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(Salon)   Stoners, psychedelic drug users, Timothy Leary, and Deadheads are responsible for the creation of the CIA   (salon.com) divider line 65
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2013-12-15 11:17:28 AM  
What, the unlikely tag take the day off or something?
 
2013-12-15 11:22:55 AM  
I thought it was a direct result of when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2013-12-15 11:28:17 AM  
Stoners..........always farking things up.
 
2013-12-15 11:33:04 AM  
You're trippin'
 
2013-12-15 11:33:37 AM  
Bill Donovan was a crackhead?
 
2013-12-15 11:57:28 AM  
I found this article to be far out, solid and right on, man!
 
2013-12-15 12:44:07 PM  
RTFA.  The CIA existed first and created a monster from their drug experiments.
 
2013-12-15 12:49:17 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: RTFA.  The CIA existed first and created a monster from their drug experiments.


But enough about Nancy Reagan!
 
2013-12-15 12:51:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: RTFA.  The CIA existed first and created a monster from their drug experiments.


A Fark headline contradicted by the article?
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-15 12:56:14 PM  
Except for the whole WWI deal.
 
2013-12-15 02:04:47 PM  
Would you Baby Boomers just farking die already?
 
2013-12-15 02:52:41 PM  
I read that as psychedelic furs.
 
2013-12-15 02:55:38 PM  
Kind of makes me want to reread The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. Been a while.
 
2013-12-15 03:00:12 PM  
LSD is harmless

so is weed, booze, crack, meth, heroin, oxycontin, glue, etc.


at least if you are selling the above.  using is a whole different matter......
 
2013-12-15 03:05:10 PM  

new_york_monty: Kind of makes me want to reread The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. Been a while.


You're either on the bus, or you're off the bus. And no left turn unstoned.
 
2013-12-15 03:07:20 PM  
One could sometimes mail-order LBMs from the back of Sci-Fi mags back in the fifties.
 
2013-12-15 03:08:38 PM  
I did what?
 
2013-12-15 03:11:17 PM  
Sunken logs in rivers caused the CIA?
 
2013-12-15 03:11:57 PM  
LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.
 
2013-12-15 03:14:01 PM  
fta

Hoffmann did observe that the animals became somewhat restless during the experiments, but this was not considered to be very interesting and the compound was shelved.

However, there was something of the genius about Hoffmann. He had "insights" and "hunches" that normal people just don't have. Science is supposed to be an entirely logical enterprise. However, every scientist knows this is not entirely true. Really good scientists have an instinct about how things work. Where it comes from, nobody knows.


When did Salon switch from hiring college drop-outs to using high school drop-outs?.
 
2013-12-15 03:16:59 PM  
I will not read it on the lawn,
I will not read it while I'm gone,
I will not read it when I yawn,
I will not read this thing, Salon
 
2013-12-15 03:18:26 PM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Sunken logs in rivers caused the CIA?


kneeobliteration.files.wordpress.com

Is is just me, or did you recently reread Huckleberry Finn as well?
 
2013-12-15 03:22:38 PM  

wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.


Been there, done that, bought the tie-died t-shirt.
 
2013-12-15 03:24:02 PM  
They all think he's a righteous dude.
 
2013-12-15 03:26:50 PM  
Didn't they cover most of the CIA drug experiments in "The Men Who Stare At Goats"?

/fantastic book, btw. I highly recommend it
//good movie too
 
2013-12-15 03:30:20 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Wake Up Sheeple: Sunken logs in rivers caused the CIA?

[kneeobliteration.files.wordpress.com image 264x389]

Is is just me, or did you recently reread Huckleberry Finn as well?


Nope. I don't even remember that part.
 
2013-12-15 03:33:13 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.

Been there, done that, bought the tie-died t-shirt.


Doesn't count unless the t-shirt is made of natural woven hemp.

Or if you tie-dyed it yourself.
 
2013-12-15 03:39:42 PM  
I don't get it.

1. The CIA predates these experiments
2. The article mentions nothing of the what the headline says

Is there some kind of subtle, meta humor I'm not getting?
 
2013-12-15 03:46:39 PM  

i.r.id10t: Danger Avoid Death: wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.

Been there, done that, bought the tie-died t-shirt.

Doesn't count unless the t-shirt is made of natural woven hemp.

Or if you tie-dyed it yourself.


Dude, I'm too old to be a hipster. Though my friends and I did tie-dye our own t-shirts, right before the Ventura Dead show the year it was cancelled because Jerry had a major tooth infection or something. I think it was '86 or  '87.
 
2013-12-15 03:52:31 PM  
Meh. A lot of name dropping and the article totally runs out of steam after Leary. Salon sucks.
 
2013-12-15 04:01:46 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: fta

Hoffmann did observe that the animals became somewhat restless during the experiments, but this was not considered to be very interesting and the compound was shelved.

However, there was something of the genius about Hoffmann. He had "insights" and "hunches" that normal people just don't have. Science is supposed to be an entirely logical enterprise. However, every scientist knows this is not entirely true. Really good scientists have an instinct about how things work. Where it comes from, nobody knows.

When did Salon switch from hiring college drop-outs to using high school drop-outs?.


In complete and total fairness, they have a point.

Scientist has a hunch called a "Hypothesis"
Scientist designs way to test hunch called "Experiment"
Scientist uses Experiment to prove or disprove Hypothesis to within a certain degree of statistical rigorousness.  .
 
2013-12-15 04:03:43 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: i.r.id10t: Danger Avoid Death: wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.

Been there, done that, bought the tie-died t-shirt.

Doesn't count unless the t-shirt is made of natural woven hemp.

Or if you tie-dyed it yourself.

Dude, I'm too old to be a hipster. Though my friends and I did tie-dye our own t-shirts, right before the Ventura Dead show the year it was cancelled because Jerry had a major tooth infection or something. I think it was '86 or  '87.


FYI, it was Ventura '86 that was cancelled, and the major toothache was actually a diabetic coma.

/Dylan and the Dead 1986: The Worst Tour Evar
 
2013-12-15 04:10:48 PM  

super_grass: I don't get it.

1. The CIA predates these experiments
2. The article mentions nothing of the what the headline says

Is there some kind of subtle, meta humor I'm not getting?


Looks like someone forgot to drop acid before reading the article.
 
2013-12-15 04:13:14 PM  

LibertyHiller: Danger Avoid Death: i.r.id10t: Danger Avoid Death: wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.

Been there, done that, bought the tie-died t-shirt.

Doesn't count unless the t-shirt is made of natural woven hemp.

Or if you tie-dyed it yourself.

Dude, I'm too old to be a hipster. Though my friends and I did tie-dye our own t-shirts, right before the Ventura Dead show the year it was cancelled because Jerry had a major tooth infection or something. I think it was '86 or  '87.

FYI, it was Ventura '86 that was cancelled, and the major toothache was actually a diabetic coma.

/Dylan and the Dead 1986: The Worst Tour Evar


Yeah. I saw that in Anaheim. When they cut power to the recording section it was the only time I ever heard "boos" at a Dead show. And when Dylan tried to sing, his voice kept giving out and Bobby Weir had to take over for him. Also, when we entered the stadium, we had to dump our boda (sic) bags, and they only had water in them for Christsakes.
 
2013-12-15 04:13:24 PM  
So this guy copied the Encyclopedia Britannica entry on LSD and sold it to Salon as an "article"?
 
2013-12-15 04:15:57 PM  

Linux_Yes: LSD is harmless

so is weed, booze, crack, meth, heroin, oxycontin, glue, etc.


at least if you are selling the above.  using is a whole different matter......


The potential harm is mainly in not knowing what you are getting or not knowing how to use what you are getting (with the notable exception of glue from your list, which is inherently unsafe to inhale). In other words, the war on drugs makes drug use much more of a safety risk.

wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.


Even better is LSD taken together with mescaline. Better yet is LSD, mescaline, and either a k-hole dosage of ketamine or a 4th plateau dosage of DXM. It's not just consciousness-expanding, it's more like consciousness-exploding.
 
2013-12-15 04:23:41 PM  

wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.


I've been wanting to use it for years, and I still haven't, and I'm already 40 :( There are so many drugs I've yet to use, and so little time. . .
 
2013-12-15 04:23:46 PM  
I farking Love the Grateful Dead.
 
2013-12-15 04:24:13 PM  

Mugato: Would you Baby Boomers just farking die already?


But then where would you get the inspiration for your user names and memes?
 
2013-12-15 04:27:14 PM  
"Stoners, psychedelic drug users, Timothy Leary, and Deadheads are responsible for the creation of the CIA"

Wait a minute. Strike that. Reverse it. Thank you.

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-12-15 04:59:38 PM  
I think you got the order backwards subby.

The CIA created stoners, deadheads, etc...
 
2013-12-15 05:11:06 PM  

meyerkev: Zeb Hesselgresser: fta

Hoffmann did observe that the animals became somewhat restless during the experiments, but this was not considered to be very interesting and the compound was shelved.

However, there was something of the genius about Hoffmann. He had "insights" and "hunches" that normal people just don't have. Science is supposed to be an entirely logical enterprise. However, every scientist knows this is not entirely true. Really good scientists have an instinct about how things work. Where it comes from, nobody knows.

When did Salon switch from hiring college drop-outs to using high school drop-outs?.

In complete and total fairness, they have a point.

Scientist has a hunch called a "Hypothesis"
Scientist designs way to test hunch called "Experiment"

Scientist uses Experiment to prove or disprove Hypothesis to within a certain degree of statistical rigorousness.


Your defense of  The Scientific Method,is admirable, but misplaced. My comment was directed at the trite prose, not the subject matter. I regret not making that more clear.
 
2013-12-15 05:36:54 PM  
I vaguely remember going years ago to the Great Highway ballroom in San Francisco (we just called it Playland; - where Chet Helms had moved his Family Dog music venue). It wasn't a Family Dog music event that night, but rather a kind of guru-a-thon, with all kinds of "teachers." I think Steve Gaskin spoke, along with assorted far east guys in robes, etc.

Anyway, while standing in line to get in, some wild looking hippy guy danced up and down the line banging on an acoustic guitar that had no back and had maybe 3 strings. He also carried a very large clear plastic bag full of small white pills, which he handed out by the fistful. Turned out to be very pure LSD. I must have gotten 70-100 in the handful he gave to me.

Strange days.
 
2013-12-15 05:38:13 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: I think you got the order backwards subby.

The CIA created stoners, deadheads, etc...


When you have a French style student revolution threatening the establishment, you gotta nip it in the bud, Andy! If they high they won't resist or cause an insurrection. Drugs won the drug war and prevented another civil war probably.
 
2013-12-15 06:23:55 PM  
Allen Dulles is dead
No, no, he's outside
Watching you masturbate
 
2013-12-15 06:58:36 PM  

Nappy Imus: wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.

I've been wanting to use it for years, and I still haven't, and I'm already 40 :( There are so many drugs I've yet to use, and so little time. . .


It's worth finding, but its really rare anymore, unfortunately.
 
2013-12-15 07:01:12 PM  
you need a big powerful agency

if you're going to try and hide The Truth
from people.
 
2013-12-15 07:04:45 PM  

LibertyHiller: Danger Avoid Death: i.r.id10t: Danger Avoid Death: wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.

Been there, done that, bought the tie-died t-shirt.

Doesn't count unless the t-shirt is made of natural woven hemp.

Or if you tie-dyed it yourself.

Dude, I'm too old to be a hipster. Though my friends and I did tie-dye our own t-shirts, right before the Ventura Dead show the year it was cancelled because Jerry had a major tooth infection or something. I think it was '86 or  '87.

FYI, it was Ventura '86 that was cancelled, and the major toothache was actually a diabetic coma.

/Dylan and the Dead 1986: The Worst Tour Evar


Saw Dylan with Tom Petty. Same year. It was bloody awful.
 
2013-12-15 07:17:44 PM  
Finally! Here's proof that we deadheads actually ACCOMPLISHED something!

/Other than the mass-marketing of kind veggie burritos
 
2013-12-15 07:23:48 PM  
It was while tripping my brains out in 1991 that I realized that The Man had only just begun its campaign to bring Hell to Earth. Or my idea of Hell anyway, where there were microphones and videocams and tracking devices literally all over the place, where the only privacy you have is inside your head -- and only when you don't talk in your sleep or show by your body language that you're thinking unapproved thoughts. How odd that my perhaps drug-fueled "psychotic symptoms" turned out to be commonplace parts of everyday reality 20 years later.

By the way, to stop the NSA from tracking you and perhaps listening in on everything around you you have to take the battery out of your cell phone. You know those recent stories about the FBI being able to turn your laptop's camera on without the indicator light going on? And you do know that cell phones can be hacked into being on while seeming to be off, right? The only way to keep Them from using your toys against you is to cut off power to your toys. Since y'all are too weak and dumb to cut off "Big Brother's" power, I mean.

By the way, are you SURE you don't have conversations in your sleep? And how sure are you that you Significant Other is not really an enemy spy? Take heart: if you leave your cell phone near the bed without first rendering it powerless you don't need your very own CIA agent. You already know that the cell phone can send voices as well as record them: perhaps you've been secretly interrogated already. And perhaps you've been programmed/hypnotized into, say, walking into Interstate traffic. "Wilma needs a mink coat."

Remember, we've already established that today's "tinfoil paranoia" is tomorrow's Washington Post article. Until "They" decide to censor every medium they can get their grubby claws into, of course.

The next 10 years are going to be perversely fun for me. I'll be gloating myself silly and guffawing myself hoarse at you and what you let "the world" do to you. With a particularly bitter personal edge to it too: most of y'all are the kind of "Normals" who made my childhood & adolescence hell for me, very much like people who either bullied and harassed me or stood around and laughed. And the funny part is my pre-adolescent revenge fantasies were silly wastes of time, as there's no need to do anything to people who do worse to themselves.

Mark my words: I'm going to be asking you, time and time again, "How does it feel to be living out someone else's psychosis? How does it feel for someone's imaginary hell to be your real life?"

Pro-tip: don't ever piss off anybody who might be a government agent or be in cahoots with one. You do realize that machinery meant to work against "terrorists" for political reasons can also be used against you for personal ones, right? You don't have to do anything illegal or terroristic, all you have to do is get noticed by the wrong person. Hint: don't forget to check your personal electronic devices for kiddie porn you didn't put there.

That said, people really ought to stop writing science fiction: you're only giving Them ideas.
 
2013-12-15 07:24:57 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.

Been there, done that, bought the tie-died t-shirt.

solved the meaning of life, but then I forgot it.

FTFY
 
2013-12-15 07:25:45 PM  

The One True TheDavid: That said, people really ought to stop writing science fiction: you're only giving Them ideas.


Obama's stealing yr money and giving it to poor people. So they can buy flatscreens.
Mad?
 
2013-12-15 07:33:25 PM  
I remember I got a gallon of vodka into the 2nd night of RFK '89.Oh, wait, wrong substance.
 
2013-12-15 08:25:30 PM  

The One True TheDavid: It was while tripping my brains out in 1991 that I realized that The Man had only just begun its campaign to bring Hell to Earth. Or my idea of Hell anyway, where there were microphones and videocams and tracking devices literally all over the place, where the only privacy you have is inside your head -- and only when you don't talk in your sleep or show by your body language that you're thinking unapproved thoughts. How odd that my perhaps drug-fueled "psychotic symptoms" turned out to be commonplace parts of everyday reality 20 years later.

By the way, to stop the NSA from tracking you and perhaps listening in on everything around you you have to take the battery out of your cell phone. You know those recent stories about the FBI being able to turn your laptop's camera on without the indicator light going on? And you do know that cell phones can be hacked into being on while seeming to be off, right? The only way to keep Them from using your toys against you is to cut off power to your toys. Since y'all are too weak and dumb to cut off "Big Brother's" power, I mean.

By the way, are you SURE you don't have conversations in your sleep? And how sure are you that you Significant Other is not really an enemy spy? Take heart: if you leave your cell phone near the bed without first rendering it powerless you don't need your very own CIA agent. You already know that the cell phone can send voices as well as record them: perhaps you've been secretly interrogated already. And perhaps you've been programmed/hypnotized into, say, walking into Interstate traffic. "Wilma needs a mink coat."

Remember, we've already established that today's "tinfoil paranoia" is tomorrow's Washington Post article. Until "They" decide to censor every medium they can get their grubby claws into, of course.

The next 10 years are going to be perversely fun for me. I'll be gloating myself silly and guffawing myself hoarse at you and what you let "the world" do to you. With a particularly bitter pe ...



LOL.  As if they haven't already thought of that and placed hidden backup batteries that power those functions, and placed cameras and microphones in things that don't traditionally have them.

*watches as he tears apart everything he owns*
 
2013-12-15 10:03:49 PM  
oh no I guess I was a victim of the CIA...! ;-)
 
2013-12-15 10:44:44 PM  
Drop out, tune in, but like REALLLY tune in. ;)
 
2013-12-15 10:57:58 PM  
I don't know, it must have been the roses

i28.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-15 11:11:37 PM  

The One True TheDavid: It was while tripping my brains out in 1991 that I realized that The Man had only just begun its campaign to bring Hell to Earth. Or my idea of Hell anyway, where there were microphones and videocams and tracking devices literally all over the place, where the only privacy you have is inside your head -- and only when you don't talk in your sleep or show by your body language that you're thinking unapproved thoughts. How odd that my perhaps drug-fueled "psychotic symptoms" turned out to be commonplace parts of everyday reality 20 years later.

By the way, to stop the NSA from tracking you and perhaps listening in on everything around you you have to take the battery out of your cell phone. You know those recent stories about the FBI being able to turn your laptop's camera on without the indicator light going on? And you do know that cell phones can be hacked into being on while seeming to be off, right? The only way to keep Them from using your toys against you is to cut off power to your toys. Since y'all are too weak and dumb to cut off "Big Brother's" power, I mean.

By the way, are you SURE you don't have conversations in your sleep? And how sure are you that you Significant Other is not really an enemy spy? Take heart: if you leave your cell phone near the bed without first rendering it powerless you don't need your very own CIA agent. You already know that the cell phone can send voices as well as record them: perhaps you've been secretly interrogated already. And perhaps you've been programmed/hypnotized into, say, walking into Interstate traffic. "Wilma needs a mink coat."

Remember, we've already established that today's "tinfoil paranoia" is tomorrow's Washington Post article. Until "They" decide to censor every medium they can get their grubby claws into, of course.

The next 10 years are going to be perversely fun for me. I'll be gloating myself silly and guffawing myself hoarse at you and what you let "the world" do to you. With a particularly bitter personal edge to it too: most of y'all are the kind of "Normals" who made my childhood & adolescence hell for me, very much like people who either bullied and harassed me or stood around and laughed. And the funny part is my pre-adolescent revenge fantasies were silly wastes of time, as there's no need to do anything to people who do worse to themselves.

Mark my words: I'm going to be asking you, time and time again, "How does it feel to be living out someone else's psychosis? How does it feel for someone's imaginary hell to be your real life?"

Pro-tip: don't ever piss off anybody who might be a government agent or be in cahoots with one. You do realize that machinery meant to work against "terrorists" for political reasons can also be used against you for personal ones, right? You don't have to do anything illegal or terroristic, all you have to do is get noticed by the wrong person. Hint: don't forget to check your personal electronic devices for kiddie porn you didn't put there.

That said, people really ought to stop writing science fiction: you're only giving Them ideas.


You mean they didn't build this massive security state to capture the .001 percent of the worlds terrorist population?

Huh, never thought about that.

/ They don't know the extent of what Snowden discovered and they might be worried about John Doe?
 
2013-12-15 11:13:43 PM  

chitlenz: Nappy Imus: wildcardjack: LSD should be on everyone's bucket list.

I've been wanting to use it for years, and I still haven't, and I'm already 40 :( There are so many drugs I've yet to use, and so little time. . .

It's worth finding, but its really rare anymore, unfortunately.


Build my own laboratory you say? Yes. . .yesss. . . ~Rubs hands together Goringly~
 
2013-12-15 11:17:35 PM  
Were the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, and dickheads also involved?
 
2013-12-16 12:17:56 AM  
So, really, drug users are job creators. Look how many people are employed by the CIA.
 
2013-12-16 01:47:53 AM  
I thought the KGB created the whole peace love and drugs movement in the US? Did I read that somewhere or just imagine it while not not licking toads?
 
2013-12-16 04:38:44 AM  
Actually, it's the other way around.

And don't forget how the CIA created the Women's Lib Movement.

/ta-daaa .. more taxpayers; just like that
 
2013-12-16 01:55:32 PM  

illannoyin: I thought the KGB created the whole peace love and drugs movement in the US? Did I read that somewhere or just imagine it while not not licking toads?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures

They were funding it to some degree.  Heck that was one of the major points in the Long Telegram, back in 1947.

Depending on your political beliefs and personal level of anti-KGB paranoia, I've heard people extrapolate this to: "The KGB wanted to win, realized The Cold War was an economic battle, and therefore farked us up royally by funding/leading via patsy, at least in part and among other things:
* The entire anti-nuclear power movement
* The entire Vietnam War movement
* Most Liberal Arts Departments (that whole "America is the root of all evil" thing they've got going is convenient)
* A lot of Keynesian Economics research
* The continuing emphasis on the War On Poverty
* Black Power movements
* Pretty much everything that people to the left of Pat Robertson and Tea Party Members believe

And then go on to say things like 'win the war and lose the peace'."

/And then because they're usually doing this in contexts where cites would be inappropriate, they don't actually cite anything.  And I have a feeling that I'd find the cites fascinating one way or the other (assuming that they actually existed).
//Among other things, there's apparently a 2004 CDC study on socialized medicine that got a result of "Oh, FARK no".
 
2013-12-16 03:42:01 PM  

cc_rider: I don't know, it must have been the roses

[i28.photobucket.com image 400x223]


Maybe..
 
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