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2013-12-15 09:55:31 AM  

Even With A Chainsaw: Ivan the Tolerable: butt_made_baby: Besides the resounding reasoning of MURICA why do you need a large caliber semi automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine?

I own an assault weapon because if I ever have to use it will be against people. As both it, and the Second Amendment, were designed for.
The Second Amendment was not simply placed there for 'hunting' or 'sporting purposes', or even state militias, no matter how some idiots try to spin it.

So basically, you are waiting for the day when you will have to use your weapons to fire on American soldiers and citizens.

Alrighty then.


Sometimes people need to be shot, whether they be bands of rampaging criminals or an invading foreign army.
 
2013-12-15 09:59:25 AM  

liam76: enry: So in other words, you're not interpreting what's there,

No.

I am saying your complaint about the stat being "armed robbery" vs "gun robbery" is farking stupid.

Get it?


Hey now, maybe he believes that getting robbed or murdered by a guy with a knife is somehow better. Like you might be dead, but you can be all smug because you're not going to Super-Hell, which is where guns send their victims.

Notice also he dismisses the fact that biker gangs and other criminals are getting full-auto MAC-10 clones and pistols to use in their crimes. Some gun control.
 
2013-12-15 10:13:18 AM  

SCUBA_Archer: jayphat:
So, I guess we shouldn't be using .223 rounds to kill gophers eh?

I can get .223 locally for 50 cents a round, can't find .22 anywhere for less than $1.00 a round.  You do the math.


The world has gone topsy turvy man!
 
2013-12-15 10:22:02 AM  

iheartscotch: IlGreven: sendtodave: Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.

Well, the citizen that traded it in for a fifty buck gift certificate obviously didn't need it.

I'd guess all the citizens that didn't trade their sniper rifles in did still need them.

For what?

No, really; I want to know what a sniper rifle could be used for that another firearm could not be.

I've used my nagant to hunt deer on many occasions. One of the most famous shots in WW2 was taken by a Russian sniper and a nagant. The deer don't stand a chance when you shoot them in the head.

/ they don't run far either


IIRC, he got his skills hunting 

howdoibegin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

Cool. What's the number when used in murder sprees that kill over 5 people? We're not saying we're gunna stop crime, but isn't it nice not to have mass murder?


Care to explain how gun buy back programs that aren't getting in "assault weapons" turned in are stopping mass murder.

I paid $150 to a friend for her shotgun that has a larger capacity than 5 rounds. Assault weapon? No. I paid her that money and then loaned it back to her indefinitely. She's so poor she was going to turn it in at a gun buyback and then not have anything to defend her house with.

CSB?
 
2013-12-15 11:29:42 AM  
Throwing out a question here.

I hear stories about those guns that might have killed someone with a previous owner and get traded down.  Probably something like a .38 auto, 9mm or .38 revolver.

Do police do a ballistic test on those before they get destroyed?  It would be interesting to see if police do that like the NSA does data-mining.
 
2013-12-15 11:45:21 AM  

Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.


You have no idea what you are talking about, but keep voting democrat.
 
2013-12-15 11:47:19 AM  

Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.


Do people not look at the name of a poster when they reply or something?  This is incredible.   I never imagined you'd get so many bites when it's obvious that YOU'RE the one who said that.
 
2013-12-15 11:51:29 AM  

Even With A Chainsaw: I own an assault weapon because if I ever have to use it will be against people. As both it, and the Second Amendment, were designed for.
The Second Amendment was not simply placed there for 'hunting' or 'sporting purposes', or even state militias, no matter how some idiots try to spin it.

So basically, you are waiting for the day when you will have to use your weapons to fire on American soldiers and citizens.

Alrighty then.


Do you buy car insurance, waiting for the day you will have to use it?

How about GFCI outlets?

Smoke detectors?
 
2013-12-15 11:51:32 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Throwing out a question here.

I hear stories about those guns that might have killed someone with a previous owner and get traded down.  Probably something like a .38 auto, 9mm or .38 revolver.

Do police do a ballistic test on those before they get destroyed?  It would be interesting to see if police do that like the NSA does data-mining.


They do, but since these are no-questions-asked buybacks they don't have a name to put to the gun even if it comes up dirty, something unlikely enough under the best of circumstances (CSI notwithstanding, ballistic fingerprinting isn't even remotely effective).
 
2013-12-15 11:58:32 AM  
twiztedjustin
Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle
So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.
No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.
Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.
You have no idea what you are talking about, but keep voting democrat.


I don't have a phd in military history, but saying a high powered rifle sniper rifle could be accurate. The idea of making loads designed to kill people didn't start well until after WWII. During wwii, generally the loads used were more the the .30-06. I think it is a higher powered round used for hunting. That is the brass the Japanese rifle uses for those that make their rounds at home. It seems accurate for a reporter.
 
2013-12-15 12:02:15 PM  

Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.


Yeah but was the chrysanthemum filed off or was it left intact.

Could be a couple hundred in value difference.
 
2013-12-15 12:12:20 PM  

liam76: liam76: GodComplex: Course you could ban scary black semi auto rifles and reduce total annual death by <100, you could ban large capacity magazines and save <10 lives maybe, as 99% of murders with firearms involve handguns.

Bans like that are idiotic.

I do support requiring private sellers to follow some sort of process to ensure they are selling to someone who is legal, and that it is tracked.


They're not idiotic, it's the wedge theory. Ya know the route that the nutjobs go to get religion into schools?

Mass murder happens, "you don't need high cap mags!" Mags get banned

Mass murder happens, "You don't need guns with magazines!" Mags get banned +1

Mass murder happens "You don't need semi-autos!" Semis get banned

Ad infnitum.

And the private sale background check thing is a joke. Do you really think someone who purchased a gun from an FFL is going to sell to some gangbanger on the street corner? Of course not. You'd sooner see someone sell to some middle easterner with a Taliban Johnny beard. No, the gangbanger is going to find someone he knows to either make a straw purchase or buy something hot off the street. We ain't exactly the most tolerant culture.
 
2013-12-15 12:14:44 PM  

Enemabag Jones: twiztedjustin
Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle
So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.
No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.
Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.
You have no idea what you are talking about, but keep voting democrat.

I don't have a phd in military history, but saying a high powered rifle sniper rifle could be accurate. The idea of making loads designed to kill people didn't start well until after WWII. During wwii, generally the loads used were more the the .30-06. I think it is a higher powered round used for hunting. That is the brass the Japanese rifle uses for those that make their rounds at home. It seems accurate for a reporter.


oh dear...
 
2013-12-15 12:15:54 PM  
Adolf Oliver Nipples
Enemabag Jones: Throwing out a question here.
I hear stories about those guns that might have killed someone with a previous owner and get traded down. Probably something like a .38 auto, 9mm or .38 revolver.
Do police do a ballistic test on those before they get destroyed? It would be interesting to see if police do that like the NSA does data-mining.
They do, but since these are no-questions-asked buybacks they don't have a name to put to the gun even if it comes up dirty, something unlikely enough under the best of circumstances (CSI notwithstanding, ballistic fingerprinting isn't even remotely effective).


Never heard that about ballistic fingerprinting, interesting.

But what if the number of the gift card number was recorded, as they are sometimes used. Now I have to put my lead-foil hat back on.
 
2013-12-15 12:18:35 PM  

feckingmorons: I'll give anybody fifty bucks for a gun they own and don't want as long as it is not stolen or has a body on it.


That's the huge problem with gun buy backs. My cop buddy says that known gang members frequent them to get rid of guns used in crimes. Its a horrible execution of an ok idea.
 
2013-12-15 12:22:28 PM  

stewbert: feckingmorons: I'll give anybody fifty bucks for a gun they own and don't want as long as it is not stolen or has a body on it.

That's the huge problem with gun buy backs. My cop buddy says that known gang members frequent them to get rid of guns used in crimes. Its a horrible execution of an ok idea.



There have been stories where these guns don't even get disposed of...the department sells them to someone who then sells them to people where they might or might not end up in the wrong hands all over again.
 
2013-12-15 12:31:43 PM  

CthulhuCalling: jayphat: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

I caught that bit too. The only "assault weapons" becoming popular are the ones being brought in illegally from Mexico and those biatches are full on military assault rifles.

You mean the ones that were sent to Mexico from the US?


Yeah the ones the State Department sells to the Mexican government.

http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/761727_re-ct-us-mexico-ct-u-s-gove rn ment-may-be-primary-suppliers.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/legal-us-gun-sales-to-mexico-arming-cart el s/
 
2013-12-15 12:35:37 PM  

Giltric: stewbert: feckingmorons: I'll give anybody fifty bucks for a gun they own and don't want as long as it is not stolen or has a body on it.

That's the huge problem with gun buy backs. My cop buddy says that known gang members frequent them to get rid of guns used in crimes. Its a horrible execution of an ok idea.


There have been stories where these guns don't even get disposed of...the department sells them to someone who then sells them to people where they might or might not end up in the wrong hands all over again.


Up here in the NW it's illegal for cops to destroy anything that falls under curio & relic, which currently includes anything made prior to 1963. Other states actually forbid police from destroying them and require they get sold to a FFL. Which should make everyone happy cause background checks prevent crime, right?

Course the bigger problem is that they the anti-gun crowd can't advertise buybacks, cause people show up with cash and offer better deals.
 
2013-12-15 12:36:26 PM  

butt_made_baby: Dimensio: butt_made_baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA

 Gun control does work.    In this country people were heavily against any reforms on guns at all.     It is illegal to own a semi automatic rifle.   It is illegal to own any rifle or shotgun with high capacity magazines.  People got over it.  Besides the resounding reasoning of MURICA why do you need a large caliber semi automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine?

Please define "large caliber" and "high capacity magazine".


Over 6.5mm and over ten rounds.      http://parliamentflagpost.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/australian-gun-laws . html


So, I can still have this one?http://www.shopalexanderarms.com/Rifles-6.5_Grendel_-_M4_Tactical _Seri es_-_Complete_Rifle.html
 
2013-12-15 12:36:48 PM  

GodComplex: And the private sale background check thing is a joke. Do you really think someone who purchased a gun from an FFL is going to sell to some gangbanger on the street corner? Of course not. You'd sooner see someone sell to some middle easterner with a Taliban Johnny beard. No, the gangbanger is going to find someone he knows to either make a straw purchase or buy something hot off the street. We ain't exactly the most tolerant culture


No, they may sell to someone they don't know too well though.

Also it would provide more tools to go after the straw purchaser.

And how do you think guns get to the "hot off the street" point? They start off from a FFL.
 
2013-12-15 12:37:37 PM  

GodComplex: Giltric: stewbert: feckingmorons: I'll give anybody fifty bucks for a gun they own and don't want as long as it is not stolen or has a body on it.

That's the huge problem with gun buy backs. My cop buddy says that known gang members frequent them to get rid of guns used in crimes. Its a horrible execution of an ok idea.


There have been stories where these guns don't even get disposed of...the department sells them to someone who then sells them to people where they might or might not end up in the wrong hands all over again.

Up here in the NW it's illegal for cops to destroy anything that falls under curio & relic, which currently includes anything made prior to 1963. Other states actually forbid police from destroying them and require they get sold to a FFL. Which should make everyone happy cause background checks prevent crime, right?

Course the bigger problem is that they the anti-gun crowd can't advertise buybacks, cause people show up with cash and offer better deals.


Free market wins again.
 
2013-12-15 12:40:41 PM  

CthulhuCalling: She has a Remington 700 chambered in 7mm


I bought a 700 and a box of 7mmM 20 years ago.

20 shots, 8 moose, 12 elk.

Time for another box.
 
2013-12-15 12:46:31 PM  
You gun fetishists who are always complaining that people see your fetish as a fetish?

Yeah, Subby REALLY isn't helping your cause here.
 
2013-12-15 12:52:11 PM  

liam76: GodComplex: And the private sale background check thing is a joke. Do you really think someone who purchased a gun from an FFL is going to sell to some gangbanger on the street corner? Of course not. You'd sooner see someone sell to some middle easterner with a Taliban Johnny beard. No, the gangbanger is going to find someone he knows to either make a straw purchase or buy something hot off the street. We ain't exactly the most tolerant culture

No, they may sell to someone they don't know too well though.

Also it would provide more tools to go after the straw purchaser.

And how do you think guns get to the "hot off the street" point? They start off from a FFL.


You kill someone and the DA will throw a slew of charges at you....you give up info and the DA will reduce the charges and you plea down.

The perp almost always gives up the person who supplied the gun, but usually the supplier is another criminal, and the gun was stolen.

If you think gun nuts are paranoid about Obama comin to tek er gunz .....why would they not be paranoid about selling guns to people. Wouldn't every potential purchaser be an undercover ATF/LEO agent who wants to bust someone for dealing without a license?
 
2013-12-15 12:52:47 PM  
TFA says nothing about refusing to take illegal guns, just that you don't get the $50 for illegal guns.

Also from TFA: "It's really for the unsecured guns," Moore said. "We're not thinking gangsters will turn in their guns."  And there's even an example in TFA:

 Among those bringing in a gun was Tina Johnson, whose mother recently died. She said she wasn't comfortable keeping the .38-caliber handgun that had belonged to her mother.
"I always tried to get her to get rid of it, but she wanted it for protection," Johnson said. "She had other guns that were stolen from her in the past."


So, why is this a bad thing again?
 
2013-12-15 12:52:49 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: You gun fetishists who are always complaining that people see your fetish as a fetish?

Yeah, Subby REALLY isn't helping your cause here.


wtfamireading.jpg
 
2013-12-15 12:57:29 PM  

sycraft: howdoibegin: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FTFA: "No assault-style weapons of the type Moore said are becoming the weapon of choice for criminals were turned in."

Bullshiat. The rate of usage for "assault weapons" in crime has held steady at around 2% for the last 30 years. I expect lies, but this one is just preposterous.

Cool. What's the number when used in murder sprees that kill over 5 people? We're not saying we're gunna stop crime, but isn't it nice not to have mass murder?

Turns out that pistols are still the favoured weapons in that case. Also, pump action shotguns have been used as well (the Naval Yard shooting, for example). Rifles/carbines are just not used in crimes that often.


Bingo.   the whole "rise in mass murder and school shootings" is a myth.  Having something scary to blame it on just makes telling the lie easier.  like the knockout game.
 
2013-12-15 01:02:18 PM  
Report guns stolen.
Trade them for cash at "gun buy back".
cops give them back.
profit
 
2013-12-15 01:15:37 PM  

Giltric: The My Little Pony Killer: You gun fetishists who are always complaining that people see your fetish as a fetish?

Yeah, Subby REALLY isn't helping your cause here.

wtfamireading.jpg


Lol..  she's been trying to make "gun fetishist" a thing for months now. Both of the farkers that use it aren't to bright.
 
2013-12-15 01:20:34 PM  

the_cnidarian: Which weapons aren't used for assault?


The vast majority of guns in the U.S.?
 
2013-12-15 01:28:02 PM  

Giltric: The perp almost always gives up the person who supplied the gun, but usually the supplier is another criminal, and the gun was stolen.


Citation needed.

And if most guns being used in crimes have been stolen, why don;t we have constant headlines of the daily stolen guns that must be happening to support it?


Giltric: If you think gun nuts are paranoid about Obama comin to tek er gunz .....why would they not be paranoid about selling guns to people.


Why would they be?

In most states you can sell to anybody and unless they have proof the seller knew the person couldn't own a gun they did nothing wrong.
 
2013-12-15 01:28:46 PM  

Giltric: liam76: GodComplex: And the private sale background check thing is a joke. Do you really think someone who purchased a gun from an FFL is going to sell to some gangbanger on the street corner? Of course not. You'd sooner see someone sell to some middle easterner with a Taliban Johnny beard. No, the gangbanger is going to find someone he knows to either make a straw purchase or buy something hot off the street. We ain't exactly the most tolerant culture

No, they may sell to someone they don't know too well though.

Also it would provide more tools to go after the straw purchaser.

And how do you think guns get to the "hot off the street" point? They start off from a FFL.

You kill someone and the DA will throw a slew of charges at you....you give up info and the DA will reduce the charges and you plea down.

The perp almost always gives up the person who supplied the gun, but usually the supplier is another criminal, and the gun was stolen.

If you think gun nuts are paranoid about Obama comin to tek er gunz .....why would they not be paranoid about selling guns to people. Wouldn't every potential purchaser be an undercover ATF/LEO agent who wants to bust someone for dealing without a license?


Exactly. A while back, some cleric was making noise about how Muslims should be buying guns from gunshows to kill infidels cause there was no background check. And all I could think, was "go ahead, see how that works out for ya.'

And I'm not so sure there is such a thing as dealing without a license. Sure if you make more than $2k annually in profit the state might come down on you for not having a business license, but there is no law saying you can't sell your possessions, first sale clause and all.

Now, manufacturing for sale without a license, that gets you a visit from the party van.
 
2013-12-15 01:32:31 PM  

liam76: Giltric: The perp almost always gives up the person who supplied the gun, but usually the supplier is another criminal, and the gun was stolen.

Citation needed.

And if most guns being used in crimes have been stolen, why don;t we have constant headlines of the daily stolen guns that must be happening to support it?


Why would petty theft be in the news? No one cares that guns are stolen. Do you hear about every car that's stolen?
 
2013-12-15 01:35:36 PM  
GodComplex:
And I'm not so sure there is such a thing as dealing without a license. Sure if you make more than $2k annually in profit the state might come down on you for not having a business license, but there is no law saying you can't sell your possessions, first sale clause and all.

The ATF doesn't publish hard lines for determining when you cross the line from private seller to firearms dealer, but you can usually thumb-rule it. If you're buying guns in bulk to sell in bulk, you're probably a dealer. If you're not licensed as a dealer, the hammer comes down.
 
2013-12-15 01:39:51 PM  

BayouOtter: GodComplex:
And I'm not so sure there is such a thing as dealing without a license. Sure if you make more than $2k annually in profit the state might come down on you for not having a business license, but there is no law saying you can't sell your possessions, first sale clause and all.

The ATF doesn't publish hard lines for determining when you cross the line from private seller to firearms dealer, but you can usually thumb-rule it. If you're buying guns in bulk to sell in bulk, you're probably a dealer. If you're not licensed as a dealer, the hammer comes down.


Good to know, I've had the FFL paperwork in my filing cabinet for years, but I just can't bring myself to deal with the ATF and their vagueness.
 
2013-12-15 01:44:33 PM  

NEDM: Dimensio: Frank N Stein: ftfa: A high-powered Japanese sniper rifle

So a sporterized arisaka? The horror.

No private citizen has need to own a rifle as powerful as a sniper rifle.

Additionally, no private citizen has need to own a rifle chambered in calibers identical or similar to military assault rifles.

Do people not look at the name of a poster when they reply or something?  This is incredible.   I never imagined you'd get so many bites when it's obvious that YOU'RE the one who said that.


I am not actually attempting to "troll". I am attempting to issue statements so outlandish that the intent of sarcasm is obvious to any reader.
 
2013-12-15 01:48:49 PM  

Dimensio: I am not actually attempting to "troll". I am attempting to issue statements so outlandish that the intent of sarcasm is obvious to any reader.


You got a huge number of angry responses for having deployed simple sarcasm. It's almost like the emotions involved in this issue cloud the judgment of people on both sides.
 
2013-12-15 01:52:32 PM  

BigNumber12: Dimensio: I am not actually attempting to "troll". I am attempting to issue statements so outlandish that the intent of sarcasm is obvious to any reader.

You got a huge number of angry responses for having deployed simple sarcasm. It's almost like the emotions involved in this issue cloud the judgment of people on both sides.


I'd argue Poe's law, but that sarcasm is an actual argument from I've heard from people who don't grasp what a hunting rifle is.
 
2013-12-15 02:13:48 PM  

liam76: Giltric: The perp almost always gives up the person who supplied the gun, but usually the supplier is another criminal, and the gun was stolen.

Citation needed.

And if most guns being used in crimes have been stolen, why don;t we have constant headlines of the daily stolen guns that must be happening to support it?


Giltric: If you think gun nuts are paranoid about Obama comin to tek er gunz .....why would they not be paranoid about selling guns to people.

Why would they be?

In most states you can sell to anybody and unless they have proof the seller knew the person couldn't own a gun they did nothing wrong.



http://extranosalley.com/?p=36406

~~84 percent of those guns were stolen in a burglary; including 4 percent stolen from a relative or a friend.
6 percent of those guns were confiscated and resold by a "law enforcement officer."
2 percent of those guns were stolen from the police or the military.
2 percent of those guns were stolen from a parcel or delivery service.
That leaves just six percent of guns recovered from arrestees that could properly be considered possible "crime guns" that could also have been legally purchased.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

This link is an interesting one and an example of how statistics are kept vague to be used to push an agenda.

They count a criminal paying money for a gun as proof that most guns are bought to be used for a crime...but ignore if that gun was first stolen before being sold to that criminal.

They have to go back to a 1994 study in order to claim most guns used in crime are acquired through straw purchases....but in 1994 the mandate for background checks was a year or two old....they also use that study to claim that a majority of guns are acquired without background checks...because unless you bought a gun from 1993 on you never went through a background check. Plus if you conduct a survey and 4 people have purchased a gun since 1994 and 400 people had purchased a gun prior to 1994 only 4 people were ever exposed to a mandatory background check. You could safely say that a majority of guns were bought without a background check.

http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

~According to the 1991 Survey of
State Prison Inmates, among those
inmates who possessed a handgun,
9% had acquired it through theft, and
28% had acquired it through an illegal
market such as a drug dealer or fence.
Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least
one gun, and 11% had sold or traded
stolen guns.


Weird stats huh?


You ever wonder how the ATF is able to track all these guns without a national registry of firearms?

You ever wonder why the gun control crowd insists that crimes can not be solved without one?

Someone is telling half truths...I bet it is not the ones defending their rights.
 
2013-12-15 02:19:17 PM  

GodComplex: Why would petty theft be in the news? No one cares that guns are stolen. Do you hear about every car that's stolen?


Are cars often used to murder people?

GodComplex: there is no law saying you can't sell your possessions, first sale clause and all


In some states there are restrictions where you have to go through a FFL. I have a problem with that, in that it is a pain in the ass and can easily be circumvented by going to another state under the table.

I support the right to sell what you own, but guns are dangerous tools. I have no problem with common sense restrictions, and the only way to ensure people follow them is to track sales. It should be done at the federal level, or at least with standard requirements across the US, and free to sellers.
 
2013-12-15 02:26:14 PM  

BigNumber12: Dimensio: I am not actually attempting to "troll". I am attempting to issue statements so outlandish that the intent of sarcasm is obvious to any reader.

You got a huge number of angry responses for having deployed simple sarcasm. It's almost like the emotions involved in this issue cloud the judgment of people on both sides.


For fair consideration: I have read serious proposals to
* Ban all firearms
* Ban all semi-automatic firearms
* Ban all ammunition calibers capable of penetrating police body armour
* Ban silencers
* Mandate "insurance" for all firearm owners.
* Limit ammunition possession to no more than one-hundred, fifty, or even ten rounds at a time
* Ban ammunition reloading
* Assign liability, typically civil but sometimes criminal, when a firearm is criminally misused to not only the owner of the firearm but even the original seller of the firearm and to the manufacturer of the firearm.

I have also read civilian disarmament advocates seriously claim that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution in some way imposes a prohibition upon firearm ownership by any individual who is not a member of a militia.

As such, I can understand why my postings may incorrectly be assumed to be sincere; numerous civilian disarmament advocates have already demonstrated themselves to be extremely unintelligent and irrational.
 
2013-12-15 02:28:29 PM  

Dimensio: BigNumber12: Dimensio: I am not actually attempting to "troll". I am attempting to issue statements so outlandish that the intent of sarcasm is obvious to any reader.

You got a huge number of angry responses for having deployed simple sarcasm. It's almost like the emotions involved in this issue cloud the judgment of people on both sides.

For fair consideration: I have read serious proposals to
* Ban all firearms
* Ban all semi-automatic firearms
* Ban all ammunition calibers capable of penetrating police body armour
* Ban silencers
* Mandate "insurance" for all firearm owners.
* Limit ammunition possession to no more than one-hundred, fifty, or even ten rounds at a time
* Ban ammunition reloading
* Assign liability, typically civil but sometimes criminal, when a firearm is criminally misused to not only the owner of the firearm but even the original seller of the firearm and to the manufacturer of the firearm.

I have also read civilian disarmament advocates seriously claim that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution in some way imposes a prohibition upon firearm ownership by any individual who is not a member of a militia.

As such, I can understand why my postings may incorrectly be assumed to be sincere; numerous civilian disarmament advocates have already demonstrated themselves to be extremely unintelligent and irrational.


You could make a mint and retire early if you started selling people tickets to see the Egress.

I might even buy one.
 
2013-12-15 02:31:25 PM  

liam76: GodComplex: Why would petty theft be in the news? No one cares that guns are stolen. Do you hear about every car that's stolen?

Are cars often used to murder people?


I guess you've never heard of vehicular manslaughter? Even with Affluenza Boy in the headlines?
 
2013-12-15 02:34:02 PM  

Giltric: http://extranosalley.com/?p=36406


What study did they get that from?


Giltric: They count a criminal paying money for a gun as proof that most guns are bought to be used for a crime...but ignore if that gun was first stolen before being sold to that criminal.


Lest say you are right.
A law that makes it a crime to sell a gun withotu going through some type of check is still a good thing, as you will have more laws to go after peopel selling guns to criminals for.


Giltric: You ever wonder how the ATF is able to track all these guns without a national registry of firearms?


Define track. They know where guns are coming from since manufacture after 94. In some states they know if they have changed hands. From that they can extrapolate things.


Giltric: Someone is telling half truths...I bet it is not the ones defending their rights


If you don't think the NRA lies, you haven't been paying attention.

/anti gun nuts do to
 
2013-12-15 02:34:17 PM  

liam76: GodComplex: Why would petty theft be in the news? No one cares that guns are stolen. Do you hear about every car that's stolen?

Are cars often used to murder people?


Or maybe you wanted examples of premeditated murder by vehicle?
 
2013-12-15 02:36:02 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: liam76: GodComplex: Why would petty theft be in the news? No one cares that guns are stolen. Do you hear about every car that's stolen?

Are cars often used to murder people?

I guess you've never heard of vehicular manslaughter? Even with Affluenza Boy in the headlines?


You are smarter than that...
 
2013-12-15 02:48:39 PM  

Dimensio: BigNumber12: Dimensio: I am not actually attempting to "troll". I am attempting to issue statements so outlandish that the intent of sarcasm is obvious to any reader.

You got a huge number of angry responses for having deployed simple sarcasm. It's almost like the emotions involved in this issue cloud the judgment of people on both sides.

For fair consideration: I have read serious proposals to
* Ban all firearms
* Ban all semi-automatic firearms
* Ban all ammunition calibers capable of penetrating police body armour
* Ban silencers
* Mandate "insurance" for all firearm owners.
* Limit ammunition possession to no more than one-hundred, fifty, or even ten rounds at a time
* Ban ammunition reloading
* Assign liability, typically civil but sometimes criminal, when a firearm is criminally misused to not only the owner of the firearm but even the original seller of the firearm and to the manufacturer of the firearm.

I have also read civilian disarmament advocates seriously claim that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution in some way imposes a prohibition upon firearm ownership by any individual who is not a member of a militia.

As such, I can understand why my postings may incorrectly be assumed to be sincere; numerous civilian disarmament advocates have already demonstrated themselves to be extremely unintelligent and irrational.



I know. I've read those things too, on this site, ad nauseum. But yours was pretty damned transparent :-)

Interesting: Upon reading up, I had thought that suppressors were less legal than they actually are.
 
2013-12-15 02:51:51 PM  

liam76: GodComplex: Why would petty theft be in the news? No one cares that guns are stolen. Do you hear about every car that's stolen?

Are cars often used to murder people?

GodComplex: there is no law saying you can't sell your possessions, first sale clause and all

In some states there are restrictions where you have to go through a FFL. I have a problem with that, in that it is a pain in the ass and can easily be circumvented by going to another state under the table.

I support the right to sell what you own, but guns are dangerous tools. I have no problem with common sense restrictions, and the only way to ensure people follow them is to track sales. It should be done at the federal level, or at least with standard requirements across the US, and free to sellers.


And this is why you will not get background checks, this is why people fight so hard against them.

You're trying to create a list of who has guns.  This is not acceptable.

It's not the background check that bothers people.  The vast majority people selling a gun privately would be happy to verify that the person they're selling to is not a criminal.  But unless you can guarantee that said background check will absolutely not be used to track anything, it's not acceptable.
 
2013-12-15 02:52:25 PM  

BigNumber12: Interesting: Upon reading up, I had thought that suppressors were less legal than they actually are.


I purchased a suppressor in early February.

I was able to legally take possession of it on Thursday.
 
2013-12-15 02:53:08 PM  
If you're a concerned citizen that wants to make sure Grandpa's evil  Mauser or Colt Single Action Army gets off the streets and becomes rebar for the next generation of buildings, will a $50 gift card affect that decision at all?  Most police stations will accept legally surrendered guns for disposal any day of the week.
 
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