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(BBC)   British MP to newspaper that branded her "the laziest lawmaker" based on her attendance record in Parliament: I was pregnant and on maternity leave during that time, you lazy, non-fact-checking farks   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 60
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2013-12-14 03:20:53 PM
so she WASNT absent during her maternity leave?
 
2013-12-14 03:58:45 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: so she WASNT absent during her maternity leave?


You know, you could always read the article, where all your questions will be answered
 
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2013-12-14 04:41:48 PM
Excuses, excuses. She should have just dropped that crotch rocket on her way to a Parliamentary vote or two. That law against walking your duck on a leash every other Sunday isn't going to pass itself. It take participation in the process people ... and you have to be there to vote.


Why back in my day we would have to crawl uphill over broken glass BOTH WAYS just to cast out vote ....kids these days .....{mumble} ...{mumble} ....{snore}
 
2013-12-14 05:59:42 PM
I dunno, I've worked with a lot of women who get pregnant about once a year and pretty much don't show up for work at all and God help anyone who says a word about it. But "lawmakers" don't really do anything anyway so who cares.
 
2013-12-14 06:12:04 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: FlyingLizardOfDoom: so she WASNT absent during her maternity leave?

You know, you could always read the article, where all your questions will be answered


TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?
 
2013-12-14 06:14:35 PM
remember remember the birth in september...
 
2013-12-14 06:19:19 PM

Fubini: DammitIForgotMyLogin: FlyingLizardOfDoom: so she WASNT absent during her maternity leave?

You know, you could always read the article, where all your questions will be answered

TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?


TFA also says that she'd made an arrangement with an MP who would have voted the other way that neither of them would vote.

TFA also says that she carried on with her constituency work during the time, so it's not like she wasn't doing anything at all
 
2013-12-14 06:25:53 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: TFA also says that she'd made an arrangement with an MP who would have voted the other way that neither of them would vote.

TFA also says that she carried on with her constituency work during the time, so it's not like she wasn't doing anything at all


Sure, but that's just politicians agreeing to be lazy together.  When push comes to shove, she's not in her seat representing her constituent's interests in the biggest way that counts: creating laws.  The fact that there's another politician from the other party also neglecting their duties doesn't mean she isn't neglecting hers.
 
2013-12-14 06:38:21 PM
The son is there?
 
2013-12-14 06:39:46 PM

Fubini: TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?


She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.
 
2013-12-14 06:47:12 PM

vossiewulf: Fubini: TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?

She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.


i thought she had a silent partner...
 
2013-12-14 06:51:13 PM

vossiewulf: She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.


I get the situation perfectly, but the fact that her vote would have been cancelled out doesn't mean that she's not slacking on her job.  There are lots of jobs in this world where people accomplish very little, but they stop showing up to work and they'd get fired.  Of course, I'm not saying that women shouldn't have maternity leave (and I'm not trying to argue that she's actually lazy, as from TFA), but if she's not voting for whatever reason then she's not doing her job. It's silly to pretend otherwise.
 
2013-12-14 07:08:48 PM
To be fair, The Sun only fact-checks Page 3.
 
2013-12-14 07:14:39 PM

Fubini: I get the situation perfectly, but the fact that her vote would have been cancelled out doesn't mean that she's not slacking on her job.


Dude go RTFA. She WAS doing her job, ALL parts but voting. She just was not going to London to vote.
 
2013-12-14 07:56:48 PM

Fubini: Sure, but that's just politicians agreeing to be lazy together.  When push comes to shove, she's not in her seat representing her constituent's interests in the biggest way that counts: creating laws


Actually with the arrangement that she made, that's exactly what she was doing.
 
2013-12-14 07:57:03 PM
Sorry sugartits but if you run for office, you should probably wait until you're term is over before you start breeding... just sayin
 
2013-12-14 08:00:40 PM
ftfaMs Powell became the first Labour woman to be elected in the city of Manchester, when she
when she won the Manchester by-election... the following month she announced she was pregnant.



So, not exactly lazy, but has a shiatty sense of scheduling and prioritizing her job versus her life, especially in light of the fact, she just got elected.
 
2013-12-14 08:01:06 PM

Mugato: I dunno, I've worked with a lot of women who get pregnant about once a year and pretty much don't show up for work at all and God help anyone who says a word about it. But "lawmakers" don't really do anything anyway so who cares.


Because the children.
 
2013-12-14 08:01:08 PM

Fubini: DammitIForgotMyLogin: TFA also says that she'd made an arrangement with an MP who would have voted the other way that neither of them would vote.

TFA also says that she carried on with her constituency work during the time, so it's not like she wasn't doing anything at all

Sure, but that's just politicians agreeing to be lazy together.  When push comes to shove, she's not in her seat representing her constituent's interests in the biggest way that counts: creating laws.  The fact that there's another politician from the other party also neglecting their duties doesn't mean she isn't neglecting hers.


No -- the only thing she's not doing is actually voting.  But in effect, she's basically voting because someone in the opposition party is sitting out the vote as well.  She's still doing all her other work because voting is the only work that requires her to be in London.  She can do the rest from Manchester.
 
2013-12-14 08:04:44 PM

Fubini: vossiewulf: She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.

I get the situation perfectly, but the fact that her vote would have been cancelled out doesn't mean that she's not slacking on her job.  There are lots of jobs in this world where people accomplish very little, but they stop showing up to work and they'd get fired.  Of course, I'm not saying that women shouldn't have maternity leave (and I'm not trying to argue that she's actually lazy, as from TFA), but if she's not voting for whatever reason then she's not doing her job. It's silly to pretend otherwise.


So, just to be certain -- because she is not physically present to cast her vote, she's "not doing her job" even though it doesn't affect the vote in any way, she's still meeting with her constituents, she's still writing legislation, and handling all other aspects of the job?

Do you always think that people who telecommute or work from home are "not doing her job"?  Because it's kind of the 21st century and that's a thing that a very large number of people do these days.
 
2013-12-14 08:07:25 PM
Shaking my head on all the ignorant fark comments out there.
 
2013-12-14 08:09:45 PM
I fail to see why she could not do her job well into pregnancy. For that matter after the child is born she should still be able to work. It's not like being an MP involves swinging a sledgehamer.

Im sure she is paid well enough to afford nannies or babysitters. If you have a time sensitive job like being an MP,
and you no longer have any time, then perhaps it is time to step down.
 
2013-12-14 08:11:50 PM
Well? How long did she spend on maternity leave? She can still be lazy during the time she wasn't on leave.

I DEMAND A RECOUNT
 
2013-12-14 08:12:09 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sorry sugartits but if you run for office, you should probably wait until you're term is over before you start breeding... just sayin


Hooray misogyny!
 
2013-12-14 08:19:20 PM
The government can figure out all sorts of secure and reliable remote comm for launching planet destroying nuclear arsenals, but they can't figure out a way for legislature members to work and vote remotely?
 
2013-12-14 08:22:39 PM

Fubini: DammitIForgotMyLogin: FlyingLizardOfDoom: so she WASNT absent during her maternity leave?

You know, you could always read the article, where all your questions will be answered

TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?


The UK parliament has a thing called "pairing". It means that a Labour MP and a Conservative MP can agree to mutually not bother to vote and therefore neither gets registered as a vote, rather than both getting a vote (which has the same effect). Saves people wasting their time voting.

When you get major votes, it gets dropped as everyone expects the other side to cheat.

So, no it makes no effect.

Personally, I'd much rather vote for an MP who ain't around. The less the farkers can write new laws, the better.
 
2013-12-14 08:24:15 PM

SirEattonHogg: ftfa:  Ms Powell became the first Labour woman to be elected in the city of Manchester, when she
when she won the Manchester by-election... the following month she announced she was pregnant.


So, not exactly lazy, but has a shiatty sense of scheduling and prioritizing her job versus her life, especially in light of the fact, she just got elected.


somebody celebrated THAT election...
 
2013-12-14 08:30:14 PM
*reads the comments so far*

hmm... this looks like one of those threads where someone says something they think sounds, and for all intents and purposes to the trolling headline and article sounds logical gets correctedm then tries to explain why they said that, and then it all gets comidically worse as the forum readers dog pile on the person that is both doubling down and back tracking at the same time..

looks like fun!

... I'll get some popcorn and go sit in the corner for this one.
 
2013-12-14 08:46:28 PM

vossiewulf: Fubini: TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?

She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.


Nothing against you but that just sounds ridiculous.  If you aren't voting, you aren't involved.  Validating it by saying someone in a completely different jurisdiction is also not voting just smacks of complacency.  It's not fair to your constituents at all.  They voted you in to represent them in the House, go there and do your job.  Last I heard, they have doctors and hospitals and all manner of medical facilities there as well.

I work hard at my job, I'm involved in all aspects of my department's activities.  It wouldn't make me feel any better knowing that someone is not doing a damned thing in order to 'even things out'.  If I asked them why they thought that it would be okay to do that and their answer was 'Bob in accounting isn't going to any meetings or writing any reports or signing any checks or whatever so it's all a wash' yeah, I would be pissed.  In other words, she's dead weight and so is 'Bob in accounting' and we don't need either one of them.
 
2013-12-14 08:47:09 PM

vossiewulf: Fubini: I get the situation perfectly, but the fact that her vote would have been cancelled out doesn't mean that she's not slacking on her job.

Dude go RTFA. She WAS doing her job, ALL parts but voting. She just was not going to London to vote.


Which is just the most important farking thing she was put in there to do.
 
2013-12-14 08:51:03 PM

Gulper Eel: To be fair, The Sun only fact-checks Page 3.


Well, if they don't spell "stunna" correctly their credibility is gone, is it not?
 
2013-12-14 08:51:06 PM

vossiewulf: Fubini: TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?

She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.


Let's be pragmatic: she's elected to do more than just vote. She made a decision to benefit one person (the baby) at the expense of thousands of people. I hope they are all happy and healthy for 100 years, but it was a selfish decision.
 
2013-12-14 08:51:52 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: Sure, but that's just politicians agreeing to be lazy together.  When push comes to shove, she's not in her seat representing her constituent's interests in the biggest way that counts: creating laws

Actually with the arrangement that she made, that's exactly what she was doing.


I suppose a party-line voter is more forgivable in a parliamentary system, but I seem to recall there were a few Congressman who served in WWII who made similar arrangements
 
2013-12-14 08:51:53 PM

Fubini: DammitIForgotMyLogin: TFA also says that she'd made an arrangement with an MP who would have voted the other way that neither of them would vote.

TFA also says that she carried on with her constituency work during the time, so it's not like she wasn't doing anything at all

Sure, but that's just politicians agreeing to be lazy together.  When push comes to shove, she's not in her seat representing her constituent's interests in the biggest way that counts: creating laws.  The fact that there's another politician from the other party also neglecting their duties doesn't mean she isn't neglecting hers.


The real work in Parliament and Congress is done any place not the voting chamber. And if there's anything generally more futile and useless than a single vote in Congress, it's one in Parliament.
 
2013-12-14 08:52:31 PM

Gulper Eel: To be fair, The Sun only fact-checks Page 3.


Fap check.
 
2013-12-14 08:58:00 PM

Ready-set: vossiewulf: Fubini: TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?

She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.

Let's be pragmatic: she's elected to do more than just vote. She made a decision to benefit one person (the baby) at the expense of thousands of people. I hope they are all happy and healthy for 100 years, but it was a selfish decision.


you sound like an iron-pants maggie shill...
 
2013-12-14 09:00:07 PM

vossiewulf: Fubini: TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?

She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.


So, in British politics all votes are straight party line?   Why do they even bother voting at all then?

If the Conservatives have a majority, just let them make all the decisions and write all the legislation.  It the Labour party wins a majority, they get to do the same.  It seems like would save a whole lot of trouble. Then maybe they could convert the Parliament building into luxury condos.
 
2013-12-14 09:05:31 PM
I don't even know why people hire women. They're just going to get knocked up and force the hard-working men to take up the slack.
 
2013-12-14 09:07:09 PM

cynicalminion: Ready-set: vossiewulf: Fubini: TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?

She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.

Let's be pragmatic: she's elected to do more than just vote. She made a decision to benefit one person (the baby) at the expense of thousands of people. I hope they are all happy and healthy for 100 years, but it was a selfish decision.

you sound like an iron-pants maggie shill...


A lot of people think she and Churchill were the two greats. I don't know much about either.

If she's remembered as a pragmatist, then good for her.
 
2013-12-14 09:15:32 PM

Ready-set: cynicalminion: Ready-set: vossiewulf: Fubini: TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?

She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.

Let's be pragmatic: she's elected to do more than just vote. She made a decision to benefit one person (the baby) at the expense of thousands of people. I hope they are all happy and healthy for 100 years, but it was a selfish decision.

you sound like an iron-pants maggie shill...

A lot of people think she and Churchill were the two greats. I don't know much about either.

If she's remembered as a pragmatist, then good for her.


ok on that count, but it's a bit overboard to say a woman should just pop the spawn out and go back to making laws...  i'm sure care for the kid got scheduled, paid, approved, just like anything else she passed...

saying that because she's an axlotl tank she can't be an MP however is a totally different argument.
 
2013-12-14 09:27:43 PM
I love how people think that "voting" is the big duty.

In any voting process, the outcome should be known before the voting takes place. You should build consensus before the vote is allowed to move forward. All the dealmaking and negotiating takes place beforehand, and the vote itself represents the outcome of the negotiation and makes it official. The signature on the page, so to speak.

I've been in many organizations and every one of them ran that way. I know that Congress runs that way. How do you think they can say "Bill X doesn't have the support to pass in the House" or "Bill Y will fail in the Senate"?

Most of the job of the representative is to see that local issues that need to be pushed through the bureaucracy get the assist they need, such as recommendations for appointment or employment, appeals for assistance when they are told "You need Congressional support to access this program" and stuff like that. Doing background research on important issues. Fundraising. Golfing. Shaking babies. Critiquing new interns on their positions.

Actual voting? Purely symbolic. If you are a good representative your constituents don't even need to look at your voting record because they will see you busy in the community rather than dodging them in Washington (or London or wherever).
 
2013-12-14 09:57:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sorry sugartits but if you run for office, you should probably wait until you're term is over before you start breeding... just sayin

Hooray misogyny!


Don't need your support, but thanks
 
2013-12-14 10:04:58 PM
"Stuntaz"?
 
2013-12-14 10:22:05 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sorry sugartits but if you run for office, you should probably wait until you're term is over before you start breeding... just sayin

Hooray misogyny!

Don't need your support, but thanks


underwires work miracles?
 
2013-12-14 10:26:31 PM

cynicalminion: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sorry sugartits but if you run for office, you should probably wait until you're term is over before you start breeding... just sayin

Hooray misogyny!

Don't need your support, but thanks

underwires work miracles?


www.moviequotesandmore.com
 
2013-12-14 10:41:44 PM
Chicks, they want to be treated like men except when they are doing women stuff then they want special treatment.
 
2013-12-14 10:48:05 PM
Democracy takes care of this in its own way. While employers are not free to treat fertile women differently because they "might get pregnant," voters are. If this possibility bothers you so much, don't vote for a woman of child-bearing years. If most people agree with you, such women will not be elected. So be it. If your vote is overridden by the majority, so be it. Accept it and move on.

Her constituents knew that she was of child-bearing age, but the voters bought in and she won her election.  And if the people who elected her have buyers' remorse, they have the option to kick her ass to the curb come re-election time.

(On the other hand, would a male politician also be granted the same latitude and understanding for paternity leave?)
 
2013-12-14 11:26:56 PM

Farty McPooPants: vossiewulf: Fubini: TFA says she didn't vote during that time.  So all those constituents just go unrepresented because she happened to get preggers?

She had been paired with an opposing MP who would have voted opposite to her, who also needed to be away from London. It's a standard practice to deal with situations like this.

Nothing against you but that just sounds ridiculous.  If you aren't voting, you aren't involved.  Validating it by saying someone in a completely different jurisdiction is also not voting just smacks of complacency.  It's not fair to your constituents at all.  They voted you in to represent them in the House, go there and do your job.  Last I heard, they have doctors and hospitals and all manner of medical facilities there as well.

I work hard at my job, I'm involved in all aspects of my department's activities.  It wouldn't make me feel any better knowing that someone is not doing a damned thing in order to 'even things out'.  If I asked them why they thought that it would be okay to do that and their answer was 'Bob in accounting isn't going to any meetings or writing any reports or signing any checks or whatever so it's all a wash' yeah, I would be pissed.  In other words, she's dead weight and so is 'Bob in accounting' and we don't need either one of them.


For most people the main job of a rank and file MP is dealing with local issues in their constituency where they live. "The council won't fix the drains. Can you help?" "Of course, I'll write a letter to the head of the drains department asking them to look into it" and so on. And your comparing this with you and a co-worker both not working is utterly flawed. In your case that is two jobs not being done. With two opposition MPs agreeing to not vote it literally makes no difference. A vote going 220-221 is the same as if it had gone 221-222. There is not any "work" lost.
As others have said most "work" done by Parliament is done in committees, behind the scenes, and voting in the house is almost always a formality.

And, bottom line, women, and men, in the UK have a right to maternity and paternity leave. Whether they work in a factory, office or Parliament.
 
2013-12-14 11:29:08 PM

tomasso: Democracy takes care of this in its own way. While employers are not free to treat fertile women differently because they "might get pregnant," voters are. If this possibility bothers you so much, don't vote for a woman of child-bearing years. If most people agree with you, such women will not be elected. So be it. If your vote is overridden by the majority, so be it. Accept it and move on.

Her constituents knew that she was of child-bearing age, but the voters bought in and she won her election.  And if the people who elected her have buyers' remorse, they have the option to kick her ass to the curb come re-election time.

(On the other hand, would a male politician also be granted the same latitude and understanding for paternity leave?)


Legally yes. It's the law.
 
2013-12-14 11:55:30 PM

SirEattonHogg: ftfa:  Ms Powell became the first Labour woman to be elected in the city of Manchester, when she
when she won the Manchester by-election... the following month she announced she was pregnant.


So, not exactly lazy, but has a shiatty sense of scheduling and prioritizing her job versus her life, especially in light of the fact, she just got elected.


Say what!?  Could she may have had an unplanned pregnancy?  Well, that whore.

Oh wait, even married couples could get pregnant when not planning on it?  I guess that changes everything.

/beware freedom of speech, for it comes with freedom of stupidity along with it.
 
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