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(SacBee)   Federal judge rules that California's 10-day waiting period for people who already own guns is unconstitutional, does not pass "either intermediate or strict scrutiny"   (sacbee.com) divider line 275
    More: Cool, California Attorney General, Kamala Harris, strict scrutiny, California, federal judges, gun rights, named plaintiff, Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals  
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2013-12-14 04:04:44 PM  
Cool

Waiting periods are there to try to harass people into not participating in their second amendment rights.
 
2013-12-14 04:07:30 PM  
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2013-12-14 04:15:34 PM  
I'm about as anti-second amendment as it gets, but this makes sense to me. If the ostensible purpose of a waiting period is to let the buyer cool down before making a rash decision, then it serves zero purpose if the person already has a gun.
 
2013-12-14 04:37:41 PM  
I like it. fark reasonable restrictions when they intentionally interfere with the base purpose of any amendment in the bill of rights.
 
2013-12-14 04:41:02 PM  
SOURCE The Calguns Foundation

• Read more articles by The Calguns Foundation


That's not a SacBee article, it's a paid ad posted on the SacBee site.
 
2013-12-14 04:54:56 PM  

HotWingAgenda: SOURCE The Calguns Foundation

• Read more articles by The Calguns Foundation

That's not a SacBee article, it's a paid ad posted on the SacBee site.


Not a paid ad but a press release from Calguns. See the shaded header.

Well good. Perhaps we'll see more of these cases overturning laws whose sole purpose is to harass the law abiding gun owner and discourage gun ownership while doing nothing whatsoever to deter crime.
 
2013-12-14 04:54:57 PM  
Thanks Obama
 
2013-12-14 05:11:00 PM  
mjcdn.motherjones.com
 
2013-12-14 05:18:58 PM  

cretinbob: [mjcdn.motherjones.com image 300x225]


If they already had guns, how is making them wait 10 days for a new one going to help?
 
2013-12-14 05:57:59 PM  

cretinbob: [mjcdn.motherjones.com image 300x225]


How long of a waiting period do you think would have been necessary to prevent them from carrying out their crimes?
 
2013-12-14 06:14:33 PM  
Wait, a judge made an intelligent ruling? Get OUT!
www.openingceremony.us
 
2013-12-14 06:27:25 PM  
An occasional massacre is a small price to pay for our gun freedoms.
 
2013-12-14 06:36:48 PM  
cretinbob [TotalFark]


mjcdn.motherjones.com

4 liberals. You could add yesterday's democrat to your list.

Next picture?
 
2013-12-14 06:40:13 PM  
180,000 people are going to die tonight. subtracting 11-15 from that figure because it makes us feel safe is statistically irrational.
 
2013-12-14 06:43:00 PM  
i like the 10 day waiting period for new gun owners

i think the 10 day waiting period for existing gun owners is ludicrous

i'm ok with this
 
2013-12-14 06:43:45 PM  

OnlyM3: 4 liberals.


Of course, By your definition, anyone who uses violence to achieve their political ends is already "left-wing."
 
2013-12-14 06:49:54 PM  

bongmiester: i like the 10 day waiting period for new gun owners

i think the 10 day waiting period for existing gun owners is ludicrous

i'm ok with this


People in California have to wait months before they can even be eligible to own guns, the PFEC application takes months to process.  The 10-day waiting period for any gun, even the first, is purely punitive and has no measurable public safety benefit whatsoever.  You also only have permission to buy one handgun in a 30-day period.
 
2013-12-14 07:02:51 PM  

shanrick: An occasional massacre is a small price to pay for our gun freedoms.


Well...yeah. AKA, this.
 
2013-12-14 07:03:54 PM  

DamnYankees: I'm about as anti-second amendment as it gets, but this makes sense to me. If the ostensible purpose of a waiting period is to let the buyer cool down before making a rash decision, then it serves zero purpose if the person already has a gun.


I wouldn't say zero purpose. Someone might own a gun but not have immediate access to it, or they might own a gun that isn't particularly well suited for shooting up their workplace.
 
2013-12-14 07:39:51 PM  
So this means I have to wait 10 days before I pop a cap in someones ass?

/dnrta
 
2013-12-14 07:40:33 PM  
No issues. Carry on.
 
2013-12-14 07:41:51 PM  

martid4: So this means I have to wait 10 days before I pop a cap in someones ass?

/dnrta


Not if you already have a gun.
 
2013-12-14 07:42:05 PM  

DamnYankees: I'm about as anti-second amendment as it gets, but this makes sense to me. If the ostensible purpose of a waiting period is to let the buyer cool down before making a rash decision, then it serves zero purpose if the person already has a gun.


I'd go harder on your views, but right now, I'm having a harder time with what you said as a grammar nazi.  "But"?  That would suggest that your view diverges there, but from what I can tell, it is entirely consistent (if not a bit idiotic).  Why the use of "but", rather than "so" or even "and"?
 
2013-12-14 07:42:18 PM  
ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS WHY I CAN'T CARRY A BAZOOKA ONTO AN AIRLINER AS JESUS SAID I COULD IN THE CONSTITUTION

GUBBMINT OVERREACH

TYRANNY

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
 
2013-12-14 07:42:18 PM  

Krieghund: DamnYankees: I'm about as anti-second amendment as it gets, but this makes sense to me. If the ostensible purpose of a waiting period is to let the buyer cool down before making a rash decision, then it serves zero purpose if the person already has a gun.

I wouldn't say zero purpose. Someone might own a gun but not have immediate access to it, or they might own a gun that isn't particularly well suited for shooting up their workplace.


Last I recall, and it's been years, in California handguns have waiting times, but not shotguns or rifles.  Handguns aren't usually the guns of choice for rampages, rather for armed robbery and gang violence.  Concealing weapons isn't a huge concern for someone trying to kill as many people as possible before dying.
 
2013-12-14 07:42:24 PM  
Wouldn't be Xmas without alcohol and handguns!
 
2013-12-14 07:42:46 PM  
Justice Scalia (R, Reagan) disagrees.
 
2013-12-14 07:48:41 PM  
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2013-12-14 07:51:22 PM  

cretinbob: [mjcdn.motherjones.com image 300x225]


Criminals abide laws.
 
2013-12-14 07:52:11 PM  

shanrick: An occasional massacre is a small price to pay for our gun freedoms.


Yep.
indigomovement.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-14 07:53:52 PM  

OnlyM3: cretinbob [TotalFark]


img.fark.net

4 liberals. You could add yesterday's democrat to your list.

Next picture?



I think the important observations are that they are

1) Male
2) Young

and three out of four

3) Caucasian Persuasion

Makes me and Arsenio go "Hmmnnn..."
 
2013-12-14 07:54:43 PM  
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. and once America has an Army, the second amendment shall be abolished.
 
2013-12-14 07:55:55 PM  
I think California's gun laws are just silly. Most of their gun problems are a result of stolen guns/ straw buys(where a middle man purchases a gun for someone else, which is already illegal).

A lot of people seem to think that the problem has something to do with more gun friendly states; which is bull. It is against federal law to by a handgun in a state that you do not reside in. Ex. If you live in Colorado, you can't buy a pistol in Kansas.

And you can't buy a long gun in a state in that you do not reside in if the gun in question violates laws in your home state. Ex. If you live in New York; you can't come to Kansas and buy an AR-15, even though a Kansas resident can get one in under 30 minutes.
 
2013-12-14 07:58:08 PM  

bhcompy: Krieghund: DamnYankees: I'm about as anti-second amendment as it gets, but this makes sense to me. If the ostensible purpose of a waiting period is to let the buyer cool down before making a rash decision, then it serves zero purpose if the person already has a gun.

I wouldn't say zero purpose. Someone might own a gun but not have immediate access to it, or they might own a gun that isn't particularly well suited for shooting up their workplace.

Last I recall, and it's been years, in California handguns have waiting times, but not shotguns or rifles.  Handguns aren't usually the guns of choice for rampages, rather for armed robbery and gang violence.  Concealing weapons isn't a huge concern for someone trying to kill as many people as possible before dying.


Actually, look at the stats. Most "mass shootings" (4+ dead) are handgun based, not rifle or shotgun.

Really.
 
2013-12-14 08:00:20 PM  

Somacandra: OnlyM3: 4 liberals.

Of course, By your definition, anyone who uses violence to achieve their political ends is already "left-wing."


....ummm, no.   more like the self described descriptions of each of the perps shown (with the possible exception of #4....I don't recognize him).   Sticking you're head in the sand and pretending these sick farks aren't libs doesn't exactly lead anyone to believe that your opinion is worth anything more than Rachel Maddow's used tampon.
 
2013-12-14 08:01:55 PM  
I just want to know how and where these looney toons go to pick up grenades and flashbangs and Kevlar vests and all that sort of stuff. You always hear about them carrying that stuff around and being killed before they use them. None of the incendiary stuff requires wait lists?
 
2013-12-14 08:05:18 PM  

DamnYankees: I'm about as anti-second amendment as it gets, but this makes sense to me. If the ostensible purpose of a waiting period is to let the buyer cool down before making a rash decision, then it serves zero purpose if the person already has a gun.


I feel like an idiot for never thinking of this scenario before. Of course the waiting period should only apply to the first gun. Though perhaps there should be a time limit to being grandfathered in, like if it's been ten years since you bought a gun or ammo, why do you suddenly have a reason to?
 
2013-12-14 08:07:10 PM  

DamnYankees: I'm about as anti-second amendment as it gets, but this makes sense to me. If the ostensible purpose of a waiting period is to let the buyer cool down before making a rash decision, then it serves zero purpose if the person already has a gun.


The whole 'red hot blood heat of the moment' sort of fade when you have to drive 30 minutes to the gun store, spend an hour or two getting an employee, filling out the paperwork, buying the gun, then another 30 minutes go home and clean and prep it for use, then drive to wherever to murder somebody....its stupid.
 
2013-12-14 08:07:39 PM  
Calguns?

Take me away!
 
2013-12-14 08:09:01 PM  

Suflig: I just want to know how and where these looney toons go to pick up grenades and flashbangs and Kevlar vests and all that sort of stuff. You always hear about them carrying that stuff around and being killed before they use them. None of the incendiary stuff requires wait lists?


You hear about that because the media gets shiat horribly wrong and publishes rumor as fact. Turns out the 'body armor' was just paintball pads of fashion 'tactical' vests that don't actually do anything. Remember when all the news guys were saying the Navy yard shooter had an AR-15, but it turns out it was a simple pump shotgun?
 
2013-12-14 08:09:08 PM  

Suflig: I just want to know how and where these looney toons go to pick up grenades and flashbangs and Kevlar vests and all that sort of stuff. You always hear about them carrying that stuff around and being killed before they use them. None of the incendiary stuff requires wait lists?


Actual incendiary ammo? As far as I know that varies state to state. Grenades and such are class 3 devices and require a permit for every single device. Ex. If you want 5 grenades, you need 5 class 3 permits. They run you through a background check, take blood, fingerprints, hair and they measure your wiener.

/ only kind of joking on that last one
 
2013-12-14 08:09:27 PM  

Suflig: I just want to know how and where these looney toons go to pick up grenades and flashbangs and Kevlar vests and all that sort of stuff. You always hear about them carrying that stuff around and being killed before they use them. None of the incendiary stuff requires wait lists?


I think they made grenades illegal back in the 80's.
 
2013-12-14 08:09:54 PM  

brerrabbit: I like it. fark reasonable restrictions when they intentionally interfere with the base purpose of any amendment in the bill of rights.


See you at drill, then. Bring your pack, water and food: We're going for a little stroll.
 
2013-12-14 08:12:24 PM  

sheep snorter: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. and once America has an Army, the second amendment shall be abolished.


Fark that.
See you at drill: Let's shave the DoD down a size or ten.
 
2013-12-14 08:12:55 PM  

Fark It: bongmiester: i like the 10 day waiting period for new gun owners

i think the 10 day waiting period for existing gun owners is ludicrous

i'm ok with this

People in California have to wait months before they can even be eligible to own guns, the PFEC application takes months to process.The 10-day waiting period for any gun, even the first, is purely punitive and has no measurable public safety benefit whatsoever.  You also only have permission to buy one handgun in a 30-day period.


When did that happen? As of 2011, I know they made my old BFSC card irrelevant, and I had to take the dumb test I've never missed a question on all over again. I also know that in a couple of years, I'll have to do it yet again, should I for some reason want to purchase anything else. Pointless waste of $20.00, but then I was permitted to purchase a pistol on the spot. Then had to drag my ass back to the gun store 10 days later to actually leave with my purchase. I do fervently hope that bit of bullshiat ceases.
 
2013-12-14 08:18:09 PM  

06Wahoo: DamnYankees: I'm about as anti-second amendment as it gets, but this makes sense to me. If the ostensible purpose of a waiting period is to let the buyer cool down before making a rash decision, then it serves zero purpose if the person already has a gun.

I'd go harder on your views, but right now, I'm having a harder time with what you said as a grammar nazi.  "But"?  That would suggest that your view diverges there, but from what I can tell, it is entirely consistent (if not a bit idiotic).  Why the use of "but", rather than "so" or even "and"?


For a grammar Nazi, you have some skills to work on. What (s)he said made perfect sense. Read it again. And again. And again. And again.
 
2013-12-14 08:20:44 PM  

bhcompy: Krieghund: DamnYankees: I'm about as anti-second amendment as it gets, but this makes sense to me. If the ostensible purpose of a waiting period is to let the buyer cool down before making a rash decision, then it serves zero purpose if the person already has a gun.

I wouldn't say zero purpose. Someone might own a gun but not have immediate access to it, or they might own a gun that isn't particularly well suited for shooting up their workplace.

Last I recall, and it's been years, in California handguns have waiting times, but not shotguns or rifles.  Handguns aren't usually the guns of choice for rampages, rather for armed robbery and gang violence.  Concealing weapons isn't a huge concern for someone trying to kill as many people as possible before dying.


California does the "waiting period" nonsense with long guns, too, now, and has for more than 10 years.
 
2013-12-14 08:21:28 PM  

Eponymous: Somacandra: OnlyM3: 4 liberals.

Of course, By your definition, anyone who uses violence to achieve their political ends is already "left-wing."

....ummm, no.   more like the self described descriptions of each of the perps shown (with the possible exception of #4....I don't recognize him).   Sticking you're head in the sand and pretending these sick farks aren't libs doesn't exactly lead anyone to believe that your opinion is worth anything more than Rachel Maddow's used tampon.



They are all insane as well. And we like to keep them insane because they aren't bootstrappy enough. For the most part everyone knew they were nuts, and for years as well. People knew they had guns and delusions too.
 
2013-12-14 08:21:39 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Fark It: bongmiester: i like the 10 day waiting period for new gun owners

i think the 10 day waiting period for existing gun owners is ludicrous

i'm ok with this

People in California have to wait months before they can even be eligible to own guns, the PFEC application takes months to process.The 10-day waiting period for any gun, even the first, is purely punitive and has no measurable public safety benefit whatsoever.  You also only have permission to buy one handgun in a 30-day period.

When did that happen? As of 2011, I know they made my old BFSC card irrelevant, and I had to take the dumb test I've never missed a question on all over again. I also know that in a couple of years, I'll have to do it yet again, should I for some reason want to purchase anything else. Pointless waste of $20.00, but then I was permitted to purchase a pistol on the spot. Then had to drag my ass back to the gun store 10 days later to actually leave with my purchase. I do fervently hope that bit of bullshiat ceases.


Tell assorted wackos to stop killing random schoolkids, and it'll stop PDQ. All the current CA nonsense began with that nutjob in Sacramento who shot up that schoolyard with his trusty AR-15 and it's only gotten worse with every mass shooting since; helped along by the helpful NRA preventing rational discussion of the issue.

If you want to drop the stupider rules, kick the idiots to the curb and let's have a reasonable discussion of what's ACTUALLY required and what isn't and stop this inane bickering over what the Constitution does or doesn't say. Who gives a shiat what it says; what do we NEED?
 
2013-12-14 08:21:45 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: brerrabbit: I like it. fark reasonable restrictions when they intentionally interfere with the base purpose of any amendment in the bill of rights.

See you at drill, then. Bring your pack, water and food: We're going for a little stroll.


You know; I like the concept of a volunteer citizen army, with a small hardened core of regular troops. But, then again; I like crossbows, battle axes and battleships.

There's a reason we do things the way we do things. That concept may have worked for Sparta or Athens 2,000 years ago; but, if you haven't checked; this ain't 2,000 years ago and I'm not intested in buggering 12 year olds.

/ they buggered 12 year old boys like it was going out of style back then; not that there's anything wrong with being gay, just buggering 12 year olds in general
 
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