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(Newser)   The War on Christmas existed long before Fox News. In the 17th century, it was an indisputable fact: Boston Puritans canceled Christmas for 22 years, and those caught celebrating were hit with a fine   (newser.com) divider line 93
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2013-12-15 03:27:55 PM

phalamir: SearchN: So sick of people saying it's a war on Christmas. It's not. A vocal minority of atheist biatch, that's it. The majority don't care.

/agnostic
//married a ministers daughter

Atheists didn't start anything.  Bill O'Reilly got his panties in a bunch because people were using "Happy Holidays" - which had been occurring for decades.  I even have Christmas cards from my childhood (circa late 70s / early 80s with a farking Nativity below "Happy Holidays".  Saying atheists are responsible for the War on Christmas is like saying Poland is responsible for WWII because they were vocally not-Germany


No, atheists sued to get rid of "Christmas Vacation" and christmas concert with christian music out of public schools.  it's the same morons that sue to get "under god" removed from the pledge of allegiance, are offended by the ten commandments and nativity scenes in the common square.  In response we now have winter break and winter music festival.  They decorate the "giving tree", learn about Kwanza, still have the same days off.  (heck, they even have Good Friday off but they call it "spring day" (it's separate from spring break and always coincides with Good Friday, what a coincidence).  It has nothing to do with Fox News or Bill O'Reilly as I don't think the schools or atheists consulted them except for those people that get their panties in a bunch over Fox News and Bill O'reilly (or Limbaugh or Hannity or whoever else is the ebil conservaitve that dares call it Christmas).   Schools complied with the renaming but kept the days the same because they couldn't afford to have "Yom Kippur" happen to them with Christians.  They get paid by attendance days so if school was open on Christmas and Good Friday, they'd lose a bunch of money.  (a lot more than they lose during Jewish and Islamic and Atheist holidays).

I'm not sure if the atheists have gotten around to banning Handel, Bach and Mozart from the repertoire, but they will.  They'll be the next group to oppose school children seeing the statue of David on "separation of Church and State" grounds or Michelangelo and da Vinci paintings and frescoes.
 
2013-12-15 03:28:23 PM

edmo: Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians? It's like a big wonder wheel of same ol' shiat.


They were rightfully persecuted for being jerks.
 
2013-12-15 03:30:52 PM
I can imagine how 17th century Puritans would deal with people like Bill O'Reilly ( Irish and Papist ) or Sarah Palin ( Heretic)....

/ *evil chuckle*
 
2013-12-15 03:31:37 PM

ka1axy: edmo: Weren't the Puritans the Christians who founded our Christian country after fleeing religious persecution at home by Christians? It's like a big wonder wheel of same ol' shiat.

Apparently, the Church in England wasn't conservative enough for the Puritans. Kinda like the evangelical Christians.

I'm beginning to think their "persecution" might not have been wholly unjustified.


The Puritans were the fundamentalists of their day. They felt that the Church (Church of England) was too far away from the Bible and was too caught up in idolatry and riches so they set up their own "purified" churches based on a literal interpretation of the Bible. If it wasn't in there, they didn't do it. They celebrated no holidays but they did recognize the old English Harvest Home celebration because they couldn't cut out everything and didn't see anything wrong with the community getting together to thank God for a good harvest.
 
2013-12-15 03:32:13 PM

Frank N Stein: Puritanism was probably the shiattiest main-stream Christians sect this country has ever seen.


That's up for debate, depending on what passes for mainstream. I'd vote for Christian Science. The 19th century was known for a lot of bad sects.
 
2013-12-15 03:33:09 PM
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2013-12-15 03:35:06 PM

cyberspacedout: Frank N Stein: Puritanism was probably the shiattiest main-stream Christians sect this country has ever seen.

That's up for debate, depending on what passes for mainstream. I'd vote for Christian Science. The 19th century was known for a lot of bad sects.


Insert joke about ex here.
 
2013-12-15 03:35:37 PM
So the Founding Fathers banned Christmas...haha suck-it Glenn-Beck.
 
2013-12-15 03:38:32 PM
The "War on Christmas" idea began with a pamphlet written by the John Birch Society and published in 1959 as part of the McCarthy era anti-communist witch hunts. The pamphlet "There Goes Christmas" claimed that there was a new communist plot to "take the Christ out of Christmas" by replacing Christmas decorations with United Nations iconography. The Society claimed this was part of a larger push to stamp out religion altogether and cede US sovereignty to the UN. They urged their members to boycott any stores with "inappropriate decorations".

It is no surprise that the son of the John Birch Society (aka Tea Party) has picked up on it.
 
2013-12-15 03:42:31 PM

catmandu: It is no surprise that the son of the John Birch Society (aka Tea Party) has picked up on it.


I'll give them this:  much like other fundamentalist religious sects, they sure know how to hold onto a shiatty idea.
 
2013-12-15 03:49:53 PM

Danger Avoid Death: cyberspacedout: Frank N Stein: Puritanism was probably the shiattiest main-stream Christians sect this country has ever seen.

That's up for debate, depending on what passes for mainstream. I'd vote for Christian Science. The 19th century was known for a lot of bad sects.

Insert joke about ex here.


Why, did you run into trouble with ex communication?
 
2013-12-15 03:51:12 PM

cyberspacedout: Frank N Stein: Puritanism was probably the shiattiest main-stream Christians sect this country has ever seen.

That's up for debate, depending on what passes for mainstream. I'd vote for Christian Science. The 19th century was known for a lot of bad sects.


Bad sects are better than no sects at all.

Or am I thinking of something different?
 
2013-12-15 03:51:45 PM
1. If God created the Universe, where did God come from? Note that "God is forever" is untestable and unique. If you use that so called logic, you open the door to Odin, Zeus, multiple gods, Gods that are now dead, and turtles "all the way down".

2. The universe is only "fine tuned" for life as we know it. Other forms of life could exist in a differently structured universe. And it's also possible that the current structure of the universe might be common, or even required, due to some underlying quantum mechanical constants we know nothing about.

3. Morality is a simple product driven by the desire to survive. Love, hate, good, evil, etc. all boils down to different levels of mutual cooperation or non-cooperation. This can also be seen down to the lowest levels of simple microorganisms. And if God is used to create "morality", you open the door to the question of why God kills children, allows war, etc. Religious hand waving of this question is not an answer. It's an self-invalidation of ANY understanding in the purpose of God.

4 Jesus is no more testable or historically reliable than Mohammed, Buddha, Moses, Osiris, and many others. It's that simple.

5. Contact with anything not consistent with the known, testable world is like dividing by zero, it makes no empirical sense, and could just as easily be used to morally validate the literally insane acts of David Koresh or Jim Jones. Such statements require testable proof, and proof not based on invalid, circular reasoning.
 
2013-12-15 03:53:42 PM

cyberspacedout: Danger Avoid Death: cyberspacedout: Frank N Stein: Puritanism was probably the shiattiest main-stream Christians sect this country has ever seen.

That's up for debate, depending on what passes for mainstream. I'd vote for Christian Science. The 19th century was known for a lot of bad sects.

Insert joke about ex here.

Why, did you run into trouble with ex communication?


Yeah. She wouldn't shut up.
 
2013-12-15 04:01:38 PM
DAMN! Wrong thread! Mods, move this to the Fox thread! lol
 
2013-12-15 04:16:38 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.


See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.
 
2013-12-15 04:43:46 PM

minoridiot: Since his birthday is coming up, how old is God?


In a dream once, I met a fellow called the Ancient of Days who was 15,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds old. Since that is one of the Names of God or Jesus (I met this character in a setting that looked like a cross between the sets of the movie Dr. Caligari and the folk art used on the box where they keep the Torah in Old-Timey Eastern European Synagogues) I would say that is as good a number as any. Do the math (31,556,926 seconds a year) and you will see that the Ancient of Days is many times older than the Universe.

That was some wild dream, which is why it is among the few I have remembered for decades.

Don't bother putting candles on his cake. Use an eight on its side.
 
2013-12-15 04:48:53 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.

See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.


Jefferson wasn't even in the same hemisphere as the Constitutional Convention (being in France at the time).  Asking him about it and/or the BoR would be like asking Crispus Attucks about the Battle of Yorktown.  Who you want to reanimate is Madison, since he was much more involved in the creation of Constitution and especially the Bill of Rights.
 
2013-12-15 04:51:56 PM
The War on Christmas is propaganda invented by the John Birch Society, an ultra-right wing anti-Communist group co-founded by the father of the Koch Brothers, funders of most of the right wing think tanks, Ayn Randite economics departments, and Tea Baggers of today. They have switched from Commies to non-Christian religions (Islam, Judaism, Hinduism), secularism, humanism, rationalism, science, and of course atheism, but they're still the same haters and nuts that they were in the 1950s.

Ironically, Papa Koch made his money servicing the oil and gas fields of Stalin's USSR. Ungrateful, wasn't he? But John Birch was a "hero" killed by the Red Chinese, not the Red Russians for flying a spy plane over Red China.

Same old, same old, as they say.
 
2013-12-15 04:56:21 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.

See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.


Except James Madison wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not Jefferson. Jefferson was in France at the time the Constitution was ratified, and was only recently returned -- by a matter of some few days -- and made Secretary of State by Washington when the Bill of Rights was ratified. True, Jefferson, as Secretary of State, did "introduce" the Bill of Rights to the country, but it was written and championed by James Madison.
 
2013-12-15 05:01:00 PM
So what I got from this is that religious people have had a giant stick up their collective asses for as long as there have been religious people.
 
2013-12-15 05:02:12 PM
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Boston Puritan responsible?
 
2013-12-15 05:02:42 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: America is responsible for WWII. If they had pre-emptively striked like Bush did the war would not have occurred... duh.


You laugh, but I have heard people make exactly that argument.
 
2013-12-15 05:06:30 PM
Pointy Tail of Satan: 

2. The universe is only "fine tuned" for life as we know it.


Well, either that, or life is fine tuned for the universe...meaning all life forms *not* tuned for the universe...aren't here any more.

Either way, God doesn't have much to do with it (unless you happen to believe as I do, that God lit the fuse for the "Big Bang", then sat back to watch).

Alternatively, God may be at His keyboard, getting ready to smite me:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-15 05:06:42 PM
Screw the kids, bring back the drunken adult debauch.
 
2013-12-15 05:13:49 PM
The wish "Happy Holidays" has been around for centuries, as have the holy days which it is used for: the Twelve Days of Christmas, New Years, Epiphany, and nowadays, Solstice, Festivus, Kwanzaa, Eastern Orthodox Christmas, Diwali, Hannakuh, etc.

X-mas is as old as printing and was first used by printers to save type and ink. It is composed of the Greek Letter Chi, or X, the first letter in the Name of Christ, or Xpistos where x is chi, p is rho, etc.

You can see the first two letters of Christos on a lot of church furniture and vessels, in the form of a P superimposed on an X.

And so it goes, and so it goes. Bill O'Reilly is a Roman Catholic. There are few Christians so ignorant of the Bible as Roman Catholics. They were actively discouraged from reading it for centuries. Hymn-singing and Bible-reading are big Protestant things that the Church has adopted to only since the 1960s.

This "War on Christmas" agit-prop is just mean-spirited, unChristian ranting that thinly disguises bigotry and intolerance of diversity.

Personally, the Puritans might have had the right idea: abolish the Pagan-Popish Christmas. Keep a quiet Christmas in Church or in your prayers and leave the feasting, the gifts, the visiting and all the whorish ways of the God of This World to the heathen.

But human nature being what it is, the holidays keep coming back and with them all the Pagan, Roman Catholic, Protesant, and Commercial clap-trap that is Christmas.

Personally, it is, with the possible exception of Valentine's Day, my least favourite holiday and the blustering bully boy of holidays. No other holiday is so demanding, self-righteous, annoying, over-sold, artificial, wasteful, idiotic or godless.

I am sure that it is nice to have something to celebrate around the Solstice, which is the longest night and shortest day of the year. The fact that so many religions felt the need for a feast day (or rather weeks) at this time, when almost no agricultural work is done and Nature conspires to bury us in darkness and cold and death and misery, shows the real meaning of the Season: it is Hell on Earth.

I wish they would STFU! Isn't Christmas miserable enough without Puritans worrying that somebody, somewhere might be enjoying themselves? Because let's face it:  this is the same lot of people who apologize for the Pre-Revelatiton Scrooge. They are back-biting pinheads who just want to ensure that Christmas is spoiled for everybody who isn't one of them. What if Jesus were One of us! One of us! One of us! We know who the real freaks are.

When Ambroise Bierce wrote his poem on the subject, he nailed it. This is my Christmas Carole and Night Before Christmas:

I dreamed I stood upon a hill, and, lo!
The godly multitudes walked to and fro
Beneath, in Sabbath garments fitly clad,
With pious mien, appropriately sad,
While all the church bells made a solemn din-
A fire-alarm to those who lived in sin.
Then saw I gazing thoughtfully below,
With tranquil face, upon that holy show
A tall, spare figure in a robe of white,
Whose eyes diffused a melancholy light.
"God keep you, strange," I exclaimed.
"You are No doubt (your habit shows it) from afar;
And yet I entertain the hope that you,
Like these good people, are a Christian too."
He raised his eyes and with a look so stern
It made me with a thousand blushes burn
Replied-his manner with disdain was spiced:
"What! I a Christian? No, indeed! I'm Christ."

Give the Holidays back to the Pagans who know how to have innocent fun and help their less fortunate neighborus, you F*cking Calvinists.
 
2013-12-15 05:21:56 PM

catmandu: Not to mention that Christmas did not become an official holiday until 1870 and our "Founding Fathers" spent the first December 25th after the ratification of the Constitution working since Congress was in session that day.


Why did they hate America?
 
2013-12-15 05:24:54 PM

Danger Avoid Death: AMonkey'sUncle: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.

See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.

Except James Madison wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not Jefferson. Jefferson was in France at the time the Constitution was ratified, and was only recently returned -- by a matter of some few days -- and made Secretary of State by Washington when the Bill of Rights was ratified. True, Jefferson, as Secretary of State, did "introduce" the Bill of Rights to the country, but it was written and championed by James Madison.


John Rutledge would be among those who would argue with your claim "...James Madison wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights..."

Rutledge was Chairman of the Committee of Detail, which put together the first draft of the Constitution, laying out the majority of the document.
 
2013-12-15 05:39:27 PM
Your god should have pulled out Money shot indeed.
 
2013-12-15 05:48:40 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: Danger Avoid Death: AMonkey'sUncle: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.

See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.

Except James Madison wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not Jefferson. Jefferson was in France at the time the Constitution was ratified, and was only recently returned -- by a matter of some few days -- and made Secretary of State by Washington when the Bill of Rights was ratified. True, Jefferson, as Secretary of State, did "introduce" the Bill of Rights to the country, but it was written and championed by James Madison.

John Rutledge would be among those who would argue with your claim "...James Madison wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights..."

Rutledge was Chairman of the Committee of Detail, which put together the first draft of the Constitution, laying out the majority of the document.


The Rutledge-chaired committee compiled the constitution from other sources, including Madison's "Virginia Plan" and didn't author much of anything on its own. Saying Rutledge authored the Constitution is like saying Wikipedia wrote "Romeo and Juliet" because they compiled a list and description of Shakespeare's works.
 
2013-12-15 06:08:32 PM

Oldiron_79: Its not christmas without Krampus. Or his racist Dutch cousin Zwärte Piet.


Zwärte Piet can't be racist.  he's black.
 
2013-12-15 06:13:49 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.



You win 10,000 internets!
 
2013-12-15 06:20:12 PM
Christmas is awesome. I put up a shiat-ton of lights on the house. We do a standing rib-roast on Christmas Eve and then go to church/mass and come home and watch "Christmas Vacation" and "It's a Wonderful Life". We put the kids to bed and then put together all of their shiat.. Christmas Day I whip up my own version of the Italian "7 Fish Dish". This year I'm doing Oysters Rockefeller, shrimp cocktail, (home) smoked salmon, steamed clams, Crab Louis salad, clam chowder and I haven't decided on the 7the dish yet. Then off to Oslo Grande for a couple of days of mediocre skiing conditions.

I say "Merry Christmas" to farking everyone I see. I wear corny Christmas sweaters.

/total farking atheist. FTW
//Merry Christmas one and all!
 
2013-12-15 06:38:34 PM

Danger Avoid Death: AMonkey'sUncle: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.

See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.

Except James Madison wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not Jefferson. Jefferson was in France at the time the Constitution was ratified, and was only recently returned -- by a matter of some few days -- and made Secretary of State by Washington when the Bill of Rights was ratified. True, Jefferson, as Secretary of State, did "introduce" the Bill of Rights to the country, but it was written and championed by James Madison.


OK
 
2013-12-15 06:46:50 PM

catmandu: Benevolent Misanthrope: So our Christian founders would have been happy with the "War on Christmas" as described by FOX.

Excellent.

Not to mention that Christmas did not become an official holiday until 1870 and our "Founding Fathers" spent the first December 25th after the ratification of the Constitution working since Congress was in session that day.


They were busy eradicating slavery.
 
2013-12-15 08:16:09 PM

Somacandra: Increase Mather was famous for many things, but my favorite is his exemplary explication of Calvinist Puritanism: Sleeping at Sermons Is A Great and Dangerous Evil. That is a fun piece to teach.


If a pastor is so boring that those attending church fall asleep then their blood be upon his head.
 
2013-12-15 10:01:24 PM

phalamir: Frank N Stein: Puritanism was probably the shiattiest main-stream Christians sect this country has ever seen.

Oh no, Southern Baptists are still worse.  Puritans were all about the sexy-time, including sanctioned pre-martial diddling - and you could even have sex standing up.  And the less said about Missouri Synod Lutherans the better...


And let's not even talk about Wisconsin Synod Lutherans...
 
2013-12-15 10:03:02 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Kraftwerk Orange: Danger Avoid Death: AMonkey'sUncle: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.

See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.

Except James Madison wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not Jefferson. Jefferson was in France at the time the Constitution was ratified, and was only recently returned -- by a matter of some few days -- and made Secretary of State by Washington when the Bill of Rights was ratified. True, Jefferson, as Secretary of State, did "introduce" the Bill of Rights to the country, but it was written and championed by James Madison.

John Rutledge would be among those who would argue with your claim "...James Madison wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights..."

Rutledge was Chairman of the Committee of Detail, which put together the first draft of the Constitution, laying out the majority of the document.

The Rutledge-chaired committee compiled the constitution from other sources, including Madison's "Virginia Plan" and didn't author much of anything on its own. Saying Rutledge authored the Constitution is like saying Wikipedia wrote "Romeo and Juliet" because they compiled a list and description of Shakespeare's works.


I didn't say Rutledge authored anything.  I just said he'd argue your claim (based on Madison's own self-aggrandizing) that Madison "wrote" it.
 
2013-12-15 11:02:16 PM

stonelotus: Oldiron_79: Its not christmas without Krampus. Or his racist Dutch cousin Zwärte Piet.

Zwärte Piet can't be racist.  he's black.


As my latino BFF says "racism isnt just a white man's disease"
 
2013-12-15 11:45:42 PM
The war on Christmas was actually over by 2007 but it was quite real during for a couple of years prior to that.

The left went absolutely bonkers over the "Christian Right" after the 2004 election, and wouldn't you know it, right after the election? Christmas decorations everywhere! Rubbing it in their faces!

Nativity scenes really have no place on the court house lawn, but running around demanding it be called a "Holiday Tree" or even going so far as to demand secular decorations be removed because you were pissy at the Christians for the election and wanted to get back at them? Get over yourselves.

This is what makes liberals mocking people angry about Obama's reelection so funny... The conservatives reaction to that was NOTHING compared to the liberals reaction to the 2004 election.
 
2013-12-15 11:46:01 PM

brantgoose: it is, with the possible exception of Valentine's Day, my least favourite holiday and the blustering bully boy of holidays. No other holiday is so demanding, self-righteous, annoying, over-sold, artificial, wasteful, idiotic or godless.


this this this
 
2013-12-16 04:54:03 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: StatelyGreekAutomaton: My god, if the founding fathers were to hear this, they'd be rolling in their graves.

Do you know what Thomas Jefferson would be doing if he was alive today? Trying like hell to get out of that coffin.

See, I always thought that if these people who conjured the dead were real, I'd like them to call up TJ. First, to get that whole Sally Hemmings things straight, and, second, to ask him about the true intent of the second amendment. Like another has said, he'd probably say that when it was written, the enemies were Redcoats, Injuns and bars. And guns were like shoot once and reload.


TJ wouldn't know shiat about what the second amendment meant, he was in France when the Constitution was written and voted on. I'd ask James Madison since he did most of the writing.
 
2013-12-16 10:54:33 PM

Oldiron_79: stonelotus: Oldiron_79: Its not christmas without Krampus. Or his racist Dutch cousin Zwärte Piet.

Zwärte Piet can't be racist.  he's black.

As my latino BFF says "racism isnt just a white man's disease"


Obviously a white latino like George Zimmerman (or did the press just make up that narrative to fit their stereotype?)
 
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