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(Hawaii News Now)   There's no such thing as a free lunch... unless you're a soldier at this restaurant where the locals have been playing the "pay a random soldier's lunch tab every day" game for almost a year   (hawaiinewsnow.com) divider line 65
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2013-12-15 09:18:11 AM  
I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?
 
2013-12-15 10:04:56 AM  

foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?


You sound like a red dhimmicrat communist sympathizer.

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2013-12-15 10:16:33 AM  
Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.
 
2013-12-15 10:16:41 AM  
I can nearly guarantee that these same people cheer when VA funding is cut.
 
2013-12-15 10:17:38 AM  
I'm in the KISS Army. Does that count?
 
2013-12-15 10:18:47 AM  
How about buying meals for homeless people, or, you know, people who need it really badly?
 
2013-12-15 10:20:06 AM  
TANSTAAFL!
Mannie approves
Prof nods
 
2013-12-15 10:20:34 AM  
Can I have a free lunch?
 
2013-12-15 10:23:31 AM  

foo monkey: do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?


In public it's acceptable to bow and mutter "Thank you for your service". Just don't look them in the eye or expect them to acknowledge you.
 
2013-12-15 10:25:27 AM  

foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?


Saying thank you and picking up their lunch  tab of $12.35 is not fellating them.

If it were not for volunteers, it would be back to the draft.  That alone qualifies one for some respect in most people's eyes, that "taking one for the team".

You are an absurd dickhead.
 
2013-12-15 10:25:32 AM  

undernova: Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.


Couldn't agree more.  I see people everyday trying to get perks because they "served."   I'm surprised there isn't more of a "support the troops" fatigue feeling amongst businesses.

Most embarrassing is guys who get all butt hurt when they don't get offered a discount.
 
2013-12-15 10:25:49 AM  

undernova: Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.


Along with people that pretend they served in the military.
 
2013-12-15 10:26:14 AM  
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For so many that breakfast was NOT free...it only cost them an arm, leg, eye and sanity...

 
2013-12-15 10:27:36 AM  
fark 'em over on everything else but HEY FREE LUNCH!
 
2013-12-15 10:28:47 AM  

foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?


You ashamed that you enjoy giving head, cupcake?
 
2013-12-15 10:30:22 AM  

omeganuepsilon: foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?

Saying thank you and picking up their lunch  tab of $12.35 is not fellating them.

If it were not for volunteers poor white trash and big city ghetto kids,  it would be back to the draft.  That alone qualifies one for some respect in most people's eyes, that "taking one for the team".

You are an absurd dickhead.

FTFY

 
2013-12-15 10:30:36 AM  

foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?


What are we talking 'bout here? Just the tip?
 
2013-12-15 10:32:38 AM  

omeganuepsilon: If it were not for volunteers, it would be back to the draft.  That alone qualifies one for some respect in most people's eyes, that "taking one for the team".


It's an incredibly well-paying job for the labor and risks involved, and there's not a huge manpower demand with modern military techniques and technology.

There's pretty much no situation short of world war 3 where a draft would ever be necessary even without the blind patriotism factor, because the army  isn't a professional sacrifice, really.  It's a solid job and an  incredibly good deal given the low entry requirements, most of our current volunteers aren't signing up because they live in a Gilbert + Sullivan musical, it's because of pay/benefits.

// And the risk of death/injury even when we're involved in an actual war is significantly  lower than a lot of blue-collar work, so that's nice too.

// Before you go off on me for being against-the-troops or whatever, note that what I'm pointing out here is that our soldiers  aren't morons pulled unwittingly into shiat by blind patriotism (the province of idiots and liars/politicians), they're reasonably intelligent human beings that recognized a good deal for someone with their prospects and took it.  The people I'm calling gullible to the point of stupidity are the idiots who think every soldier is a damned hero or something.
 
2013-12-15 10:33:25 AM  

insano: How about buying meals for homeless people, or, you know, people who need it really badly?


Is that exclusive to buying a soldier lunch?

Is it mandatory that we give all of our resources to those who are less fortunate?

Why people have to waltz in here and denigrate a good deed is beyond me.  Get help.
 
2013-12-15 10:33:56 AM  

Hugemeister: omeganuepsilon: foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?

Saying thank you and picking up their lunch  tab of $12.35 is not fellating them.

If it were not for volunteers poor white trash and big city ghetto kids with no options,  it would be back to the draft.  That alone qualifies one for some respect in most people's eyes, that "taking one for the team".

You are an absurd dickhead.

FTFY

Fortunately our culture has created an environment where there is no shortage of those who get 'volunteer duty' for the military. That urban legend of recruiting quotas going down is B.S. The military just lowers the standards of admitance and has a WAIVER for EVERYTHING if the quotas are down...

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2013-12-15 10:35:58 AM  

foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?


Only if you're an attractive female. If you're a guy, I'd prefer you to wash and wax my car. With your tongue.
 
2013-12-15 10:38:15 AM  

undernova: Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.


It can be worse.  A lot of my friends and I got duped by this asshole  http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/05/harrisburg_man_who _ faked_being.html.

Whenever my buddies and I are out at a bar and see a guy in uniform, we like to send a round or two his/her way.  Just a small gesture to say thanks and I've never met a military person who didn't appreciate kicking back with a cold one.  Enter the asshole in the article I linked above.  He use to be a regular at a bar I like to go to.  I'd see him all the time (yeah, I go out way too much).  Seemed legit to me.  WTF do I know, I never served.  He had the gear and talked the talk.  He always had some USMC clothes on and some interesting stories to tell (that turned out to be utter bullshiat).  He even had the dress blues on a few times.  We used to make it farking rain on that guy.  Hell, we just thought he was our bar's resident Marine so that was our boy.  This went on a couple of times a week for the almost two years that we knew him.  Then it turns out he was making the whole thing up.  Never even served at all.  He just disappeared when that article came out.  Haven't seen or heard anything about him in nearly a year now.  I'd love to curb-stomp that fark.

*Warning* If you're an active member of the military or a vet, the article I linked is really going to piss you off.

/still love slinging beers at servicemen/women
 
2013-12-15 10:43:31 AM  

whatdoyouexpect: foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?

What are we talking 'bout here? Just the tip?


No, I think the whole lunch is covered.
 
2013-12-15 10:45:45 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: undernova: Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.

It can be worse.  A lot of my friends and I got duped by this asshole  http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/05/harrisburg_man_who _ faked_being.html.

Whenever my buddies and I are out at a bar and see a guy in uniform, we like to send a round or two his/her way.  Just a small gesture to say thanks and I've never met a military person who didn't appreciate kicking back with a cold one.  Enter the asshole in the article I linked above.  He use to be a regular at a bar I like to go to.  I'd see him all the time (yeah, I go out way too much).  Seemed legit to me.  WTF do I know, I never served.  He had the gear and talked the talk.  He always had some USMC clothes on and some interesting stories to tell (that turned out to be utter bullshiat).  He even had the dress blues on a few times.  We used to make it farking rain on that guy.  Hell, we just thought he was our bar's resident Marine so that was our boy.  This went on a couple of times a week for the almost two years that we knew him.  Then it turns out he was making the whole thing up.  Never even served at all.  He just disappeared when that article came out.  Haven't seen or heard anything about him in nearly a year now.  I'd love to curb-stomp that fark.

*Warning* If you're an active member of the military or a vet, the article I linked is really going to piss you off.

/still love slinging beers at servicemen/women


Hahahahahahahahaha he got you good.
 
2013-12-15 10:46:58 AM  
"At some point I'd love to see it expand to buying a teacher a lunch, or buying a police officer a lunch, or a fireman," Dawson said.

Sure.  If you can buy a congressman, why not a fireman?
 
2013-12-15 10:47:37 AM  

Bslim: Hahahahahahahahaha he got you good.


Fark yeah, he did.
 
2013-12-15 10:48:07 AM  

foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?


It's hardly every opportunity, more like a blowjerb lottery.  We pay them such that their families are on public assistance, find creative ways to ignore their PTSD and high suicide rates, and sweep them under the rug after they're injured and homeless.  But by gum we'll give out free meals and first class airfare upgrades to a random few if it means we can feel better about not wanting to pay for our stupid wars.
 
2013-12-15 10:49:09 AM  

foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?


No, we're just intelligent enough to be able to discriminate between the folks doing the work and those who order them to do it.  Once you grow up, you'll understand that you can dislike the national policy and still work hard to make things a bit better for the guys putting their lives on the line.
 
2013-12-15 10:50:01 AM  
You could say they paid for it with their service, so it still wasn't a free lunch.
 
2013-12-15 10:51:33 AM  
Announcement of previously quiet perk blew its previous cover, but Kind/Nice Thing To Do esp where tale's datelined.
Spouse of long retired SP5 who did his Ntl Svc Lifetime Ago (1970s) mostly in what was WGermany & WBerlin (5 yrs) rather than TheNam, in full cry at time. Send Notes Of Support to 2 fem MPs-to-be now in Basic at FtLostInTheWoods.
 
2013-12-15 10:51:52 AM  

Jim_Callahan: It's an incredibly well-paying job


Know how I know you're full of shiat?

Jim_Callahan: The people I'm calling gullible to the point of stupidity are the idiots who think every soldier is a damned hero or something.


Look up the definition of "hero".  It's requirements are really not all that high under some of it's several definitions.  A father is a hero to his child quite often.  A doctor that makes serious bank can be a hero for saving lives.  Your garbage man can be heroic, taking a job that a lot of humanity refuses to do.

Equating "hero" to exclusively mean one small subset of it's definitions(ie the mythical epic hero) doesn't make you look very intelligent, just biased.

Jim_Callahan: There's pretty much no situation short of world war 3 where a draft would ever be necessary


It would be if we had no volunteers.  In modern society of a nation that has some global power / respect, a military is a necessary "evil", the same way having police is necessary.  People, by and large, are still animals and left to their own devices they often oppress others, if not worse things.

Of course, just the fact that there is a military doesn't mean that oppression happens less, some instances across the globe, the military itself is oppressive.  Ours, as is, is not so bad when compared with other nations, and certainly not when compared to all armed forces of history.

Hugemeister: If it were not for poor white trash and big city ghetto kids,  it would be back to the draft.


While it does have a high ratio of those types, I wouldn't say that their contribution saves civilians from a draft.  Much like other stereotypes, it is blown out of proportion and quite ignorant.
 
2013-12-15 11:02:46 AM  

whatsupchuck: foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?

It's hardly every opportunity, more like a blowjerb lottery.  We pay them such that their families are on public assistance, find creative ways to ignore their PTSD and high suicide rates, and sweep them under the rug after they're injured and homeless.  But by gum we'll give out free meals and first class airfare upgrades to a random few if it means we can feel better about not wanting to pay for our stupid wars.


While there's some truth in that, one's contribution to morale by thanking a soldier with a free meal is not explicitly tied to their politics.  Making that one individual feel better about their life says nothing but just that.

I disagree with a lot of what we do with out military(though I don't gripe specifically about how I'm paying for it, some of it is just a waste of resources).  That is irrelevant to how I'll treat some enlisted chap(unlike entirely too many people who can't manage to be rational.)

Officers are another story.  They do make bank after a much shorter time in service.  They are often also assholes.
 
2013-12-15 11:04:01 AM  
Wars are for overgrown spoiled brats and evil old men.
 
2013-12-15 11:05:17 AM  

omeganuepsilon: foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?

Saying thank you and picking up their lunch  tab of $12.35 is not fellating them.

If it were not for volunteers, it would be back to the draft.  That alone qualifies one for some respect in most people's eyes, that "taking one for the team".

You are an absurd dickhead.


The issue, though, is that the U.S. has gone to a standing army, but its citizens still have the volunteer mentality for it.  Yes, I see a soldier who's been shot at and whatnot getting a thank you or a free meal, but there's just as many (if not more) soldiers who don't get deployed, or who are in non-hazardous positions.  For them, it's a nice job that doesn't pay a whole bunch, but does offer free college tuition and also free trips to new places.  For me, the whole "grab a soldier and say thank you" mentality is bizarre, as I can't think of any wars since WWII where the U.S. was in legitimate danger from the offending country, and, if I were to grab a soldier and say thanks, the odds are that this soldier is just ... there, a mechanic or a cook or a IT person who took the job to get out of whatever rural bumfark or poverty situation they were in.  I'm not so sure that taking that as a career choice is something that requires constant adoration, as well as largesse.
 
2013-12-15 11:33:20 AM  
It's not a free lunch. The servicemembers have to eat there fully expecting to pay for the meal. Then the proprietor randomly selects someone for the freebie. It's great marketing since they are so close to a military installation (I'm assuming Pearl Harbor), they get plenty of business as a result. Win/win.
 
2013-12-15 11:38:14 AM  
So wait, these soldiers aren't earning a paycheck?
 
2013-12-15 11:46:30 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The issue, though, is that the U.S. has gone to a standing army, but its citizens still have the volunteer mentality for it.  Yes, I see a soldier who's been shot at and whatnot getting a thank you or a free meal, but there's just as many (if not more) soldiers who don't get deployed, or who are in non-hazardous positions.  For them, it's a nice job that doesn't pay a whole bunch, but does offer free college tuition and also free trips to new places.  For me, the whole "grab a soldier and say thank you" mentality is bizarre, as I can't think of any wars since WWII where the U.S. was in legitimate danger from the offending country, and, if I were to grab a soldier and say thanks, the odds are that this soldier is just ... there, a mechanic or a cook or a IT person who took the job to get out of whatever rural bumfark or poverty situation they were in.  I'm not so sure that taking that as a career choice is something that requires constant adoration, as well as largesse.


This. I was on a plane the other day where, after we landed, the stewardess made a point of announcing over the intercom that there were some soldiers on the plane and that we should all give them a round of applause for being 'the special people.' I sat near enough to these soldiers to overhear that they weren't even out of basic training and were basically more concerned about what bars they could visit off base when they were bored. Meanwhile I was sitting next to a heart surgeon, another doctor who works to fight the AIDS epidemic in Africa, and a nurse who treats gunshot wounds every night in an inner-city ER, but since they weren't wearing fatigues at the time, they aren't 'special people' worthy of respect and admiration. The point is that a uniform does not make you a good person or worthy of respect above others.
 
2013-12-15 11:48:55 AM  

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2013-12-15 11:54:43 AM  
It's not free, you have to be a soldier. A truly free lunch is some dude coming up to you and now you have lunch. For literally no reason apart from he wanted to give you it. Not "because you are ____"
 
2013-12-15 11:58:00 AM  

47 is the new 42: undernova: Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.

Along with people that pretend they served in the military.


I have a crazy cousin who got kicked out of the marines for being a dumbass. He is on Facebook every other day acting like he is some kind of hero because of his service when he actually only made it about four months before they sent him home. I really want to out him when he is carrying on bit it would start a family died and his mother helps take care of my mother...so I quietly seeth and ignore his dumbass...

He is the type that I would not be surprised to discover that he is a serial killer and has left a trail of bodies across two states. He lies about everything.
 
2013-12-15 12:05:50 PM  
I never enjoy the awkwardness of a random stranger trying to butt-in while I'm trying to pay for something, wrangle me into talking to them at a bar because they bought me a drink and want to hear some stories, or the random person coming up to me and thanking me for my service or even worse asking a ton of questions.

I joined the Army for myself, I wanted a job that would be interesting, challenging, and give me a lot of interesting experiences, plus the money for college was good.  But honestly I didn't do it to "defend freedom" or make people's lives better or because I just love my country so much.

Maybe I'm just weird.
 
2013-12-15 12:11:30 PM  

omeganuepsilon: foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?

Saying thank you and picking up their lunch  tab of $12.35 is not fellating them.

If it were not for volunteers, it would be back to the draft.  That alone qualifies one for some respect in most people's eyes, that "taking one for the team".

You are an absurd dickhead.


If it were not for volunteers, the possibility of needing to draft soldiers would make politicians think longer and harder about starting stupid wars.
 
2013-12-15 12:13:34 PM  

Koodz: omeganuepsilon: foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?

Saying thank you and picking up their lunch  tab of $12.35 is not fellating them.

If it were not for volunteers, it would be back to the draft.  That alone qualifies one for some respect in most people's eyes, that "taking one for the team".

You are an absurd dickhead.

If it were not for volunteers, the possibility of needing to draft soldiers would make politicians think longer and harder about starting stupid wars.


...and that doesn't mean I support a draft.  I just oppose the idea that the wars are mandatory, therefore the only decision we have left is how to supply them with troops.
 
2013-12-15 12:15:47 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: omeganuepsilon: foo monkey: I know it's not "the troops" fault we've started two bullshiat wars in the last 12 years, but do we have to fellate them at every opportunity?

Saying thank you and picking up their lunch  tab of $12.35 is not fellating them.

If it were not for volunteers, it would be back to the draft.  That alone qualifies one for some respect in most people's eyes, that "taking one for the team".

You are an absurd dickhead.

The issue, though, is that the U.S. has gone to a standing army, but its citizens still have the volunteer mentality for it.  Yes, I see a soldier who's been shot at and whatnot getting a thank you or a free meal, but there's just as many (if not more) soldiers who don't get deployed, or who are in non-hazardous positions.  For them, it's a nice job that doesn't pay a whole bunch, but does offer free college tuition and also free trips to new places.  For me, the whole "grab a soldier and say thank you" mentality is bizarre, as I can't think of any wars since WWII where the U.S. was in legitimate danger from the offending country, and, if I were to grab a soldier and say thanks, the odds are that this soldier is just ... there, a mechanic or a cook or a IT person who took the job to get out of whatever rural bumfark or poverty situation they were in.  I'm not so sure that taking that as a career choice is something that requires constant adoration, as well as largesse.


You are making a false equivalncy here.

Talking about "constant adoration" of an individual as if that's actually happening. (Not only does it not, mentioning it that way...it almost sounds like jealousy)

No, the encouragement to thank a soldier is just that.  A random thing that happens somewhat rarely to any given servicemember.

I'm a vet.  I've been thanked a total of 3 times(outside of the VA).  Two worked at a veterans office in a small town courthouse years ago, and by one person this last Veteran's day.

I'm not complaining mind you, it's actually uncomfortable to me. I joined for my own reasons, comfortable without needing praise(extends through my whole life, never handled praise or receiving gifts well, always feels weird).  I'm just putting the information out there. It's not like every soldier is constantly thanked and showered in adoration.  Not everyone is like me however, a thanks that sounds heartfelt can touch them at their very core.

However, it is a gesture of good will, and it is helpful to a lot of servicemembers.  Even when not in wartime they can and do go through a lot more stress than many civilians will ever know.

Half of the whole sentiment behind it is moral of the civilian world, because being nice and smiling is it's own benefit in a way.  and you get to feel you did your part by supporting troops.

The other is to reinforce the soldier, to leave less room for doubt about his choice, to brighten his day, to remind him that he's serving and protecting a grateful populace that are glad he is there.  It makes people feel good to have a purpose.

It strengthens loyalty and bonding to one's society for both parties.

Sure, it evolved out of purely being nice, it wasn't designed, but it has become recognized as greatly helpful.
 
2013-12-15 12:20:03 PM  

Jim_Callahan: It's an incredibly well-paying job for the labor and risks involved, and there's not a huge manpower demand with modern military techniques and technology.



This depends on the MOS. There aren't a lot of private sector jobs you can get if you were Infantry. Information Systems Technician, on the other hand...
 
2013-12-15 12:20:52 PM  
Step in front of a soldier in uniform in line when the clerk tells them their total and look at them and say, your money is no good here...I got this. Thank you for your service. Especially National Guard members working a disaster in your area.
 
2013-12-15 12:25:10 PM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Step in front of a soldier in uniform in line when the clerk tells them their total and look at them and say, your money is no good here...I got this. Thank you for your service. Especially National Guard members working a disaster in your area.


No please don't.
 
2013-12-15 12:27:49 PM  
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2013-12-15 12:32:07 PM  

omeganuepsilon: However, it is a gesture of good will, and it is helpful to a lot of servicemembers. Even when not in wartime they can and do go through a lot more stress than many civilians will ever know.


As someone else noted above, when was the last time someone thanked a doctor?  Or bought them a free meal.  My uncle is a trauma surgeon, and has been for the past twenty years.  I can assure you that he's never been given a free meal or singled out for praise, and he's probably seen more violence and saved more lives than several soldiers.  It's not false equivalency.  A large number of people join the military to escape their area, whether it be poverty or geography.  And, considering that, with a massive standing army, there's so few people (relatively) who have actually faced danger or, really, ever "defended my freedom."  If you've been overseas, fought, gotten wounded, sure, but there's usually a blanket: hey, free meals/money/programs for soldiers, regardless.  Think about various companies who have set goals to hire certain numbers of ex-military, the programs to directly assist homeless vets, etc.
 
2013-12-15 12:44:04 PM  
My dad is a veteran of the Korean War.

Not once, in the entire time I knew him, has he taken charity from any veterans' association or made a big deal about his service. Not once, in my entire life, do I recall him using his veteran status to gain anything other than the occasional minor discount at a department store (when they still did that sort of thing).

He was also a firefighter. And you know what? I know for a fact my father saved lives. He risked his life to do it. And he never once referred to himself (or let other people refer to him) as a hero. He always said he was doing his job. He was paid to do it. He was paid to be in the Army. He was paid to fight fires as a civilian. It was his JOB, and he was only doing what was expected of him in his job.

So when I see veterans getting free shiat left and right, and people going on and on about how saintly and heroic soldiers are, I have to roll my eyes. They were PAID to do what they did. It was their job description. Unless it was Nam or WWII, they weren't drafted, either... They CHOSE that career path, took the money for doing it, and accepted the duties in exchange for that paycheck.

If our soldiers were all volunteers, I'd see why we honor them so much. But they're NOT volunteers. They're employees. They work for the government, and (ideally) for us, but it is a job, not a charitable contribution to our society. They take the risks and they get paid for it. By definition, and because of how my father presented his own service to the world, I can't see someone who gets paid to do something, and then does that thing, as a "hero".

Same goes for cops, by the way. If a cop saves someone's life on duty, it's his job to do so.

A hero is someone who doesn't  get compensated for their good deed, for taking a risk to save others, for giving something significant of themselves-- without it being their job description--  to preserve life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

A gas station clerk who takes a bullet to save the child of a customer is a hero. A soldier who follows his orders and kills a bunch of enemies is not. A housewife who pulls a truck driver out of a burning wreck with no previous experience in such things is a hero for certain. A soldier or firefighter who pulls civilians out of a burning wreck is not a hero; He's doing his job... The job he has been trained  to perform.

So I get really annoyed when I see people treating all soldiers like they're heroes. Some are, and some aren't, but just deciding to accept a well-paid job offer from the U.S. Armed Forces doesn't make someone a hero. When they do it without pay or training, or do it because they've been drafted into it (yet still perform admirably), then I'll say someone is a hero.

So I ask: Why only give these lunches to soldiers (who, by the way, are already being given free lunches by the American people)?  Why not make it "pay a firefighter's lunch tab" day? Or "pay a retail worker's lunch tab after Black Friday" day? Surely, these people have the same situation as a soldier: They take on risk, they get paid for it. The main difference I see is that the soldier DOES get food and lodging as part of his career choice, whereas the firefighter and retail worker do not (well, the full-time firefighter gets SOME, but it's taken out of a fire department's budget and it's not full-time lodging or food; Only when on duty. Part-time/"volunteer" firefighters don't get much of anything aside from pay.)

Finally, don't you dare call a person who takes a huge paycheck, food, clothing, and lodging as a "volunteer" -- They're not volunteers. They're employees. If they only got food, clothing, and lodging, I could maybe see calling them volunteers, but members of the Armed Forces are certainly better-compensated than the average retail or restaurant worker, so I'd say they're not volunteering for diddly-squat; They're working for a living, just like the rest of us.

The guy who works for the power company climbing poles and handling live wires takes risks every day. Nobody buys him a lunch... Why? Because he's doing his job and he's getting paid for it.
 
2013-12-15 12:50:23 PM  
Oh, great... I just re-read the thread, and now everyone's going to think I'm Jim_Calahan's alt or something.

I assure you, I'm not.

I just feel strongly that you can't be a hero if it's your job to do the things for which you're being called a hero.
 
2013-12-15 12:53:36 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: omeganuepsilon: However, it is a gesture of good will, and it is helpful to a lot of servicemembers. Even when not in wartime they can and do go through a lot more stress than many civilians will ever know.

As someone else noted above, when was the last time someone thanked a doctor?  Or bought them a free meal.  My uncle is a trauma surgeon, and has been for the past twenty years.  I can assure you that he's never been given a free meal or singled out for praise, and he's probably seen more violence and saved more lives than several soldiers.  It's not false equivalency.  A large number of people join the military to escape their area, whether it be poverty or geography.  And, considering that, with a massive standing army, there's so few people (relatively) who have actually faced danger or, really, ever "defended my freedom."  If you've been overseas, fought, gotten wounded, sure, but there's usually a blanket: hey, free meals/money/programs for soldiers, regardless.  Think about various companies who have set goals to hire certain numbers of ex-military, the programs to directly assist homeless vets, etc.


As I said, I think the average department store worker sees plenty of risk around Black Friday... Nobody ever offers to buy them a drink or free lunch. Usually, they receive scorn for needing to be on public assistance because the job pays nowhere near a living wage.

And they sometimes ARE heroes, because risking their lives is NOT in their job description, yet they still do it for minimum farking wage every year.
 
2013-12-15 01:19:24 PM  

Koodz: ...and that doesn't mean I support a draft.


No, no, i didn't take that.  I agree with your post, our governemnt on several levels is run by a bunch of ignorant or greedy shiatbags.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: omeganuepsilon: However, it is a gesture of good will, and it is helpful to a lot of servicemembers. Even when not in wartime they can and do go through a lot more stress than many civilians will ever know.

As someone else noted above, when was the last time someone thanked a doctor?  Or bought them a free meal.  My uncle is a trauma surgeon, and has been for the past twenty years.  I can assure you that he's never been given a free meal or singled out for praise, and he's probably seen more violence and saved more lives than several soldiers.  It's not false equivalency.  A large number of people join the military to escape their area, whether it be poverty or geography.  And, considering that, with a massive standing army, there's so few people (relatively) who have actually faced danger or, really, ever "defended my freedom."  If you've been overseas, fought, gotten wounded, sure, but there's usually a blanket: hey, free meals/money/programs for soldiers, regardless.  Think about various companies who have set goals to hire certain numbers of ex-military, the programs to directly assist homeless vets, etc.


It's not a false equivalency, but rather it's irrelevant.  Most of the time a soldier gets thanked by a civilian, it's because the civilian know's that the guy is a soldier, the uniform kind of gives it away.

A trauma surgeon, not so much.  Their uniform, IF it's ever seen in public, isn't necessarily tied with the same kind of voluntary sacrifice.

Ah, you're one of those types that thinks service requires fighting maybe even getting wounded.  Spoken like someone who doesn't understand logistics beyond what he's heard sang on a UPS commercial.

Let me ask you a question.  What is the purpose of the military?

/Heinlein fan's, you just be quiet!

ZeroCorpse: Some are, and some aren't, but just deciding to accept a well-paid job offer from the U.S. Armed Forces doesn't make someone a hero


Again with this tripe.

You are designating a single and deeply emotional personal understanding and attaching it to the word "hero".

Here:
he·ro  [heer-oh]  Show IPA
noun, plural he·roes; for 5 also he·ros.
1.a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.
2.a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal: He was a local hero when he saved the drowning child.
3.the principal male character in a story, play, film, etc.
4.Classical Mythology .
a.a being of godlike prowess and beneficence who often came to be honored as a divinity.
b.(in the Homeric period) a warrior-chieftain of special strength, courage, or ability.
c.(in later antiquity) an immortal being; demigod.
5.hero sandwich.

Your argument is as bad as claiming "he is NOT a hero" on the grounds that the guy isn't a sandwich.

Even if you don't admire him as noble, that does not disqualify him.  The word "hero" is described as anyone who is admired, presumably by anyone.

If I am admired by others for having heroic qualities even if you think I am loathesome, I am still technically a hero.

Technical, the best kind of correct.  Your personal perception of the word has no bearing on another's classification as a hero.
 
2013-12-15 02:06:40 PM  

ZeroCorpse: As I said, I think the average department store worker sees plenty of risk around Black Friday... Nobody ever offers to buy them a drink or free lunch. Usually, they receive scorn for needing to be on public assistance because the job pays nowhere near a living wage.


Which is one of the things that the Free Lunch used to do, in fact.  The origin of the old TANSTAAFL slogan was the 'Free Lunch' which was customarily offered in many bars and pubs in the U.S. to patrons who had ordered a beer.  Many poor folks, including the working poor, took heavy advantage of this to get a heavy meal on the cheap, often the heaviest meal of the day.  The idea behind the coining phrase is that the beer would be cheaper if the pub didn't offer the food at no extra charge, but this is demonstrably incorrect:  The beer wasn't any cheaper then, on average, at places that didn't offer it, nor has beer gotten relatively cheaper in the years since the practice has faded.  The Free Lunch was a combination of charity and loss leader; poor folks got a cheap meal now and then, and better off folks would feel well-disposed towards the place and come back in the evening to drink more (and/or buy more beer with lunch.  The food tended to the salty, as bar snacks still do, to encourage more drinking).
 
2013-12-15 03:44:34 PM  
Nice, they have a redirect to handle Fark traffic.  Haven't noticed one of those for a long while.
 
2013-12-15 04:15:41 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: It's not free, you have to be a soldier. A truly free lunch is some dude coming up to you and now you have lunch. For literally no reason apart from he wanted to give you it. Not "because you are ____"


Even then it's not free:  *SOMEBODY* paid for it.  TANSTAAFL.
 
2013-12-15 07:38:45 PM  
Homeless vet?  Watch him get bounced on out his ear in a second.   This self-congratulatory shiat is largely for Dirk Whitebread Squarejaw, who could afford that "free meal" anyhow.
 
2013-12-15 10:21:21 PM  
Sorry subby. TANSTAFL still holds. Military service is a hell of a price to pay for a free lunch.
 
2013-12-15 10:51:22 PM  
I was at the Dallas/Green Bay game today. I was in line at the concession stand behind 3 young Marines in full dress uniform. By the time they got up to the front, one couple had bought them all a beer, and another guy came and bought them all another round of beers and paid for their food.

Certainly a small perk considering the service they do [even if I don't agree with the current wars].

I was thinking that it must be fairly rare that a uniformed military person has to pay for much, at least if there's a reasonably large crowd around. Which is a nice thing, frankly - again, regardless of whether or not one agrees with the way our nation is currently using the military.
 
2013-12-15 11:18:25 PM  

insano: How about buying meals for homeless people, or, you know, people who need it really badly?


What's stopping you from opening your own wallet?
 
2013-12-16 06:00:33 AM  
HotWingConspiracy: I can nearly guarantee that these same people cheer when VA funding is cut.

Basic Salary (untaxed)
+ Mortgage benefits
+ On-the-job training
+ Employment preferential treatment
+ Insurance benefits
+ Medical Benefits
+ retirement benefits
+ private retail benefits and preferences
+ Education benefits and preferential treatment
+ Childcare benefits
+ Moving, Housing, and Travel benefits
+ Tax benefits

The total salary+benefits of even the lowliest GI with a few years in has been estimated to be equivalent to a $100,000+ salary in the real world.  Of course, their basic pay is relatively small early on (it is a lot higher than many of you assume it to be later on).

So, if you are one who wants to show a soldier your appreciation, fine, no problem.  But for the love of god can the "poor, underpaid" soldier myth finally come to an end?  It basically hasn't been true since the 1970s though lord knows a lot of em sheepishly don't deny it.

Some farker wrote about "VA funding cuts."  Have you actually looked at the VA budget?

Hint:

"DAYTON -- The Department of Veterans Affairs spends more today in inflation adjusted dollars than it did after World War II and the Vietnam War, when millions of troops returned from the battlefield, according to federal budget figures. "

this from october 2013 / military dot com.

So, hotwingconspiracy, i say this as nicely as i can:  FARK YOU.  fark you for not doing the slightest bit of research.
 
2013-12-16 09:25:58 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: It basically hasn't been true since the 1970s though lord knows a lot of em sheepishly don't deny it.


Back when I was in the Army, in the late 1980's, even as a lowly PFC or Specialist, I was making decent enough money.  I wasn't *RICH*, but I was clearing about $800 or so a month in my check, the equivalent of about $1,644 a month today, and other than shiat like soap, toothpaste, haircuts, and shoe polish, I had few expenses.  I lived in the barracks and ate in the chow hall most of the time, so pretty much I could spend about $790 a month on beer.  Even at Hawaiian prices, that was a lot of beer.

I never cried poor-mouth when I was in, hell, I bought a bunch of crap with cash.  Nice large TV.  Couple rifles both worth around ~$1000 each when you add in the accessories.  Computer worth about $1k.  Had a car for a while, a cute little Triumph Spitfire, great car for Hawaii.  All paid for with cash.

Meanwhile, one of my room-mates was always poor because he bought shiat at the rent-to-own places, like a humongous farkin' stereo that he couldn't play at any real volume because it's the farkin' *BARRACKS* of a unit that works rotating shifts, so there is always someone trying to sleep.
 
2013-12-16 09:53:43 AM  

Wild Eyed and Wicked: 47 is the new 42: undernova: Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.

Along with people that pretend they served in the military.

I have a crazy cousin who got kicked out of the marines for being a dumbass. He is on Facebook every other day acting like he is some kind of hero because of his service when he actually only made it about four months before they sent him home. I really want to out him when he is carrying on bit it would start a family died and his mother helps take care of my mother...so I quietly seeth and ignore his dumbass...

He is the type that I would not be surprised to discover that he is a serial killer and has left a trail of bodies across two states. He lies about everything.


I see your point, but I was talking about people that never served in the military period.  Not served for a bit and then got kicked out.
 
2013-12-16 10:27:28 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: undernova: Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.

It can be worse.  A lot of my friends and I got duped by this asshole  http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/05/harrisburg_man_who _ faked_being.html.

Whenever my buddies and I are out at a bar and see a guy in uniform, we like to send a round or two his/her way.  Just a small gesture to say thanks and I've never met a military person who didn't appreciate kicking back with a cold one.  Enter the asshole in the article I linked above.  He use to be a regular at a bar I like to go to.  I'd see him all the time (yeah, I go out way too much).  Seemed legit to me.  WTF do I know, I never served.  He had the gear and talked the talk.  He always had some USMC clothes on and some interesting stories to tell (that turned out to be utter bullshiat).  He even had the dress blues on a few times.  We used to make it farking rain on that guy.  Hell, we just thought he was our bar's resident Marine so that was our boy.  This went on a couple of times a week for the almost two years that we knew him.  Then it turns out he was making the whole thing up.  Never even served at all.  He just disappeared when that article came out.  Haven't seen or heard anything about him in nearly a year now.  I'd love to curb-stomp that fark.

*Warning* If you're an active member of the military or a vet, the article I linked is really going to piss you off.

/still love slinging beers at servicemen/women


Stories like this are why I feel any one in the service should refuse any type of freebie with an answer of, "No thank you, it is my duty  and honor to serve."   If they don't do that you know they are a bullshiat scam artist or not a very good soldier.  This would be a good rule for cops to follow too.
 
2013-12-16 03:58:58 PM  
I knew somebody who joined after 9/11 simply because he wanted to get him some revenge on the ebil backwards towelheads. I shudder at the thought of anybody referring to him or his ilk as "heroes."
 
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