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(South West News Service)   Professional panhandlers make $60,000/year, work as many hours as they want, when they want. Apparently beggars can be choosers   (swns.com) divider line 77
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2013-12-15 08:28:17 AM  
Because poor people shouldn't be able to earn a living, right, subby? How dare those loafers make more money than you!
 
2013-12-15 08:32:31 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Because poor people shouldn't be able to earn a living, right, subby? How dare those loafers make more money than you!


As long as they are properly reporting their earnings to the IRS, I think it's fine.

And while their are some people who panhandle by trade, most do not.
 
2013-12-15 08:39:07 AM  
I seriously doubt this.
 
2013-12-15 08:42:40 AM  
...how I can tell that this writer knows nothing about the homeless.

1. The overwhelming majority of the 'homeless' are invisible, because they're young, employed, and usually homeless for less than a year. Think '3 guys live in an apt, one doesn't come up with rent 3 months in a row, they get evicted, they have to sleep in card or couch surf until they get things sorted out'. If you're young and don't have mom & dad or a network of friends to fall back on, you're closer to homelessness than you might think.

2. The 'homeless' that we think of are the chronically homeless. There aren't nearly as many if those as you might think, and most of them aren't shiftless or grifters, they're suffering from a wide variety of physical, mental, and social problems. Everything from schizophrenia to an IQ of 75 to undiagnosed and untreated pituitary or thyroid problem to PTSD. Their homelessness is generally a symptom of something far more severe than laziness or a refusal to work.

3. The folks mentioned in the article are typically members of group one who masquerade as members of group two, because it doesn't take a genius to realize that, if you have any sales skill at all you can usually get $10-15/hr even if you're just standing at a stop light with a cardboard sign.

That money is tax-free, easy, and adds up quickly. Why kill yourself trying to get cleaned up enough to get and keep a job (both challenges when you're sleeping in the woods) mopping floors at McDonald's for $7.25/hr before taxes, when you can make and keep twice that just standing near where you wake up?

It can be addictive. But they're still homeless. And the underlying issues are still there.

Long story short: give money if you want. Don't worry about where it's going. That's just being cheap. If you don't want to give money, go volunteer at a shelter.
 
2013-12-15 08:45:31 AM  
Scroungers in Nottingham boast they are pocketing up to £700 a week and are even spending some of their nights sleeping in HOTELS.
One picky tramp is making so much cash he throws away food he doesn't want and gets around the city by TAXI.



THOSE BASTARDS.
 
2013-12-15 08:59:02 AM  
We used to have a guy who panhandled on the local expressway exit ramp. He had a ride pick him up and drop him off at the ramp. I'd occasionally see him hanging out in a bar I used to go to for pub trivia. My husband talked to him one night and found out that the guy was mentally disabled and lived with his brother whose wife sending him out to "earn his keep."
 
2013-12-15 09:02:46 AM  
CSB

When I lived in L.A. there was a guy that worked a red light by the 101. I had to transfer busses where he worked. His car was parked about 50 feet away. Sometimes I caught him on a break sitting next to it in a lawn chair eating a sandwich. It did not appear that he was living in that car.
 
2013-12-15 09:14:33 AM  
Even if this was true on average (it isn't, of course - any article that has random words in all caps is a pretty telling sign that it contains a huge amount of bullshiat) - but even if it were true, how does that matter? All these articles provide is an excuse for people to feel justified in not giving out money to panhandlers. They prey on the same middle class paranoids who froth at articles detailing the "knock-out game" from behind the iron gates of their gated communities.

You might as well title them all "Someone has something they didn't earn from sitting in a soulless cubicle and you should be MAD ABOUT IT."
 
2013-12-15 09:19:44 AM  

vartian: Even if this was true on average (it isn't, of course - any article that has random words in all caps is a pretty telling sign that it contains a huge amount of bullshiat) - but even if it were true, how does that matter? All these articles provide is an excuse for people to feel justified in not giving out money to panhandlers. They prey on the same middle class paranoids who froth at articles detailing the "knock-out game" from behind the iron gates of their gated communities.

You might as well title them all "Someone has something they didn't earn from sitting in a soulless cubicle and you should be MAD ABOUT IT."


Stories like this exist to give people an excuse for why they aren't doing anything to help out the homeless.  "A lot of hose guys are faking it and make more money than I do!"
 
2013-12-15 09:24:31 AM  

jake_lex: Stories like this exist to give people an excuse for why they aren't doing anything to help out the homeless.  "A lot of hose guys are faking it and make more money than I do!"


Or to give ammunition to republicans to demonize all the poors everywhere.
 
2013-12-15 09:28:32 AM  

Mugato: jake_lex: Stories like this exist to give people an excuse for why they aren't doing anything to help out the homeless.  "A lot of hose guys are faking it and make more money than I do!"

Or to give ammunition to republicans to demonize all the poors everywhere.


That's probably just what this British newspaper was hoping would happen when it ran an article about beggars in England. How irresponsible of them.
 
2013-12-15 09:30:19 AM  

jake_lex: Stories like this exist to give people an excuse for why they aren't doing anything to help out the homeless.  "A lot of hose guys are faking it and make more money than I do!"


Get off the cross, Jake. Some people need the firewood to keep warm.

These people aren't "homeless" for the most part. They also don't represent the homeless, nor do they give people an excuse not to help out the actual homeless. If you want to "help the homeless", donate to local shelter programs, especially those that are secular/all inclusive in nature, or donate to local charities that focus on treat the mentally ill homeless. I do the former.

These people are scam artists. They play on the sympathies of good people to laze around and live on the dime of others. They openly lie and cheat to ply their trade, and view the people who give them money as nothing but suckers for the game.

There's absolutely no way I would give money to the guy holding the sign saying "Can't work, Cancer" or similar, since that seems to be the local variation in our area. On a side note, for a guy who has "throat cancer, can't afford treatment", this person looks remarkably spry and healthy despite being on that same street corner, holding the same sign, for the last year and a half.

I've seen variations where they will, no joke, get a C-collar from an ambulance and try to portray themselves as unable to work because of their neck.

sammyk: CSB

When I lived in L.A. there was a guy that worked a red light by the 101. I had to transfer busses where he worked. His car was parked about 50 feet away. Sometimes I caught him on a break sitting next to it in a lawn chair eating a sandwich. It did not appear that he was living in that car.


The local CBS station did a story a few years back about a group of people who panhandled on Beale and in Midtown, and shared the earnings. They were living rather comfortably.
 
2013-12-15 09:33:54 AM  
"Oh dear, poor people have it so easy? Why can't we bring back work houses to make their lives miserable?"

Every time I hear someone wringing their hands over how great the poor have it I always ask them "well if they've got it so easy why aren't you one of them. It's far easier to become a poor person than it is to become a rich person so if the poor truly are living the good life why don't you give up your wealth and become one of the poor?"

It sucks to be poor. While there may be a few hucksters out there who see pan handling as life on easy street most of us realize there are better and more secure ways to make a living.
 
2013-12-15 09:36:56 AM  

Ghastly: Every time I hear someone wringing their hands over how great the poor have it I always ask them "well if they've got it so easy why aren't you one of them. It's far easier to become a poor person than it is to become a rich person so if the poor truly are living the good life why don't you give up your wealth and become one of the poor?"


I think it's more along the lines of it's easy to piss off someone working 40-60 hours a week to support themselves and their family when you point out that there are people out there who can fake injury and illness, and fake being homeless to play on the sympathies of others.

The problem is you have people who can't differentiate between someone who actually needs help, and some douchebag who preys on others kindness.
 
2013-12-15 09:37:45 AM  

hardinparamedic: These people aren't "homeless" for the most part. They also don't represent the homeless, nor do they give people an excuse not to help out the actual homeless. If you want to "help the homeless", donate to local shelter programs, especially those that are secular/all inclusive in nature, or donate to local charities that focus on treat the mentally ill homeless. I do the former.


First, you don't know that every person out there with a sign is being dishonest - that's simply an absurd thing to say. Second, how is it a scam? Someone ask for money, and the other person chooses to give it or not. You calling those people gullible is laughably arrogant. You have no reason why people are choosing to give that money or what that amount of money they are parting with means to them.

The only foolish person here is the one who is willing to classify every single person panhandling as having identical motivations.
 
2013-12-15 09:41:56 AM  

vartian: The only foolish person here is the one who is willing to classify every single person panhandling as having identical motivations.


Which is being done by no one. What is being pointed out is that there is a good chunk of people who panhandle who aren't as needy as people would like you to think. You do realize that in large cities, these people are organized groups, right? Especially in tourist areas. (Atlanta comes to mind.)

vartian: First, you don't know that every person out there with a sign is being dishonest - that's simply an absurd thing to say.


I know a good chunk of them are in my area. The one who supposedly couldn't work because of a back injury, but could take off running when he caused a car wreck was a great one. Aforementioned throat cancer guy is another.

vartian: Second, how is it a scam? Someone ask for money, and the other person chooses to give it or not. You calling those people gullible is laughably arrogant. You have no reason why people are choosing to give that money or what that amount of money they are parting with means to them.


You're calling those people gullable. I'm calling them good people who, even though their heart is in the right place, are being scammed them out of their money by pretending to be in need and hurt. They would make P.T. Barnum proud.
 
2013-12-15 09:51:07 AM  
What ever happened to that jobs bill that Congress was going to pass first thing in 2013?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-15 09:55:59 AM  
I  suspect that's an upper limit, but I would rather have them all make 60k then starve.
 
2013-12-15 09:57:29 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: What ever happened to that jobs bill that Congress was going to pass first thing in 2013?


Even if they had, I doubt it would have done much for beggars in England, which is what the article is about.
 
2013-12-15 10:08:53 AM  

Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: What ever happened to that jobs bill that Congress was going to pass first thing in 2013?

Even if they had, I doubt it would have done much for beggars in England, which is what the article is about.


STOP shiatTING UP THE THREAD WITH FACTS
 
2013-12-15 10:10:21 AM  

hardinparamedic: for a guy who has "throat cancer, can't afford treatment", this person looks remarkably spry and healthy despite being on that same street corner, holding the same sign, for the last year and a half.


"A vet?  You're an animal doctor?"
"Veteran.  I was in 'nam, man!"
"What were you, a drummer boy?  You must have been like 10 years old."
"Um, the gulf.  I meant to say the gulf."
 
2013-12-15 10:12:06 AM  

Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: What ever happened to that jobs bill that Congress was going to pass first thing in 2013?

Even if they had, I doubt it would have done much for beggars in England, which is what the article is about.


I guess f the amnesty for "undocumented guest workers" had passed...
 
2013-12-15 10:15:18 AM  

serial_crusher: Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: What ever happened to that jobs bill that Congress was going to pass first thing in 2013?

Even if they had, I doubt it would have done much for beggars in England, which is what the article is about.

I guess f the amnesty for "undocumented guest workers" had passed...


That's a fair point.
 
2013-12-15 10:19:00 AM  

serial_crusher: hardinparamedic: for a guy who has "throat cancer, can't afford treatment", this person looks remarkably spry and healthy despite being on that same street corner, holding the same sign, for the last year and a half.

"A vet?  You're an animal doctor?"
"Veteran.  I was in 'nam, man!"
"What were you, a drummer boy?  You must have been like 10 years old."
"Um, the gulf.  I meant to say the gulf."


Space shuttle door gunner. He served with flynavy.
 
2013-12-15 11:04:31 AM  
It's Not Fair
a poetry by Godscrack

It's not like homeless people tax our incomes on every level, use our money to buy $600 toilet seats, profit from poverty and incarcerating people with laws that target poor people and minorities, and start and maintain phony 14 year wars based on lies and fear for the sole purpose of profit.

It's not fair that everyone else doesn't have God in their hearts like you do. Making everything you've done in your life absolutely perfect.

It's not fair that everyone else doesn't have the same morals and work ethic that you do.

It's not fair everyone can't have soft, tiny, white, perfect smelling hairless toes like you.

It's not fair.
 
2013-12-15 11:10:47 AM  

Mugato: I seriously doubt this.

 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-15 11:33:45 AM  
You would think that people would applaud the use of bootstraps that you see here.
 
2013-12-15 11:51:52 AM  
"Street beggars are making up to £36,000 a YEAR, police reveal"

Yeah, like homeless people actually reveal to police how much income they make.

Mormon bishop goes undercover as homeless man to teach congregation a lesson

imageshack.us

The people putting these numbers out about the homeless are all rich, religious sponsored imposters who like to go undercover as homeless people, to later come back to 'report their findings', the criminal behavior, drug and alcohol abuse, sexual assaults, and godlessness among the unwashed masses.

Like these activities never happen with people with high incomes. They bathe regularly, but that's about it.
 
2013-12-15 11:54:58 AM  
I give them "free food" coupons.
 
2013-12-15 12:11:33 PM  
hardinparamedic:

Space shuttle door gunner. He served with flynavy.

Don't make fun of those who served honorably!

farm2.staticflickr.com
 
2013-12-15 12:13:06 PM  
really, people aren't aware of this?

I've had people ask me for money for a train fare near the station, claiming they'd lost it "Where are you going? OK, I'll go and buy you a one-way ticket". Every time, I got declined.

Give money to a homeless shelter, salvation army, etc.
 
2013-12-15 12:21:23 PM  
"When he was arrested last week he had five pasties in his possession. He also had #52 cash."

ecx.images-amazon.com

Five?   It sounds like that was one hell of an act he he was working on!

/what kind of journal uses UTF in the headline, " £ ", and "#" in the text?
 
2013-12-15 12:23:37 PM  

hardinparamedic: Ghastly: Every time I hear someone wringing their hands over how great the poor have it I always ask them "well if they've got it so easy why aren't you one of them. It's far easier to become a poor person than it is to become a rich person so if the poor truly are living the good life why don't you give up your wealth and become one of the poor?"

I think it's more along the lines of it's easy to piss off someone working 40-60 hours a week to support themselves and their family when you point out that there are people out there who can fake injury and illness, and fake being homeless to play on the sympathies of others.

The problem is you have people who can't differentiate between someone who actually needs help, and some douchebag who preys on others kindness.


No, the problem is people just hand out money to people.  If you're concerned, find a charity you like that helps the homeless.  Like this  http://pathwaysofhope.us/ .  Can also learn where local shelters are so if someone asks you for money, you can direct them to it.
 
2013-12-15 12:45:42 PM  

Mugato: I seriously doubt this.


But the police said so.  It has to be true.  Police are required to be truthful.
 
2013-12-15 12:47:00 PM  

jake_lex: vartian: Even if this was true on average (it isn't, of course - any article that has random words in all caps is a pretty telling sign that it contains a huge amount of bullshiat) - but even if it were true, how does that matter? All these articles provide is an excuse for people to feel justified in not giving out money to panhandlers. They prey on the same middle class paranoids who froth at articles detailing the "knock-out game" from behind the iron gates of their gated communities.

You might as well title them all "Someone has something they didn't earn from sitting in a soulless cubicle and you should be MAD ABOUT IT."

Stories like this exist to give people an excuse for why they aren't doing anything to help out the homeless.  "A lot of hose guys are faking it and make more money than I do!"


Stories like this give me an excuse not to give anything to the guy standing by the road with a random sign but give my donations to vetted and respectable organizations that can do more good with $1 than standing guy can with $10
 
2013-12-15 12:51:23 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: "When he was arrested last week he had five pasties in his possession. He also had #52 cash."

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 522x522]

Five?   It sounds like that was one hell of an act he he was working on!

/what kind of journal uses UTF in the headline, " £ ", and "#" in the text?


www.cornishpasties.org.uk
 
2013-12-15 12:57:43 PM  
I thought that Shell, Exxon, GE, Koch Industries and the rest of the Billionaire club, made more than $60,000 a year????

/Panhandling from the government is so easy, just don't call it panhandling.
//Bribing the government for money is ok as long as you call it Lobbying(or whatever they call it now,,, maybe 'mooching').
 
2013-12-15 12:57:59 PM  
I've posted this before... I used to work in Kingman, AZ and would see the same two guys panhandling down by the interstate exit everyday. One day, as I'm coming out of the local grocery store nearby, I see them walking across the lot and around behind the building. So I wait and here they come back around riding together in a brand new SUV.

Diss them if you want but people are handing them money without thinking, kind of like stockbrokers, so what the hell.
 
2013-12-15 12:59:32 PM  
But do they have a refrigerator??
 
2013-12-15 01:35:35 PM  

HighlanderRPI: hardinparamedic:

Space shuttle door gunner. He served with flynavy.

Don't make fun of those who served honorably!

[farm2.staticflickr.com image 640x361]


Hmm, sounds like slang for someone completely out of their mind. But Urban Dictionary says it's about internet forum tough guys.
 
2013-12-15 01:50:50 PM  
There are people making small fortunes out here (EU) and the panhandling is just part of it.  Yes - you really can get a significant amount of money from begging (article is from the UK I believe, but it's true in most cities).  And no, they don't report it on their taxes - so 30k panhandling is the same as earning 40k working.  Good deal.

But because the income is all under-the-table and because many EU states have very, very generous social welfare programs; they're also on the dole/welfare.  So one morning they walk in and pick up their dole check, then they beg and bring in amounts that are as high or higher than median earners - but they don't pay taxes on them.

The really good ones though, they are collecting the dole in multiple countries
(example:  http://www.herald.ie/news/task-force-hitting-dole-tourists-at-our-air p orts-29802297.html )

In between collecting their checks, they pan handle.  It's crazy.  And to be fair, this isn't everyone you see on the street, but there really is a whole chain of well organized groups of people working together to game the system and people generosity.
 
2013-12-15 01:55:03 PM  
Hell I spent 6 months being homeless a few years back. Between a lay off and being in the middle of a divorce I was hooped. Found another job through a buddy of mine a couple months in. It took some time and effort but I got myself out of that situation.

even homeless and without work I did not dare ask a stranger for a handout. Which is funny because homeless even ask other homeless for spare change man.

still very gratefull for the soup kitchens and shelters that got me through the winter.

dont give homeless people money. Donate to a shelter or soup kitchen. Hell give them the time of day and 5 minutes of your time. Buy the guy a coffee and a sandwich.

over the last 3 years Ive managed to double my income each year. Now Im hoping to repeat that feat for 2014.
 
2013-12-15 02:00:20 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: even homeless and without work I did not dare ask a stranger for a handout


teenage mutant ninja rapist: still very gratefull for the soup kitchens and shelters that got me through the winter


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-15 02:33:09 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: What ever happened to that jobs bill that Congress was going to pass first thing in 2013?


The insurance companies are doing fine, thanks for asking!
 
2013-12-15 02:39:57 PM  
I once saw a beggar who claimed to need money for an operation. In Vancouver, BC, which theoretically has nationalized health care. I know you can pay a premium for special procedures, but the bare minimum medical procedures should have been available to keep the person alive and reasonably healthy.
 
2013-12-15 02:45:24 PM  
My thought was, Sigh, oh look, it's this story again. "Some panhandlers pulling down beaucoup bucks." Damn fine reporting there, Lou.

It's one of those perennial stories that makes a reporter's job easier. Of course there are panhandlers out there who are also scam artists. Just like there will always be letters from Nigeria from the nephew of the Finance Minister who need your help to get millions out of his country.
 
2013-12-15 02:56:15 PM  
I honestly thought it was going to be an article about the CEOs of charities and thought "$60k is way low"
 
2013-12-15 03:04:41 PM  
Never give money to a panhandler. Many are swindlers and con artists. You don't know where you're money is going and whether its going to food, booze, drugs, or something else.

Every time a person asks you for money, and you feel bad, go home and put some money in a homeless jar or something and give it to a reputable charity, whom you trust to use the money for actual needs of those who need it, including those who aren't comfortable intruding on others by begging.

People who give money to panhandlers to make themselves feel better are part of the problem and are doing a disservice to society.
 
2013-12-15 03:10:59 PM  
When I was in Boston a few years ago, I saw a young guy (early 20s) playing guitar with a portable amp in front of a coffee shop. He was really good. Grabbed a coffee, came out and talked for a bit. He made $20 in the time it took me to get a coffee. I asked why he was working on the street, and he said he was a student at Berkely (sp?) college of music, and he does this because it is helping pay for a decent portion of his tuition.

Apparently, in some cities, panhandlers have to have a license, so they can license out certain areas or street corners. There were some awesome street performers up there, guys doing backflips over 5 people lines up, musicians, etc... Makes for great street entertainment having it licensed out like that.
 
2013-12-15 03:16:58 PM  
Who are the deadliest enemies America has ever faced?  Hitler, you say?  Stalin?  I laugh with pity at your profound ignorance.  No.

1. TEACHERS
2. HOMELESS PEOPLE

They will destroy our blessed nation from within and then Jesus will turn his back on the Earth and it will be the fault of people like YOU for not doing your part to end the scourge of

1. TEACHERS
2. HOMELESS PEOPLE

/also SOROS!!!11
 
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