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(BOSS)   "Affluenza" judge gave a black 14-year-old life in prison without the possibility of parole for participating in a robbery in which someone died   (brothersonsports.com ) divider line
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2013-12-15 12:20:51 AM  
Silly subby, punishment is for immigrants and minorities.
 
2013-12-15 12:28:20 AM  
So? Poor kids have constructive knowledge that they have to follow the rules. This is like comparing apples to oranges. The apples are black, clearly past their date. The oranges look rich and juicy.
 
2013-12-15 12:34:10 AM  
If we're going to compare, we should compare drunk driving homicides. Surely there's somebody out there who's committed a similar act before.
 
2013-12-15 12:39:03 AM  
Wow.  What a biatch.
 
2013-12-15 01:31:00 AM  
Welcome to the felony murder rule.
 
2013-12-15 01:32:28 AM  
If a 14 year old can be treated as an adult in criminal court they should be allowed to drive, sign contracts and such.
 
2013-12-15 01:33:41 AM  
 
2013-12-15 01:46:15 AM  

TheHighlandHowler: itcamefromschenectady: drunk driving homicides


Yes, but that's not a minor.
 
2013-12-15 02:02:54 AM  
Black kid's lawyer probably wasn't all that good. Most definitely a competent lawyer would have been able to get less time for him. And it is bullshiat that he gets life without killing anyone while that asshole gets off after a DWI/Manslaughter conviction. Its ludicrous.

/Please note that I am not defending nor attacking life imprisonment of minors. I have limited the situation narrowly to ensure that my message cannot be taken the wrong way.
 
2013-12-15 05:19:10 AM  
One crime is pre meditated and the other is not?
 
2013-12-15 06:17:11 AM  
"Affluenza" judge

I haven't heard of this...

*googles*


In December 2013, State District Judge Jean Boyd sentenced a North Texas teenager, Ethan Couch,[6] to 10 years probation for driving while drunk and killing four pedestrians after his attorneys successfully argued that the teen suffered from affluenza and needed rehabilitation, and not prison. The teen was witnessed on surveillance video stealing beer from a store, driving with seven passengers in his Ford F-350, speeding, and had a blood-alcohol content of 0.24. A defense psychologist testified in court that the teen was a product of affluenza and was unable to link his bad behavior with consequences due to his parents teaching him that wealth buys privilege. The rehabilitation facility near Newport Beach, California that the teen will be attending will cost his family $450,000.00 annually.[7][8]


Then the Judge proceeds to prove the boy's parents correct.
 
2013-12-15 06:17:54 AM  
 
2013-12-15 07:24:05 AM  
Kuntrell  ???? Kid was doomed from day 0.
 
2013-12-15 07:24:14 AM  
"Where Black Men Control The Conversation"

Its OK, when the Black Men Dominate. Quiet Stormfront.
 
2013-12-15 07:28:34 AM  

log_jammin: "Affluenza" judge

I haven't heard of this...


Really? It's all over my facebooks.
Not that it's anything new, but it is a bit more obvious and naked than before. Like a lot of things that make it to the facebooks...
 
2013-12-15 07:29:16 AM  
Intent, premeditation, and how you act afterward all play into the charges and sentencing. I'm not all that familiar with either case, but i'd imagine most people are leaving those factors out of the equation.
 
2013-12-15 07:30:07 AM  

cman: And it is bullshiat that he gets life without killing anyone while that asshole gets off after a DWI/Manslaughter conviction. Its ludicrous.


I'm offended that you called it ludicrous. The correct term is America.
 
2013-12-15 07:32:25 AM  

thekingcobra: Intent, premeditation, and how you act afterward all play into the charges and sentencing. I'm not all that familiar with either case, but i'd imagine most people are leaving those factors out of the equation.


Still think rich kid should be publicly executed after being tortured
 
2013-12-15 07:33:13 AM  

thekingcobra: Intent, premeditation, and how you act afterward all play into the charges and sentencing. I'm not all that familiar with either case, but i'd imagine most people are leaving those factors out of the equation.


Apparently the only fact that's important is that one was black and poor, the other white and rich.  What more do you need to know?
 
2013-12-15 07:34:48 AM  

you are a puppet: So? Poor kids have constructive knowledge that they have to follow the rules. This is like comparing apples to oranges. The apples are black, clearly past their date. The oranges look rich and juicy.


Hey the affluenza kid may have killed four people, but is that any reason to accuse him of being New Jerseyan?
 
2013-12-15 07:35:59 AM  
Boo hoo. You willingly participated in an armed robbery, there was always the strong possibility someone would get shot.
 
2013-12-15 07:36:06 AM  
I suppose you think the judge should be overriding expert testimony from government-certified professionals here in favor of her own opinions on what does and does not constitute a mental illness.
 
2013-12-15 07:36:09 AM  
Well the minority kid should have had rich parents who could afford to give the judge an envelope full of money, because that is the only rational reason I can think of to describe her other famous ruling.
 
2013-12-15 07:36:57 AM  

AngryDragon: thekingcobra: Intent, premeditation, and how you act afterward all play into the charges and sentencing. I'm not all that familiar with either case, but i'd imagine most people are leaving those factors out of the equation.

Apparently the only fact that's important is that one was black and poor, the other white and rich.  What more do you need to know?


Whether the check cleared yet?
 
2013-12-15 07:37:54 AM  

sammyk: One crime is pre meditated and the other is not?


So he didn't plan on driving drunk? Just driving along and suddenly got intoxicated without any of his own actions leading to it?
 
2013-12-15 07:38:32 AM  
Kuntrell Jackson? Really?
 
2013-12-15 07:39:41 AM  

starsrift: log_jammin: "Affluenza" judge

I haven't heard of this...

Really? It's all over my facebooks.
Not that it's anything new, but it is a bit more obvious and naked than before. Like a lot of things that make it to the facebooks...


I don't read any news or political posts on facebook. It keeps me from deleting people. Or more importantly, it keeps me from being deleted.
 
2013-12-15 07:40:17 AM  

Lsherm: Silly subby, punishment is for immigrants and minorities.


Yuh-huh ... 'cause it never happens to white guys ... (wrong) ...
 
2013-12-15 07:40:41 AM  

Suede head: Boo hoo. You willingly participated in an armed robbery, there was always the strong possibility someone would get shot.


Drinking and driving also has a strong possibility of car wrecks.
 
2013-12-15 07:40:49 AM  
The important difference: Booze is popular, everybody drives drunk, so everyone is sympathetic to drunken killers.

/off to the bar in my SUV.
 
2013-12-15 07:40:58 AM  

thekingcobra: Intent, premeditation, and how you act afterward all play into the charges and sentencing. I'm not all that familiar with either case, but i'd imagine most people are leaving those factors out of the equation.


Killing the clerk isn't the usual plan for someone participating in a robbery, just something that could happen. Is that what they call premeditated these days?
You'll note that the kid wasn't the one with the gun - just a participant in the robbery itself.
 
2013-12-15 07:41:10 AM  

Suede head: Boo hoo. You willingly participated in an armed robbery, there was always the strong possibility someone would get shot.


Life without parole??? At 14??? Is that justice to you? Why not just take the farker out back and put a bullet in his skull. It'd be less tax-dollars after all.

How far do we go? How far do we take this concept? At what point do we draw the line on Justice and admit what we're doing is just vengeance?
 
2013-12-15 07:41:17 AM  
How come when people want to make the argument of minorities getting worse sentenses they always have the worst imaginable examples.

reminds me of everyone biatching about that stand your ground case a while back where the black girl got jail and they ignored the fact that there was a court order prohibiting her from being there, and she left to safety to get the gun and then returned.

Most of us agree with the aargument that minorities get a shiat deal on justice, but you aren't helping when you parade out someone involved in a robbery where someone was killed and act like that's an apples to apples comparison to a DUI. Also isn't there mandatory sentencing for felony murder lots of places? Did the judge even have a say in that?
 
2013-12-15 07:42:42 AM  
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Defense argument, from the official transcript:

Quote:

Kuntrell Jackson was born in a household where there was
nothing but violence and guns and people shooting each
other. His grandmother shot his uncle. His mother shot
a neighbor. His brother shot someone. They were all
put to jail.

But, unlike an adult, these children don't
have the ability to escape. A child of 14 cannot leave
his criminogenic or violent environment. They have no
control over that. And because --

Unquote

http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/10-9 64 7.pdf

So - are we arguing here that the anti-affluenza defense is a valid defense?
 
2013-12-15 07:43:06 AM  
Affluenza??!?

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2013-12-15 07:43:57 AM  

casual disregard: Suede head: Boo hoo. You willingly participated in an armed robbery, there was always the strong possibility someone would get shot.

Life without parole??? At 14??? Is that justice to you? Why not just take the farker out back and put a bullet in his skull. It'd be less tax-dollars after all.

How far do we go? How far do we take this concept? At what point do we draw the line on Justice and admit what we're doing is just vengeance?


Well, seems a little extreme but I could get behind this idea in some cases.
 
2013-12-15 07:44:51 AM  

NickelP: How come when people want to make the argument of minorities getting worse sentenses they always have the worst imaginable examples.

reminds me of everyone biatching about that stand your ground case a while back where the black girl got jail and they ignored the fact that there was a court order prohibiting her from being there, and she left to safety to get the gun and then returned.

Most of us agree with the aargument that minorities get a shiat deal on justice, but you aren't helping when you parade out someone involved in a robbery where someone was killed and act like that's an apples to apples comparison to a DUI. Also isn't there mandatory sentencing for felony murder lots of places? Did the judge even have a say in that?


Just for clarity's sake, how is killing people while doing something illegal (drunk driving) different from killing people while doing something illegal (burglary)?

Both sides are stupid. But the black kid is going to jail for life while the white kid is going to be driving his Porsche to the health center every other weekend for "treatment".
 
2013-12-15 07:44:52 AM  
The black kid in question should've probably been given around 15-25 years.The white kid should get life w/no parole.

/slams gavel
 
2013-12-15 07:46:21 AM  
Jesus Christ. Most adults who kill someone directly don't get life without parole.
 
2013-12-15 07:46:51 AM  
and yes, she is a republican. and also, she recently announced she is going to retire soon. wonder if some rich kids parents may have "enhanced" her retirement fund?
 
2013-12-15 07:48:11 AM  

NickelP: but you aren't helping when you parade out someone involved in a robbery where someone was killed and act like that's an apples to apples comparison to a DU


Rich kid willingly committed a crime that ended in someone's death. I don't see the difference. except Rich kid killed the people directly. Black kid didn't.
 
2013-12-15 07:49:00 AM  
Well, the world needs ditch diggers too.
 
2013-12-15 07:49:59 AM  
The felony murder rule is bullshiat. Treating minors as adults is bullshiat. Affluenza is toooootal bullshiat. The American prison industry is some horrific bullshiat. Comparing two specific cases in which virtually every factor is different, as a demonstration of racial bias...also smells a little like bullshiat.
 
2013-12-15 07:50:12 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: sammyk: One crime is pre meditated and the other is not?

So he didn't plan on driving drunk? Just driving along and suddenly got intoxicated without any of his own actions leading to it?


DERP
Wipe the spittle from the corners of your mouth
 
2013-12-15 07:50:56 AM  
Yep it appears Texas has a mandatory minimum of life without parole for this. But keep up the 'its just because they are black stuff'. Now mandatory minimums may be bs, but whites would get the same result.
 
2013-12-15 07:51:27 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: The felony murder rule is bullshiat. Treating minors as adults is bullshiat. Affluenza is toooootal bullshiat. The American prison industry is some horrific bullshiat. Comparing two specific cases in which virtually every factor is different, as a demonstration of racial bias...also smells a little like bullshiat.


Well said.
 
2013-12-15 07:51:49 AM  

AngryDragon: casual disregard: Suede head: Boo hoo. You willingly participated in an armed robbery, there was always the strong possibility someone would get shot.

Life without parole??? At 14??? Is that justice to you? Why not just take the farker out back and put a bullet in his skull. It'd be less tax-dollars after all.

How far do we go? How far do we take this concept? At what point do we draw the line on Justice and admit what we're doing is just vengeance?

Well, seems a little extreme but I could get behind this idea in some cases.


I had to take some deep farking breaths to calm myself. I'm still trembling a bit.

He's a child. He has no concept of rational thought. He was hollowed by his environment of violence and hatred. Do you truly believe that he is beyond redemption, beyond saving?

Somebody told me once that this is a Christian country. I did a bit of reading and believing in my day. Forgiveness was one of the key tenets. Yet this supposedly Christian country has no compunction about sending a child to prison for his entire life.

I just....I just don't want to live with people who think like you do. I wish I could leave. But there's nowhere to go. The moon, maybe? fark you people.
 
2013-12-15 07:52:06 AM  
Oh, damn. Every year like clockwork, I have gone to Walgreens for my annual affluenza shot. Now I'll NEVER catch it.
 
2013-12-15 07:53:29 AM  

Mugato: NickelP: but you aren't helping when you parade out someone involved in a robbery where someone was killed and act like that's an apples to apples comparison to a DU

Rich kid willingly committed a crime that ended in someone's death. I don't see the difference. except Rich kid killed the people directly. Black kid didn't.


One has a statute that says you get life in jail, or the death penalty. One doesn't and a judge can set a punishment based on his judgement for starters.
 
2013-12-15 07:54:25 AM  
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/07/05/us/young-killers-in-texas-await-c hange-in-mandatory-life-sentences.html

sorry forgot my link
 
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