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(Bloomberg)   Remember how Android devices used to let you configure what features apps had access to? Turns out that was too evil; or perhaps not evil enough   (bloomberg.com) divider line 66
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3236 clicks; posted to Geek » on 15 Dec 2013 at 8:54 AM (39 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-12-15 03:31:07 PM

OgreMagi: So with the installed OS, we can't prevent our phones from leaking private information all over the place. And it's also illegal to root my phone so I can install privacy preservation software on my own?

Please tell me again how much the government is protecting me.


The government is not forcing you to buy a smartphone. A cell phone has to be connected to the network and transmit your location, that's how it works. Smartphone apps make use of lots of data, that's how they work, and how they're funded.

It's no different to how stores track your purchases with loyalty cards, and even without them. There have been articles about stores sending coupons for new baby stuff before the woman has even told the guy she is pregnant, the stores loyalty card system has worked out she is pregnant before she has told anyone by monitoring her purchases.
Again, don't like it? Don't sign up for a loyalty card.
 
2013-12-15 03:33:06 PM

cptjeff: I get products and services for free, and I get ads that are actually relevant to my life instead of ads that are just completely irrelevant and irritating. If you accept advertising as a given, it's a win win.


I hate the ads that are based on what I search for. Ads should tell me about things I might be interested in, rather than what I'm expressly interested in. I don't need to see ads for argyle socks for 3 weeks because I searched for it one time, especially if I already bought them.

I bought the damn socks. I'm not buying more for a while.
 
2013-12-15 03:33:14 PM

OgreMagi: So with the installed OS, we can't prevent our phones from leaking private information all over the place. And it's also illegal to root my phone so I can install privacy preservation software on my own?

Please tell me again how much the government is protecting me.




It's not illegal to root your phone.
 
2013-12-15 03:42:01 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: OgreMagi: So with the installed OS, we can't prevent our phones from leaking private information all over the place. And it's also illegal to root my phone so I can install privacy preservation software on my own?

Please tell me again how much the government is protecting me.

It's not illegal to root your phone.


http://gizmodo.com/5978982/unlocking-your-phone-is-illegal-starting- to morrow
 
2013-12-15 04:01:41 PM

OgreMagi: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: OgreMagi: So with the installed OS, we can't prevent our phones from leaking private information all over the place. And it's also illegal to root my phone so I can install privacy preservation software on my own?

Please tell me again how much the government is protecting me.

It's not illegal to root your phone.

http://gizmodo.com/5978982/unlocking-your-phone-is-illegal-starting- to morrow




Unlocking and rooting are not the same thing. You can root a locked phone.
 
2013-12-15 04:15:30 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: OgreMagi: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: OgreMagi: So with the installed OS, we can't prevent our phones from leaking private information all over the place. And it's also illegal to root my phone so I can install privacy preservation software on my own?

Please tell me again how much the government is protecting me.

It's not illegal to root your phone.

http://gizmodo.com/5978982/unlocking-your-phone-is-illegal-starting- to morrow

Unlocking and rooting are not the same thing. You can root a locked phone.


Precisely.  Unlocking a handset allows you to use it with other carriers (including international ones if you're traveling abroad).

Rooting a handset means gaining superuser access to your device, including the ability to make changes to your system folders and allow certain apps to do the same.

Users usually install a superuser access control app (like SuperSU or superuser) to manage application requests for superuser privileges.  Note that this will usually void your warranty (if I remember correctly, Google doesn't mind so Nexus devices may be exempt) but reverting back to stock is usually a trivial matter, although certain manufacturers can make it a pain in the ass by tracking if the device has been modified.  Users will also need to (temporarily) unroot their devices if they want to apply OTA updates.
 
2013-12-15 04:35:42 PM
So it turns out that giving away everything in the world free was part of a devious secret "business plan". And now it's pay to play.

Sounds familiar.

Let's see, radio, TV, newspapers, the web, TotalFark, cellphones, ....
 
2013-12-15 06:20:25 PM

cptjeff: drumhellar: Flint Ironstag:  When that company essentially gives away it's products and services then you can't really complain. Just a couple of decades ago stuff like Google Maps, Streetview, cloud storage, translate, Youtube etc were pure science fiction. No one would have imagined they would be free to use if and when they did arrive.

But, apart from great Maps, Streetview, cloud storage, translate, YouTube, massive email storage, free office apps, and a great calendar, what has Google done for us?

[www.haaretz.com image 640x370]

Nothing.

A searchable archive of every out of copyright book ever published as well. Again, all for free.

I'm really quite okay with google using some data from me to build that shiat. They're not using that data to build criminal cases against me or put me on death lists ...


Yet
 
2013-12-15 06:43:42 PM
Subby had to slip this shiat in on Sunday.

Google removed an incomplete and hidden feature that can already be replaced by something that works for the people that want it with the intent to release it again in a non-hidden, more complete form in the future. I have no idea if my phone has this feature, because I don't know how to get to it and I remember reading you had to jump through hoops just to find it.

60%+ of the anti-Google bullshiat is bullshiat. I'm sure some is legit, but at least 60% is bullshiat.
 
2013-12-15 07:17:23 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Want free apps? Then you're going to end up allowing those apps to gather and sell your information.


What I want is a hack that lies to all the apps so they report erroneous data.

Anything out there?
 
2013-12-15 07:21:52 PM

Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Flint Ironstag: My android phone is full of apps, only one of which I had to pay for. I accept that ads and tracking to support those adds pays for that. For me it's a good deal, so I accept it.

Of course I can complain. I'm their customer and I pay for their products. The fact that lowest common denominators like you have forced me to pay in privacy rights instead of U.S. dollars doesn't mean I'm not paying for their products.

/ actually, it doesn't matter if I complain or not, I've been weeding Google out of my life for months now so I'm their customer less and less

And you're not their customer.



Applies to Google just as well.


Oh. God. No. I might have to see ads relevant to my interests.
 
2013-12-15 08:26:34 PM

Mad_Radhu: lordargent: I wish they would have a way to disable the version compatibility check that apps do.

Because this app is pissing me (and a lot of other people) off right now.

// the upgrade from android 4.4.1 to 4.4.2 killed that app. The developer sets a hard limit to what version it will run under. If you have even a minor version above that, boom, the app exits on launch with an "incompatible android version" error.

This is akin to a windows application refusing to run because you installed the latest service pack.

And unfortunately, this is the best (by a wide margin) of about a dozen different android video players that I've tried. Grrrrrrrr.

That's just terrible coding. It makes sense to set a minimum OS version, but a max version is just silly because updates are always being pushed out. I don't know why any coder would think it is a good idea.


So, is there no way to have Android report a specific version to an app similar to the way you can have your web browser tell a website that it is IE when it is not, in fact IE?
 
2013-12-15 08:34:57 PM
People should really ask themselves what they are getting from their smartphones...maps?  frivilous apps?  if you are concerned for your privacy and your wallet and what marketers do with your data, then you should consider those factors against what you are paying and what you are getting for it. 

But then it is easier to just biatch and moan and then keep doing things mondlessly.
 
2013-12-15 09:09:47 PM

OgreMagi: So with the installed OS, we can't prevent our phones from leaking private information all over the place. And it's also illegal to root my phone so I can install privacy preservation software on my own?

Please tell me again how much the government is protecting me.


The government doesn't protect you. You are not a vital interest for national security like a company is. You simply exist to legitimize the government which protects the entities and institutions it protects.

Eighty, ninety years they called it fascism and the industrialists of the day wanted it implemented here. Today we call it corporatocracy or technocracy and it is becoming more and more real. It just doesn't have the nasty racism and nationalism mixed in like the early version did.
 
2013-12-15 11:20:00 PM

Abner Doon: No, I don't remember that, because it only existed in one early release and was removed after.


yeah that piece of information wasn't headline-worthy though..
 
2013-12-16 02:46:05 AM
Benjimin_Dover: So, is there no way to have Android report a specific version to an app similar to the way you can have your web browser tell a website that it is IE when it is not, in fact IE?

Haven't found one yet (just started looking yesterday).

Rumor is that the developer uses it as a rudimentary form of DRM.

IE, if you pirated his app somehow, it will only work until the next android update, then you have to go through the hassle of pirating it again.
 
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