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((Americans for Democratic Action)   John Kerry is more liberal than Ted Kennedy. Here comes the political science   (adaction.org) divider line 428
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2004-01-24 05:52:02 PM  
SkunkApe
Bronze star, purple heart earns it these days.
 
2004-01-24 05:52:22 PM  
Have we all forgotten about the rule that states that any "science" that has to have the word science in it isn't really a science? (Political science, creation science, etc)

/biology major
 
2004-01-24 05:52:26 PM  
This is old news. This was brought up and discussed on both Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh on Thursday.
 
2004-01-24 05:52:50 PM  


Insulting my penis size, huh? I shall beat you to death with my hockey stick!
 
2004-01-24 05:55:26 PM  
Isn't it funny when someone talks about someone else having a low IQ when their own post has about a hundred misspellings in it.
 
2004-01-24 05:55:53 PM  
SkunkApe

War hero? What does it take to earn that moniker these days?

It means, first of all, that this was over 30 years ago, not "these" days. It means to have actually seen combat, not like our president in his zuchinni-stuffed flightsuit. It means to actually have rescued someone or performed with valor, not to have sent troops to fight a battle that is meaningless like, oh, Iraq.

Or something like that.
 
2004-01-24 05:55:58 PM  
I'd love to, but no Flash Photography is allowed in here:
 
2004-01-24 05:56:46 PM  
Actually, it was far better than this on the radio.

At least they discussed the issues and votes on which Chappaquiddick (sp?) Ted and Kerry voted for/against/abstained.

Jeez, bandwidth doesn't cost so much as to delve into it a bit further than an 'LQ' chart, does it?
 
2004-01-24 05:56:58 PM  
Kerry isn't my first choice but you can say anything you want about what Kerry did with "medals" but that will never change the facts of his actions in wartime that earned the medals.

There are guys who throw their medals off bridges etc pawned them for booze. let's face it they are a pretty pale reward compared to the true comraderie and memories of heroic actions.
 
2004-01-24 05:57:01 PM  


So, Dan Letoilet, what size penis do YOU look for in your president?
 
2004-01-24 05:57:12 PM  
How is it a "Liberal Quotient" if the score is a sum...?
 
2004-01-24 05:58:08 PM  
The public thinks he's a war-hero. When they find out about the medal incident, they will think he's a loser.

what's the big deal about the medal incident? whether they were his medals or someone elses, kerry coulda bought replacement ones at the nearest military base for about $10.00.

Kerry could easily win the democrat nomination and the presidential election. GWB better be hoping Dean gets the nom.
 
2004-01-24 05:58:13 PM  
Irrespective of who wins the election, government will grow in size, and personal liberty will shrink. George Bush has done more to undermine the personal freedom of every American in 8 months than Clinton did in 8 years, and he was NO friend of Liberty!

Until we dump these bastards from both parties and start electing Libertarians, the whole thing will suck worse and worse every coming year, and that's a promise.

Go to www.lp.org for more info.
 
2004-01-24 05:58:43 PM  
Hyernel
Damn well said.
 
2004-01-24 05:59:53 PM  
Just a side note.... "here comes the science" has been on the tagline for about 6 articles today...
 
2004-01-24 06:01:56 PM  
Dear Hyernel,

Are you insane? You say that if you are not a liberal democrat then you are a treason and moving away from the normal.

I guess call me an aberrant treason then. Becuase I am not liberal and I am not a democrat.
 
2004-01-24 06:02:48 PM  
I'm not a Thomas Jefferson fan but I think we would agree he was a pretty smart fellow. He was also a notorious misspeller. He once wrote to a young friend "it takes a poor mind that can't come up with at least two ways to spell a word." Not exactly exact qoute but it was 20 years ago that I read it.
 
2004-01-24 06:02:52 PM  
[Then there's the absurd strawman liberalism that lying right-wing pundits have invented, that doesn't actually exist outside OxyContin fuelled hallucinations.]

Well...we *could* just call'em all socialists and eco-nutjobs with the odd thug for color but it's easier to just say 'liberal' and be done with it.
 
2004-01-24 06:03:47 PM  
Blahpers...

Because it's all divided by 1. Duh.
 
2004-01-24 06:03:49 PM  
Hyernel,

Not to be picky, but weren't the Federalist Papers (James Madison, Hamilton, and J. Jay) the framework upon which the constitution was built?
 
2004-01-24 06:04:11 PM  
what's the big deal about the medal incident?

You just know Rove has an attack ad in the can ready to point out that the "war hero" threw away his medals, then said he didn't, then said he threw away ribbons, and then says he threw away someone else's medals.

Mr Kerry: Are you proud that you threw away some medals?
Mr Kerry: If you were proud, why didn't you throw away yours?
Mr Kerry: If you were not proud, why did you do it?
Mr Kerry: Why did you allow people to think you did throw away your medals for so long? Why the cover-up?
Mr Kerry: When did you change your story and why did you change it?

It's just too ugly to contemplate... :(

Much safer to just vote for Dean or Edwards instead of blowing another election with this guy.
 
2004-01-24 06:04:40 PM  


Oh, just ask my wife.
 
2004-01-24 06:04:46 PM  
Hyernel

Of course you are going to get flayed alive for saying it by people who think that they are the "true patriots" but that is how the country was founded.
Oh so far from today's reality.
 
2004-01-24 06:05:38 PM  
Weaver95
[Then there's the absurd strawman liberalism that lying right-wing pundits have invented, that doesn't actually exist outside OxyContin fuelled hallucinations.]

Well...we *could* just call'em all socialists and eco-nutjobs with the odd thug for color but it's easier to just say 'liberal' and be done with it.

Or we could just say that they actually care about the state of humanity, not just about the state of their bank account.
 
2004-01-24 06:05:44 PM  
Feltonl-- Treason is an act. A person who commits treason is a traitor.
 
2004-01-24 06:06:24 PM  
let the rightwing smearing of the new frontrunner begin...

/typical
 
2004-01-24 06:08:32 PM  
No today. Sigh.
 
2004-01-24 06:08:43 PM  
[Or we could just say that they actually care about the state of humanity, not just about the state of their bank account.]

Oh,please. Do you seriously expect me to believe that AL SHARPTON cares about anyone other than himself? Ted Kennedy? Hillary Clinton? They don't give a damn about anyone except themselves. At least the earlier generation of democrats were actively hostile to thier voter base, unlike the current crop that infest the halls of Congress.

Some poster children for humanity on the left side of the aisle, lemme tell you.
 
2004-01-24 06:09:08 PM  
Kerry and Dean will both intentionally blow Dem's chances in the election for their Yale brother Bush.
 
2004-01-24 06:09:53 PM  
[At least the earlier generation of democrats were actively hostile to thier voter base, unlike the current crop that infest the halls of Congress.]

Er...should have read 'Weren't actively hostile...'

sorry. got carried away.
 
2004-01-24 06:10:10 PM  
Hyernel: Our founding fathers supported a small government with limited control over the states. Guess which party that is?

If you say democrat...you're wrong.
 
2004-01-24 06:10:39 PM  
"Here comes... the most overused cliche in FARK history."

4 times ALREADY today. Give it a rest, already.
 
2004-01-24 06:10:44 PM  
biffman,

There were many factors, both left and right wing, that played in the founding of the country. To say any one factor, be it Jeffersonian thought or anything else, was 'it' is kinda missing the point.
 
2004-01-24 06:13:39 PM  
Feltonl

I guess call me an aberrant treason then. Becuase I am not liberal and I am not a democrat.

Okay! If you insist!

(It's "traitor," by the way.)
 
2004-01-24 06:13:43 PM  
[Our founding fathers supported a small government with limited control over the states. Guess which party that is?]

Actually Hyernel is right. This is a fair translation of 'classic' liberalism to modern day political thought. Where he goes off the rails is with his denial of 'modern' liberalism - which got eaten by the marxists and socalists during the mid to late 60's.

Want to really make liberals uncomfortable tho? Point out which party freed the slaves and has the better historical record on civil rights. It ain't the democrats, let me tell you.
 
2004-01-24 06:13:46 PM  
SquirrelWithLargeNuts


Well, it's certainly not the Republican Party either. And the Libertarian Party is unfortunately infested with all sorts of nutjobs and won't see it's rise within my lifetime, I think.
 
2004-01-24 06:13:51 PM  
When are we gonna get a "common sense" party. It's either the commies or the christian right!
 
2004-01-24 06:14:00 PM  
All this commotion over who gets to lose to Bush in November...

tsk tsk tsk
 
2004-01-24 06:14:50 PM  
You just know Rove has an attack ad in the can ready to point out that the "war hero" threw away his medals,

i doubt it... then kerry would just respond, "and what war medals does (do?) GWB have to throw away?"

Rove won't bring that one up at all.

throwing away medals doesn't throw away the fact that Kerry was a war hero.
 
2004-01-24 06:14:54 PM  
I agree Goblin King
 
2004-01-24 06:14:56 PM  
Weaver95
[Or we could just say that they actually care about the state of humanity, not just about the state of their bank account.]

Oh,please. Do you seriously expect me to believe that AL SHARPTON cares about anyone other than himself? Ted Kennedy? Hillary Clinton? They don't give a damn about anyone except themselves. At least the earlier generation of democrats were actively hostile to thier voter base, unlike the current crop that infest the halls of Congress.
Some poster children for humanity on the left side of the aisle, lemme tell you.


I will concede on the issue. All have their imperfections. So let me rephrase.

Or we could say that most, more often than not, care about the state of humanity, not just the state of their bank account.
 
2004-01-24 06:15:09 PM  
kethares,

If I may make an amendment to your point:

Kerry and Dean will both unwittingly blow their chances in the election for their party leaders, the Clintons, who will wait till the 'Bushes' are clear in 2008 to make another grab at the White House.

Hillary can't run now, and she can't afford to lose against a strong opponent; thus, she runs in 2008, but she can't do that if there is an incumbent democrat in office, right?
 
2004-01-24 06:16:48 PM  
biffman

Thanks.

Already the right-wingnut harpies are kneejerking and spitting at me!!

It's like watching a cage full of angry chimps at the zoo.
 
2004-01-24 06:17:16 PM  
"Hillary can't run now, and she can't afford to lose against a strong opponent; thus, she runs in 2008, but she can't do that if there is an incumbent democrat in office, right?"

Exactly why the Clintons will do everything in their power to see that no democrate wins the white house this year!
 
2004-01-24 06:17:24 PM  
Who is Brooke? I consider myself a political junkie but I have no idea who he is. Looks to be the Zel Miller of the 'Publicans.
 
2004-01-24 06:17:25 PM  
Since CadetHappy hasn't answered yet, does anyone have the source for his third story, mentioned many posts ago???? It has intrigued me, to say the least and I would like to actually read some objective news regarding it, rather than basing my entire knowledge on this board. No offense.
 
2004-01-24 06:17:50 PM  
thus, she runs in 2008,

Good god, I hope not.

but she can't do that if there is an incumbent democrat in office, right?

Well, she could but it's considered terribly poor form. Even if she does run in 2008, the people had better be pissed off incredibly at the Republicans. There are still a lot of god-fearing folk who think it's a sin for women to "usurp" authority over a man.
 
2004-01-24 06:18:00 PM  
Want to really make liberals uncomfortable tho? Point out which party freed the slaves and has the better historical record on civil rights. It ain't the democrats, let me tell you.

Ha. And it most certainly is NOT the Republican party of today. Laughable.
 
2004-01-24 06:19:25 PM  
Newmoonpuppyhead, you are wrong!
 
2004-01-24 06:19:46 PM  
TheGoblinKing

Of course you are right. There were several Founding Fathers, that gave flavor to the early American experiment.

I only use "Jefferson" as a easily agreed upon leader of the movement, to avoid typing all those other names. But yes, mad props to all the Founders!!
 
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