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(Natural News)   Those 'tomato plants' you have in the basement by your WiFi router are going to need tin-foil hats as well if you want them to succeed   (naturalnews.com) divider line 169
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2013-12-15 08:57:10 AM
I'm dubious. There are so many factors at play here. I can haz multiple independent confirmations?
 
2013-12-15 09:23:41 AM

whistleridge: I'm dubious. There are so many factors at play here. I can haz multiple independent confirmations?


Yeah, especially since the article ends this way:

Moreover, according to a teacher at their school, Kim Horsevad, a professor of neuroscience at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden was so impressed with the experiment that he is interested in repeating it in a controlled scientific environment.

That is, "Let's try this with people who actually know how to grow plants."
 
2013-12-15 09:28:04 AM
This crap again?

Can somebody find demonstrable, repeatable evidence that this device causes harm?
 
2013-12-15 09:28:57 AM

jake_lex: whistleridge: I'm dubious. There are so many factors at play here. I can haz multiple independent confirmations?

Yeah, especially since the article ends this way:

Moreover, according to a teacher at their school, Kim Horsevad, a professor of neuroscience at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden was so impressed with the experiment that he is interested in repeating it in a controlled scientific environment.

That is, "Let's try this with people who actually know how to grow plants."


Hooray for science?
 
2013-12-15 09:29:09 AM
My Wi-Fi router gave me pinkeye.
 
2013-12-15 09:29:31 AM

casual disregard: This crap again?

Can somebody find demonstrable, repeatable evidence that this device causes harm?


It was done by five ninth grade girls. That's like 45 first graders. That's not enough for you?
 
2013-12-15 09:29:59 AM
since i've upgraded/flashed my firmware on my Linksys router to Tomato Linux, i can drop the transmitt power down from its default 42mw to 5mw output.  rf concerns go down as the power output goes down.  i don't need 42mw when 5mw does fine.

and my router speed is faster too.


nice try, though. Linux, once again, has Trumped it.   you proprietary folks are way behind the curve.
 
2013-12-15 09:30:59 AM

SpdrJay: My Wi-Fi router gave me pinkeye.



better than chapass.
 
2013-12-15 09:35:04 AM

SpdrJay: My Wi-Fi router gave me pinkeye.


Did it also turn you into a newt?

/Burn!
 
2013-12-15 09:38:24 AM
Then again, I can confirm that a plant I put by my router died.  I think the fact that it was on a shelf nowhere near a window, and I didn't water it for days, was a coverup by the mainstream corporate media to hide the fact that the wi-fi radiation killed it.
 
2013-12-15 09:38:27 AM

casual disregard: This crap again?

Can somebody find demonstrable, repeatable evidence that this device causes harm?


ke=1/2 m v v

If we put it in a potato gun....
 
2013-12-15 09:38:56 AM
Grass and other various fauna seem to do just fine round them high-tension power lines. Bad dates.
 
2013-12-15 09:39:35 AM

whistleridge: I'm dubious. There are so many factors at play here. I can haz multiple independent confirmations?


Naturopathy is a religion.
 
2013-12-15 09:40:07 AM
WiFi made my balls grow three sizes that day
 
2013-12-15 09:40:32 AM
This experiment failed right from the start with the premise that a student who slept with a cell phone actually slept.
 
2013-12-15 09:43:56 AM
Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.
 
2013-12-15 09:43:57 AM
And was the sun exposure exactly the same? Was one group closer a heat vent than the other? Did the same person water both groups? Were either group in the same room as another houseplant which may have been infected with a fungus or bacteria?
 
2013-12-15 09:43:58 AM
So, narcs aim their wifi routers at grow houses and run up huge electric bills?
 
2013-12-15 09:44:15 AM
Natural bullshiat.
 
2013-12-15 09:44:48 AM
Most people would still happily install a radiation emitting device in their home if it gave them quick, unfettered access to stock quote and bukkake.  Remember the old days when you had to watch the news to get that stuff?
 
2013-12-15 09:45:11 AM

walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.


You know what else affects testicles? Heat, like from a laptop.
 
2013-12-15 09:46:04 AM

Fista-Phobia: Grass and other various fauna flora seem to do just fine round them high-tension power lines. Bad dates.


Flora = plants
Fauna = amimals
 
2013-12-15 09:46:32 AM
Wow. I think the modmins have been replaced with Pod People.

Which one of you thought it was a great idea to give Mike Adams some FARK time. That guy is a nutbag.
 
2013-12-15 09:50:23 AM

walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.


Yes, but that wasn't gluten-free wifi, and the music contained genetically modified fluoride.
 
2013-12-15 09:50:55 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

You know what else affects testicles? Heat, like from a laptop.


Really, if you'd check, wifi affects sperm, and it's been confirmed.  It's old news.

Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011.
 
2013-12-15 09:52:07 AM
 

hardinparamedic: Which one of you thought it was a great idea to give Mike Adams some FARK time. That guy is a nutbag.


I refuse to click on a link to Natural News. You're right, Adams is a nutbag.  And a  fear-mongering douchenag.
For those who don't know, that site is the cesspit of paranoid cyberchondriacs. It's where the crazies go to get their daily dose of anti-gluten memes anti-GMO hysteria, among other idiocies.
 
2013-12-15 09:52:58 AM

walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011


Yeah. Howabout no.
 
2013-12-15 09:53:58 AM
If at first you don't succeed...
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcHTIGu0wps
 
2013-12-15 09:54:55 AM
Great, now these kids are going to think they're magical scientists and that every idea that pops into their head is golden.


Reminds me of the microwaved water killing plants article from a month ago.
 
2013-12-15 09:55:07 AM
I run a cavern that does commercial cave tours. My guides like to say the cave was formed by wifi when asked. It's surprising how many people nod in agreement with that statement.
 
2013-12-15 09:55:38 AM

sandbar67: Fista-Phobia: Grass and other various fauna flora seem to do just fine round them high-tension power lines. Bad dates.

Flora = plants
Fauna = amimals


Like I said.
 
2013-12-15 09:56:20 AM

AlanSmithee: It's where the crazies go to get their daily dose of anti-gluten memes anti-GMO hysteria, among other idiocies.


For those of you who don't know, NaturalNews is run by a guy named Mike Adams. He calls himself - in actual everyday conversation - the "Health Ranger", and lives in a South American country so that he can make claims that, in the United States, would get him a stern talking to by the FDA. Among his greatest hits, he thinks vaccines are genocidal bioweapons, that anyone who uses chemotherapy or radiation for cancer is insane, and that homeopathy works.
 
2013-12-15 09:56:39 AM

hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011

Yeah. Howabout no.


I am a fast reader and what you just said was my exact reaction.  That's talking about something else you know;that's talking about people who say their wifi or whatever electrical is making them sick, not talking about sperm. In fact, it doesn't mention it.
 
2013-12-15 09:57:25 AM

walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.


Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?
 
2013-12-15 09:57:46 AM

Linux_Yes: SpdrJay: My Wi-Fi router gave me pinkeye.


better than chapass.


Is that like swamp ass.
 
2013-12-15 09:57:59 AM
I repeated this experiment, but instead of a Wifi router I put them in my pants.

I have some bad news for you if you like wearing pants.
 
2013-12-15 09:58:22 AM

hardinparamedic: AlanSmithee: It's where the crazies go to get their daily dose of anti-gluten memes anti-GMO hysteria, among other idiocies.

For those of you who don't know, NaturalNews is run by a guy named Mike Adams. He calls himself - in actual everyday conversation - the "Health Ranger", and lives in a South American country so that he can make claims that, in the United States, would get him a stern talking to by the FDA. Among his greatest hits, he thinks vaccines are genocidal bioweapons, that anyone who uses chemotherapy or radiation for cancer is insane, and that homeopathy works.


www.csmonitor.com
 
2013-12-15 09:58:49 AM

walktoanarcade: am a fast reader and what you just said was my exact reaction.  That's talking about something else you know;that's talking about people who say their wifi or whatever electrical is making them sick, not talking about sperm. In fact, it doesn't mention it.


Yeah, still. Howabout no.

Did you even read how the study was done? They put sperm in a petrie dish, exposed to air and elements, and then set a laptop ontop of them.
 
2013-12-15 09:59:36 AM

wichitaleaf: Linux_Yes: SpdrJay: My Wi-Fi router gave me pinkeye.


better than chapass.

Is that like swamp ass.


Sounds like the opposite.
 
2013-12-15 10:00:36 AM

commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?


It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled
 
2013-12-15 10:00:43 AM
"The experiment began when the five students realized that they had difficulty concentrating in school if they slept near their mobile phones the previous night."

Well, shouldn't the experiment have been moving the cell phone away to see how well the kids concentrated the day? Most likely the little bastards were on their phones way bed time.

My phone is nowhere near me when I sleep. Instead I have my tablet around.
 
2013-12-15 10:00:50 AM

commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?


fletchitsallballbearings.png
 
2013-12-15 10:01:58 AM

walktoanarcade: hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011

Yeah. Howabout no.

I am a fast reader and what you just said was my exact reaction.  That's talking about something else you know;that's talking about people who say their wifi or whatever electrical is making them sick, not talking about sperm. In fact, it doesn't mention it.


My apologies. Here's a better link debunking the study.
 
2013-12-15 10:03:54 AM

hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: am a fast reader and what you just said was my exact reaction.  That's talking about something else you know;that's talking about people who say their wifi or whatever electrical is making them sick, not talking about sperm. In fact, it doesn't mention it.

Yeah, still. Howabout no.

Did you even read how the study was done? They put sperm in a petrie dish, exposed to air and elements, and then set a laptop ontop of them.


So BIE?
 
2013-12-15 10:05:02 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

You know what else affects testicles? Heat, like from a laptop.


There is a pretty good joke here about wifi, laptops, and sperm. Unfortunately I just woke up and have not loaded up on coffee yet. Something something frequent usage reduces sperm count...
 
2013-12-15 10:05:28 AM

walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...


So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.
 
2013-12-15 10:06:28 AM
where's the Tinfoil Hat  tag?  Or at least Unlikely
 
2013-12-15 10:06:46 AM

namegoeshere: Something something frequent usage reduces sperm count...


Well, if you're going to do a study on sperm count, you DEFINITELY don't want to account for diet, stress, ethnicity, BMI, comorbidities, or previous health history.

Nope. Just jizz in this plate. That's all we need here.
 
2013-12-15 10:06:54 AM
Good thing we didn't have WiFi when we grew our mater plants in the basement 25 years ago. Those were some damn good maters.
 
2013-12-15 10:07:23 AM

walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.


Guess I'm safe, then. I don't regularly douse my laptop with my sperms.
 
2013-12-15 10:09:53 AM

walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.


Nope.
It's the heat from laptops baking their balls. Nothing to do with EM. Reread your studies.
 
2013-12-15 10:11:37 AM

hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011

Yeah. Howabout no.

I am a fast reader and what you just said was my exact reaction.  That's talking about something else you know;that's talking about people who say their wifi or whatever electrical is making them sick, not talking about sperm. In fact, it doesn't mention it.

My apologies. Here's a better link debunking the study.


I appreciate you recognizing the other link wasn't the one you meant, but this is almost worse.

Of the over 2000 men, over 900 already had low sperms counts, and then they answered a questionnaire and from that is your "science."

Taking someone's word on a questionnaire is scientifically helpful if the person is telling the absolute truth, so for sake of argument, they're telling the truth, still these men previously stated they had low sperm counts, hence it's not as helpful or scientifically valid as a larger group with men who do not know their sperms counts.  Then one could do a control group and on and on.
 
2013-12-15 10:13:45 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.


Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?
 
2013-12-15 10:15:07 AM

kitsuneymg: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Nope.
It's the heat from laptops baking their balls. Nothing to do with EM. Reread your studies.


You may not know this, but there are  better sources. Now you go read 'em. ;)
 
2013-12-15 10:15:24 AM

walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?


Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.
 
2013-12-15 10:17:30 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.


Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?
 
2013-12-15 10:23:36 AM

walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.

Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?


None of that matters, any more than your two-week old account matters. I ridicule you for what you say, and not for your CV.
 
2013-12-15 10:27:30 AM

walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.

Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?


Well, let's put it this way...frankly I don't care if you're a rocket scientist for NASA, you're still white-knighting a site that is roughly as trustworthy re "OMFG VACCINES ARE BACKDOOR GENOCIDE!" as, oh, Stormfront is re Teh J00ish Conspiracy (There Is No Jewish Conspiracy) or the AFA is about Teh Gay Agenda Of World Domination Via Fabulosity (There Is No Gay Agenda Of World Domination Via Fabulosity) or your average NARasitised neopentecostal church was in the 80s re "SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE" (there has been no reliable evidence ever found for the existence of large diabolist cabals, but there interestingly HAS been found evidence of systematic religiously-motivated child abuse in NARasitic groups, occasionally of a maiming and/or fatal nature).

Which is to say, "I want to know just WHERE they're keeping roughly a million head of Angus cattle and how much they pay for Exlax-infused cattle feed per month, because that's the only logical explanation I can find for the sheer tonnage of bullshiat being spewed."
 
2013-12-15 10:28:46 AM
I have always depended on the findings of school kids in singular experiments to make my scientific determinations for me.  I banned vinegar and baking soda from my house entirely and haven't suffered a single volcano since doing so.
 
2013-12-15 10:30:14 AM

jake_lex: whistleridge: I'm dubious. There are so many factors at play here. I can haz multiple independent confirmations?

Yeah, especially since the article ends this way:

Moreover, according to a teacher at their school, Kim Horsevad, a professor of neuroscience at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden was so impressed with the experiment that he is interested in repeating it in a controlled scientific environment.

That is, "Let's try this with people who actually know how to grow plants."


This is a beautiful example of Class A1 trolling by a professor of neuroscience. It's more, "Let's try this with people who actually know how to conduct proper experiments"
 
2013-12-15 10:31:47 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.

Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?

None of that matters, any more than your two-week old account matters. I ridicule you for what you say, and not for your CV.


Haaaahahahaa Oh thank you, I hadn't laughed too much today until then. My "two week old account", as if that means anything..lol  That's the lamest appeal to authority I have ever seen. Congratulations.

"Plugs ears and shuts eyes, your account is new; mine is I am more correct!111" -(you)

You win at life; your fark account is older, thus you're correct.  *musses your hair*
 
2013-12-15 10:34:35 AM
That's a lot of words just to tell me that you don't understand that stopped clocks(that website) are right twice a day, Great Porn Dragon.

Or, if you have ever been incorrect over anything, GPD, you've never been correct.
 
2013-12-15 10:38:00 AM

walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled


You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?
 
2013-12-15 10:38:26 AM

skinink: "The experiment began when the five students realized that they had difficulty concentrating in school if they slept near their mobile phones the previous night."


I can prove this one, it's caused by the non stop beeps and bells from the #)$(@# phone. Also that cheap charger, it makes a high pitched whine when the phone is charged. (most likely a capacitor is going)
 
2013-12-15 10:38:59 AM

commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?


Yes.
 
2013-12-15 10:40:14 AM

walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?

Yes.


Good.
 
2013-12-15 10:41:01 AM
If I were a kid today, and doing a science fair project, here's what I'd do: I'd tell my family, friends, and everyone I know that I'm growing six pea plants for a very important experiment, and that I want everybody to pray for all six plants to grow as tall, strong, and healthy as they can.

What I wouldn't tell them: I have twelve pea plants.
 
2013-12-15 10:41:12 AM

commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?

Yes.

Good.


Indeed. *adjusts monocle*
 
2013-12-15 10:42:44 AM

walktoanarcade: Haaaahahahaa Oh thank you, I hadn't laughed too much today until then. My "two week old account", as if that means anything..lol  That's the lamest appeal to authority I have ever seen. Congratulations.

"Plugs ears and shuts eyes, your account is new; mine is I am more correct!111" -(you)

You win at life; your fark account is older, thus you're correct.  *musses your hair*


...completely missing the fact that you were the one who appealed to authority in the first place. "How old are you? You don't know what I do for a living..."

To which I pointed out your CV means no more than the age of your Fark account.

To say that plants "use air" to communicate is oversimplification worthy of a CNN pop science article. Plants use chemical signals, and those chemicals pass through the air. EM transmissions work nothing like chemical transmissions, so no, the fact that plants can emit and detect chemicals in the air doesn't affect the plausibility of this pseudoscientific claim.

I continue to ridicule you.
 
2013-12-15 10:43:11 AM
By the way, I never said EM was interfering with sound waves. Someone else claimed that's what I meant.
 
2013-12-15 10:45:17 AM
Is this a new twist on the "microwaved water kills plants" urban legend but with a new twist since the original version was debunked ages ago?
 
2013-12-15 10:47:25 AM
Saw the included picture in the article and it gave me 'Nam-esque flashbacks...

That isn't a wireless access point. It's a COM-21 DOXPORT 1110 cable modem, and the worst such modem ever made. So many hours on the phone over almost 2 years listening to customer complaints, and tens of thousands of dollars wasted on truck rolls for non existent problems to swap these things out. First, the Ethernet port was only half-duplex so gamers and video streams by webcam women would never work. Second the damn things always reported back incorrect RF levels, so lazy field techs that used the modem to tune the signal instead of a meter would get it wrong and make things worse.

If you worked at COM-21 and had a hand in the design of this thing, please do the honorable thing and take your own life for the hell wot you wrought upon this earth. And fark you too author of this article for not just the bad memories you unleashed from the dark corners of my mind, but the fact that you can't even use the correct stock photo to accompany you asinine story, you buzz-feed hack!
 
2013-12-15 10:48:07 AM

wichitaleaf: Linux_Yes: SpdrJay: My Wi-Fi router gave me pinkeye.


better than chapass.

Is that like swamp ass.



sort of. except you get more pinkeye (and ringsting) with chapass.  swampass is just an uncomfortable moist, swamplike, precursor to chapass.
 
2013-12-15 10:50:42 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: To say that plants "use air" to communicate is oversimplification worthy of a CNN pop science article. Plants use chemical signals, and those chemicals pass through the air.


Yes, they use the air. Should I have said utilize?

Here's a tip: People do not have to talk about everything in depth that second to engage in ancillary ideas.
 
2013-12-15 10:52:10 AM

hardinparamedic: Just jizz in this plate. That's all we need here.


If this was said in real life, I would have to follow it with a "that is what your mom said".
 
2013-12-15 10:53:40 AM

Great Porn Dragon: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...


So we can assume radio transmissions in space don't affect sperm count. At least if they're free-range, unpasteurized organic radio transmissions.

Are you associating me with an entire website because something I said touches upon what they said?

Of course not. I'm associating you with pseudoscience in general.

Ah, I see, and you know what I do for a living and so forth. How old are you?

Well, let's put it this way...frankly I don't care if you're a rocket scientist for NASA, you're still white-knighting a site that is roughly as trustworthy re "OMFG VACCINES ARE BACKDOOR GENOCIDE!" as, oh, Stormfront is re Teh J00ish Conspiracy (There Is No Jewish Conspiracy) or the AFA is about Teh Gay Agenda Of World Domination Via Fabulosity (There Is No Gay Agenda Of World Domination Via Fabulosity) or your average NARasitised neopentecostal church was in the 80s re "SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE" (there has been no reliable evidence ever found for the existence of large diabolist cabals, but there interestingly HAS been found evidence of systematic religiously-motivated child abuse in NARasitic groups, occasionally of a maiming and/or fatal nature).

Which is to say, "I want to know just WHERE they're keeping roughly a million head of Angus cattle and how much they pay for Exlax-infused cattle feed per month, because that's the only logical explanation I can find for the sheer tonnage of bullshiat being spewed."



i11.tinypic.com

 
2013-12-15 10:56:12 AM
OK I have an idea, lets assume that Wi-Fi is bad for your sperm. Think about what the means, it means that extremely low energy electromagnetic radiation reduces your sperm count.  We are bathed in much higher energy EM radiation constantly.  Nude beach? Sterile. X-Ray? Sterile.  'Nearby' supernova? Sterile.  How can this be held up to be true while we continue to exist as a species despite experiencing what are in comparison massive doses of EM radiation?
 
2013-12-15 11:00:36 AM
Background radiation of course is of no concern.
 
2013-12-15 11:01:53 AM

walktoanarcade: Of the over 2000 men, over 900 already had low sperms counts, and then they answered a questionnaire and from that is your "science."

Taking someone's word on a questionnaire is scientifically helpful if the person is telling the absolute truth, so for sake of argument, they're telling the truth, still these men previously stated they had low sperm counts, hence it's not as helpful or scientifically valid as a larger group with men who do not know their sperms counts. Then one could do a control group and on and on.


Uhmmm... Wait... What? Having extra information about the baseline sperm count isn't useful when investigating the influence of something on sperm count and/or sperm health? Seriously?
 
2013-12-15 11:02:34 AM
I did this exact same experiment for my science fair project in the early 90's, although I was "studying" the effects of electromagnetic fields by placing the plants near a television. If these girls used the same amount of scientific rigor that I did, you may want to hold off for confirmation before you trash your wireless router. I took a bunch of pictures, made a few readings that supported my hypothesis, and rode that all way to the International Science and Engineering Fair. And it was all complete bullshiat because I didn't have the attention span to water the plants every day and ended up killing them off without letting them grow long enough to prove anything at all. I had to have results because my grade depended on them, so I made shiat up and presented my "results" really well on a fancy project board. Science!!
 
2013-12-15 11:04:21 AM
My sister injected 4 Wi-Fis and overdosed.

So dangerous... :(
 
2013-12-15 11:06:11 AM

walktoanarcade: Here's a tip: People do not have to talk about everything in depth that second to engage in ancillary ideas.


Here's another tip: Unless you have a basis to show that wi-fi affects the message chemicals, or that the plants in the science-fair-esque "study" have any damage attributable to the pest-response messages that we've seen sent by plant chemistry, it's pretty silly to jump on the plausibility crusade by saying, "Plants use air, and wi-fi uses air, therefore...."

Plants can use air to pollenize, too. They use it for respiration. The sun passes through the air to to fuel photosynthesis. Their pests and symbiotic pollenizers use the air for transportation. Some plants count on the air to spread their seeds.

Do you have any information at all that says wi-fi affects any aspect of the atmosphere that would in turn affect any of these processes? If the answer is no (and it is), then what you say is a silly thing. A household fan has a greater effect on all of these processes.
 
2013-12-15 11:07:04 AM

walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results.


Yes. Yes she does.
 
2013-12-15 11:09:57 AM

DerAppie: walktoanarcade: Of the over 2000 men, over 900 already had low sperms counts, and then they answered a questionnaire and from that is your "science."

Taking someone's word on a questionnaire is scientifically helpful if the person is telling the absolute truth, so for sake of argument, they're telling the truth, still these men previously stated they had low sperm counts, hence it's not as helpful or scientifically valid as a larger group with men who do not know their sperms counts. Then one could do a control group and on and on.

Uhmmm... Wait... What? Having extra information about the baseline sperm count isn't useful when investigating the influence of something on sperm count and/or sperm health? Seriously?


If the study is to discover if and how wifi affects sperm, using utilizing men who previously have reported sperm count problems(which could have been caused by numerous things) prejudices the study.  One needs to take a large, random group of men, make them use wifi, then look at the findings vs a large random group of men who, under control conditions of course, do not use wifi.
 
2013-12-15 11:10:46 AM

Closed_Minded_Bastage: walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results.

Yes. Yes she does.


Ah shiat. lol
 
2013-12-15 11:11:17 AM

walktoanarcade: Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011


You bet she did
 
2013-12-15 11:15:47 AM

nickdaisy: Most people would still happily install a radiation emitting device in their home if it gave them quick, unfettered access to stock quote and bukkake.  Remember the old days when you had to watch the news to get that stuff?


Is CNN showing bukkake these days? I guess that's one way to improve ratings!
 
2013-12-15 11:18:02 AM

walktoanarcade: That's a lot of words just to tell me that you don't understand that stopped clocks(that website) are right twice a day, Great Porn Dragon.

Or, if you have ever been incorrect over anything, GPD, you've never been correct.


Actually, that was more of a "If there's anything TO this, there is almost always a far more reliable source it can be posted from; WHERE one posts info from can colour it if it's known to be an unreliable source, doubly so if it's an unreliable source known primarily for dispensing amounts of bullshiat only normally seen in an industrial feedlot".

Yes, it matters where you get the info from.  Natural News is about as far from a reliable source as you can get; it's a site that makes the Daily Mail look like the goddamn Lancet in comparison.  The owner of the site literally has not found a conspiracy theory he didn't like yet, and thinking individuals tend to treat material from that site about the same way that one would treat info from similarly dubious information sources (which also trend to conspiratorialism and occasional outright hate speech).

Also, as an aside--there are a number of pieces of evidence against this, some ancedotal, some otherwise (and frankly until the experiment these kids did is repeated under controlled conditions, repeatedly...it's ancedotal).  Amateur radio operators should theoretically be dropping dead of cancer left and right (especially those amateur radio operators experimenting with 23cm and down frequency bands; 23cm is 900MHz, right above the old Nextel IDEN band that Sprint is repurposing for LTE, and there are amateur radio allocations both in the 1200MHz and in the middle of the 802.11a/b/g band at 2.4GHz and considerably above this (if you're curious, here's the ARRL's allocation chart in pdf format).  In addition, amateur radio operators tend to operate at much higher power than is produced by 802.11a/b/g/n routers and cell phones normally.

(In fact--and this is probably going to shock you--channels 1-8 on your average 802.11a/b/g router are actually in an amateur radio allocation as are channels 132-165 on 802.11n routers, and wifi routers technically have secondary allocation (priority would legally go to an amateur radio operator) as these are considered low-power devices.  There's a bit of a closet hobby among some amateur radio operators to modify Linksys routers in particular (DDWRT-friendly routers in particular) to increase broadcast frequencies and power to the lower end of the 2390-2450MHz amateur radio allocation...specifically to use these as higher-power amateur radio transceivers for packet radio.  We've not been seeing an epidemic of cancer and sudden death in amateur radio operators playing around in the gigahertz bands (and this has been a thing for...shall we say...a while, like "past fifty years at least" while, usually with homebrewed equipment or military surplus) of the sort we'd expect if there were serious problems with sub-watt levels of radio frequency radiation in the microwave bands.

(For that matter, there's not been huge epidemics of cancer and sudden death in schools and in public safety agencies--and they've been using microwave bands for transmission (again, at considerably higher power than the average wifi router...try "more like 5 to 50 watts at least of ERP") since the late 70s in many cases.  My own school system used microwave transceivers for its "tele-class" computer network and also for "tele-course" broadcasts from our local public television network, and seeing as it was in every school there should be in theory half of Jefferson County Public Schools dropping dead from all sorts of weird farking cancers; hasn't happened yet.)

And for the record, yes, I am occasionally falliable.  I also know the importance of reliable sourcing, though. :D
 
2013-12-15 11:19:00 AM

walktoanarcade: Zarquon's Flat Tire: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

You know what else affects testicles? Heat, like from a laptop.

Really, if you'd check, wifi affects sperm, and it's been confirmed.  It's old news.

Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011.


Where are your links supporting your argument here? Assuming you meant wifi and not "wife", I checked out the ABC article you mention above. In the main study they discuss, experimental sperm is placed under a wifi-enabled laptop while control sperm is just placed near an wifi-disabled laptop. Good study design there, Lou!

ABC even goes on to "cite" some unnamed study from some month of November (the mobile site wont let me copy and paste on my iPad) where experts conclude that the heat given off by laptops is damaging to sperm (imagine that!).

Maybe find some better support for your ridiculous claims?
 
2013-12-15 11:22:29 AM
That's weird, considering I'm a gardener and I start everything from seed. I also have three wifi access points flooding my house: one in the attic, one on the first floor and one in the basement by where I store and germinate my seeds.

Strangely enough my seeds and plants all grow just fine. Most seeds I have, even the ones stored next to the router for a few years, have somewhere around a 98% germination rate. Keeping the seeds dry while storing them and then making sure the growing medium is kept at the right temperature and moisture is what matters, wifi doesn't do jack squat.

Hell, my seeds do better now that I've added the 2nd and 3rd access points vs before I had them. Of course that is actually a result of my increase in knowledge during that time...
 
2013-12-15 11:24:40 AM
Oh of course I only meant to look at the ABC link. I did not say "results" plural.

Keep cherry-picking and don't read my posts with much comprehension. Good, fark.(some of you can still read, good on you)
 
2013-12-15 11:24:56 AM

Claude Ballse: Saw the included picture in the article and it gave me 'Nam-esque flashbacks...

That isn't a wireless access point. It's a COM-21 DOXPORT 1110 cable modem, and the worst such modem ever made. So many hours on the phone over almost 2 years listening to customer complaints, and tens of thousands of dollars wasted on truck rolls for non existent problems to swap these things out. First, the Ethernet port was only half-duplex so gamers and video streams by webcam women would never work. Second the damn things always reported back incorrect RF levels, so lazy field techs that used the modem to tune the signal instead of a meter would get it wrong and make things worse.

If you worked at COM-21 and had a hand in the design of this thing, please do the honorable thing and take your own life for the hell wot you wrought upon this earth. And fark you too author of this article for not just the bad memories you unleashed from the dark corners of my mind, but the fact that you can't even use the correct stock photo to accompany you asinine story, you buzz-feed hack!


Oh mother of God, I know your pain.  I know your pain, having long ago (when non-avian dinosaurs roamed the earth) worked at a cable modem support center where there were once a fair number of Com21 Doxports...

And yes, anyone involved in their design should be forcibly defenestrated.  Preferably from the top level of the Petronas Towers, if not the Burj Khalifa,  (Hell, I'd argue that anyone involved at any level of the design of Com21 kit should be defenestrated from a good height on general principle.)
 
2013-12-15 11:27:42 AM

mongbiohazard: That's weird, considering I'm a gardener and I start everything from seed. I also have three wifi access points flooding my house: one in the attic, one on the first floor and one in the basement by where I store and germinate my seeds.

Strangely enough my seeds and plants all grow just fine. Most seeds I have, even the ones stored next to the router for a few years, have somewhere around a 98% germination rate. Keeping the seeds dry while storing them and then making sure the growing medium is kept at the right temperature and moisture is what matters, wifi doesn't do jack squat.

Hell, my seeds do better now that I've added the 2nd and 3rd access points vs before I had them. Of course that is actually a result of my increase in knowledge during that time...


And as another (purely ancedotal) point...the starting room I've had for my garden (including brassicas and tomato plants)...has been right above where the wifi router is (partly because it's the room that gets the best sun and is easiest to put supplemental lighting if necessary).  I'd suspect what happened to the kids' plants are either a result of not watering enough (which will kill the shiat out of cress), or not getting enough light (which will kill the shiat out of cress).
 
2013-12-15 11:30:49 AM
Again, I'm not defending this study, only the notion that it's possible for wifi to affect plants' communications.

I do no believe, nor have I ever said that wifi stops plants from growing because that's demonstrably false, but it could have some affect.  Our radios could be having an affect for all we know.

Try not to be so close-minded.  How wifi could affect sperm is a different matter, and needs a study in which I illustrated.
 
2013-12-15 11:31:27 AM

Linux_Yes: since i've upgraded/flashed my firmware on my Linksys router to Tomato Linux...


/high five!
Tomato is awesome.
Coming soon to our town:  A mesh network
 
2013-12-15 11:32:56 AM

walktoanarcade: Oh of course I only meant to look at the ABC link. I did not say "results" plural.

Keep cherry-picking and don't read my posts with much comprehension. Good, fark.(some of you can still read, good on you)


You are critiquing other people's linked citations but providing none of your own. It's not my job to hunt down your evidence for you, moron. I don't believe any of what you said, so I have no motivation to research this topic beyond the scope of your posts. Either provide a scientifically link, explicitly cite a better source or maybe STFU? How about that?
 
2013-12-15 11:33:19 AM
(*not believe)   Sorry, will use preview more.
 
2013-12-15 11:33:39 AM

elysive: walktoanarcade: Oh of course I only meant to look at the ABC link. I did not say "results" plural.

Keep cherry-picking and don't read my posts with much comprehension. Good, fark.(some of you can still read, good on you)

You are critiquing other people's linked citations but providing none of your own. It's not my job to hunt down your evidence for you, moron. I don't believe any of what you said, so I have no motivation to research this topic beyond the scope of your posts. Either provide a scientifically VALID link, explicitly cite a better source or maybe STFU? How about that?


FTFM because it's important.
 
2013-12-15 11:34:54 AM

elysive: walktoanarcade: Zarquon's Flat Tire: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

You know what else affects testicles? Heat, like from a laptop.

Really, if you'd check, wifi affects sperm, and it's been confirmed.  It's old news.

Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011.

Where are your links supporting your argument here? Assuming you meant wifi and not "wife", I checked out the ABC article you mention above. In the main study they discuss, experimental sperm is placed under a wifi-enabled laptop while control sperm is just placed near an wifi-disabled laptop. Good study design there, Lou!

ABC even goes on to "cite" some unnamed study from some month of November (the mobile site wont let me copy and paste on my iPad) where experts conclude that the heat given off by laptops is damaging to sperm (imagine that!).

Maybe find some better support for your ridiculous claims?


And if it's heat...well...that's not the wifi killing the swimmers, that's heat, and we've actually known for a goodly amount of time that mammalian sperm in general does tend to be heat-sensitive.  (It's actually fairly well established in fertility medicine to recommend men wear boxers rather than briefs, for instance, and the whole reason that mammals tend to have scrotums (as opposed to archosaurs and lepidiosaurs and testudines which have Internal Naughty Bits) is as an evolutionary adaption to keep the testicles cooler and the sperm viable.  It's actually been an adaptation at least since the marsupial/eutherian/multituberculate clade forked from monotremes, in fact--right around the time that "not laying eggs and having at least some internal development" became a thing in mammals, scrotums apparently ALSO became a thing.)
 
2013-12-15 11:34:56 AM
But I just bought a new, stronger router! Maybe I shouldn't be using it as a pillow..
i7.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-15 11:35:36 AM

elysive: walktoanarcade: Oh of course I only meant to look at the ABC link. I did not say "results" plural.

Keep cherry-picking and don't read my posts with much comprehension. Good, fark.(some of you can still read, good on you)

You are critiquing other people's linked citations but providing none of your own. It's not my job to hunt down your evidence for you, moron. I don't believe any of what you said, so I have no motivation to research this topic beyond the scope of your posts. Either provide a scientifically link, explicitly cite a better source or maybe STFU? How about that?


Go back and read what I typed, that's what it's for. I've patiently and intelligently explained in full, what I said, but I realize you're the kind of farker that wants to argue for its own sake.

I'll save you some time: I'm not your all day sucker. Pull stupid crap with someone else. Please.
 
2013-12-15 11:38:18 AM

walktoanarcade: If the study is to discover if and how wifi affects sperm, using utilizing men who previously have reported sperm count problems(which could have been caused by numerous things) prejudices the study. One needs to take a large, random group of men, make them use wifi, then look at the findings vs a large random group of men who, under control conditions of course, do not use wifi.


Knowing that the men have a low sperm count does not prejudice the study. Non-random assignment to a specific group based on prior knowledge does. Knowing that almost half the men have a lower sperm count is very relevant considering that random assignment does not guarantee an equal distribution. The men with a lower sperm count could/should be evenly (but randomly) split between the control and the WiFi group, reducing the chance that the control group has 60% of the men with a low sperm count. Can you imagine the headlines? "WiFi radiation increases sperm count!" plastered in font size 50 across all major newspapers. For a good study you get either a homogeneous group as possible or you get as much information for which you can control after the research data has been collected. Knowing that 45% of the men have a lower sperm count is something that either needs to be corrected for, or needs to be taken along in subject distribution.

Personally I would have simply dropped the data of the men with low sperm count, or done a separate analysis with only the low sperm count group. But then they would have needed to find 900 new test subjects. Which would probably have been difficult.
 
2013-12-15 11:38:22 AM

Great Porn Dragon: Claude Ballse: Saw the included picture in the article and it gave me 'Nam-esque flashbacks...

That isn't a wireless access point. It's a COM-21 DOXPORT 1110 cable modem, and the worst such modem ever made. So many hours on the phone over almost 2 years listening to customer complaints, and tens of thousands of dollars wasted on truck rolls for non existent problems to swap these things out. First, the Ethernet port was only half-duplex so gamers and video streams by webcam women would never work. Second the damn things always reported back incorrect RF levels, so lazy field techs that used the modem to tune the signal instead of a meter would get it wrong and make things worse.

If you worked at COM-21 and had a hand in the design of this thing, please do the honorable thing and take your own life for the hell wot you wrought upon this earth. And fark you too author of this article for not just the bad memories you unleashed from the dark corners of my mind, but the fact that you can't even use the correct stock photo to accompany you asinine story, you buzz-feed hack!

Oh mother of God, I know your pain.  I know your pain, having long ago (when non-avian dinosaurs roamed the earth) worked at a cable modem support center where there were once a fair number of Com21 Doxports...

And yes, anyone involved in their design should be forcibly defenestrated.  Preferably from the top level of the Petronas Towers, if not the Burj Khalifa,  (Hell, I'd argue that anyone involved at any level of the design of Com21 kit should be defenestrated from a good height on general principle.)


Doxports?  You should be so farking lucky.  I had to deal with the 1way Com21 ComPorts.  Those were farking nightmare machines.  Non DOCSIS compliant.  The 'good' ones had a built-in dial-up modem to handle upstream to the headend, the 'bad' ones (they were ALL bad) had to use your PC's built-in modem.  <DEITY OF CHOICE> help you if granny just had a winmodem (a soundcard that emulated modem tones - they were dirt cheap and performed like it) installed rather than an proper modem.

/curls up in a little ball
//cries
///drinks the pain away
 
2013-12-15 11:40:17 AM

walktoanarcade: Again, I'm not defending this study, only the notion that it's possible for wifi to affect plants' communications.


The communication we've identified has to do with the response to pests. Aphids or caterpillars  start eating a plant, the plant emits chemicals which alert the plants around them to use their precious anti-pest resources.

There is nothing in the article about pests. If there were, the pests themselves would be the likely cause of damage and would have to be a controlled variable. There is no evidence that water cress plants have a telepathic network that is required for them simply to grow, and your continued reference to plant communications making this study in any way plausible continues to be silly.
 
2013-12-15 11:42:50 AM

walktoanarcade: Again, I'm not defending this study, only the notion that it's possible for wifi to affect plants' communications.

I do no believe, nor have I ever said that wifi stops plants from growing because that's demonstrably false, but it could have some affect.  Our radios could be having an affect for all we know.

Try not to be so close-minded.  How wifi could affect sperm is a different matter, and needs a study in which I illustrated.


And what we've gently noted (and often not-so-gently noted) is the following:

a) An elementary school science fair experiment does not quite meet the standards of scientific rigor--this needs to be repeated in controlled conditions, in conditions that can be controlled far better than those conditions typically available to fourth-grade students.

b) Reliable sourcing is important.  People are more likely to respect "scientists in a controlled trial have noted concern re plants near wifi routers" printed in a reputable information source (a scientific paper or even a science-friendly magazine that hasn't dumbed down everything to Pakled-ese yet) than the Daily Fail, and they will even trust the Daily Fail over a guy who basically follows every conspiracy theory known to man short of Time Cube Theory.

c) There is a fair amount of evidence (both scientific and ancedotal) that indicates that wifi at the low power ranges used is not definitively harmful to humans as long as you're not being stupid and trying to fellate the antennas.  (Amateur radio operators have used the same bands for decades at much higher power and aren't dropping dead.  Microwave transmitters operated for decades in the same bands before wifi was allocated by the ITU and haven't dropped dead.  Hell, we still have a lot of Nokia engineers around, and they're in both of the sets of "having developed cellular and wifi technology" AND "being amateur radio operators who love to play with equipment in the gigahertz bands, to the point we put in "SMS" in Morse code as an easter egg on our phones".)
 
2013-12-15 11:45:05 AM

megarian: My sister injected 4 Wi-Fis and overdosed.

So dangerous... :(


That's why you bake your Wi-Fis into brownies. Much safer.

/personally, I vaporize all my my Wi-Fis, but I know not everybody can afford a $500 vaporizer
 
2013-12-15 11:46:02 AM

FueledByEthanol: Doxports? You should be so farking lucky. I had to deal with the 1way Com21 ComPorts. Those were farking nightmare machines. Non DOCSIS compliant. The 'good' ones had a built-in dial-up modem to handle upstream to the headend, the 'bad' ones (they were ALL bad) had to use your PC's built-in modem. <DEITY OF CHOICE> help you if granny just had a winmodem (a soundcard that emulated modem tones - they were dirt cheap and performed like it) installed rather than an proper modem.

/curls up in a little ball
//cries
///drinks the pain away


...Ohgod you had to remind me of ComPort Hell.

WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME OF COMPORT HELL

Excuse me...breaking out the Knob Creek Single Barrel nao, might have to hit the Everclear if this keeps up.

/two words: Terayon Terapro
 
2013-12-15 11:46:06 AM

walktoanarcade: elysive: walktoanarcade: Oh of course I only meant to look at the ABC link. I did not say "results" plural.

Keep cherry-picking and don't read my posts with much comprehension. Good, fark.(some of you can still read, good on you)

You are critiquing other people's linked citations but providing none of your own. It's not my job to hunt down your evidence for you, moron. I don't believe any of what you said, so I have no motivation to research this topic beyond the scope of your posts. Either provide a scientifically link, explicitly cite a better source or maybe STFU? How about that?

Go back and read what I typed, that's what it's for. I've patiently and intelligently explained in full, what I said, but I realize you're the kind of farker that wants to argue for its own sake.

I'll save you some time: I'm not your all day sucker. Pull stupid crap with someone else. Please.


You want me to reread your other posts (for what purpose?) or do you think that other articles will contradict ABC news and reveal that the sperm study had a different experimental design? You have critiqued the experimental design of hardinparamedic's scientific articles, so now I am critiquing the experimental design of the study you sourced via ABC news. Perhaps there are more studies out there. I frankly don't care.

Around here we say [citation needed] and the onus is ALWAYS on the person making the claims. I'm not wading through a general Google search for you. Anyway, Google Scholar would the appropriate search engine for this topic if you knew the first thing about supporting your arguments.
 
2013-12-15 11:46:56 AM

Reverend Monkeypants: Linux_Yes: since i've upgraded/flashed my firmware on my Linksys router to Tomato Linux...

/high five!
Tomato is awesome.
Coming soon to our town:  A mesh network



did i mention that Security is its middle name?  real security.  not microsoft's version.   (:
 
2013-12-15 11:48:48 AM
Unless you use a random sampling of men-who have no idea as to their sperm count-you can't know for sure if other factors made them that way. Could be diet, could be many things.

However, if you want to find out once and for all if wifi is a factor, you'd need to conduct an experiment that subjects men to wifi that had never had been near it before with a control group who has been near wifi, although report no sperm count problems and unaware of the nature of the experiment.
 
2013-12-15 11:50:38 AM

Great Porn Dragon: mongbiohazard: That's weird, considering I'm a gardener and I start everything from seed. I also have three wifi access points flooding my house: one in the attic, one on the first floor and one in the basement by where I store and germinate my seeds.

Strangely enough my seeds and plants all grow just fine. Most seeds I have, even the ones stored next to the router for a few years, have somewhere around a 98% germination rate. Keeping the seeds dry while storing them and then making sure the growing medium is kept at the right temperature and moisture is what matters, wifi doesn't do jack squat.

Hell, my seeds do better now that I've added the 2nd and 3rd access points vs before I had them. Of course that is actually a result of my increase in knowledge during that time...

And as another (purely ancedotal) point...the starting room I've had for my garden (including brassicas and tomato plants)...has been right above where the wifi router is (partly because it's the room that gets the best sun and is easiest to put supplemental lighting if necessary).  I'd suspect what happened to the kids' plants are either a result of not watering enough (which will kill the shiat out of cress), or not getting enough light (which will kill the shiat out of cress).


Sure could be moisture... It could be tricky for a kid to get and keep the growing medium moist enough without being too wet and getting moldy.

Could very well be temperature too though. The temperature that you germinate and grow plants at can will be the difference between none of the seeds germinating, all of them germinating and somewhere in between. I grow a bunch of different varieties of leafy greens and I have seeds to this one spinach which needs a different temp than everything else. I'm lucky to get around a 5% germination rate on those at the same temp as everything else germinates at like a 98% rate. Raise the temp and those seeds will do just fine and everything else will stop growing instead. It can be tricky to control temp for experienced gardeners, nevermind some self-guided kids.


Lenny_da_Hog: walktoanarcade: Again, I'm not defending this study, only the notion that it's possible for wifi to affect plants' communications.

The communication we've identified has to do with the response to pests. Aphids or caterpillars  start eating a plant, the plant emits chemicals which alert the plants around them to use their precious anti-pest resources.

There is nothing in the article about pests. If there were, the pests themselves would be the likely cause of damage and would have to be a controlled variable. There is no evidence that water cress plants have a telepathic network that is required for them simply to grow, and your continued reference to plant communications making this study in any way plausible continues to be silly.



He already said he was trolling earlier in the thread.

/hahajokesonthemIwasonlyPRETENDINGtoberetarded.jpg
 
2013-12-15 11:52:21 AM
Damn you subby, I almost clicked NaturalNews.

They're certifiably insane over there.
 
2013-12-15 11:53:46 AM

walktoanarcade: Try not to be so close-minded.


It isn't close minded to call out the unsubstantiated "studies" form a site that routinely spews stuff that is complete BS.

It is however stupid to keep coming up for excuses as to how it could be right with absolutely no proof.
 
2013-12-15 11:54:15 AM
I was being trolled, not trolling.  Or a couple people were being obtuse.

I know, welcome to fark.
 
2013-12-15 11:55:26 AM

walktoanarcade: Unless you use a random sampling of men-who have no idea as to their sperm count-you can't know for sure if other factors made them that way. Could be diet, could be many things.

However, if you want to find out once and for all if wifi is a factor, you'd need to conduct an experiment that subjects men to wifi that had never had been near it before with a control group who has been near wifi, although report no sperm count problems and unaware of the nature of the experiment.


*facepalm* re: your first sentence

Anyway there is no way to find people unexposed to wifi unless you go to impoverished third world nations, and even then you can argue that they are exposed to radio waves and cellular waves very close to the wifi spectrum. If you truly believe it's the "waves" damaging your sperms, bluetooth, cellular, am/fm radio, radiation from space, they're all attacking your sperm.

You must accept that your junk is constantly being bombarded by those nasty radio waves and increasingly you have no control over the wifi waves specifically, so you might as well give up on the hopes of having children. Happy now?!
 
2013-12-15 11:59:25 AM

liam76: walktoanarcade: Try not to be so close-minded.

It isn't close minded to call out the unsubstantiated "studies" form a site that routinely spews stuff that is complete BS.

It is however stupid to keep coming up for excuses as to how it could be right with absolutely no proof.



walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled



i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-15 11:59:53 AM

liam76: walktoanarcade: Try not to be so close-minded.

It isn't close minded to call out the unsubstantiated "studies" form a site that routinely spews stuff that is complete BS.

It is however stupid to keep coming up for excuses as to how it could be right with absolutely no proof.


What I stated was twisted by one farker and then more farkers ran with it.

I never defended that website's headline, only part of the logic which could be possible.  Later outright scientific truth I spoke about(plants using the air to communicate)  was called out as wrong. haha They defended that by proving my argument.  By simplifyiny, i.e., leaving out the chemical expression, I had proved my wrongheadedness. *facepalm*

Whoa is me!
 
2013-12-15 12:01:52 PM
This thread is now a lesson is poor reading comprehension.


I didn't say I was trolling, dumbfark. I never pull that garbage. If I make a mistake, I admit it, not "HA I TROLL YOU!!11"
 
2013-12-15 12:04:24 PM

walktoanarcade: I was being trolled, not trolling.  Or a couple people were being obtuse.

I know, welcome to fark.



That comment had made it easy to give you the benefit of the doubt - that you're trolling and not actually retarded. I'll take your word for it though. If you're not trolling then you're being insistently dumb. My mistake.
 
2013-12-15 12:05:30 PM
Anyways, aren't plants subjected to far more intense EM radiation as well as a broader spectrum of EM radiation SITTING OUTSIDE GROWING UNDER THE farkING SUN than next to a cell phone?

There is a difference between full sun and partial shade and the myriad varieties of plants.  The sun, even at this distance, is a far more intense, by orders of magnitude, emitter of EM radiation than a cell phone.
 
2013-12-15 12:17:20 PM

meat0918: Anyways, aren't plants subjected to far more intense EM radiation as well as a broader spectrum of EM radiation SITTING OUTSIDE GROWING UNDER THE farkING SUN than next to a cell phone?

There is a difference between full sun and partial shade and the myriad varieties of plants.  The sun, even at this distance, is a far more intense, by orders of magnitude, emitter of EM radiation than a cell phone.


I love that the article said the healthy plants were in a "radiation-free" room. That alone is quite a scientific achievement.
 
2013-12-15 12:17:26 PM
Why is there a link to natural news and why does Fark have a special purpose banner for them? Are you trying to drive me away?
 
2013-12-15 12:19:02 PM

jake_lex: That is, "Let's try this with people who actually know how to grow plants."


Which I have done. And it's true. Wi-fi radiation interferes with the germination and growth of many plants.

Crops tested and verified personally by myself: Cannabis, Parris Island Romaine Lettuce, countless cultivars of Heirloom and GMO tomato, Soy, and every Capsicum I've laid my hands on.

The effect is worse with older A/B routers in the 2.4 GHz bands versus the newer G/N/AC routers in the 5 GHz band.

Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.
 
2013-12-15 12:20:11 PM
Good to know we have our top scientists looking into the issues......top.....scientists!
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-15 12:21:05 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: I love that the article said the healthy plants were in a "radiation-free" room. That alone is quite a scientific achievement.


They didn't mention this (you can call the school to ask, like I did, regarding the setup,) but 'radiation-free' was meant as in they had the rooms enclosed in a faraday cage to prevent wifi from other routers in the school causing interference.
 
2013-12-15 12:22:51 PM

khyberkitsune: Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.


So you're a research director for a research director?

/yo dawg, I'm putting Xzibit on standby
 
2013-12-15 12:24:44 PM

khyberkitsune: Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.


If the research director needs his/her own research director, that must be one hell of an organization.
 
2013-12-15 12:25:51 PM

khyberkitsune: Lenny_da_Hog: I love that the article said the healthy plants were in a "radiation-free" room. That alone is quite a scientific achievement.

They didn't mention this (you can call the school to ask, like I did, regarding the setup,) but 'radiation-free' was meant as in they had the rooms enclosed in a faraday cage to prevent wifi from other routers in the school causing interference.


I think I'll wait for the published paper.
 
2013-12-15 12:26:54 PM

gweilo8888: khyberkitsune: Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.

So you're a research director for a research director?

/yo dawg, I'm putting Xzibit on standby


Have Xzibit meet us for drinks at Shenanigans.
 
2013-12-15 12:31:34 PM

gweilo8888: khyberkitsune: Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.

So you're a research director for a research director?

/yo dawg, I'm putting Xzibit on standby


Lenny_da_Hog: khyberkitsune: Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.

If the research director needs his/her own research director, that must be one hell of an organization.


mongbiohazard: gweilo8888: khyberkitsune: Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.

So you're a research director for a research director?

/yo dawg, I'm putting Xzibit on standby

Have Xzibit meet us for drinks at Shenanigans.


Yea, I haven't had my coffee, yet. Just finished a UK/Australia Skype meeting. Not quite fully awake.

img.fark.net

But that is indeed what I do for a living, plus other side jobs (and designing other LED units) for the extra R&D money.
 
2013-12-15 12:38:11 PM

khyberkitsune: gweilo8888: khyberkitsune: Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.

So you're a research director for a research director?

/yo dawg, I'm putting Xzibit on standby

Lenny_da_Hog: khyberkitsune: Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.

If the research director needs his/her own research director, that must be one hell of an organization.

mongbiohazard: gweilo8888: khyberkitsune: Kinda part of my job as research director for a multinational horticultural research director.

So you're a research director for a research director?

/yo dawg, I'm putting Xzibit on standby

Have Xzibit meet us for drinks at Shenanigans.

Yea, I haven't had my coffee, yet. Just finished a UK/Australia Skype meeting. Not quite fully awake.



But that is indeed what I do for a living, plus other side jobs (and designing other LED units) for the extra R&D money.


Then maybe you should switch to HPS lights. I grow everything on your list except soybeans and pot right next to a wifi router, with 2 others with strong signals near as well, and I have seen no effects on either germination or growth before or after installation. As mentioned previously, if anything I've had better success with my seedlings as I've added wifi - and then more wifi. I'm already at around a 98% germination rate so I'm not sure how much better I would get if wifi did have the effect claimed and I removed my access points. That's pretty much as good as germination gets.
 
2013-12-15 12:42:41 PM
I have never seen a more entertaining argument with an inanimate object. One person would say something super intelligent and then the inanimate object would say...... Toaster.
 
2013-12-15 12:46:04 PM

khyberkitsune: Yea, I haven't had my coffee, yet. Just finished a UK/Australia Skype meeting. Not quite fully awake.

[img.fark.net image 850x637]

But that is indeed what I do for a living, plus other side jobs (and designing other LED units) for the extra R&D money.


A two-second GIS says that the multinational is so huge, it's website currently says "Our online store is currently closed for maintenance. Please visit us again soon."

Did you blow the whole budget on your in-depth Wi-Fi research and forget to sell your LED light bulbs?
 
2013-12-15 12:47:03 PM

walktoanarcade: What I stated was twisted by one farker and then more farkers ran with it.


You stated several things in support of this. Form the wifi uses radio waves which use air, to the claim about the ABC news story.


walktoanarcade: I never defended that website's headline, only part of the logic which could be possible.


No there is no logic where it could be possible, unless you want to ignore all the other devices which use similiar frequencies.


walktoanarcade: They defended that by proving my argument.


Didn't happen.
 
2013-12-15 12:48:08 PM
But what kind of effect will it have on my weed?
 
2013-12-15 12:54:39 PM

SpdrJay: My Wi-Fi router gave me pinkeye.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-15 12:57:18 PM

gweilo8888: khyberkitsune: Yea, I haven't had my coffee, yet. Just finished a UK/Australia Skype meeting. Not quite fully awake.

[img.fark.net image 850x637]

But that is indeed what I do for a living, plus other side jobs (and designing other LED units) for the extra R&D money.

A two-second GIS says that the multinational is so huge, it's website currently says "Our online store is currently closed for maintenance. Please visit us again soon."

Did you blow the whole budget on your in-depth Wi-Fi research and forget to sell your LED light bulbs?


We sold EcogroLED and no longer own the trademark rights, etc that went with the name.

But you don't seem to understand EcogroLED was a subdivision of a larger company that does everything from multimedia/website design to horticultural projects to making the huge LED-based ad screens you see around tennis courts and football pitches. Like most corporations, in fact.
 
2013-12-15 12:59:42 PM
Bah, I realize that may have sounded a bit dickish. Apologies, it wasn't meant to be that way.


Essentially, EcogroLED was a subdivision of a larger company, which is a subdivision of an even larger company, which is owned by another company of investors. Multiple levels and multiple industries.
 
2013-12-15 01:06:51 PM

khyberkitsune: But you don't seem to understand EcogroLED was a subdivision of a larger company that does everything from multimedia/website design to horticultural projects to making the huge LED-based ad screens you see around tennis courts and football pitches. Like most corporations, in fact.


Amazing -- and yet "EcoGroLED" or "EcoGro LED" in total return only 1,808 results on Google, and not a single news item ever on Google News. Not the most successful product launch ever, I can see why this huge multinational sold it.

It's interesting to me that the huge multinational was running its operation out of a house in Riverside, CA, according to the address on the Google Plus page for EcoGro. And that EcoGroLED, EcoGro, and Eco Gro, haven't ever been trademarked for anything except soil (and in all cases, those trademarks are lapsed.)

Care to identify the multinational, or will it sound a lot less impressive than the word multinational?
 
2013-12-15 01:45:14 PM

oukewldave: where's the Tinfoil Hat  tag?  Or at least Unlikely


I would settle for a repeat tag.
 
2013-12-15 01:48:21 PM
NaturalNews

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-12-15 01:49:53 PM

SpdrJay: My Wi-Fi router gave me pinkeye.


Mine gave me the clap.
 
2013-12-15 01:56:34 PM

walktoanarcade: Zarquon's Flat Tire: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

You know what else affects testicles? Heat, like from a laptop.

Really, if you'd check, wifi affects sperm, and it's been confirmed.  It's old news.

Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011.


Alright...I'll bite.

One: I think you mean "wifi"
And two: This has got to be the dumbest post I have read on Fark since the election last year. Your body does NOT react to radio frequencies like that. There have been MANY studies done on the effects of EMI and RFI on the human body and nothing shows any sort of effect like that (or any effect at all last I checked). This article is hogwash and the author should be drawn and quartered for spreading misinformation...or at least have a disclaimer on the article (WARNING! This article contains high levels of bullshiat),
 
2013-12-15 02:24:00 PM
welshnewsnot.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-15 02:25:18 PM

DeathCipris: walktoanarcade: Zarquon's Flat Tire: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

You know what else affects testicles? Heat, like from a laptop.

Really, if you'd check, wifi affects sperm, and it's been confirmed.  It's old news.

Google "wife affects sperm" and check out the results. The ABC news link dives right into it, and it's from 2011.

Alright...I'll bite.

One: I think you mean "wifi"
And two: This has got to be the dumbest post I have read on Fark since the election last year. Your body does NOT react to radio frequencies like that. There have been MANY studies done on the effects of EMI and RFI on the human body and nothing shows any sort of effect like that (or any effect at all last I checked). This article is hogwash and the author should be drawn and quartered for spreading misinformation...or at least have a disclaimer on the article (WARNING! This article contains high levels of bullshiat),


Hey, there are articles. Study it out.

/Sarcasm now off.
 
2013-12-15 02:45:46 PM

walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?

Yes.


So how do they use air?
 
2013-12-15 03:05:53 PM

The first thing I looked at: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?

Yes.

So how do they use air?


It's been discovered that there are some air molecules in space.
 
2013-12-15 03:18:59 PM

Great Porn Dragon: walktoanarcade: Again, I'm not defending this study, only the notion that it's possible for wifi to affect plants' communications.

I do no believe, nor have I ever said that wifi stops plants from growing because that's demonstrably false, but it could have some affect.  Our radios could be having an affect for all we know.

Try not to be so close-minded.  How wifi could affect sperm is a different matter, and needs a study in which I illustrated.

And what we've gently noted (and often not-so-gently noted) is the following:

a) An elementary school science fair experiment does not quite meet the standards of scientific rigor--this needs to be repeated in controlled conditions, in conditions that can be controlled far better than those conditions typically available to fourth-grade students.

b) Reliable sourcing is important.  People are more likely to respect "scientists in a controlled trial have noted concern re plants near wifi routers" printed in a reputable information source (a scientific paper or even a science-friendly magazine that hasn't dumbed down everything to Pakled-ese yet) than the Daily Fail, and they will even trust the Daily Fail over a guy who basically follows every conspiracy theory known to man short of Time Cube Theory.


The guy who owns the website regarding the link in question believes every story he hears is what your saying?  Hmmm

Your other points are duly noted and taken in the best way. Yeah, the experiment wasn't that good to say the least,  and NOW I understand the seeming vitriol..I didn't know that website was connected to conspiracies.  No wonder. OK, you men and women don't know me, but I have zero time for the likes of Jesse Ventura.

Point C made laugh. In the good way, in the good way..."farking the antennaes. "
 
2013-12-15 03:19:37 PM

walktoanarcade: The first thing I looked at: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?

Yes.

So how do they use air?

It's been discovered that there are some air molecules in space.


haha, I love this guy...
 
2013-12-15 03:22:06 PM

liam76: walktoanarcade: The first thing I looked at: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: commieprogressive: walktoanarcade: Wifi has been shown to affect sperm in men who use it on  their laptops, so this may also be true.

Plants use the air to communicate and are affected by the type of music one plays for them, making wifi interference with them entirely plausible.

Wait, E&M waves are interfering with sound waves?  Is my physics that bad or does this not make sense?

It makes sense because wifi uses radio waves, which uses the air...

/being trolled

You do know E&M waves exist in a vacuum?

Yes.

So how do they use air?

It's been discovered that there are some air molecules in space.

haha, I love this guy...


It's OK to laugh,(I laughed too) I knew what I had to reply was weak,....yet scientifically valid! ;)
 
2013-12-15 03:25:06 PM

walktoanarcade: It's OK to laugh,(I laughed too) I knew what I had to reply was weak,....yet scientifically valid! ;)


No it isn't.

And the fact that you don;t get it shows me you are trolling or don;t have the chops to have a conversation abotu this with grown-ups.
 
2013-12-15 03:29:16 PM

liam76: walktoanarcade: It's OK to laugh,(I laughed too) I knew what I had to reply was weak,....yet scientifically valid! ;)

No it isn't.

And the fact that you don;t get it shows me you are trolling or don;t have the chops to have a conversation abotu this with grown-ups.


*frowny face*   Maybe you need a time out so you stop making oopsies.

I was being overly generous with regards to air molecules in space, now in turn you want to take what's technically correct with what I've said, call it wrong, then tell me I'm not worthy of conversation.

All right, you're not worthy of my conversation. Get over yourself.
 
2013-12-15 03:33:00 PM

gweilo8888: khyberkitsune: But you don't seem to understand EcogroLED was a subdivision of a larger company that does everything from multimedia/website design to horticultural projects to making the huge LED-based ad screens you see around tennis courts and football pitches. Like most corporations, in fact.

Amazing -- and yet "EcoGroLED" or "EcoGro LED" in total return only 1,808 results on Google, and not a single news item ever on Google News. Not the most successful product launch ever, I can see why this huge multinational sold it.

It's interesting to me that the huge multinational was running its operation out of a house in Riverside, CA, according to the address on the Google Plus page for EcoGro. And that EcoGroLED, EcoGro, and Eco Gro, haven't ever been trademarked for anything except soil (and in all cases, those trademarks are lapsed.)

Care to identify the multinational, or will it sound a lot less impressive than the word multinational?


Let's see, you want the entirety of the names used for each company in each country? Because that would take a very long time to list all of the companies (and I'm quite sure I'd be leaving a few out unintentionally, there's just that many,) Example the UK sister company to what was EcoGroLED in the USA (I used the house address as the mailing address to keep our testing facility location private) is QuantumLED. There's ton's of it, going from Australia FodderTech, to some company in Japan whose name I can't pronounce nor Romanji enough to make sense for a search, up to the soon-to-open FuturLED in the USA (the company that bought EcogroLED's technology, trademarks, etc. ) and more. I guess the best way to describe it is a chain letter format for companies.

It's convoluted, and that's without shell companies.

All I do is make patentable stuff, make sure it works, they build a company around it, get someone to buy up the technology, we get paid, repeat.

I've run through at least 8 companies. Thank god I have an accountant to handle the tax headaches.
 
2013-12-15 03:56:55 PM
-1 for having your wifi router in the basement...
 
2013-12-15 04:48:25 PM

khyberkitsune: Let's see, you want the entirety of the names used for each company in each country? Because that would take a very long time to list all of the companies (and I'm quite sure I'd be leaving a few out unintentionally, there's just that many,) Example the UK sister company to what was EcoGroLED in the USA (I used the house address as the mailing address to keep our testing facility location private) is QuantumLED. There's ton's of it, going from Australia FodderTech, to some company in Japan whose name I can't pronounce nor Romanji enough to make sense for a search, up to the soon-to-open FuturLED in the USA (the company that bought EcogroLED's technology, trademarks, etc. ) and more. I guess the best way to describe it is a chain letter format for companies.

It's convoluted, and that's without shell companies.

All I do is make patentable stuff, make sure it works, they build a company around it, get someone to buy up the technology, we get paid, repeat.

I've run through at least 8 companies. Thank god I have an acco ...


Translation: "Multinational" equals "cottage industry buying in stuff from China", and there's nobody anyone would've ever heard of behind it.

But it doesn't sound so impressive when you put it that way, so I can understand your reticence.
 
2013-12-15 04:51:51 PM

walktoanarcade: liam76: walktoanarcade: It's OK to laugh,(I laughed too) I knew what I had to reply was weak,....yet scientifically valid! ;)

No it isn't.

And the fact that you don;t get it shows me you are trolling or don;t have the chops to have a conversation abotu this with grown-ups.

*frowny face*   Maybe you need a time out so you stop making oopsies.

I was being overly generous with regards to air molecules in space, now in turn you want to take what's technically correct with what I've said, call it wrong, then tell me I'm not worthy of conversation.

All right, you're not worthy of my conversation. Get over yourself.


Overly generous with stupidity maybe. Pretty common for you in this thread.

I would advise you to be a bit more stingy with it in the future.
 
2013-12-15 04:53:28 PM
Incidentally, as I already pointed out, EcoGroLED isn't trademarked, and nor is EcoGroLED. EcoGro (or Eco Gro / Eco-Gro, I forget but all would essentially be considered much of a muchness anyway, legally) exists, but only for soil, and has been allowed to lapse.

Nobody "bought" the EcoGro trademark. They might've bought copyright to a logo, but that's not a trademark.
 
2013-12-15 05:21:20 PM
This is completely true. My router is in a dark closet and absolutely nothing will grow near it.
 
2013-12-15 05:41:09 PM
wifi touched me at summer camp
 
2013-12-15 07:02:02 PM
Depends on what type of grow lights you are using.
 
2013-12-15 08:03:06 PM
My neighbor's wifi got my wife pregnant.  Then that same wifi fed the baby to a dingo.  Now I've been told the wifi gave me AIDS.  My neighbor's wifi is a dick
 
2013-12-15 11:47:43 PM
This claim is as bogus as the stuff the anti vaxers spout.  I have a shelf with my wifi router sitting on it right next to a vine.  It's doing very well.  There's another vine in a pot about 4 feet to the right of the router.  It goes right past the router for another 12 feet, and it's showing no signs of slowing down.
 
2013-12-16 02:17:24 AM

walktoanarcade: All right, you're not worthy of my conversation. Get over yourself.


Who's alt are you? Really? Because you're making a huge effort at getting ignored by a lot of people for a two week old name.
 
2013-12-16 11:36:21 AM

hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: All right, you're not worthy of my conversation. Get over yourself.

Who's alt are you? Really? Because you're making a huge effort at getting ignored by a lot of people for a two week old name.


Only by the most thin-skinned apparently. Whoa is me, for now I join the ranks of the ignored.

I'm not an alt. You could stand to chill out, Got a problem?  Tough. I have never talked to you before, so how could I have a problem with you?  Ohhhh you're starting drama. :)
 
2013-12-16 12:13:33 PM

walktoanarcade: hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: All right, you're not worthy of my conversation. Get over yourself.

Who's alt are you? Really? Because you're making a huge effort at getting ignored by a lot of people for a two week old name.

Only by the most thin-skinned apparently. Whoa is me, for now I join the ranks of the ignored.

I'm not an alt. You could stand to chill out, Got a problem?  Tough. I have never talked to you before, so how could I have a problem with you?  Ohhhh you're starting drama. :)


That's twice you've used this phrase now.  The word you are looking for is woe.
 
2013-12-16 12:19:27 PM

Egoy3k: walktoanarcade: hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: All right, you're not worthy of my conversation. Get over yourself.

Who's alt are you? Really? Because you're making a huge effort at getting ignored by a lot of people for a two week old name.

Only by the most thin-skinned apparently. Whoa is me, for now I join the ranks of the ignored.

I'm not an alt. You could stand to chill out, Got a problem?  Tough. I have never talked to you before, so how could I have a problem with you?  Ohhhh you're starting drama. :)

That's twice you've used this phrase now.  The word you are looking for is woe.


Oh no, that mistake ruined my day.
 
2013-12-16 12:20:13 PM

casual disregard: This crap again?

Can somebody find demonstrable, repeatable evidence that this device causes harm?



Many plants also won't grow in the dark. This must mean that the dark is dangerous. I have lots of dark areas in my own home.

How much should I panic over this news?
 
2013-12-16 12:27:57 PM

walktoanarcade: Egoy3k: walktoanarcade: hardinparamedic: walktoanarcade: All right, you're not worthy of my conversation. Get over yourself.

Who's alt are you? Really? Because you're making a huge effort at getting ignored by a lot of people for a two week old name.

Only by the most thin-skinned apparently. Whoa is me, for now I join the ranks of the ignored.

I'm not an alt. You could stand to chill out, Got a problem?  Tough. I have never talked to you before, so how could I have a problem with you?  Ohhhh you're starting drama. :)

That's twice you've used this phrase now.  The word you are looking for is woe.

Oh no, that mistake ruined my day.


Don't take it so hard man. Lots of people make mistakes.  All you need to do is read more. It helps improve your vocabulary and is enjoyable at the same time.
 
2013-12-16 03:06:14 PM
Green, red, green, red, green, red??? It would be great if the admins made up their minds.
 
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