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2013-12-15 10:09:53 AM

walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.


Nope.
It's the heat from laptops baking their balls. Nothing to do with EM. Reread your studies.
 
2013-12-15 10:11:37 AM

hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011

Yeah. Howabout no.

I am a fast reader and what you just said was my exact reaction.  That's talking about something else you know;that's talking about people who say their wifi or whatever electrical is making them sick, not talking about sperm. In fact, it doesn't mention it.

My apologies. Here's a better link debunking the study.


I appreciate you recognizing the other link wasn't the one you meant, but this is almost worse.

Of the over 2000 men, over 900 already had low sperms counts, and then they answered a questionnaire and from that is your "science."

Taking someone's word on a questionnaire is scientifically helpful if the person is telling the absolute truth, so for sake of argument, they're telling the truth, still these men previously stated they had low sperm counts, hence it's not as helpful or scientifically valid as a larger group with men who do not know their sperms counts.  Then one could do a control group and on and on.
 
2013-12-15 10:13:45 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.


Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?
 
2013-12-15 10:15:07 AM

kitsuneymg: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Nope.
It's the heat from laptops baking their balls. Nothing to do with EM. Reread your studies.


You may not know this, but there are  better sources. Now you go read 'em. ;)
 
2013-12-15 10:15:24 AM

walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?


Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.
 
2013-12-15 10:17:30 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.


Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?
 
2013-12-15 10:23:36 AM

walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.

Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?


None of that matters, any more than your two-week old account matters. I ridicule you for what you say, and not for your CV.
 
2013-12-15 10:27:30 AM

walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.

Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?


Well, let's put it this way...frankly I don't care if you're a rocket scientist for NASA, you're still white-knighting a site that is roughly as trustworthy re "OMFG VACCINES ARE BACKDOOR GENOCIDE!" as, oh, Stormfront is re Teh J00ish Conspiracy (There Is No Jewish Conspiracy) or the AFA is about Teh Gay Agenda Of World Domination Via Fabulosity (There Is No Gay Agenda Of World Domination Via Fabulosity) or your average NARasitised neopentecostal church was in the 80s re "SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE" (there has been no reliable evidence ever found for the existence of large diabolist cabals, but there interestingly HAS been found evidence of systematic religiously-motivated child abuse in NARasitic groups, occasionally of a maiming and/or fatal nature).

Which is to say, "I want to know just WHERE they're keeping roughly a million head of Angus cattle and how much they pay for Exlax-infused cattle feed per month, because that's the only logical explanation I can find for the sheer tonnage of bullshiat being spewed."
 
2013-12-15 10:28:46 AM
I have always depended on the findings of school kids in singular experiments to make my scientific determinations for me.  I banned vinegar and baking soda from my house entirely and haven't suffered a single volcano since doing so.
 
2013-12-15 10:30:14 AM

jake_lex: whistleridge: I'm dubious. There are so many factors at play here. I can haz multiple independent confirmations?

Yeah, especially since the article ends this way:

Moreover, according to a teacher at their school, Kim Horsevad, a professor of neuroscience at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden was so impressed with the experiment that he is interested in repeating it in a controlled scientific environment.

That is, "Let's try this with people who actually know how to grow plants."


This is a beautiful example of Class A1 trolling by a professor of neuroscience. It's more, "Let's try this with people who actually know how to conduct proper experiments"
 
2013-12-15 10:31:47 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.

Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?

None of that matters, any more than your two-week old account matters. I ridicule you for what you say, and not for your CV.


Haaaahahahaa Oh thank you, I hadn't laughed too much today until then. My "two week old account", as if that means anything..lol  That's the lamest appeal to authority I have ever seen. Congratulations.

"Plugs ears and shuts eyes, your account is new; mine is I am more correct!111" -(you)

You win at life; your fark account is older, thus you're correct.  *musses your hair*
 
2013-12-15 10:34:35 AM
That's a lot of words just to tell me that you don't understand that stopped clocks(that website) are right twice a day, Great Porn Dragon.

Or, if you have ever been incorrect over anything, GPD, you've never been correct.
 
2013-12-15 10:38:00 AM

walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled


You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?
 
2013-12-15 10:38:26 AM

skinink: "The experiment began when the five students realized that they had difficulty concentrating in school if they slept near their mobile phones the previous night."


I can prove this one, it's caused by the non stop beeps and bells from the #)$(@# phone. Also that cheap charger, it makes a high pitched whine when the phone is charged. (most likely a capacitor is going)
 
2013-12-15 10:38:59 AM

commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?


Yes.
 
2013-12-15 10:40:14 AM

walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?

Yes.


Good.
 
2013-12-15 10:41:01 AM
If I were a kid today, and doing a science fair project, here's what I'd do: I'd tell my family, friends, and everyone I know that I'm growing six pea plants for a very important experiment, and that I want everybody to pray for all six plants to grow as tall, strong, and healthy as they can.

What I wouldn't tell them: I have twelve pea plants.
 
2013-12-15 10:41:12 AM

commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?

Yes.

Good.


Indeed. *adjusts monocle*
 
2013-12-15 10:42:44 AM

walktoanarcade: Haaaahahahaa Oh thank you, I hadn't laughed too much today until then. My "two week old account", as if that means anything..lol  That's the lamest appeal to authority I have ever seen. Congratulations.

"Plugs ears and shuts eyes, your account is new; mine is I am more correct!111" -(you)

You win at life; your fark account is older, thus you're correct.  *musses your hair*


...completely missing the fact that you were the one who appealed to authority in the first place. "How old are you? You don't know what I do for a living..."

To which I pointed out your CV means no more than the age of your Fark account.

To say that plants "use air" to communicate is oversimplification worthy of a CNN pop science article. Plants use chemical signals, and those chemicals pass through the air. EM transmissions work nothing like chemical transmissions, so no, the fact that plants can emit and detect chemicals in the air doesn't affect the plausibility of this pseudoscientific claim.

I continue to ridicule you.
 
2013-12-15 10:43:11 AM
By the way, I never said EM was interfering with sound waves. Someone else claimed that's what I meant.
 
2013-12-15 10:45:17 AM
Is this a new twist on the "microwaved water kills plants" urban legend but with a new twist since the original version was debunked ages ago?
 
2013-12-15 10:47:25 AM
Saw the included picture in the article and it gave me 'Nam-esque flashbacks...

That isn't a wireless access point. It's a COM-21 DOXPORT 1110 cable modem, and the worst such modem ever made. So many hours on the phone over almost 2 years listening to customer complaints, and tens of thousands of dollars wasted on truck rolls for non existent problems to swap these things out. First, the Ethernet port was only half-duplex so gamers and video streams by webcam women would never work. Second the damn things always reported back incorrect RF levels, so lazy field techs that used the modem to tune the signal instead of a meter would get it wrong and make things worse.

If you worked at COM-21 and had a hand in the design of this thing, please do the honorable thing and take your own life for the hell wot you wrought upon this earth. And fark you too author of this article for not just the bad memories you unleashed from the dark corners of my mind, but the fact that you can't even use the correct stock photo to accompany you asinine story, you buzz-feed hack!
 
2013-12-15 10:48:07 AM

wichitaleaf: Linux_Yes: SpdrJay: My Wi-Fi router gave me pinkeye.


better than chapass.

Is that like swamp ass.



sort of. except you get more pinkeye (and ringsting) with chapass.  swampass is just an uncomfortable moist, swamplike, precursor to chapass.
 
2013-12-15 10:50:42 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: To say that plants "use air" to communicate is oversimplification worthy of a CNN pop science article. Plants use chemical signals, and those chemicals pass through the air.


Yes, they use the air. Should I have said utilize?

Here's a tip: People do not have to talk about everything in depth that second to engage in ancillary ideas.
 
2013-12-15 10:52:10 AM

hardinparamedic: Just jizz in this plate. That's all we need here.


If this was said in real life, I would have to follow it with a "that is what your mom said".
 
2013-12-15 10:53:40 AM

Great Porn Dragon: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...


So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.

Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?

Well, let's put it this way...frankly I don't care if you're a rocket scientist for NASA, you're still white-knighting a site that is roughly as trustworthy re "OMFG VACCINES ARE BACKDOOR GENOCIDE!" as, oh, Stormfront is re Teh J00ish Conspiracy (There Is No Jewish Conspiracy) or the AFA is about Teh Gay Agenda Of World Domination Via Fabulosity (There Is No Gay Agenda Of World Domination Via Fabulosity) or your average NARasitised neopentecostal church was in the 80s re "SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE" (there has been no reliable evidence ever found for the existence of large diabolist cabals, but there interestingly HAS been found evidence of systematic religiously-motivated child abuse in NARasitic groups, occasionally of a maiming and/or fatal nature).

Which is to say, "I want to know just WHERE they're keeping roughly a million head of Angus cattle and how much they pay for Exlax-infused cattle feed per month, because that's the only logical explanation I can find for the sheer tonnage of bullshiat being spewed."



i11.tinypic.com

 
2013-12-15 10:56:12 AM
OK I have an idea, lets assume that Wi-Fi is bad for your sperm. Think about what the means, it means that extremely low energy electromagnetic radiation reduces your sperm count.  We are bathed in much higher energy EM radiation constantly.  Nude beach? Sterile. X-Ray? Sterile.  'Nearby' supernova? Sterile.  How can this be held up to be true while we continue to exist as a species despite experiencing what are in comparison massive doses of EM radiation?
 
2013-12-15 11:00:36 AM
Background radiation of course is of no concern.
 
2013-12-15 11:01:53 AM

walktoanarcade: Of the over 2000 men, over 900 already had low sperms counts, and then they answered a questionnaire and from that is your "science."

Taking someone's word on a questionnaire is scientifically helpful if the person is telling the absolute truth, so for sake of argument, they're telling the truth, still these men previously stated they had low sperm counts, hence it's not as helpful or scientifically valid as a larger group with men who do not know their sperms counts. Then one could do a control group and on and on.


Uhmmm... Wait... What? Having extra information about the baseline sperm count isn't useful when investigating the influence of something on sperm count and/or sperm health? Seriously?
 
2013-12-15 11:02:34 AM
I did this exact same experiment for my science fair project in the early 90's, although I was "studying" the effects of electromagnetic fields by placing the plants near a television. If these girls used the same amount of scientific rigor that I did, you may want to hold off for confirmation before you trash your wireless router. I took a bunch of pictures, made a few readings that supported my hypothesis, and rode that all way to the International Science and Engineering Fair. And it was all complete bullshiat because I didn't have the attention span to water the plants every day and ended up killing them off without letting them grow long enough to prove anything at all. I had to have results because my grade depended on them, so I made shiat up and presented my "results" really well on a fancy project board. Science!!
 
2013-12-15 11:04:21 AM
My sister injected 4 Wi-Fis and overdosed.

So dangerous... :(
 
2013-12-15 11:06:11 AM

walktoanarcade: Here's a tip: People do not have to talk about everything in depth that second to engage in ancillary ideas.


Here's another tip: Unless you have a basis to show that wi-fi affects the message chemicals, or that the plants in the science-fair-esque "study" have any damage attributable to the pest-response messages that we've seen sent by plant chemistry, it's pretty silly to jump on the plausibility crusade by saying, "Plants use air, and wi-fi uses air, therefore...."

Plants can use air to pollenize, too. They use it for respiration. The sun passes through the air to to fuel photosynthesis. Their pests and symbiotic pollenizers use the air for transportation. Some plants count on the air to spread their seeds.

Do you have any information at all that says wi-fi affects any aspect of the atmosphere that would in turn affect any of these processes? If the answer is no (and it is), then what you say is a silly thing. A household fan has a greater effect on all of these processes.
 
2013-12-15 11:07:04 AM

walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results.


Yes. Yes she does.
 
2013-12-15 11:09:57 AM

DerAppie: walktoanarcade: Of the over 2000 men, over 900 already had low sperms counts, and then they answered a questionnaire and from that is your "science."

Taking someone's word on a questionnaire is scientifically helpful if the person is telling the absolute truth, so for sake of argument, they're telling the truth, still these men previously stated they had low sperm counts, hence it's not as helpful or scientifically valid as a larger group with men who do not know their sperms counts. Then one could do a control group and on and on.

Uhmmm... Wait... What? Having extra information about the baseline sperm count isn't useful when investigating the influence of something on sperm count and/or sperm health? Seriously?


If the study is to discover if and how wifi affects sperm, using utilizing men who previously have reported sperm count problems(which could have been caused by numerous things) prejudices the study.  One needs to take a large, random group of men, make them use wifi, then look at the findings vs a large random group of men who, under control conditions of course, do not use wifi.
 
2013-12-15 11:10:46 AM

Closed_Minded_Bastage: walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results.

Yes. Yes she does.


Ah shiat. lol
 
2013-12-15 11:11:17 AM

walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011


You bet she did
 
2013-12-15 11:15:47 AM

nickdaisy: Most people would still happily install a radiation emitting device in their home if it gave them quick, unfettered access to stock quote and bukkake.  Remember the old days when you had to watch the news to get that stuff?


Is CNN showing bukkake these days? I guess that's one way to improve ratings!
 
2013-12-15 11:18:02 AM

walktoanarcade: That's a lot of words just to tell me that you don't understand that stopped clocks(that website) are right twice a day, Great Porn Dragon.

Or, if you have ever been incorrect over anything, GPD, you've never been correct.


Actually, that was more of a "If there's anything TO this, there is almost always a far more reliable source it can be posted from; WHERE one posts info from can colour it if it's known to be an unreliable source, doubly so if it's an unreliable source known primarily for dispensing amounts of bullshiat only normally seen in an industrial feedlot".

Yes, it matters where you get the info from.  Natural News is about as far from a reliable source as you can get; it's a site that makes the Daily Mail look like the goddamn Lancet in comparison.  The owner of the site literally has not found a conspiracy theory he didn't like yet, and thinking individuals tend to treat material from that site about the same way that one would treat info from similarly dubious information sources (which also trend to conspiratorialism and occasional outright hate speech).

Also, as an aside--there are a number of pieces of evidence against this, some ancedotal, some otherwise (and frankly until the experiment these kids did is repeated under controlled conditions, repeatedly...it's ancedotal).  Amateur radio operators should theoretically be dropping dead of cancer left and right (especially those amateur radio operators experimenting with 23cm and down frequency bands; 23cm is 900MHz, right above the old Nextel IDEN band that Sprint is repurposing for LTE, and there are amateur radio allocations both in the 1200MHz and in the middle of the 802.11a/b/g band at 2.4GHz and considerably above this (if you're curious, here's the ARRL's allocation chart in pdf format).  In addition, amateur radio operators tend to operate at much higher power than is produced by 802.11a/b/g/n routers and cell phones normally.

(In fact--and this is probably going to shock you--channels 1-8 on your average 802.11a/b/g router are actually in an amateur radio allocation as are channels 132-165 on 802.11n routers, and wifi routers technically have secondary allocation (priority would legally go to an amateur radio operator) as these are considered low-power devices.  There's a bit of a closet hobby among some amateur radio operators to modify Linksys routers in particular (DDWRT-friendly routers in particular) to increase broadcast frequencies and power to the lower end of the 2390-2450MHz amateur radio allocation...specifically to use these as higher-power amateur radio transceivers for packet radio.  We've not been seeing an epidemic of cancer and sudden death in amateur radio operators playing around in the gigahertz bands (and this has been a thing for...shall we say...a while, like "past fifty years at least" while, usually with homebrewed equipment or military surplus) of the sort we'd expect if there were serious problems with sub-watt levels of radio frequency radiation in the microwave bands.

(For that matter, there's not been huge epidemics of cancer and sudden death in schools and in public safety agencies--and they've been using microwave bands for transmission (again, at considerably higher power than the average wifi router...try "more like 5 to 50 watts at least of ERP") since the late 70s in many cases.  My own school system used microwave transceivers for its "tele-class" computer network and also for "tele-course" broadcasts from our local public television network, and seeing as it was in every school there should be in theory half of Jefferson County Public Schools dropping dead from all sorts of weird farking cancers; hasn't happened yet.)

And for the record, yes, I am occasionally falliable.  I also know the importance of reliable sourcing, though. :D
 
2013-12-15 11:19:00 AM

walktoanarcade: Zarquon's Flat Tire: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

You know what else affects testicles? Heat, like from a laptop.

Really, if you'd check, wifi affects sperm, and it's been confirmed.  It's old news.

Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011.


Where are your links supporting your argument here? Assuming you meant wifi and not "wife", I checked out the ABC article you mention above. In the main study they discuss, experimental sperm is placed under a wifi-enabled laptop while control sperm is just placed near an wifi-disabled laptop. Good study design there, Lou!

ABC even goes on to "cite" some unnamed study from some month of November (the mobile site wont let me copy and paste on my iPad) where experts conclude that the heat given off by laptops is damaging to sperm (imagine that!).

Maybe find some better support for your ridiculous claims?
 
2013-12-15 11:22:29 AM
That's weird, considering I'm a gardener and I start everything from seed. I also have three wifi access points flooding my house: one in the attic, one on the first floor and one in the basement by where I store and germinate my seeds.

Strangely enough my seeds and plants all grow just fine. Most seeds I have, even the ones stored next to the router for a few years, have somewhere around a 98% germination rate. Keeping the seeds dry while storing them and then making sure the growing medium is kept at the right temperature and moisture is what matters, wifi doesn't do jack squat.

Hell, my seeds do better now that I've added the 2nd and 3rd access points vs before I had them. Of course that is actually a result of my increase in knowledge during that time...
 
2013-12-15 11:24:40 AM
Oh of course I only meant to look at the ABC link. I did not say "results" plural.

Keep cherry-picking and don't read my posts with much comprehension. Good, fark.(some of you can still read, good on you)
 
2013-12-15 11:24:56 AM

Claude Ballse: Saw the included picture in the article and it gave me 'Nam-esque flashbacks...

That isn't a wireless access point. It's a COM-21 DOXPORT 1110 cable modem, and the worst such modem ever made. So many hours on the phone over almost 2 years listening to customer complaints, and tens of thousands of dollars wasted on truck rolls for non existent problems to swap these things out. First, the Ethernet port was only half-duplex so gamers and video streams by webcam women would never work. Second the damn things always reported back incorrect RF levels, so lazy field techs that used the modem to tune the signal instead of a meter would get it wrong and make things worse.

If you worked at COM-21 and had a hand in the design of this thing, please do the honorable thing and take your own life for the hell wot you wrought upon this earth. And fark you too author of this article for not just the bad memories you unleashed from the dark corners of my mind, but the fact that you can't even use the correct stock photo to accompany you asinine story, you buzz-feed hack!


Oh mother of God, I know your pain.  I know your pain, having long ago (when non-avian dinosaurs roamed the earth) worked at a cable modem support center where there were once a fair number of Com21 Doxports...

And yes, anyone involved in their design should be forcibly defenestrated.  Preferably from the top level of the Petronas Towers, if not the Burj Khalifa,  (Hell, I'd argue that anyone involved at any level of the design of Com21 kit should be defenestrated from a good height on general principle.)
 
2013-12-15 11:27:42 AM

mongbiohazard: That's weird, considering I'm a gardener and I start everything from seed. I also have three wifi access points flooding my house: one in the attic, one on the first floor and one in the basement by where I store and germinate my seeds.

Strangely enough my seeds and plants all grow just fine. Most seeds I have, even the ones stored next to the router for a few years, have somewhere around a 98% germination rate. Keeping the seeds dry while storing them and then making sure the growing medium is kept at the right temperature and moisture is what matters, wifi doesn't do jack squat.

Hell, my seeds do better now that I've added the 2nd and 3rd access points vs before I had them. Of course that is actually a result of my increase in knowledge during that time...


And as another (purely ancedotal) point...the starting room I've had for my garden (including brassicas and tomato plants)...has been right above where the wifi router is (partly because it's the room that gets the best sun and is easiest to put supplemental lighting if necessary).  I'd suspect what happened to the kids' plants are either a result of not watering enough (which will kill the shiat out of cress), or not getting enough light (which will kill the shiat out of cress).
 
2013-12-15 11:30:49 AM
Again, I'm not defending this study, only the notion that it's possible for wifi to affect plants' communications.

I do no believe, nor have I ever said that wifi stops plants from growing because that's demonstrably false, but it could have some affect.  Our radios could be having an affect for all we know.

Try not to be so close-minded.  How wifi could affect sperm is a different matter, and needs a study in which I illustrated.
 
2013-12-15 11:31:27 AM

Linux_Yes: since i've upgraded/flashed my firmware on my Linksys router to Tomato Linux...


/high five!
Tomato is awesome.
Coming soon to our town:  A mesh network
 
2013-12-15 11:32:56 AM

walktoanarcade: Oh of course I only meant to look at the ABC link. I did not say "results" plural.

Keep cherry-picking and don't read my posts with much comprehension. Good, fark.(some of you can still read, good on you)


You are critiquing other people's linked citations but providing none of your own. It's not my job to hunt down your evidence for you, moron. I don't believe any of what you said, so I have no motivation to research this topic beyond the scope of your posts. Either provide a scientifically link, explicitly cite a better source or maybe STFU? How about that?
 
2013-12-15 11:33:19 AM
(*not believe)   Sorry, will use preview more.
 
2013-12-15 11:33:39 AM

elysive: walktoanarcade: Oh of course I only meant to look at the ABC link. I did not say "results" plural.

Keep cherry-picking and don't read my posts with much comprehension. Good, fark.(some of you can still read, good on you)

You are critiquing other people's linked citations but providing none of your own. It's not my job to hunt down your evidence for you, moron. I don't believe any of what you said, so I have no motivation to research this topic beyond the scope of your posts. Either provide a scientifically VALID link, explicitly cite a better source or maybe STFU? How about that?


FTFM because it's important.
 
2013-12-15 11:34:54 AM

elysive: walktoanarcade: Zarquon's Flat Tire: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

You know what else affects testicles? Heat, like from a laptop.

Really, if you'd check, wifi affects sperm, and it's been confirmed.  It's old news.

Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011.

Where are your links supporting your argument here? Assuming you meant wifi and not "wife", I checked out the ABC article you mention above. In the main study they discuss, experimental sperm is placed under a wifi-enabled laptop while control sperm is just placed near an wifi-disabled laptop. Good study design there, Lou!

ABC even goes on to "cite" some unnamed study from some month of November (the mobile site wont let me copy and paste on my iPad) where experts conclude that the heat given off by laptops is damaging to sperm (imagine that!).

Maybe find some better support for your ridiculous claims?


And if it's heat...well...that's not the wifi killing the swimmers, that's heat, and we've actually known for a goodly amount of time that mammalian sperm in general does tend to be heat-sensitive.  (It's actually fairly well established in fertility medicine to recommend men wear boxers rather than briefs, for instance, and the whole reason that mammals tend to have scrotums (as opposed to archosaurs and lepidiosaurs and testudines which have Internal Naughty Bits) is as an evolutionary adaption to keep the testicles cooler and the sperm viable.  It's actually been an adaptation at least since the marsupial/eutherian/multituberculate clade forked from monotremes, in fact--right around the time that "not laying eggs and having at least some internal development" became a thing in mammals, scrotums apparently ALSO became a thing.)
 
2013-12-15 11:34:56 AM
But I just bought a new, stronger router! Maybe I shouldn't be using it as a pillow..
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