 
2013-12-15 10:52:32 PM  

o5iiawah: Benevolent Misanthrope: And for Cthulhu's sake, keep your goddamn booger-hook off the bang-switch.

the firearm discharged during the process of a jam.  The injury may very well have been from gas blowback and not from the projectile hitting his hand.  Given one article says it was during cleaning and another says it was a jam during normal operation, i think we need more information.

stevarooni: Hang fire, you mean?  Yeah, I can understand that, but...if you wait 15-30 seconds, it's probably not going to go off.

Had a FTF one time with my Mosin-Nagant.  THAT pill is one that I dont want to get any blowback over.


Oh damn.  That must have been special.
 
2013-12-15 10:58:49 PM  
I'm waiting for the luxury crossbow indoor shooting range, not to be outdone, of course, by the luxury hand-grenade indoor tossing range.
 
2013-12-15 11:00:47 PM  

HeadLever: Government Fromage: I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.

Yeah, that can be frustrating. Bore sighters are typically pretty good at getting you on paper at 100 yrds, but there are always exceptions.

I had to chase a broken scope all over the place once.  Not fun when you are just wasting ammo.


Can't you just set your target closer to you for the first shot?
 
2013-12-15 11:03:01 PM  
I'm guessing they had really good appetizers?
 
2013-12-15 11:03:17 PM  
i was juz trollin'  cause guns be like, sirious bidness.

sometimes the absurdity and necessity of monkeys with chemical explosives compels me
 
2013-12-15 11:03:28 PM  

Giltric: Now I am positive that Mayor Bloomberg is an admin here.


I don't often agree with you, but when I do, I agree 110%
 
2013-12-15 11:04:42 PM  

El Pachuco: kqc7011: Sounds like someone does not know the difference between Clearing and Cleaning.
Two very different operations.
A hangfire is always a possibility when clearing after the primer has been struck and the round does not go off.
But one should never cover anything with the muzzle at any time.
However sometimes one will when clearing a round and there is no way around it.

31 years using guns, , pistols, rifles, shktguns, automatic weapons. Thousands of rounds, brand new, reloads, military surplus, stuff stored for decades...

...and never one single hang fire. I've been waiting, and it's always a hard primer or weak strike.

This guy was dicking around and dropped hammer on a live chamber, end of story, end of excuses.


I had a 22 slam fire when chambering a round.  But since I'm not retarded it was pointed away from me and just blew a hole in the carpet and made a tiny crater in the concrete sub floor.  And put a few bits of concrete and lead barely into the skin around my ankle.  We laughed.
 
2013-12-15 11:05:36 PM  
I had a failure to fire of some cheap Chinese .223 yesterday while sighting in my new EOTech. Creeped me right out, the primer had a big dent in it and everything.
 
2013-12-15 11:20:52 PM  
Dallas, huh? Well, we all know who's to blame.
www.sitcomsonline.com
or
obrag.org
 
2013-12-15 11:20:56 PM  

BSABSVR: Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.


That has never happened.
 
2013-12-15 11:22:00 PM  

gopher321: e.g. Personal masturbatory rooms for the higher class of gun fetishist


DRINK!!
 
2013-12-15 11:23:51 PM  

cubic_spleen: I laugh when gun nuts accidentally shoot each other, because they are all stupid cowards; and the fewer stupid cowards in the world, the better.


1/10
 
2013-12-15 11:26:01 PM  

Medic Zero: cubic_spleen: I laugh when gun nuts accidentally shoot each other, because they are all stupid cowards; and the fewer stupid cowards in the world, the better.

1/10


Hey now, be nice. That was a very brave thing for him to say.
 
2013-12-15 11:30:18 PM  

wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.

Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.


So much THIS.

Frisco is the California transplant town.  Dems should love it.  They're people who are actively working to make Texas blueish purple.  So naturally, he probably wouldn't know how to operate a gun.  But keep blaming guns for gun violence.  A gun won't just go off and kill someone if left alone on a desk for days on end.
 
2013-12-15 11:43:52 PM  

SithLord: wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.

Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.

So much THIS.

Frisco is the California transplant town.  Dems should love it.  They're people who are actively working to make Texas blueish purple.  So naturally, he probably wouldn't know how to operate a gun.  But keep blaming guns for gun violence.  A gun won't just go off and kill someone if left alone on a desk for days on end.


"Johnson said the injured employee was a 20-year experienced range safety officer who had worked at other ranges and served in the military. "

Yep, he clearly has no idea how to handle a firearm. And no doubt voted for Obama. Cause he's black, ya know.
 
2013-12-15 11:50:09 PM  
img.fark.netReally? I'm the first?
 
2013-12-15 11:50:22 PM  
I'm surprised this hasn't happened at Shooter's World in Tampa yet. It's like a shooting range in a Wal-Mart... The staff responsible for the range guns are clueless and careless... We couldn't even load a 14 round magazine fully because it was so dirty.
 
2013-12-15 11:57:52 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm surprised this hasn't happened at Shooter's World in Tampa yet. It's like a shooting range in a Wal-Mart... The staff responsible for the range guns are clueless and careless... We couldn't even load a 14 round magazine fully because it was so dirty.


"Shooter's World." Sounds like they have radio ads that go "Sunday Sunday Sunday! Come on down to Shooter's World for our 18-hour free givaway of used magazines! We've got thousands! And they all must go!"
 
2013-12-15 11:58:32 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: 'm waiting for the luxury crossbow indoor shooting range

...

racheltsoumbakos.files.wordpress.com

With zombies? Please say there'll be zombies ...
 
2013-12-16 12:04:28 AM  
ROFL at scope placed on crossbow.
 
2013-12-16 12:13:20 AM  

Yogimus: ROFL at scope placed on crossbow.


www.gamersky.us

But that was my favorite weapon in Half Life 2! Well, next to the Gravity Gun. Because nothing was more awesome than the Gravity Gun.
 
2013-12-16 12:13:53 AM  

SithLord: wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.

Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.

So much THIS.

Frisco is the California transplant town.  Dems should love it.  They're people who are actively working to make Texas blueish purple.  So naturally, he probably wouldn't know how to operate a gun.  But keep blaming guns for gun violence.  A gun won't just go off and kill someone if left alone on a desk for days on end.


Yeah... About that. They just brought sushi and better burgers with them. These are the people who left California because it was liberal. So as soon as they get to Frisco they move to the right of the Tea Party. The city of Frisco is separated from black Dallas by many miles of toll roads.
 
2013-12-16 12:25:49 AM  
Keep the booger hook off the bang switch.
 
2013-12-16 12:31:43 AM  

SithLord: wildcardjack: Frisco is mostly Californians, so it's not representative of Texas.

Srsly, it's where they put the first In-N-Out when they came to town. It was packed open to close for weeks.

So much THIS.

Frisco is the California transplant town.  Dems should love it.  They're people who are actively working to make Texas blueish purple.  So naturally, he probably wouldn't know how to operate a gun.  But keep blaming guns for gun violence.  A gun won't just go off and kill someone if left alone on a desk for days on end.


So, let me get this straight... you're saying it's a good idea to leave a loaded gun on a desk for days on end? Huh. Okay.
 
2013-12-16 12:36:17 AM  

robrr2003: BSABSVR: Fark assures me that people are never shot at gun clubs.

That has never happened.


By Fark he means the voices in his head.
 
2013-12-16 12:36:35 AM  

DrBenway: you're saying it's a good idea to leave a loaded gun on a desk for days on end?


It makes a bangin' paperweight.
 
2013-12-16 12:40:08 AM  
reading this thread from Frisco and getting a kick

//in & out suuuuuuucks
 
2013-12-16 01:14:44 AM  

TwistedIvory: Step one: Drop magazine / eject rounds from cylinder.
Step two: Clear chamber.
Step three: Double- and triple-check clear chamber.
Step four: NOW proceed with cleaning.


Step 2.5 move all ammunition and magazines to at the very least another table

/that's how I do it
 
2013-12-16 01:17:33 AM  
Employee shoots himself while cleaning a gun.  Yep, sounds like professionals work at that place.
 
2013-12-16 01:37:21 AM  

reubendaley: HeadLever: Government Fromage: I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.

Yeah, that can be frustrating. Bore sighters are typically pretty good at getting you on paper at 100 yrds, but there are always exceptions.

I had to chase a broken scope all over the place once.  Not fun when you are just wasting ammo.

Can't you just set your target closer to you for the first shot?


This place has those electronic things to send the target out and the minimum was 25 yards. I couldn't hit anything from there lol
 
2013-12-16 01:49:52 AM  

TwistedIvory: Step one: Drop magazine / eject rounds from cylinder.
Step two: Clear chamber.
Step three: Double- and triple-check clear chamber.
Step four: NOW proceed with cleaning.


These are the motherfarkers that chop off their fingers with bandsaws. Cocky imbeciles. What the fark is wrong with people. It's not a farking game.

/vet
 
2013-12-16 04:38:22 AM  

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: markie_farkie: According to this, the employee was attempting to clear a jammed gun when it fired..

http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/frisco-gun-club-employee-in ju red-on-shooting-range.html.

Knowing how awesome the media is at reporting about guns, I bet he didn't even "shoot" his hand. One of the articles indicated a grazing wound on the employee's palm. He was probably close to racking the slide to clear a no-fire when it finally went off. The front/rear sight probably cut a nice groove in his palm.


My thoughts, too. Or perhaps mid-rack and hit by casing shrapnel.
 
2013-12-16 04:54:15 AM  

devastation station: Step 2.5 move all ammunition and magazines to at the very least another table

/that's how I do it


I can understand and admire being extra cautious, but that seems borderline OCD. The mags and ammo are not going to involuntarily jump into the gun while you're cleaning it. But that's just my take...I strongly believe you should follow whatever methods you're comfortable with.
 
2013-12-16 08:33:01 AM  

cosmiquemuffin: [img.fark.net image 850x478]Really? I'm the first?

yes, I can't believe nobody posted the "upperclass twit of the year" either


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ba1OKY7Xc&feature=player_detailpage #t =201
 
2013-12-16 09:15:17 AM  

El Pachuco: kqc7011: Sounds like someone does not know the difference between Clearing and Cleaning.
Two very different operations.
A hangfire is always a possibility when clearing after the primer has been struck and the round does not go off.
But one should never cover anything with the muzzle at any time.
However sometimes one will when clearing a round and there is no way around it.

31 years using guns, , pistols, rifles, shktguns, automatic weapons. Thousands of rounds, brand new, reloads, military surplus, stuff stored for decades...

...and never one single hang fire. I've been waiting, and it's always a hard primer or weak strike.

This guy was dicking around and dropped hammer on a live chamber, end of story, end of excuses.


Had one in my .357 just this year. Reload ammo bought when it was all that was available. Training takes over, but damn... Holding it pointing downrange waiting for the bang after you already dropped the hammer is stressful. Clearing the hang fire in a revolver was stressful too. Once the round was on the ground, big sigh of relief.
Had one in my .45 last year. That was just cheap a$$ ammo. It only took 5 seconds to go bang.

Figure I should be good to go for life now. No more cheap ass ammo or store bought reloads for me.
 
2013-12-16 10:27:01 AM  

Government Fromage: I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.


Laser bore sights are awesome!  If you've got something steady to use as a rest, aim at a spot about 25 yards away.  Click in your scope (or even iron sites) so that the red laser dot is what you're pointing at.  At that point, it's aimed as if you were able to hit something with a perfect straight line.  AR-15s typically hit about 1 1/2 inches low at 25 yards (assuming you're dialed in for 100 yards), so you'll definitely hit paper if you use a laser bore sight.  Love 'em, and have one for every rifle caliber I have (except .22lr).
 
2013-12-16 10:40:22 AM  
Guns are cool
War is cool
 
2013-12-16 11:22:55 AM  

reubendaley: Can't you just set your target closer to you for the first shot?


Generally, yes.

With my example, the broken scope would not hold a consistent point with repect to the bore.  First you would be high-left until the next shot.  Then low left, then back high right.  Sometimes you would hit paper then adjust the scope.  Next shot wouldn't even hit paper.

At least it was wild enough for me to quicky ascertain that the scope was faulty.  What really drives you crazy is when the scope does the same thing, but only in 3 MOA increments instead of 20 MOA
 
2013-12-16 11:46:08 AM  
I've dealt with a couple of jammed rounds in friends' guns, and frankly, its a terrifying experience. Its not an excuse.
 
2013-12-16 12:12:05 PM  

stevarooni: Government Fromage: I picked up one of those laser boresighter doohickies at Gander Mountain for $30. It shapped like a 223 casing and goes in the chamber. I'm going to give it a try this week. Not sure how well it will do but hopefully at least get me hitting the target. Last week was a waste of time at the range. I was turning the knobs on the scope randomly hoping to at least get on paper.

Laser bore sights are awesome!  If you've got something steady to use as a rest, aim at a spot about 25 yards away.  Click in your scope (or even iron sites) so that the red laser dot is what you're pointing at.  At that point, it's aimed as if you were able to hit something with a perfect straight line.  AR-15s typically hit about 1 1/2 inches low at 25 yards (assuming you're dialed in for 100 yards), so you'll definitely hit paper if you use a laser bore sight.  Love 'em, and have one for every rifle caliber I have (except .22lr).


THIS!!! Bore Sights have saved my friends and I plenty of money in wasted ammo. I even recommend using it if your gunsmith installs the scope.
 
2013-12-16 12:55:45 PM  

Flashlight: There is no such thing as an accidental discharge. Only a negligent discharge.


I came here to say exactly that.

Biner: I can understand and admire being extra cautious, but that seems borderline OCD


Good weapons-handling discipline SHOULD be borderline OCD.   You do it exactly the same way (IE by the book) every single time without variation, creativity, or improvisation.   You repeat it until doing it the right way becomes instinctive and reflexive.

That's why it's called DISCIPLINE.
 
2013-12-16 01:00:42 PM  

DrBenway: you're saying it's a good idea to leave a loaded gun on a desk for days on end


Depends on whether or not the desk is in a secure area or not.   A secured storage area can be as small as a shoebox or as big as a warehouse.
 
2013-12-16 01:03:11 PM  

HeadLever: With my example, the broken scope would not hold a consistent point with repect to the bore. First you would be high-left until the next shot. Then low left, then back high right. Sometimes you would hit paper then adjust the scope. Next shot wouldn't even hit paper.


That's why you always shoot a 3-5 shot group from a bench rest or sandbag before adjusting your sights.
 
2013-12-16 01:47:45 PM  
clyph:Good weapons-handling discipline SHOULD be borderline OCD.   You do it exactly the same way (IE by the book) every single time without variation, creativity, or improvisation.   You repeat it until doing it the right way becomes instinctive and reflexive.

That's why it's called DISCIPLINE.


I agree with all of your points, and I'm plenty methodical about weapons handling, but moving the ammo to another table is making the assumption that you don't have the discipline to keep a round from jumping off the table and into the chamber of the weapon. As I said to the OP, I respect his desire to do it that way, but personally, I can keep the ammo on the same table without worrying about the gun loading itself.
 
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