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(Hawaii News Now)   There's no such thing as a free lunch... unless you're a soldier at this restaurant where the locals have been playing the "pay a random soldier's lunch tab every day" game for almost a year   (hawaiinewsnow.com) divider line 65
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2013-12-15 12:50:23 PM
Oh, great... I just re-read the thread, and now everyone's going to think I'm Jim_Calahan's alt or something.

I assure you, I'm not.

I just feel strongly that you can't be a hero if it's your job to do the things for which you're being called a hero.
 
2013-12-15 12:53:36 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: omeganuepsilon: However, it is a gesture of good will, and it is helpful to a lot of servicemembers. Even when not in wartime they can and do go through a lot more stress than many civilians will ever know.

As someone else noted above, when was the last time someone thanked a doctor?  Or bought them a free meal.  My uncle is a trauma surgeon, and has been for the past twenty years.  I can assure you that he's never been given a free meal or singled out for praise, and he's probably seen more violence and saved more lives than several soldiers.  It's not false equivalency.  A large number of people join the military to escape their area, whether it be poverty or geography.  And, considering that, with a massive standing army, there's so few people (relatively) who have actually faced danger or, really, ever "defended my freedom."  If you've been overseas, fought, gotten wounded, sure, but there's usually a blanket: hey, free meals/money/programs for soldiers, regardless.  Think about various companies who have set goals to hire certain numbers of ex-military, the programs to directly assist homeless vets, etc.


As I said, I think the average department store worker sees plenty of risk around Black Friday... Nobody ever offers to buy them a drink or free lunch. Usually, they receive scorn for needing to be on public assistance because the job pays nowhere near a living wage.

And they sometimes ARE heroes, because risking their lives is NOT in their job description, yet they still do it for minimum farking wage every year.
 
2013-12-15 01:19:24 PM

Koodz: ...and that doesn't mean I support a draft.


No, no, i didn't take that.  I agree with your post, our governemnt on several levels is run by a bunch of ignorant or greedy shiatbags.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: omeganuepsilon: However, it is a gesture of good will, and it is helpful to a lot of servicemembers. Even when not in wartime they can and do go through a lot more stress than many civilians will ever know.

As someone else noted above, when was the last time someone thanked a doctor?  Or bought them a free meal.  My uncle is a trauma surgeon, and has been for the past twenty years.  I can assure you that he's never been given a free meal or singled out for praise, and he's probably seen more violence and saved more lives than several soldiers.  It's not false equivalency.  A large number of people join the military to escape their area, whether it be poverty or geography.  And, considering that, with a massive standing army, there's so few people (relatively) who have actually faced danger or, really, ever "defended my freedom."  If you've been overseas, fought, gotten wounded, sure, but there's usually a blanket: hey, free meals/money/programs for soldiers, regardless.  Think about various companies who have set goals to hire certain numbers of ex-military, the programs to directly assist homeless vets, etc.


It's not a false equivalency, but rather it's irrelevant.  Most of the time a soldier gets thanked by a civilian, it's because the civilian know's that the guy is a soldier, the uniform kind of gives it away.

A trauma surgeon, not so much.  Their uniform, IF it's ever seen in public, isn't necessarily tied with the same kind of voluntary sacrifice.

Ah, you're one of those types that thinks service requires fighting maybe even getting wounded.  Spoken like someone who doesn't understand logistics beyond what he's heard sang on a UPS commercial.

Let me ask you a question.  What is the purpose of the military?

/Heinlein fan's, you just be quiet!

ZeroCorpse: Some are, and some aren't, but just deciding to accept a well-paid job offer from the U.S. Armed Forces doesn't make someone a hero


Again with this tripe.

You are designating a single and deeply emotional personal understanding and attaching it to the word "hero".

Here:
he·ro  [heer-oh]  Show IPA
noun, plural he·roes; for 5 also he·ros.
1.a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.
2.a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal: He was a local hero when he saved the drowning child.
3.the principal male character in a story, play, film, etc.
4.Classical Mythology .
a.a being of godlike prowess and beneficence who often came to be honored as a divinity.
b.(in the Homeric period) a warrior-chieftain of special strength, courage, or ability.
c.(in later antiquity) an immortal being; demigod.
5.hero sandwich.

Your argument is as bad as claiming "he is NOT a hero" on the grounds that the guy isn't a sandwich.

Even if you don't admire him as noble, that does not disqualify him.  The word "hero" is described as anyone who is admired, presumably by anyone.

If I am admired by others for having heroic qualities even if you think I am loathesome, I am still technically a hero.

Technical, the best kind of correct.  Your personal perception of the word has no bearing on another's classification as a hero.
 
2013-12-15 02:06:40 PM

ZeroCorpse: As I said, I think the average department store worker sees plenty of risk around Black Friday... Nobody ever offers to buy them a drink or free lunch. Usually, they receive scorn for needing to be on public assistance because the job pays nowhere near a living wage.


Which is one of the things that the Free Lunch used to do, in fact.  The origin of the old TANSTAAFL slogan was the 'Free Lunch' which was customarily offered in many bars and pubs in the U.S. to patrons who had ordered a beer.  Many poor folks, including the working poor, took heavy advantage of this to get a heavy meal on the cheap, often the heaviest meal of the day.  The idea behind the coining phrase is that the beer would be cheaper if the pub didn't offer the food at no extra charge, but this is demonstrably incorrect:  The beer wasn't any cheaper then, on average, at places that didn't offer it, nor has beer gotten relatively cheaper in the years since the practice has faded.  The Free Lunch was a combination of charity and loss leader; poor folks got a cheap meal now and then, and better off folks would feel well-disposed towards the place and come back in the evening to drink more (and/or buy more beer with lunch.  The food tended to the salty, as bar snacks still do, to encourage more drinking).
 
2013-12-15 03:44:34 PM
Nice, they have a redirect to handle Fark traffic.  Haven't noticed one of those for a long while.
 
2013-12-15 04:15:41 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: It's not free, you have to be a soldier. A truly free lunch is some dude coming up to you and now you have lunch. For literally no reason apart from he wanted to give you it. Not "because you are ____"


Even then it's not free:  *SOMEBODY* paid for it.  TANSTAAFL.
 
2013-12-15 07:38:45 PM
Homeless vet?  Watch him get bounced on out his ear in a second.   This self-congratulatory shiat is largely for Dirk Whitebread Squarejaw, who could afford that "free meal" anyhow.
 
2013-12-15 10:21:21 PM
Sorry subby. TANSTAFL still holds. Military service is a hell of a price to pay for a free lunch.
 
2013-12-15 10:51:22 PM
I was at the Dallas/Green Bay game today. I was in line at the concession stand behind 3 young Marines in full dress uniform. By the time they got up to the front, one couple had bought them all a beer, and another guy came and bought them all another round of beers and paid for their food.

Certainly a small perk considering the service they do [even if I don't agree with the current wars].

I was thinking that it must be fairly rare that a uniformed military person has to pay for much, at least if there's a reasonably large crowd around. Which is a nice thing, frankly - again, regardless of whether or not one agrees with the way our nation is currently using the military.
 
2013-12-15 11:18:25 PM

insano: How about buying meals for homeless people, or, you know, people who need it really badly?


What's stopping you from opening your own wallet?
 
2013-12-16 06:00:33 AM
HotWingConspiracy: I can nearly guarantee that these same people cheer when VA funding is cut.

Basic Salary (untaxed)
+ Mortgage benefits
+ On-the-job training
+ Employment preferential treatment
+ Insurance benefits
+ Medical Benefits
+ retirement benefits
+ private retail benefits and preferences
+ Education benefits and preferential treatment
+ Childcare benefits
+ Moving, Housing, and Travel benefits
+ Tax benefits

The total salary+benefits of even the lowliest GI with a few years in has been estimated to be equivalent to a $100,000+ salary in the real world.  Of course, their basic pay is relatively small early on (it is a lot higher than many of you assume it to be later on).

So, if you are one who wants to show a soldier your appreciation, fine, no problem.  But for the love of god can the "poor, underpaid" soldier myth finally come to an end?  It basically hasn't been true since the 1970s though lord knows a lot of em sheepishly don't deny it.

Some farker wrote about "VA funding cuts."  Have you actually looked at the VA budget?

Hint:

"DAYTON -- The Department of Veterans Affairs spends more today in inflation adjusted dollars than it did after World War II and the Vietnam War, when millions of troops returned from the battlefield, according to federal budget figures. "

this from october 2013 / military dot com.

So, hotwingconspiracy, i say this as nicely as i can:  FARK YOU.  fark you for not doing the slightest bit of research.
 
2013-12-16 09:25:58 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: It basically hasn't been true since the 1970s though lord knows a lot of em sheepishly don't deny it.


Back when I was in the Army, in the late 1980's, even as a lowly PFC or Specialist, I was making decent enough money.  I wasn't *RICH*, but I was clearing about $800 or so a month in my check, the equivalent of about $1,644 a month today, and other than shiat like soap, toothpaste, haircuts, and shoe polish, I had few expenses.  I lived in the barracks and ate in the chow hall most of the time, so pretty much I could spend about $790 a month on beer.  Even at Hawaiian prices, that was a lot of beer.

I never cried poor-mouth when I was in, hell, I bought a bunch of crap with cash.  Nice large TV.  Couple rifles both worth around ~$1000 each when you add in the accessories.  Computer worth about $1k.  Had a car for a while, a cute little Triumph Spitfire, great car for Hawaii.  All paid for with cash.

Meanwhile, one of my room-mates was always poor because he bought shiat at the rent-to-own places, like a humongous farkin' stereo that he couldn't play at any real volume because it's the farkin' *BARRACKS* of a unit that works rotating shifts, so there is always someone trying to sleep.
 
2013-12-16 09:53:43 AM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: 47 is the new 42: undernova: Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.

Along with people that pretend they served in the military.

I have a crazy cousin who got kicked out of the marines for being a dumbass. He is on Facebook every other day acting like he is some kind of hero because of his service when he actually only made it about four months before they sent him home. I really want to out him when he is carrying on bit it would start a family died and his mother helps take care of my mother...so I quietly seeth and ignore his dumbass...

He is the type that I would not be surprised to discover that he is a serial killer and has left a trail of bodies across two states. He lies about everything.


I see your point, but I was talking about people that never served in the military period.  Not served for a bit and then got kicked out.
 
2013-12-16 10:27:28 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: undernova: Soldiers are people, too. Announcing this quiet little perk to the world guarantees an influx of dickhead GI's who think they're entitled to the (hopefully) free meal.

It can be worse.  A lot of my friends and I got duped by this asshole  http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/05/harrisburg_man_who _ faked_being.html.

Whenever my buddies and I are out at a bar and see a guy in uniform, we like to send a round or two his/her way.  Just a small gesture to say thanks and I've never met a military person who didn't appreciate kicking back with a cold one.  Enter the asshole in the article I linked above.  He use to be a regular at a bar I like to go to.  I'd see him all the time (yeah, I go out way too much).  Seemed legit to me.  WTF do I know, I never served.  He had the gear and talked the talk.  He always had some USMC clothes on and some interesting stories to tell (that turned out to be utter bullshiat).  He even had the dress blues on a few times.  We used to make it farking rain on that guy.  Hell, we just thought he was our bar's resident Marine so that was our boy.  This went on a couple of times a week for the almost two years that we knew him.  Then it turns out he was making the whole thing up.  Never even served at all.  He just disappeared when that article came out.  Haven't seen or heard anything about him in nearly a year now.  I'd love to curb-stomp that fark.

*Warning* If you're an active member of the military or a vet, the article I linked is really going to piss you off.

/still love slinging beers at servicemen/women


Stories like this are why I feel any one in the service should refuse any type of freebie with an answer of, "No thank you, it is my duty  and honor to serve."   If they don't do that you know they are a bullshiat scam artist or not a very good soldier.  This would be a good rule for cops to follow too.
 
2013-12-16 03:58:58 PM
I knew somebody who joined after 9/11 simply because he wanted to get him some revenge on the ebil backwards towelheads. I shudder at the thought of anybody referring to him or his ilk as "heroes."
 
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