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(UPI)   As the bipartisan budget deal moves to the Senate, political observers are wondering if this heralds a brave new era of congressional compromise, otherwise known as how Congress worked prior to 2008   (upi.com) divider line 81
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2013-12-15 11:22:02 AM
Difficulty:

Ted Cruz

Rand Paul

One of them will derail it to attention whore
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-15 11:29:29 AM
The problem is the Tea-tards will threaten to primary anyone who goes along with it.  Until their power fades the far right is going to keep derailing things.
 
2013-12-15 11:39:58 AM
Well, let's hope so
 
2013-12-15 12:02:14 PM
After the complete discreditation of Tea Party politics one would hope that they die with a whimper and not take the country with them
 
2013-12-15 12:36:58 PM
1996?
 
2013-12-15 01:09:29 PM
 
2013-12-15 01:59:59 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 310x535]

How Paul Ryan Won the Budget War-in 1 Chart


Im not sure how this plays out though. Arent a big portion of the cuts stalled until 2026 or something?  Im kind of confused about the whole thing.
 
2013-12-15 02:16:04 PM
No, the GOP Powers That Be (TM) put the word out for no shutdown after New Years, too close to the 2014 elections.  They will be back for another round and the Tea Party Republicans will not have changed, it is a strategic delay until early 2015 or so.
 
2013-12-15 02:18:35 PM

FreakinB: Well, let's hope so


The Bush Jr. years were not years of compromise!
 
2013-12-15 02:20:42 PM
Working together lead to the patriot act, the Iraq invasion......the repeal of banking regulations like glass steagall.....and it will lead to all those PIPA like internet laws too when the timing is right

just sayin.
 
2013-12-15 02:22:35 PM

Giltric: Working together lead to the patriot act, the Iraq invasion......the repeal of banking regulations like glass steagall.....and it will lead to all those PIPA like internet laws too when the timing is right

just sayin.


You'll notice that all of those came under a GOP-controlled Congress.
 
2013-12-15 02:23:16 PM

Bennie Crabtree: FreakinB: Well, let's hope so

The Bush Jr. years were not years of compromise!


Fark man, my point is that I hope the legislative body actually gets to a point where it's somewhat functional. I don't mean to nitpick over timelines.
 
2013-12-15 02:23:56 PM

Bennie Crabtree: The Bush Jr. years were not years of compromise!


Well yeah, Republicans held both houses from 1995 to 2007*.  They had to compromise with Clinton, but as soon as W took office... compromise?  Who needs it?

* minus 2 years of a split senate
 
2013-12-15 02:31:11 PM
There must be some elections in 2014 for some in Congress.    It seems like no one wants to make any waves.   Just lay low for awhile.

Plus the economy may be pretty unsteady.    When in doubt, grease the skids with extra cash.
I saw on msnbc that they think this budget is good.    In reality, it probably means the opposite.
 
2013-12-15 02:31:45 PM
"In their defense, Republicans are in a tough spot. They have two bad options. They can continue to capitulate and go along with the always-happy-to-tax-and-spend liberals, or they can take a stand for the good of the country and watch the Democrats close the government, change the rules or issue an executive order -- and then listen to liberals and the media blame it all on Republicans. It's a pattern that's been developing for a long time. The Democrats know the Republicans are afraid to take a stand, so they keep pushing the 'compromises' further to the left." - Former Sen. Jim DeMint

So this compromise budget is pushing things "further to the left"? Wow, talk about detachment from reality...
 
2013-12-15 02:33:53 PM
Makor legislative achievements of the 111th Congress from 2009:

American Recovery & Reinvestment Act
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
Bush Tax Cuts extended for two years
START treaty with Russia to reduce nuclear weapons stockpiles

Not saying all those things were perfect but it's surprising what can get done without Republicans paralyzing the process.
 
2013-12-15 02:35:29 PM
In other news:

GOP zeroes in on debt limit debate

Don't expect Republicans to lay down and support a clean debt limit increase next year.
House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said on "Fox News Sunday" Senate and House Republicans will soon huddle at their party retreats to figure out what Republicans can extract out of Democrats in return for raising the debt ceiling next year.

"We as a caucus -- along with our Senate counterparts -- are going to meet and discuss what it is we're going to want out of the debt limit," Ryan said. "We don't want nothing out of this debt limit. We're going to decide what it is we're going to accomplish out of this debt limit fight."


So, no.  No it does not herald a brave new era of congressional compromise.  It was merely a breather.
 
2013-12-15 02:39:02 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Difficulty:

Ted Cruz

Rand Paul

One of them will derail it to attention whore


Nothing a lead pipe to the kneecap wouldn't fix.
 
2013-12-15 02:39:40 PM
Congress working together in a bipartisan way is the exception.  Not the rule.

/remember the days when congressmen would break out in a fight on the House floor?
//good times good times
 
2013-12-15 02:48:41 PM
Maybe it'll be called the post-decade of "We gave 'em enough rope" but probably not.
 
2013-12-15 02:51:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Working together lead to the patriot act, the Iraq invasion......the repeal of banking regulations like glass steagall.....and it will lead to all those PIPA like internet laws too when the timing is right

just sayin.

You'll notice that all of those came under a GOP-controlled Congress.


Yes but they passed with bipartisan support, which means both sides are bad, so vote GOP.
 
2013-12-15 02:51:53 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 310x535]

How Paul Ryan Won the Budget War-in 1 Chart


The Republicans have shifted the debate to "Should the government just stop functioning completely?"

Sure democrats and the poor got totally hosed in this deal, but it's just so rare to see the "Government should function" side prevail that is feels like a win.
 
2013-12-15 02:57:55 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 310x535]

How Paul Ryan Won the Budget War-in 1 Chart


This. The GOP's getting everything they want and the Democrats are too spineless to push back. At this point, the GOP taking back the Senate is just a formality.
 
2013-12-15 03:02:39 PM
as soon as the black guy got into the White House, America got her panties into a serious twist and has not been the same since.


that says alot about america.
 
2013-12-15 03:08:38 PM
I wish. Paul Ryan is already saying that this deal gives the GOP more time to focus on repealing Obamacare.
 
2013-12-15 03:11:05 PM
Obama staying out of it.
 
2013-12-15 03:20:41 PM

fatassbastard: "In their defense, Republicans are in a tough spot. They have two bad options. They can continue to capitulate and go along with the always-happy-to-tax-and-spend liberals, or they can take a stand for the good of the country and watch the Democrats close the government, change the rules or issue an executive order -- and then listen to liberals and the media blame it all on Republicans. It's a pattern that's been developing for a long time. The Democrats know the Republicans are afraid to take a stand, so they keep pushing the 'compromises' further to the left." - Former Sen. Jim DeMint

So this compromise budget is pushing things "further to the left"? Wow, talk about detachment from reality...


Seriously. It's like he hasn't even considered the possibility that Republicans are getting killed in elections because they have wrong and unpopular policies.
 
2013-12-15 03:34:58 PM
Thanks Obama
 
2013-12-15 03:40:21 PM
I highly, highly doubt congress was puppies and rainbow prior to '08.
 
2013-12-15 03:43:22 PM
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Is is possible the wingnuts have been triangulated? The greatest fear of the extreme right is that Obama could govern in a positive and bipartisan manner. If that pragmatic parts of the GOP go along with (or at least don't actively try to subvert) Obama, that leaves the fringe as a marginalized minority, their agenda discredited.

Good times
 
2013-12-15 03:49:37 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: fatassbastard: "In their defense, Republicans are in a tough spot. They have two bad options. They can continue to capitulate and go along with the always-happy-to-tax-and-spend liberals, or they can take a stand for the good of the country and watch the Democrats close the government, change the rules or issue an executive order -- and then listen to liberals and the media blame it all on Republicans. It's a pattern that's been developing for a long time. The Democrats know the Republicans are afraid to take a stand, so they keep pushing the 'compromises' further to the left." - Former Sen. Jim DeMint

So this compromise budget is pushing things "further to the left"? Wow, talk about detachment from reality...

Seriously. It's like he hasn't even considered the possibility that Republicans are getting killed in elections because they have wrong and unpopular policies.


Jim DeMint seems to have conveniently forgotten the 17 days in October where Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner single-handedly shut down the government by not allowing a bipartisan and clean continuing resolution to come up for a vote.

John Boehner's shutdown needs to be repeated in every single thread until he and his like-minded buddies lose their elections.
 
2013-12-15 03:52:10 PM

themindiswatching: Dusk-You-n-Me: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 310x535]

How Paul Ryan Won the Budget War-in 1 Chart

This. The GOP's getting everything they want and the Democrats are too spineless to push back. At this point, the GOP taking back the Senate is just a formality.


The Democrats got someone to talk to in Congress, not to mention the fact that the change of mood benefits the entire country.

I'm pretty sure that Boehner and Ryan know it's too late to go back. If they abandon bipartisanship now, they'll have nothing at all. If they remain willing to compromise, they will be able to actually get things done and point at achievements as success. Whereas before they had nothing at all.
 
2013-12-15 04:04:14 PM

super_grass: I highly, highly doubt congress was puppies and rainbow prior to '08.


they were except for impeaching clinton for a blowjob. rainbows and unicorn farts all the rest of the time. ask newt.
 
2013-12-15 04:17:48 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 310x535]

How Paul Ryan Won the Budget War-in 1 Chart


And yet the derpers are hysterical over the treason of the "lib rino Ryan".

The 2014 primaries are going to be hilarious.
 
2013-12-15 04:26:14 PM
This deal will only stand if the repubs remain in control of the House and the Democrats of the Senate after the 2014 election. If the balance of power shifts in any way, the winning party will immediately abrogate this agreement, to the howls of the losers. If the Democrats take back the House and hold onto the Senate, well, for starters, taxes on the wealthy will go through the roof. Similarly, if the repubs hold onto the House and take back the Senate, they will be emboldened to hold the line on conservative budget issues and even threaten to shut down the government again unless their demands are met. If the balance of power remains substantively the same, we will have to put up with this happy horseshiat for another two years.
 
2013-12-15 04:40:28 PM
Wow, how did I miss the news about this passing the House?
 
2013-12-15 04:42:00 PM

vpb: The problem is the Tea-tards will threaten to primary anyone who goes along with it.  Until their power financial backingfades the far right is going to keep derailing things.


/FTFY
 
2013-12-15 04:43:06 PM

Wake Up Sheeple: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: fatassbastard: "In their defense, Republicans are in a tough spot. They have two bad options. They can continue to capitulate and go along with the always-happy-to-tax-and-spend liberals, or they can take a stand for the good of the country and watch the Democrats close the government, change the rules or issue an executive order -- and then listen to liberals and the media blame it all on Republicans. It's a pattern that's been developing for a long time. The Democrats know the Republicans are afraid to take a stand, so they keep pushing the 'compromises' further to the left." - Former Sen. Jim DeMint

So this compromise budget is pushing things "further to the left"? Wow, talk about detachment from reality...

Seriously. It's like he hasn't even considered the possibility that Republicans are getting killed in elections because they have wrong and unpopular policies.

Jim DeMint seems to have conveniently forgotten the 17 days in October where Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner single-handedly shut down the government by not allowing a bipartisan and clean continuing resolution to come up for a vote.

John Boehner's shutdown needs to be repeated in every single thread until he and his like-minded buddies lose their elections.


Too bad the mouth breathers are blaming Obama and the Democrats for the shutdown.
 
2013-12-15 04:44:01 PM

Curious: super_grass: I highly, highly doubt congress was puppies and rainbow prior to '08.

they were except for impeaching clinton for a blowjob. rainbows and unicorn farts all the rest of the time. ask newt.


I suspect it's more mundane than that. I think Boner has 'done the maths' and concluded that the voter backlash from further obstructing government is greater than whatever penalty the party will suffer from telling the Teatards to STFU and GBTW. Losing the House next year while the TPers are claiming political purity didn't look like a positive outcome, I guess.
 
2013-12-15 04:47:05 PM
Tell me about the before-times, when Congress could actually do things.
 
2013-12-15 04:48:25 PM
This bipartisanship deal:
www.phoodie.info

The Senate:
1-media-cdn.foolz.us

Nuff said!
 
2013-12-15 05:01:28 PM

TV's Vinnie: This bipartisanship deal:
[www.phoodie.info image 550x414]

The Senate:
[1-media-cdn.foolz.us image 615x279]

Nuff said!


LOL...the Tea Party idea of compromise with Democrats is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for lunch.
 
2013-12-15 05:13:08 PM

Stone Meadow: I think Boner has 'done the maths' and concluded that the voter backlash from further obstructing government is greater than whatever penalty the party will suffer from telling the Teatards to STFU and GBTW. Losing the House next year while the TPers are claiming political purity didn't look like a positive outcome, I guess.


you're right and boehner made that clear with a couple of his public statements. BUT there will be primary challenges and the tea party guy will go into the general and lose. not in all cases but enough that the big money guys will have a shiat fit. more than they are right now. what that means for 2016 is my concern. i don't want to win 2014 to lose 2016. and IMO all this hilary shiat isn't a winning strategy.

all that hiding from the sniper fire in Sarajevo isn't presidential.
 
2013-12-15 05:19:33 PM

clambam: This deal will only stand if the repubs remain in control of the House and the Democrats of the Senate after the 2014 election. If the balance of power shifts in any way, the winning party will immediately abrogate this agreement, to the howls of the losers. If the Democrats take back the House and hold onto the Senate, well, for starters, taxes on the wealthy will go through the roof. Similarly, if the repubs hold onto the House and take back the Senate, they will be emboldened to hold the line on conservative budget issues and even threaten to shut down the government again unless their demands are met. If the balance of power remains substantively the same, we will have to put up with this happy horseshiat for another two years.


The house is already threatening to shut down the government again.
 
2013-12-15 05:23:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Working together lead to the patriot act, the Iraq invasion......the repeal of banking regulations like glass steagall.....and it will lead to all those PIPA like internet laws too when the timing is right

just sayin.

You'll notice that all of those came under a GOP-controlled Congress.



Yes yes...you had 1 democrat vote no to the Patriot Act therefore my argument is invalid.

You always have an excuse.....so sad.

A majority of the dems voted in favor of all those things. Own that shiat son!
 
2013-12-15 05:28:59 PM

sdd2000: clambam: This deal will only stand if the repubs remain in control of the House and the Democrats of the Senate after the 2014 election. If the balance of power shifts in any way, the winning party will immediately abrogate this agreement, to the howls of the losers. If the Democrats take back the House and hold onto the Senate, well, for starters, taxes on the wealthy will go through the roof. Similarly, if the repubs hold onto the House and take back the Senate, they will be emboldened to hold the line on conservative budget issues and even threaten to shut down the government again unless their demands are met. If the balance of power remains substantively the same, we will have to put up with this happy horseshiat for another two years.

The house is already threatening to shut down the government again.


Hitting the debt ceiling and shutting down the government are very different things. A government shutdown is when the government is not authorized to spend money. When you hit the debt ceiling, it means the government is no longer authorized to borrow money to pay for debts they already incurred. When the government shuts down, it means the FDA stops inspecting things. When the government stops paying its debts, it means that the dollar ceases to be the world reserve currency, interest rates for the US government and for everybody else skyrocket, and the planet plunges into economic chaos. Then week two starts.
 
2013-12-15 05:31:41 PM

FreakinB: Bennie Crabtree: FreakinB: Well, let's hope so

The Bush Jr. years were not years of compromise!

Fark man, my point is that I hope the legislative body actually gets to a point where it's somewhat functional. I don't mean to nitpick over timelines.


Sorry Freakin, I think the headline must've trolled me into a tizzy and I swooned.

DemonEater: Well yeah, Republicans held both houses from 1995 to 2007*.  They had to compromise with Clinton, but as soon as W took office... compromise?  Who needs it?


I know, right? And to think that a few threads down we're laughing at the idea of Whigs...
 
2013-12-15 05:31:50 PM

DemonEater: John Boehner's shutdown needs to be repeated in every single thread until he and his like-minded buddies lose their elections.


Excellent strategy.  Or, you might be over estimating Fark's influence. Place your bets.

Interesting times we live in.
 
2013-12-15 05:32:52 PM

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Working together lead to the patriot act, the Iraq invasion......the repeal of banking regulations like glass steagall.....and it will lead to all those PIPA like internet laws too when the timing is right

just sayin.

You'll notice that all of those came under a GOP-controlled Congress.


Yes yes...you had 1 democrat vote no to the Patriot Act therefore my argument is invalid.

You always have an excuse.....so sad.

A majority of the dems voted in favor of all those things. Own that shiat son!


I just want to chime in and, on behalf of all reasonable WI voters, apologize to everyone for our insane counterparts trading in Russ Feingold for Ron F*cking Johnson.  That's all.
 
2013-12-15 05:35:35 PM
Compromise seems to now mean giving the GOP only a fraction of what they want. There's nothing in this budget deal the Democrats can claim as a win if you're a liberal.
 
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