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(Baton Rouge Advocate)   Dumb: Gun buyback programs. Even dumber: Refusing to take in illegal guns. You know, the ones everyone actually wants off the streets   (theadvocate.com) divider line 57
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2013-12-14 11:37:20 PM  
6 votes:
FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.
2013-12-15 02:26:08 AM  
3 votes:

IlGreven: sendtodave: Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.

Well, the citizen that traded it in for a fifty buck gift certificate obviously didn't need it.

I'd guess all the citizens that didn't trade their sniper rifles in did still need them.

For what?

No, really; I want to know what a sniper rifle could be used for that another firearm could not be.


Please describe the technical difference between a sniper rifle and a conventional hunting rifle.
2013-12-15 02:12:45 AM  
3 votes:

stevarooni: Frank N Stein: What really boggles my mind is that there's still people out there who don't realize how farking retardedly inefficient gun buyback programes are

They don't perform their  stated function, no, but they do act as masturbatory fantasies/hate-ons for those who want to show people that yes, there are still firearms out there...despite their best efforts to save people from them.  :-P  "Why, there could be an assault rifle in your grandfather's attic, and you might not even know it!"


This made the news out here in Chicago. About a year or so ago Chicago held a gun buyback program. A gun shop/shooting club got together and turned in a bunch of inoperable/worthless guns for $100 each (I think). That group then used the money to fund a youth shooting camp and publicized what they did. Plenty of people got buttwrecked about it, and even the police weren't too happy about it:
"We host the gun turn-in event on an annual basis to encourage residents to turn in their guns so that we take firearms off our streets, and it's unfortunate that this group is abusing a program intended to increase the safety of our communities."

Maximum trolling. 10/10
2013-12-15 02:03:42 AM  
3 votes:
Gun buybacks are for making people feel better, not stopping crime.  Just like gun control laws.
2013-12-15 02:26:14 PM  
2 votes:

BigNumber12: Dimensio: I am not actually attempting to "troll". I am attempting to issue statements so outlandish that the intent of sarcasm is obvious to any reader.

You got a huge number of angry responses for having deployed simple sarcasm. It's almost like the emotions involved in this issue cloud the judgment of people on both sides.


For fair consideration: I have read serious proposals to
* Ban all firearms
* Ban all semi-automatic firearms
* Ban all ammunition calibers capable of penetrating police body armour
* Ban silencers
* Mandate "insurance" for all firearm owners.
* Limit ammunition possession to no more than one-hundred, fifty, or even ten rounds at a time
* Ban ammunition reloading
* Assign liability, typically civil but sometimes criminal, when a firearm is criminally misused to not only the owner of the firearm but even the original seller of the firearm and to the manufacturer of the firearm.

I have also read civilian disarmament advocates seriously claim that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution in some way imposes a prohibition upon firearm ownership by any individual who is not a member of a militia.

As such, I can understand why my postings may incorrectly be assumed to be sincere; numerous civilian disarmament advocates have already demonstrated themselves to be extremely unintelligent and irrational.
2013-12-15 12:31:43 PM  
2 votes:

CthulhuCalling: jayphat: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

I caught that bit too. The only "assault weapons" becoming popular are the ones being brought in illegally from Mexico and those biatches are full on military assault rifles.

You mean the ones that were sent to Mexico from the US?


Yeah the ones the State Department sells to the Mexican government.

http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/761727_re-ct-us-mexico-ct-u-s-gove rn ment-may-be-primary-suppliers.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/legal-us-gun-sales-to-mexico-arming-cart el s/
2013-12-15 04:22:57 AM  
2 votes:

BayouOtter: BayouOtter: howdoibegin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

Cool. What's the number when used in murder sprees that kill over 5 people? We're not saying we're gunna stop crime, but isn't it nice not to have mass murder?

Very few, actually. Consider firstly that "mass shootings' (4+ murders via gun by one person at one place at one time) take less that 200 hundred lives a year. Consider secondly that even the most deadly of shooting sprees (Lubys and Virgina Tech) the weapon of choice were handguns. In short, semiautomatic rifles aren't the problem and its pretty wasteful to go after them.

Mass murderers are the problem, and without guns they'll use arson (47 lives), arson again (198 lives), car bombs, crashes, whatever.


Oklahoma City killed 168 people I believe, which is more than the previous 11 years worth of mass shootings. Current 30 year average is 15 deaths per year from an average of 2 shooters with 530 deaths from 83 incidences since 1983. To put that into perspective, lightning kills around 27 people annually.

Some when you consider there are an average of 2 people a year willing to commit mass murder out a potential 120 million (est 2012 18+ male population), you're kind of out of luck in stopping it. Unless you really want to go total police state and screen every man woman and child over 13 for mental illness annually and then find somewhere to put the millions that show positive for things like schizophrenia and various affective disorders.

Course you could ban scary black semi auto rifles and reduce total annual death by <100, you could ban large capacity magazines and save <10 lives maybe, as 99% of murders with firearms involve handguns.

Or, we could cut to the chase and work on stamping out poverty and hunger, which would reduce all crime significantly. But really, that smacks of effort and doesn't sell news.

Fun fact, our current US murder rate is around 4.7/100k and if we eliminated all firearm related violence it'd drop to around 1.46 (est 16k deaths w/ 11k firearms related) which is still higher than the majority of Europe which pops in around 1.2. So maybe we're just a violent group of people?
2013-12-15 04:04:45 AM  
2 votes:

IlGreven: I'd guess all the citizens that didn't trade their sniper rifles in did still need them.

For what?

No, really; I want to know what a sniper rifle could be used for that another firearm could not be


 Define the term 'sniper rifle' for us first. Usually it is used by the gun ban contingent, as it is here, to describe any bolt-action (single shot) hunting rifle. Its single-shot status is in contrast to the auto-loading rifle, which they define as an 'assault rifle'.
 Remember, they don't want to ban all rifles, just 'assault rifles' and 'sniper rifles'. They really only want restrictions on just those two types, those that auto-load and those that don't. They will leave the rest alone. Really.

 In this case it was a simple deer hunting rifle, and a marginal one at that. But since it had a scope on it, its a 'sniper rifle' now to that group, which no civilian legitimately can justify the need to engage targets that far away. This is opposed to a rifle without optics, which they define as a 'military-style tactical rifle', designed only to engage targets at close range, which obviously no civilian has a legitimate need to have.
 Remember, those are the only two types they need to ban; those with scopes, and those without.

 Its the same logic they use in ammo discussions about the two dangerous ammo types; 'armor piercing' 'cop killer' bullets (solid tip), and 'dum-dum' 'exploding bullets' (hollow tip). They really only want restrictions on just those two types, the ones with holes in the tip and the the ones without holes. They will leave the rest alone. Really.
2013-12-15 03:05:17 AM  
2 votes:

butt_made_baby: Dimensio: butt_made_baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA

 Gun control does work.    In this country people were heavily against any reforms on guns at all.     It is illegal to own a semi automatic rifle.   It is illegal to own any rifle or shotgun with high capacity magazines.  People got over it.  Besides the resounding reasoning of MURICA why do you need a large caliber semi automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine?

Please define "large caliber" and "high capacity magazine".


Over 6.5mm and over ten rounds.      http://parliamentflagpost.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/australian-gun-laws . html


Ah. Sweet. So these will be perfectly fine, then.

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Good to know where the line is.
2013-12-15 03:04:31 AM  
2 votes:

butt_made_baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA

 Gun control does work.    In this country people were heavily against any reforms on guns at all.     It is illegal to own a semi automatic rifle.   It is illegal to own any rifle or shotgun with high capacity magazines.  People got over it.  Besides the resounding reasoning of MURICA why do you need a large caliber semi automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine?


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Yeah, they worked really well, that is to say, not at all. At least criminals aren't able to get guns at all, right?
Oh wait Jeweller Angelos Koots admits to making sub-machine guns at his Seven Hills home and supplying them to biker groups
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"Backyard arms trader Angelos Koots admitted making up to 100 of the perfectly constructed MAC 10 machine guns - more commonly seen in war zones and believed to have been used in Sydney gang shootings - at his Seven Hills house.
The guns, sold with two magazines and a silencer, were of such quality that during "Mythbuster" style tests alongside a genuine MAC 10 they fired 600 rounds a minute.

Sydney District Court heard that Koots made the guns for an associate who had links to outlaw motorcycle gangs.
The high-powered made-to-order weapons were then sold at meetings organised by a Penrith gym owner and another syndicate member, with the transaction taking place opposite a McDonalds in Glenmore Park."

Well sure he's the only arms trafficker in Australia, right? Wrong!
"A LAKE Macquarie man who was making handguns  that fell into the hands of Newcastle drug dealers was jailed on Monday for four years and six months."


But hey, back to your statement: Why do you NEED religious liberty, or freedom of the press? Why do you NEED a court with presumption of innocence, why do you NEED protection from unreasonable searches and seizures? We could play this all day long.
2013-12-15 02:54:14 AM  
2 votes:

sycraft: howdoibegin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

Cool. What's the number when used in murder sprees that kill over 5 people? We're not saying we're gunna stop crime, but isn't it nice not to have mass murder?

Turns out that pistols are still the favoured weapons in that case. Also, pump action shotguns have been used as well (the Naval Yard shooting, for example). Rifles/carbines are just not used in crimes that often.


The obvious solution is to expand the definition of "assault weapon" to include any firearm model ever used in a homicide. As the term "assault weapon" is entirely arbitrary, such alteration is fully justified.

The state of California attempted to enact such an expansion, but the state governor -- evidently in the pocket of the National Rifle Association -- vetoed the legislation.
2013-12-15 02:47:16 AM  
2 votes:

ElLoco: Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.

This has to be a troll. People don't actually believe that, do they? 'As powerful as a sniper rifle'? 'Military assault calibers'? Seriously?

You need to put down that Time magazine and do some research. If you want to be afraid of being shot with something, be afraid of having a leg blown off with some old geezer's elk rifle. If I have to get shot with ANY kind of rifle, I'm hoping it will be an 'assault' rifle with military rounds. A gut shot from a soft nose .300 Weatherby will spray organ chunks for 30 feet.


Relax. He's being sarcastic.
2013-12-15 02:45:31 AM  
2 votes:

howdoibegin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

Cool. What's the number when used in murder sprees that kill over 5 people? We're not saying we're gunna stop crime, but isn't it nice not to have mass murder?


You are correct; mass murder is entirely impossible without use of a rifle featuring a pistol grip and adjustable stock.
2013-12-15 02:43:58 AM  
2 votes:

IlGreven: sendtodave: Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.

Well, the citizen that traded it in for a fifty buck gift certificate obviously didn't need it.

I'd guess all the citizens that didn't trade their sniper rifles in did still need them.

For what?

No, really; I want to know what a sniper rifle could be used for that another firearm could not be.


So funny story-

Today I was out shooting in the desert with the wife. She has a Remington 700 chambered in 7mm (same model that the Army bases the M-24 on). I had my Ruger Scout (.308 Winchester- basically the same as the military 7.62x51 round) and my Tikka T3 in 300 WSM (.30 caliber). The Tikka is my hunting rifle, and it packs more knockdown power than most rifles the military is fielding today, with a few exceptions such as the .50 BMG and 338 Lapua.

The guys shooting near us were having a grand old time shooting up the desert, but between their inexperience and the growing pile of Budweiser bottles, they couldn't hit the 1 pound jar of Tannerite they set about 100 yards out. One of the guys staggered over and asked if I wanted to shoot their target. Now 100 yards is nothing, and the shot was easily made. The guys all cheered at the explosion and they hailed my Great Feat of Marksmanship. I asked them why they had me come over, and one of the guys said "well you have that cool sniper rifle there". Well, sorry guys, but this "sniper rifle" capable of shooting 4" groups at 600 yards is nothing but a hunting rifle.

That's really what sniper rifles are. They're just hunting rifles. The first sniper rifles WERE hunting rifles as in the early days of sniping, the military really didn't field anything acceptable for precision shooting, and up until Vietnam, most believed that sniping was not a soldier's profession. Most sniper rifles, except for the big boys like the Barrett or MacMillan started out as civilian rifles. The M-24 that I shot while in the Army started out as a Remington 700 just like my wife's, and they just replace the stock, add a Leo scope, Harris bipod and make it all black. Same action as a 700, same caliber (.308 Winchester). My wife's 700 is capable of engaging a target (deer) 500+ yards, and its completely stock. I've taken shots past 800 yards with my Tikka. Are these sniper rifles?

Typically, while the military occasionally makes a leap ahead of the civilians in terms of technology, the military is more often than not the ones who are militarizing civilian firearms, accessories, and techniques.
2013-12-15 02:02:02 AM  
2 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.


For fair consideration: telling the truth would not be as conducive toward attaining popular support for unreasonable restrictions on popular sporting rifles.
2013-12-15 02:01:06 AM  
2 votes:

Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.


No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.
2013-12-15 12:32:10 AM  
2 votes:

Frank N Stein: HotWingAgenda: The only example that article mentioned of a gun that was refused was one that was so broken it couldn't possibly fire. It's not like they were rejecting sawed off shotguns and tommy guns with box mags.

ftfa
Not everyone left the Living Faith Christian Center on Winboure Avenue with a Circle K gas card for turning their unused and unwanted guns in to law enforcement officials, though.
They did not meet the criteria to receive a $50 Circle K gas card because their weapons were illegal


This is an example of agenda blindness.  He literally couldn't see that sentence because it disagreed with his assumptions.
2013-12-14 11:09:50 PM  
2 votes:
I'll give anybody fifty bucks for a gun they own and don't want as long as it is not stolen or has a body on it.
2013-12-16 06:53:11 AM  
1 votes:

redmid17: GodComplex: liam76: GodComplex: Why would petty theft be in the news? No one cares that guns are stolen. Do you hear about every car that's stolen?

Are cars often used to murder people?

GodComplex: there is no law saying you can't sell your possessions, first sale clause and all

In some states there are restrictions where you have to go through a FFL. I have a problem with that, in that it is a pain in the ass and can easily be circumvented by going to another state under the table.

I support the right to sell what you own, but guns are dangerous tools. I have no problem with common sense restrictions, and the only way to ensure people follow them is to track sales. It should be done at the federal level, or at least with standard requirements across the US, and free to sellers.

The problem with requiring to go to an FFL to transfer is they tend to charge money. This falls in the similar vein of 'poll tax' in which you are being required to spend money to exercise a right. It's also pointless because there is no national registry, as that's illegal, and thus no way to enforce this method. Now, if I could call up the NICS at no charge, I'd have no problem doing so.

And a great number of things are dangerous, yet I can freely purchase and own things without government interference. Things like crossbows, gatling guns, and flame throwers. The problem with 'common sense' restrictions is that it's tyranny. Saying, "I can take away your rights cause it's just common sense" is probably one of the most absurd arguments one could make. Course if we were arguing from common sense, we spend more time regulating ladders and making sure kids knew how to swim and less time trying to remove rights.

Common sense is the last defense of someone who has lost the debate, and thus should never be brought up.

Not just charging money for them, many just plain won't do it. They make  a pittance off of it and are on the hook for keeping all the documentation. Add that to the fact th ...


I do believe that's the ultimate goal. Sure you can own guns, but you can only buy them from FFLs, oh did we forget to mention we don't issue FFLs anymore? Damn shame.
2013-12-15 02:51:51 PM  
1 votes:

liam76: GodComplex: Why would petty theft be in the news? No one cares that guns are stolen. Do you hear about every car that's stolen?

Are cars often used to murder people?

GodComplex: there is no law saying you can't sell your possessions, first sale clause and all

In some states there are restrictions where you have to go through a FFL. I have a problem with that, in that it is a pain in the ass and can easily be circumvented by going to another state under the table.

I support the right to sell what you own, but guns are dangerous tools. I have no problem with common sense restrictions, and the only way to ensure people follow them is to track sales. It should be done at the federal level, or at least with standard requirements across the US, and free to sellers.


And this is why you will not get background checks, this is why people fight so hard against them.

You're trying to create a list of who has guns.  This is not acceptable.

It's not the background check that bothers people.  The vast majority people selling a gun privately would be happy to verify that the person they're selling to is not a criminal.  But unless you can guarantee that said background check will absolutely not be used to track anything, it's not acceptable.
2013-12-15 01:44:33 PM  
1 votes:

NEDM: Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.

Do people not look at the name of a poster when they reply or something?  This is incredible.   I never imagined you'd get so many bites when it's obvious that YOU'RE the one who said that.


I am not actually attempting to "troll". I am attempting to issue statements so outlandish that the intent of sarcasm is obvious to any reader.
2013-12-15 01:32:31 PM  
1 votes:

liam76: Giltric: The perp almost always gives up the person who supplied the gun, but usually the supplier is another criminal, and the gun was stolen.

Citation needed.

And if most guns being used in crimes have been stolen, why don;t we have constant headlines of the daily stolen guns that must be happening to support it?


Why would petty theft be in the news? No one cares that guns are stolen. Do you hear about every car that's stolen?
2013-12-15 01:20:34 PM  
1 votes:

the_cnidarian: Which weapons aren't used for assault?


The vast majority of guns in the U.S.?
2013-12-15 12:40:41 PM  
1 votes:

CthulhuCalling: She has a Remington 700 chambered in 7mm


I bought a 700 and a box of 7mmM 20 years ago.

20 shots, 8 moose, 12 elk.

Time for another box.
2013-12-15 12:35:37 PM  
1 votes:

Giltric: stewbert: feckingmorons: I'll give anybody fifty bucks for a gun they own and don't want as long as it is not stolen or has a body on it.

That's the huge problem with gun buy backs. My cop buddy says that known gang members frequent them to get rid of guns used in crimes. Its a horrible execution of an ok idea.


There have been stories where these guns don't even get disposed of...the department sells them to someone who then sells them to people where they might or might not end up in the wrong hands all over again.


Up here in the NW it's illegal for cops to destroy anything that falls under curio & relic, which currently includes anything made prior to 1963. Other states actually forbid police from destroying them and require they get sold to a FFL. Which should make everyone happy cause background checks prevent crime, right?

Course the bigger problem is that they the anti-gun crowd can't advertise buybacks, cause people show up with cash and offer better deals.
2013-12-15 09:54:00 AM  
1 votes:

jaybeezey: howdoibegin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

Cool. What's the number when used in murder sprees that kill over 5 people? We're not saying we're gunna stop crime, but isn't it nice not to have mass murder?

I'm betting it's still pretty low. Even a 100 yr old gun design like the 1911 can carry 7rnds in its stock form.

You're going to have to get more specific, like "but how many times has an assault rifle been been used to kill more than 10 people when a rifle has been used in mass murder at a school or movie theatre?"

That should get the results you are looking for.


Now you're getting confused. See, we're talking about rifles, assault rifles, and "assault weapons".
The first two terms have actual objective definitions that we can use to describe and discriminate.
A rifle is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder, featuring a helical grooved barrel.
An assault rifle is a rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge which features select-fire capability - that is it can fire in single, burst, or fully automatic mode.
An "assault weapon" is a nebulous term that is purposefully kept vague in order to confuse you into equating semi-automatic guns with certain colors and ergonomic features for fully automatic assault rifles.
2013-12-15 07:35:48 AM  
1 votes:

liam76: GodComplex: Course you could ban scary black semi auto rifles and reduce total annual death by <100, you could ban large capacity magazines and save <10 lives maybe, as 99% of murders with firearms involve handguns.

Bans like that are idiotic.

I do support requiring private sellers to follow some sort of process to ensure they are selling to someone who is legal, and that it is tracked.


enry: The graphs say nothing about firearms being used in the robberies

So you think there was a spike of "armed robberies" using knives after the ban?

Either way after the ban robberies went up.


Of course they did.  The victims were then disarmed by law and everyone knew it.
2013-12-15 07:21:57 AM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: I'm kind of wondering about this "Japanese sniper rifle" thing. As far as I know; Japan really didn't have snipers; sure, they marksmen, but, snipers? They would have regarded sniping less than favorably. Especially with the huge revival of the bushido code preceding WW2. I'm betting it was a sporterized arisaka, with a modern scope, that was never a sniper rifle.


It wasn't areal "revival" it was marketing to get young and ignorant pumped up to die for their country, and they attached it to bushido.

They would have absolutely no farking problem with snipers.
2013-12-15 03:16:18 AM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.


Aw, be a sport. How else will people fund the never ending militarization of our police if they aren't perpetually terrified?
2013-12-15 03:07:48 AM  
1 votes:

butt_made_baby: Dimensio: butt_made_baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA

 Gun control does work.    In this country people were heavily against any reforms on guns at all.     It is illegal to own a semi automatic rifle.   It is illegal to own any rifle or shotgun with high capacity magazines.  People got over it.  Besides the resounding reasoning of MURICA why do you need a large caliber semi automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine?

Please define "large caliber" and "high capacity magazine".


Over 6.5mm and over ten rounds.      http://parliamentflagpost.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/australian-gun-laws . html


you realize that .308 Winchester (7.62 mm) is one of the most popular hunting and sporting rounds in use? In fact you're asking to ban the entire .30 cal family - 300 Savage, 308 Winchester, 300 WM, 300 WSM, 30-06... in addition the third most popular hunting and sporting caliber, the 7-08, 7mm Magnum and the .270 Winchester? Do you intend for hunters to induce suffering on animals by requiring them to use calibers that are insufficient to quickly and humanely take game?

To what rationale is your limitation on 10 rounds for capacity?
2013-12-15 03:02:48 AM  
1 votes:

butt_made_baby: Dimensio: butt_made_baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA

 Gun control does work.    In this country people were heavily against any reforms on guns at all.     It is illegal to own a semi automatic rifle.   It is illegal to own any rifle or shotgun with high capacity magazines.  People got over it.  Besides the resounding reasoning of MURICA why do you need a large caliber semi automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine?

Please define "large caliber" and "high capacity magazine".


Over 6.5mm and over ten rounds.      http://parliamentflagpost.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/australian-gun-laws . html


Then you advocate banning many popular hunting rifle calibers, despite rifles as a whole being less commonly utilized to commit murder than unarmed attacks. Please explain the rational and logical basis for establishing a ten-round magazine to be "standard" and an eleven-round magazine to be "high-capacity".
2013-12-15 03:02:43 AM  
1 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: If the aforementioned Japanese sniper rifle were made before the war or at it's outset, chances are it would be a very well-made weapon, albeit a truly unspectacular one. By what accounts I've read, the Japanese, unlike the Germans, placed very little value on infantry weapons. Now if the sniper rifle were one of those made toward or at the end of the war, firing it would literally be taking your life into your hands, as it would more than likely to blow up in your face. (I watched a documentary with a little Brit expert named Mike Loades, and he said he wouldn't fire a Japanese rifle made at the end of the war because it was too fragile and poorly made.)

My two cents. I'm not a weapons expert, as I said, but I am an avid history buff. I'd be more interested in the Japanese sniper rifle as a piece of history than I would as a weapon.


Same problem that the Germans had towards the end of the war, they were in a rush to get the weapons out the door and into the field that they took a lot of shortcuts. I'll admit that the Germans on their worst day in QA were probably still superior to what the Japanese were churning out, but as a historical piece... absolutely. Especially if the chrysanthemum cartouche is still intact.
2013-12-15 03:00:35 AM  
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butt_made_baby: *link to a Daily Show segment*

You expect people to take you seriously?
2013-12-15 02:56:13 AM  
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butt_made_baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA

 Gun control does work.    In this country people were heavily against any reforms on guns at all.     It is illegal to own a semi automatic rifle.   It is illegal to own any rifle or shotgun with high capacity magazines.  People got over it.  Besides the resounding reasoning of MURICA why do you need a large caliber semi automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine?


Please define "large caliber" and "high capacity magazine".
2013-12-15 02:51:48 AM  
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howdoibegin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

Cool. What's the number when used in murder sprees that kill over 5 people? We're not saying we're gunna stop crime, but isn't it nice not to have mass murder?


Very few, actually. Consider firstly that "mass shootings' (4+ murders via gun by one person at one place at one time) take less that 200 hundred lives a year. Consider secondly that even the most deadly of shooting sprees (Lubys and Virgina Tech) the weapon of choice were handguns. In short, semiautomatic rifles aren't the problem and its pretty wasteful to go after them.

Mass murderers are the problem, and without guns they'll use arson (47 lives), arson again (198 lives), car bombs, crashes, whatever.
2013-12-15 02:51:15 AM  
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Chicago's had those programs for years, never worked. Always wondered if a few crackheads ever traded in some stolen guns for some cash, pretty sure that one's happened.

Not quite sure if they had a ban on illegal guns, but they did have a supposed 'no questions asked' thing.
2013-12-15 02:50:13 AM  
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howdoibegin: Cool. What's the number when used in murder sprees that kill over 5 people? We're not saying we're gunna stop crime, but isn't it nice not to have mass murder?


The largest mass killing in a school in the United States was in Bath Township, Michigan, in 1927, and involved explosives (wiki).
2013-12-15 02:47:24 AM  
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howdoibegin: Why are gun buyback programs dumb again?


Why is prayer dumb?
2013-12-15 02:45:47 AM  
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Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.


This has to be a troll. People don't actually believe that, do they? 'As powerful as a sniper rifle'? 'Military assault calibers'? Seriously?

You need to put down that Time magazine and do some research. If you want to be afraid of being shot with something, be afraid of having a leg blown off with some old geezer's elk rifle. If I have to get shot with ANY kind of rifle, I'm hoping it will be an 'assault' rifle with military rounds. A gut shot from a soft nose .300 Weatherby will spray organ chunks for 30 feet.
2013-12-15 02:45:19 AM  
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howdoibegin: Why are gun buyback programs dumb again?


Some people in this thread touched on the reason why, but it essentially boils down to this: Politicians use tax money for a publicity campaign that does absolutely nothing to combat gun violence/get guns out of dangerous hands.
2013-12-15 02:39:20 AM  
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So some dumbass took a rifle worth $200 - $500, hacked it up making a "deer rifle" worth maybe $125  and then was paid $50 for it?
And this is news somewhere?
/and if was an actual WWII "sniper rifle", someone may want to tell him he robbed himself for over $1k

Then there were the recently stolen from "friends or family" guns. It would be more effective if they just did a "Heroin for Guns" program.

//stupid humans
2013-12-15 02:38:46 AM  
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"Dumb: Gun buyback programs."

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2013-12-15 02:35:36 AM  
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When they did this in Australia they would buy everything. Working or not. Legal or not, No questions asked.  The buyback here just happened to coincide with a great increase in penalty for having an illegal weapon.  Gun crime almost vanished overnight.
2013-12-15 02:35:33 AM  
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IlGreven: sendtodave: Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.

Well, the citizen that traded it in for a fifty buck gift certificate obviously didn't need it.

I'd guess all the citizens that didn't trade their sniper rifles in did still need them.

For what?

No, really; I want to know what a sniper rifle could be used for that another firearm could not be.


I've used my nagant to hunt deer on many occasions. One of the most famous shots in WW2 was taken by a Russian sniper and a nagant. The deer don't stand a chance when you shoot them in the head.

/ they don't run far either
2013-12-15 02:32:09 AM  
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These gun buy backs are just all sorts of stupid.

WW2 Japanese Sniper Rifle? Sell it to some collector for way more than $50. It will sit in a gun safe for the rest of its existence only to be taken out for show and target shooting on rare occasion.

The only gun buybacks that seem to work are the ones where the gun geeks show up and offer wholesale prices or at least far better than the cops.
2013-12-15 02:23:47 AM  
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sendtodave: Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.

Well, the citizen that traded it in for a fifty buck gift certificate obviously didn't need it.

I'd guess all the citizens that didn't trade their sniper rifles in did still need them.


For what?

No, really; I want to know what a sniper rifle could be used for that another firearm could not be.
2013-12-15 02:22:57 AM  
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jayphat:
So, I guess we shouldn't be using .223 rounds to kill gophers eh?

I can get .223 locally for 50 cents a round, can't find .22 anywhere for less than $1.00 a round.  You do the math.
2013-12-15 02:22:52 AM  
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Frank N Stein: What really boggles my mind is that there's still people out there who don't realize how farking retardedly inefficient gun buyback programes are


I think most people and politicians realize how ineffective they are but they get a good pile of revolvers on a table and like to do a "tough on crime" photo op.
2013-12-15 02:21:46 AM  
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iheartscotch: I'm kind of wondering about this "Japanese sniper rifle" thing. As far as I know; Japan really didn't have snipers; sure, they marksmen, but, snipers? They would have regarded sniping less than favorably. Especially with the huge revival of the bushido code preceding WW2. I'm betting it was a sporterized arisaka, with a modern scope, that was never a sniper rifle.


Yeah, the Japanese had sniper rifles,  iheartscotch, as variants of the Ariska Type 99 (MilitaryFactory.com).  There might have been a "revival of the bushido code", but the Japanese Imperial Army sure as hell weren't constrained by some ancient sense of honorable war, they fought to win and used dirty tricks when they had to.
2013-12-15 02:10:10 AM  
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why is there no hue and cry that all these people are exploiting the 'gun show loophole'? How dare they sell guns without background checks!
2013-12-15 02:09:43 AM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.


Well, the citizen that traded it in for a fifty buck gift certificate obviously didn't need it.

I'd guess all the citizens that didn't trade their sniper rifles in did still need them.
2013-12-15 02:04:10 AM  
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What really boggles my mind is that there's still people out there who don't realize how farking retardedly inefficient gun buyback programes are
2013-12-15 02:03:57 AM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.


Not sure if trolling...
2013-12-15 02:02:56 AM  
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jayphat: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

I caught that bit too. The only "assault weapons" becoming popular are the ones being brought in illegally from Mexico and those biatches are full on military assault rifles.


You mean the ones that were sent to Mexico from the US?
2013-12-15 02:00:53 AM  
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What I don't understand is why Baton Rouge  sold these guns to citizens if they were just going to buy them back later.  :-\
TSD [TotalFark]
2013-12-14 11:33:30 PM  
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There's no headlines if illegal weapons are gone.
2013-12-14 11:29:09 PM  
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ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.
 
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