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(Newser)   The War on Christmas existed long before Fox News. In the 17th century, it was an indisputable fact: Boston Puritans canceled Christmas for 22 years, and those caught celebrating were hit with a fine   (newser.com) divider line 40
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2013-12-15 12:50:37 PM
5 votes:
So our Christian founders would have been happy with the "War on Christmas" as described by FOX.

Excellent.
2013-12-15 05:13:49 PM
4 votes:
The wish "Happy Holidays" has been around for centuries, as have the holy days which it is used for: the Twelve Days of Christmas, New Years, Epiphany, and nowadays, Solstice, Festivus, Kwanzaa, Eastern Orthodox Christmas, Diwali, Hannakuh, etc.

X-mas is as old as printing and was first used by printers to save type and ink. It is composed of the Greek Letter Chi, or X, the first letter in the Name of Christ, or Xpistos where x is chi, p is rho, etc.

You can see the first two letters of Christos on a lot of church furniture and vessels, in the form of a P superimposed on an X.

And so it goes, and so it goes. Bill O'Reilly is a Roman Catholic. There are few Christians so ignorant of the Bible as Roman Catholics. They were actively discouraged from reading it for centuries. Hymn-singing and Bible-reading are big Protestant things that the Church has adopted to only since the 1960s.

This "War on Christmas" agit-prop is just mean-spirited, unChristian ranting that thinly disguises bigotry and intolerance of diversity.

Personally, the Puritans might have had the right idea: abolish the Pagan-Popish Christmas. Keep a quiet Christmas in Church or in your prayers and leave the feasting, the gifts, the visiting and all the whorish ways of the God of This World to the heathen.

But human nature being what it is, the holidays keep coming back and with them all the Pagan, Roman Catholic, Protesant, and Commercial clap-trap that is Christmas.

Personally, it is, with the possible exception of Valentine's Day, my least favourite holiday and the blustering bully boy of holidays. No other holiday is so demanding, self-righteous, annoying, over-sold, artificial, wasteful, idiotic or godless.

I am sure that it is nice to have something to celebrate around the Solstice, which is the longest night and shortest day of the year. The fact that so many religions felt the need for a feast day (or rather weeks) at this time, when almost no agricultural work is done and Nature conspires to bury us in darkness and cold and death and misery, shows the real meaning of the Season: it is Hell on Earth.

I wish they would STFU! Isn't Christmas miserable enough without Puritans worrying that somebody, somewhere might be enjoying themselves? Because let's face it:  this is the same lot of people who apologize for the Pre-Revelatiton Scrooge. They are back-biting pinheads who just want to ensure that Christmas is spoiled for everybody who isn't one of them. What if Jesus were One of us! One of us! One of us! We know who the real freaks are.

When Ambroise Bierce wrote his poem on the subject, he nailed it. This is my Christmas Carole and Night Before Christmas:

I dreamed I stood upon a hill, and, lo!
The godly multitudes walked to and fro
Beneath, in Sabbath garments fitly clad,
With pious mien, appropriately sad,
While all the church bells made a solemn din-
A fire-alarm to those who lived in sin.
Then saw I gazing thoughtfully below,
With tranquil face, upon that holy show
A tall, spare figure in a robe of white,
Whose eyes diffused a melancholy light.
"God keep you, strange," I exclaimed.
"You are No doubt (your habit shows it) from afar;
And yet I entertain the hope that you,
Like these good people, are a Christian too."
He raised his eyes and with a look so stern
It made me with a thousand blushes burn
Replied-his manner with disdain was spiced:
"What! I a Christian? No, indeed! I'm Christ."

Give the Holidays back to the Pagans who know how to have innocent fun and help their less fortunate neighborus, you F*cking Calvinists.
2013-12-15 12:23:44 PM
4 votes:
Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians? It's like a big wonder wheel of same ol' shiat.
2013-12-15 03:38:32 PM
3 votes:
The "War on Christmas" idea began with a pamphlet written by the John Birch Society and published in 1959 as part of the McCarthy era anti-communist witch hunts. The pamphlet "There Goes Christmas" claimed that there was a new communist plot to "take the Christ out of Christmas" by replacing Christmas decorations with United Nations iconography. The Society claimed this was part of a larger push to stamp out religion altogether and cede US sovereignty to the UN. They urged their members to boycott any stores with "inappropriate decorations".

It is no surprise that the son of the John Birch Society (aka Tea Party) has picked up on it.
2013-12-15 02:39:51 PM
3 votes:

edmo: Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians?


If by fleeing religious persecution, you mean left England because England was upset that they wanted to overthrow the Church of England and establish a new government with theocratic rule under their Church, then yes, they were fleeing religious persecution.
2013-12-15 02:39:22 PM
3 votes:

edmo: Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians? It's like a big wonder wheel of same ol' shiat.


Well, that 'persecution' was more like everyone telling them to stop being assholes.
2013-12-15 02:32:08 PM
3 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: So our Christian founders would have been happy with the "War on Christmas" as described by FOX.

Excellent.


Not to mention that Christmas did not become an official holiday until 1870 and our "Founding Fathers" spent the first December 25th after the ratification of the Constitution working since Congress was in session that day.
2013-12-15 01:12:36 PM
3 votes:
Puritans fought against Christmas because it encouraged idolatry.  The GOP fights for Christmas because it encourages idolatry.
2013-12-15 04:56:21 PM
2 votes:

AMonkey'sUncle: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.

See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.


Except James Madison wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not Jefferson. Jefferson was in France at the time the Constitution was ratified, and was only recently returned -- by a matter of some few days -- and made Secretary of State by Washington when the Bill of Rights was ratified. True, Jefferson, as Secretary of State, did "introduce" the Bill of Rights to the country, but it was written and championed by James Madison.
2013-12-15 04:51:56 PM
2 votes:
The War on Christmas is propaganda invented by the John Birch Society, an ultra-right wing anti-Communist group co-founded by the father of the Koch Brothers, funders of most of the right wing think tanks, Ayn Randite economics departments, and Tea Baggers of today. They have switched from Commies to non-Christian religions (Islam, Judaism, Hinduism), secularism, humanism, rationalism, science, and of course atheism, but they're still the same haters and nuts that they were in the 1950s.

Ironically, Papa Koch made his money servicing the oil and gas fields of Stalin's USSR. Ungrateful, wasn't he? But John Birch was a "hero" killed by the Red Chinese, not the Red Russians for flying a spy plane over Red China.

Same old, same old, as they say.
2013-12-15 04:48:53 PM
2 votes:

AMonkey'sUncle: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.

See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.


Jefferson wasn't even in the same hemisphere as the Constitutional Convention (being in France at the time).  Asking him about it and/or the BoR would be like asking Crispus Attucks about the Battle of Yorktown.  Who you want to reanimate is Madison, since he was much more involved in the creation of Constitution and especially the Bill of Rights.
2013-12-15 03:31:37 PM
2 votes:

ka1axy: edmo: Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians? It's like a big wonder wheel of same ol' shiat.

Apparently, the Church in England wasn't conservative enough for the Puritans. Kinda like the evangelical Christians.

I'm beginning to think their "persecution" might not have been wholly unjustified.


The Puritans were the fundamentalists of their day. They felt that the Church (Church of England) was too far away from the Bible and was too caught up in idolatry and riches so they set up their own "purified" churches based on a literal interpretation of the Bible. If it wasn't in there, they didn't do it. They celebrated no holidays but they did recognize the old English Harvest Home celebration because they couldn't cut out everything and didn't see anything wrong with the community getting together to thank God for a good harvest.
2013-12-15 03:28:23 PM
2 votes:

edmo: Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians? It's like a big wonder wheel of same ol' shiat.


They were rightfully persecuted for being jerks.
2013-12-15 03:25:43 PM
2 votes:

SearchN: So sick of people saying it's a war on Christmas. It's not. A vocal minority of atheist biatch, that's it. The majority don't care.

/agnostic
//married a ministers daughter


I don't think it's the atheists, so much as people of other faiths that got fed up with Christians saying the holiday was all theirs, and everyone else should STFU. For some reason it seems that many Christians want everyone to do things only THEIR way, and if anyone disagrees, they are 'persecuting' Christianity. There are many other faiths that follow different morals, beliefs, and of course Gods.

American Christian power brokers think it is just peachy to point at the bible and say 'God says so, so we are going to make everybody follow His word, and we're going to try and make it law, regardless of what others believe. And if anyone asks why there should be a law that is based on their faith, 'morality' and 'family values' are used to uphold their beliefs.

Now don't get me wrong, I believe it's a vocal minority of Christians that kicks around the 'religious persecution' ball. Christians I talk to seem as fed up with it as I am. They don't care if you say 'Happy Holidays' or 'Merry Christmas'. They don't care about the origins of the holiday. They just want to spend time with their family and celebrate the holiday in their way in the privacy of their house. Same with me.

Happy Holidays to you all. Cheer and fellowship also.

/// I just love slashies!
2013-12-15 03:17:20 PM
2 votes:

edmo: Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians? It's like a big wonder wheel of same ol' shiat.


Apparently, the Church in England wasn't conservative enough for the Puritans. Kinda like the evangelical Christians.

I'm beginning to think their "persecution" might not have been wholly unjustified.
2013-12-15 02:59:42 PM
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: farkbot42: catmandu: Benevolent Misanthrope: So our Christian founders would have been happy with the "War on Christmas" as described by FOX.

Excellent.

Not to mention that Christmas did not become an official holiday until 1870 and our "Founding Fathers" spent the first December 25th after the ratification of the Constitution working since Congress was in session that day.

This!

Why did our founding fathers hate Merica?

Christmas as we know it is a Victorian invention.  Certainly the current incarnation of Santa is.


Agreed. Victoria and Albert, being the good Germans that they were, brought a Christmas tree into the palace and soon everyone wanted one. They also promoted the idea of Christmas being all about family and the kiddies, not the drunken adult debauch it had been. Add in Dickens' Christmas Carol, Clement Moore's "Visit from St. Nicholas, and Thomas Nast's later drawings and you have the "Victorian Christmas"

Victoria and Albert and the kiddies (the illustration that sold a million trees):

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2013-12-15 02:58:38 PM
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: palelizard: edmo: Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians? It's like a big wonder wheel of same ol' shiat.

Well, that 'persecution' was more like everyone telling them to stop being assholes.

So, they originated the helphelpwerebeingoppressed.jpg meme too?


Oh God, yes!

Now, they were being thrown in prison by the government.  But,  that was mainly because they had chopped the king's head off and managed to drag England through a decade of effectively anarchistic fascism (yes, I know that sounds contradictory, but the Puritans tried really hard).  And their solution to being imprisoned was to figure out more ways to establish the Second Puritan Police State, so if anybody had some good old-fashioned oppression coming, it was the Puritans
2013-12-15 02:58:30 PM
2 votes:

walktoanarcade: Did the thread "discussing" plants get deleted? The one in which the article wrongly stated plants can't grow near wifi?

Really, I had something to do, and now after I check back it's gone. What gives?


Try a direct link:

http://www.fark.com/comments/8060565/Those-tomato-plants-you-have-in -b asement-by-your-WiFi-router-are-going-to-need-tin-foil-hats-as-well-if -you-want-them-to-succeed

And my opinion still stands that this is like the "microwaved water cannot grow plants" urban legend but with a new twist. People who start stuff like this need to have their heads banged hard with a hammer.
2013-12-15 02:56:01 PM
2 votes:
The progressive Calvinists started it all in Switzerland.  Separating church and state by making Catholic an executable offense.  Where are those progressive Calvinists today?
2013-12-15 02:51:41 PM
2 votes:

Frank N Stein: Puritanism was probably the shiattiest main-stream Christians sect this country has ever seen.


Oh no, Southern Baptists are still worse.  Puritans were all about the sexy-time, including sanctioned pre-martial diddling - and you could even have sex standing up.  And the less said about Missouri Synod Lutherans the better...
2013-12-15 02:50:34 PM
2 votes:

palelizard: edmo: Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians? It's like a big wonder wheel of same ol' shiat.

Well, that 'persecution' was more like everyone telling them to stop being assholes.


So, they originated the helphelpwerebeingoppressed.jpg meme too?
2013-12-15 02:50:19 PM
2 votes:
For many years Christmas was banned in the colonies. Let's be honest, the Founding Fathers didn't practice it.
2013-12-15 02:44:38 PM
2 votes:
Puritanism was probably the shiattiest main-stream Christians sect this country has ever seen.
2013-12-15 02:39:23 PM
2 votes:

StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.


Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.
2013-12-15 12:19:52 PM
2 votes:
Increase Mather was famous for many things, but my favorite is his exemplary explication of Calvinist Puritanism: Sleeping at Sermons Is A Great and Dangerous Evil. That is a fun piece to teach.
2013-12-15 05:01:00 PM
1 votes:
So what I got from this is that religious people have had a giant stick up their collective asses for as long as there have been religious people.
2013-12-15 04:43:46 PM
1 votes:

minoridiot: Since his birthday is coming up, how old is God?


In a dream once, I met a fellow called the Ancient of Days who was 15,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds old. Since that is one of the Names of God or Jesus (I met this character in a setting that looked like a cross between the sets of the movie Dr. Caligari and the folk art used on the box where they keep the Torah in Old-Timey Eastern European Synagogues) I would say that is as good a number as any. Do the math (31,556,926 seconds a year) and you will see that the Ancient of Days is many times older than the Universe.

That was some wild dream, which is why it is among the few I have remembered for decades.

Don't bother putting candles on his cake. Use an eight on its side.
2013-12-15 04:16:38 PM
1 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.


See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.
2013-12-15 03:51:45 PM
1 votes:
1. If God created the Universe, where did God come from? Note that "God is forever" is untestable and unique. If you use that so called logic, you open the door to Odin, Zeus, multiple gods, Gods that are now dead, and turtles "all the way down".

2. The universe is only "fine tuned" for life as we know it. Other forms of life could exist in a differently structured universe. And it's also possible that the current structure of the universe might be common, or even required, due to some underlying quantum mechanical constants we know nothing about.

3. Morality is a simple product driven by the desire to survive. Love, hate, good, evil, etc. all boils down to different levels of mutual cooperation or non-cooperation. This can also be seen down to the lowest levels of simple microorganisms. And if God is used to create "morality", you open the door to the question of why God kills children, allows war, etc. Religious hand waving of this question is not an answer. It's an self-invalidation of ANY understanding in the purpose of God.

4 Jesus is no more testable or historically reliable than Mohammed, Buddha, Moses, Osiris, and many others. It's that simple.

5. Contact with anything not consistent with the known, testable world is like dividing by zero, it makes no empirical sense, and could just as easily be used to morally validate the literally insane acts of David Koresh or Jim Jones. Such statements require testable proof, and proof not based on invalid, circular reasoning.
2013-12-15 03:27:06 PM
1 votes:
Its not christmas without Krampus. Or his racist Dutch cousin Zwärte Piet.
2013-12-15 03:08:12 PM
1 votes:
It's almost as if--now, I know this sounds totally crazy--it's almost as if the "War on Christmas" people are nitwits who are ignorant of everything outside of some warped daydream about what it was like in the 1950s when we kicked everybody's ass and non-superior people stayed in the fields and in the kitchen where they belonged.
2013-12-15 03:08:07 PM
1 votes:

Frank N Stein: Puritanism was probably the shiattiest main-stream Christians sect this country has ever seen.


"A puritan is a person who lives in abject fear that someone, somewhere, might be having a good time." -- H.L. Mencken
2013-12-15 03:07:22 PM
1 votes:

minoridiot: Since his birthday is coming up, how old is God?


5774
2013-12-15 03:05:11 PM
1 votes:

SearchN: So sick of people saying it's a war on Christmas. It's not. A vocal minority of atheist biatch, that's it. The majority don't care.

/agnostic
//married a ministers daughter


Atheists didn't start anything.  Bill O'Reilly got his panties in a bunch because people were using "Happy Holidays" - which had been occurring for decades.  I even have Christmas cards from my childhood (circa late 70s / early 80s with a farking Nativity below "Happy Holidays".  Saying atheists are responsible for the War on Christmas is like saying Poland is responsible for WWII because they were vocally not-Germany
2013-12-15 02:58:48 PM
1 votes:
Christians actively commercialized their biggest religious holidays. Christmas is a secular, commercialized event and it wasn't atheists, joos or muslims that did that,
2013-12-15 02:48:37 PM
1 votes:

desertfool: I'd like to celebrate Christmas like it was back then... A big drunken festival. Kind of like my Irish grandparents did when I was young.


You don't already?

/we start the morning with mimosas and go from there.
2013-12-15 02:45:22 PM
1 votes:
 The main reason Puritans didn't like Christmas was that it was a raucously popular holiday in late medieval England. Each year, rich landowners would throw open their doors to the poor and give them food and drink as an act of charity. The poorest man in the parish was named the "Lord of Misrule," and the rich would wait upon him at feasts that often descended into bawdy drunkenness. Such decadence never impressed religious purists. "Men dishonor Christ more in the 12 days of Christmas," wrote the 16th-century clergyman Hugh Latimer, "than in all the 12 months besides."
2013-12-15 02:44:14 PM
1 votes:

farkbot42: catmandu: Benevolent Misanthrope: So our Christian founders would have been happy with the "War on Christmas" as described by FOX.

Excellent.

Not to mention that Christmas did not become an official holiday until 1870 and our "Founding Fathers" spent the first December 25th after the ratification of the Constitution working since Congress was in session that day.

This!

Why did our founding fathers hate Merica?


Christmas as we know it is a Victorian invention.  Certainly the current incarnation of Santa is.

/So are elaborate tartans and most things "Scottish", BTW
2013-12-15 02:37:37 PM
1 votes:
Purtians - such butt-clenched buzzkills that even the British got sick of their sh*t & told them to GTFO.
2013-12-15 02:37:22 PM
1 votes:
It was called O-Psalm-A-Care. Most young people just paid the fine.
 
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